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online on facebook and twitter. craig melvin is here right now on msnbc. >> always good to have you in new york. grett onset last night, andrea. >> thank you. >> good wednesday to you. craig melvin in new york. white house war. the new communications director taking direct aim at reince priebus as he warns the white house to stop leaking so much information. today anthony scaramucci insisting he was not threatening priebus. how long can the oval office power struggle last? holy hell to pay. lindsey graham's stern warning to president trump saying he shouldn't even consider firing attorney general jeff sessions after days of criticizing and embarrassing his own a.g., has the president made up his mind? and what happened? exactly one year after she accepted the democratic nomination for the presidency, today candid new details from hillary clinton herself about that devastating loss.
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also this afternoon, the daily white house press briefing is scheduled to kick off roughly 45 minutes from you. when it happens we'll have it for you live. one thing this white house communicates effectively -- chaos. the new white house communications director takes a page from his unpredictable boss, lashing out at the man who in most white houses would outrank him, the chief of staff, reince priebus. >> when i said we were brothers from the podium, that's because we're roughhousers. some brothers are like cain and abel. some wrothers can fight and get along. i don't know if this is reparable or not. that's up to the president. when i put reince's name in a tweet they're making the assumption it's him because journalists know who the leakers are. if reince wants to explain he's not a leaker, let him do that.
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>> for those of yous no as familiar with the good book, remember, that cain killed abel. the drama started last night when in a tweet anthony scaramucci appeared to blame priebus for leaking financial disclosure information that he would contact the fbi. however, as even the politico reporter who broke the story said today this information was publicly available. quote, mr. scaramucci's form 278e is publicly available from the export import bank. just ask. in order, there was no improper leaking. in fact, scaramucci would admit or not admit to depending on which portion of the interview you listen to. >> i understand the sausage factory and the process of the way it was leaked. i know that there was a public disclosure mechanism of my financial forms.
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>> a shining example of an strax that likes to talk loudly and provocatively about leaks but has no answers on the russia sanctions bill. kelly o'donnell, scaramucci kept dropping the president's name like the president himself was on board with his this attack on his chief of staff. what can you tell us? >> reporter: the currency that anthony scaramucci uses most off season his relationship with the president, referencing times they meet in the oval office, times they speak by telephone, even from air force one. he is reinforcing and trying to set a marker that he has a bond with the president and speaks for the president. as a communications director, speaking for the president is a part of the official role. but as you pointed out, in most white houses, the chief of staff is the big boss. that is the big boss who is in charge of everyone else, who reports to the president. wroo here the line of command is
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different. scaramucci says he reports directly to the president. this is a real challenge to authority of the chief of staff, a brawl that has gone very public. scaramucci also tells us he has a harvard law degree so the notion he was unclear about what is a felony and what is not is curious. and it is a standard thing that there are these forms that must be provided in government service. he, of course, comes from the wall street world where i think a lot of financial data is something that is closely held. he is worth roughly $85 billion according to the -- million dollars according to those reports. so one can understand he might be sensitive about his financial data going public. but it was very typical, very normal. now the other piece of this where certainly there have been stories that have been general rated about the inner workings, the palace intrigue as we call it, sometimes it's about the policies or the direction of where things will go. white houses frequently don't want those things written about, but that's standard washington practice and if there were
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warring factions inside who do leaking against one another, it has certainly been something that we've dissected over months now where we've talked about the factions, the power bases, the struggle inside, a white house without a traditional chain of command when you have to son-in-law, jared kushner, as a senior adviser, the president's daughter, ivanka trump, as an official position, and now scaramucci, they tell us today's his start date. last friday he told us it would be a few weeks. he will not be taking a federal salary. that is something that he has the flexibility to do so he becomes perhaps the fourth person in the white house when you consider the president, the kushners, ivanka trump, jared, scaramucci, i believe gary cohn may not also take a federal salary so there are several people who have this kind of economic power. and so now you're seeing a real public smackdown of someone who's been through a lot in these early months, reince priebus.
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>> kelly o'donnell, thank you. . day ma milbank is an opinion writer for "the washington post," charlie sikes is a conservative commentator and msnbc contribute or or t-- contributor. good to see both of you. "the wall street journal" took this picture in the oval office yesterday. there it is there on your screen. caption that for me if you can, dana milbank. >> well, you know, in the house of representatives, already a challenge to susan collins to a duel. this one looks to be occurring right there in the white house. the problem is i think reince has already sort of lost. he's been sort of verbally shot full of holes already. his last friend in the white house, sean spicer, has hit the road. it's got to be an awfully lonely job there to be a chief of staff in this white house without any authority and without any control over what is constant
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chaos. >> charlie, how do you feel your fellow wisconsinite is being treated here, reince priebus? >> yeah. if only he'd been warned. the white house seems to be -- getting into the white house is like being put into a sack with scorpions and poisonous snakes. they've taken the crazy and turned the dial up to 11. but dana's absolutely right. at some point reince has to say, look, a little bit of pride left. this is management by humiliation. the president -- you know, if the president wants to get rid of him, he can do this. last nigh, think about that, you have the communications director for the president tweeting an allegation that the chief of staff may have committed a felony based on something that was the release of a public document. we have moved beyond strange, beyond bizarre. we have to come up with new words to describe all of this. >> again, it seems as if, dana, he did all that with the president's blessing.
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why does donald trump seem to like to leave top people like reince priebus and jeff sessions twisting in the wind? >> you know, craig, we often find ourselves in the position of asking why does donald trump do this? what's going on in his head that to cause him to do this? i am subscribed to the jack reed theory that we heard in that conversation we weren't supposed to hear with susan collins when he said he's crazy. so it's possible there is no logic that we're trying to uncover here. it is clear that scaramucci channels donald trump very well, that he tends to shoot from the hip, say things in public that are not necessarily well-informed or based on the fact but is not contrite in the slightest. so even if he doesn't speak precisely for trump, he certainly speaks exactly like trump. >> charlie, senator lindsey graham got a lot of attention this morning. this is what he said about this apparent attempt to get rid of
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both jeff sessions and special counsel mubob mueller. take a listen. >> this effort to basically marginalize and humiliate the attorney general is not going over well in the senate. if jeff sessions is fired, there will be holy hell to pay. any effort to go after mueller could be the beginning of the end of the trump presidency unless mueller did something wrong. >> the p beginning of the end of the trump presidency. again, that's coming from lindsey graham. what's the end game here, charlie? is. >> great to hear that from lindsey graham but we need to hear it from paul ryan and others. this is the first time i get the sense a lot of republicans and conservatives are rattled by the behavior of the president, the lack of discipline, the way he is stepping on the message, the way he throws people under the
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bus. so this has been an absolutely unpredictable presidency and we're obviously heading into a really unpredictable time was of course this question what is the red line, we don't know. we're not necessarily close to it, but i think it's interesting the way that lindsey graham escalated his rhetoric basically saying, look, if you do this, you're not only getting rid of somebody who's a member of senate club but you're obviously doing this in order to obstruct an investigation, something we should not forget, the president is openly talking about doing things to obstruct an investigation into himself, his cronies and his family, and that is extraordinary. we can't normalize that. >> dana, your new piece there in the post sums up these fights over health care and sessions and more. sku welcome to the united states of anarchy. this is what it might look like if there were no president at all -- stuff happens but nothing gets done.
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you say so it goes when a president doesn't act like one. all fury, no function. what does all of this mean, a all of what we've been watching play out over the last few days, arguably the last few months? what does it mean for the republican agenda moving forward? >> well, it's been all sound and fury and nothing has been produced. i agree with charlie, it's really good to hear lindsey graham talking this way. still not hearing the republican leaders saying at some point they have to relize that their agenda is just stillborn with this president. he's a distraction at best and seems to be torpedoing their agenda tldeliberately or otherwise. there has to be a moment at which they say he has the support of the base but we've been elected as officers of the united states and have to do something to protect it. >> gentlemen, thank you so much. more breaking news out of the white house. a mike flynn hire is now out at
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the national security council. kelly o'donnell is back with us. is what can you tell tell us about derrick harvey? >> reporter: an indication there is a power struggle within the national security council. we know h.r. mcmaster has relieved derrick harvey from his service at the white house. however, they say the administration will look for another place for him to have a role. this is notable because harvey is a retired army colonel, worked with david petraeus as a part of the surge in the iraq war strategy. comes from the defense intelligence agency and that's where that michael flynn connection comes from that you noted, craig. of course flynn was the former national security adviser who was barely in office here just a matter of days before he was forced to resign over his lack of transparency about his russia meetings or connections. and so this is a change in part of the strategy.
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now, part of the portfolio for derrick harvey, we understand, deals with iran. the president had said he would rip up the iran agreement. that has not happened. there is an expectation that iran keeping to its promises with respect to its nuclear program, that's what's going on around the country has been recertified by the trump administration and so ongoing policy with iran might be an area that was a specialty for derrick harvey. we have not been told any more details. this separation announcement does speak in ways that might be different than others, praising his work, praising his service in uniform as well as on capitol hill, and the critical indication that they want to find a place in the administration where his skills and expertise can be utilized. so this may simply be an issue of not being on the same page, different working styles, a carryover from the flynn era. it's important because the national security arm of this white house has such a huge plate and we've seen how many
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issues the president has to grapple with, and it is this national security council that forp forms the policy to help the president make critical decisions. this is a notable change for those reasons. >> kelly o'donnell with breaking news at the white house. thank you. the skinny on the skinny repeal. what exactly is in the gop's last-ditch plan to chip away at obamacare and if it passes will house republicans get behind it? i'll ask one of those republicans, congressman mark sanford, a member of the freedom caucus, will join me on the other side of the break. and what happened? hillary clinton letting down her guard to talk about her devastating loss and what she thinks was behind it. we'll have preview of her new book, what she calls a cautionary tale about a stranger than fiction election. and we are again just roughly a half hour or so away from the daily on-camera press briefing. sarah huckabee sanders will be stepping to that podium we're
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senators today tackling health care once again. the senate reconvening this morning after the republican majority's second attempt of the week to pass a bill failed last night, a vote on a new measure could come in the next hour. msnbc's garrett haake is watching all the action on capitol hill. first of all, what can we expect there this afternoon, sir?
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>> reporter: hey, craig. this afternoon we'll see a symbolic vote in which republicans try to put democrats on the record, whether or not they'd be in favor of going to a single-payer system. think of this a getting campaign ad material up front and easy before 2018. later tonight, potentially much plaiter, we'll see the vote on the skinny repeal, basically whatever the republicans can put together to get to 50 votes. that's what we've come down to here is republicans basically saying we're going to get rid of the individual mandate and whatever our membership will let us take beyond that and whatever the senate parliamentarian will let us say we can take with less than 50 votes. even republican senators don't know what they'll be voting on tonight. i asked three republican senators arguably among the more likely to vote against this plan if they even know what's in it. take a listen. do you support this so-called
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skinny repeal? do you know if you will? >> i don't know what's in it true, i truly done. >> i haven't seen it so i'll reserve comment on that before we -- a we move into the mark-up tonight. >> i'm still waiting to see. there was some discussion on the floor last evening when we broke as to what this skinny bill would look like. >> reporter: not exactly rousing support for what's in the skinny bill, but the flip side is republican who is say, look, we promise to vote on repealing obamacare. we're going to find some way to do it, and this may be the only way we can at least get to a conference committee with the house and fight it out later. i talked to senator john kennedy of louisiana, who's been pushing far vote for a long time. he explained rather colorfully why he would like to see this vote tonight pass. >> i toll my people that first chance i get i'm going to vote to repeal. and it is propoed to me to put in its place is an improvement
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over the affordable care act, even though it's not perfect, i'm going to vote for it. i'll be on it like a hobo on a ham sandwich. >> reporter: there are you go, craig. we will see a vote tonight on something and i'll be checking in with senator kennedy again later to see what he thinks about it. >> like a hobo on a ham sandwich. all right. garrett haake on capitol hill, thank you so much for that. let us now bring in south carolina republican congressman mark sanford. congressman, always good to see you. thanks for being with me, sir. >> thank you, sir. >> no deep cuts to medicaid, getting rid of the individual mandate, the. employer mandate. that seems to be reportedly the bulk of what the senate is considering here with this so-called skinny repeal. would passing that fulfill the gop promise to repeal and replace obamacare? >> no, i don't think so. i think it's a reminder of the amount of hyperbole that ha come down in this debate.
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so i think the republicans probably overstate what, quote, repeal means. democrats probably overstate what repeal means. and, you know, we'll see what comes. but, i mean, i think you're accurate in what you describe in terms of what the skinny proposal looks like. i've heard the med cool device tax in there as well. that's the only other thing i've heard in there. obviously it's not a full repeal so, i think republicans are overstating and i think democrats are overstating the degree of harm when you begin to talk about this much of a watering down of what was proposed or talked about at least in this larger debate. >> whatever comes out of the upper chamber will come back. you guys will conference. have you seen anything from the senate bill -- from the attempts to pass a bill, anything that you could support or get behind? >> i think you'd have to separate policy from politics on this one. i think the politics become difficult for a republican in the house should this come back our way to vote no but a it's at least, quote, doing something.
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and it involves some level of repeal of a portion of the affordable care act. from a policy standpoint, in some ways it makes some of the current trends that have hurt the individual marketplace worse. if you leave in place, you know, for instance, the idea of pre-existing conditions, staying on your parents' plan till the age of 26, those kinds of things but, you know, take off the individual mandate, you probably mathematically worsened the box that the affordable care act is in and insurance companies in offering availability to different states throughout this country. >> premiums one would assume would go up. >> correct. >> i want to ask you about this ongoing twitter and verbal assault by the president on hi attorney general jeff sessions. "the washington post" reporting unlike any other controversial move the president trump has ponders in hi six months a president, senate republicans are sending preemptive signals that firing the attorney general or pressuring him to resign
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would be a terrible move. what would you say to this president about hi very public comments about his attorney general? >> they're hurting him. i think i heard on your show earlier listening in the earpiece what you played back with regard to what lindsey graham said. i think lindsey's statement is accurate. there would be hell to pay, real consequences. i think sessions has more than a considerable following in the senate and more importantly with conservatives at large in this country. an the idea of cowering him, crowding him out of office i think doesn't serve the presidency well. and i think through this particular form of not just manning up and saying if i'm going to shoot you, i'm going to shoot you in the face, you ear out, it doesn't work, doesn't work well either. i think it irritates people. people are saying look, if this is a guy known for celebrating apresent technical analyst with the words "you're fired" and yet he can't man up enough to do it,
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that's a problem. i think at two different levels this palace intrigue we see playing out is problematic for the administration. >> there continues to be this sense of frenzy and disarray. today the stuff between priebus an scaramucci. is the attention to the intramural squabbles among top aides, does that affect the agenda at all, or is this just noise an you guys are still there on the hill doing the people's by? >> well, in fairness, i saw a chart the other day on the number of bills that have been passed by the house. it's actually what you've seen in a couple previous administrations. there is stuff going on in the house, but to your point, it's not what gets covered, not what's talked about, and so, you know, we're sitting here talking about this. i think there has been rather breathless level of coverage from a media standpoint on all the palace intrigue that goes on in the white house. but you guys are going to do what you're going to do. we can't control that. what we can control is, again, what has been passing on the
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house an actually springly it's been fairly productive on the house side, a lot of bills hell up on the senate side, a lot of bills haven't made their way to the president's desk. >> mark sanford, always good to see you. >> yes, sir. >> what happened? hillary clinton says that sthees letting her guard down for the first time to share her thoughts on her stunning election defeat. details from her new book an who she's blaming for her loss. also, the sessions showdown. after days of launching twitter bombs at his attorney general, talking trash in public, is the president getting ready to move on jeff sessions? i'm ryan and i quit smoking with chantix. everything i did circled around that cigarette when i started taking the chantix that urge just slowly diminished and it was a
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some of stop stories we're following this afternoon. deadly accident on an amusement ride at the ohio state fair seen here in this video. an 18-year-old man was killed, seven others hurt when the swinging ride called the fireball broke apart midflight. it sent riders tumbling two stories down. the ohio state fair plans to reopen today but all of its rides will remain closed. melania trump is heading to canada for her first solo foreign trip as first lady.
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she will be leading the u.s. delegation to this year's invictus games being held in toronto in late september. the olympic-style games are for servicemen and servicewomen who have been injured in combat. president trump will be following -- excuse me, melania trump will be following in the footsteps of former first lady michelle obama who helped kick off those same games in 2016 in orlando. and he started selling books online from his garage just over two decades ago but today amazon ceo jeff bezos is the richest person on the planet. that's according to his net worth topping some $90 billion. it was just enough to surpass microsoft co-founder bill gates, who has held that mantel since 2013. the title of hillary clinton's highly anticipated memoir about the 2016 presidential campaign was revealed today. it's called "what happened," and in it clinton promises to candidly take you inside her
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stunning loss in what's billed as her most personal narrative yet. the book is due to hit book shelves on september 12th. jonathan capehart is an opinion writer for t"the washington po " post," also an msnbc contributor. always good to have you, sir. >> hi, craig. >> what more do we know about the book? >> this isn't the former first lady, former secretary of state's first book, but this is the first book coming out after her, as she calls it, her devastating loss in the 2016 presidential race. and she's been doing events since november, particularly since the inauguration, various events where she's been asked about what happened during the campaign and she's talked about a lot of things such as it was russian interference, there was misogyny involved, and she, you know, according to the publishers, she's going to get into all of that including what she thinks about, you know, what
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people were saying about her age and her appearance and how that impacted the way she ran for president. >> how much of a tell-all do you think we should expect? >> you know, i mean, as she says, at least in what was released by the publisher, that, you know, she views going out in public as a high wire act but now is the time for her to let her guard down so, how much she's willing to do that we'll only know once we get the books in our hands and we can actually see. we all know after having followed her for more than three decades that she is an extremely cautious perp in public. those of us who have covered her for a very long time, years as first lady or for me when she became u.s. senator from new york to her time as secretary of state in public, she is very cautious, very controlled, in private she can be xwgar louse, funny, sometimes profane, but
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she has a sense of humor and warmth privately she's never allowed to reveal publicly. maybe with this book it will be the first step for everyone getting to see the real hillary clinton. >> she's been criticized a fair amount for finger-pointing instead of taking responsibility for some of her shortcomings during the campaign. do you think she owns up to her own mistakes in this book? >> look, one can only hope that she does. i believe in one interview she -- actually several interviews she's given, she's acknowledged her own mistakes. i think what people want to hear from her is specifics on those mistakes. what exactly does she take responsibility for, what mistakes does she think she wishes she could correct. for instance, spending more time in michigan, spending more time paying attention to michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, and those places that under normal circumstances, presidential circumstances, democrats wouldn't have to worry about, but as we saw in 2016 democrats
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had every reason to worry that voters would turn on the party and vote for a man who as we see day in and day out is just not up to the job of running an enterprise as important as the united states. >> we'll leave it there. jonathan capehart with "the washington post." should be a fascinating read in september. >> yeah. >> thank you, sir. sessions shakedown. the attorney general out of the country today amid those new reports that president trump is considering a recess appointment to replace him. can he do that? we'll also hear from sessions. he's scheduled to sit down for an interview tonight. his future sure to come up in just a few minutes when white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders will be holding that daily press briefing on camera. we'll have that for you live. up to a gillette shave. and at our factory in boston, 1,200 workers are starting their day building on over a hundred years of heritage,
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filings that the law does bar discrimination based on sexual ore yepation and congress has repeatedly refused to put this into the law. nonetheless, to have the government step into what is in essence a private lawsuit to take this position did come as a surprise. what the government said is, look, all but one of the federal appeals courts that have considered this have come to the same conclusion, that the civil rights law bars discrimination because of sex but the government says what that means is treating men and women differently, not discrimination based on sexual orientation, and that's the position that the government usuals in this case, which is a lawsuit over a skydiving company, a man who worked for a skydiving company on long island. he claimed he was fired because he was gay. he sued, he lost in the courts below, but now the federal appeals court is considering this question and the justice department has stepped in to express its view. it did take the lgbtq community
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new details today over the controversy created by president trump's twitter announcement yesterday which said transgender people would no longer be able to serve in the military. the chairman of the joint chiefs, general joseph dunford, in a memo to military leaders said, "there will be no modifications to the current policy until the president's direction has been received by the secretary of defense and the secretary has issued implementation guidance." nbc news pentagon correspondent hans nicholls has been following all of this. what do we know at this point, hans? >> reporter: craig, we just heard from the army chief of staff general mele and he said he first found out about this decision when the president tweeted it. he didn't know about it before hand. he said he didn't necessarily expect he would be read in on something like that, but the general kind of giving us our first voice on just how confused the pentagon is and the
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challenges that they have in implementing this policy. so you had general dunford sending out that memo, making sure and making very clear that they expect everyone including transgender members of the military, to be treated with respect. we had a mem know from the chief navy admiral in carnal of navy personnel saying medical practice will continue, no changes in medical treatment for any transgender individuals. overall, the feeling at the pentagon, they're trying to divine the president's intent, what he meant from those tweets and have not received as of a couple hours ago any further guidance from the white house on just when they want this policy implemented, how they want it implemented, and what the overall implications of it are going to be. craig? >> hans nichols updating us on that ongoing controversy. ha hans, thank you. after a week of blistering public attacks, attorney general
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jeff sessions is heading to el salvador today to talk about ways to stomp out the brutal street gang ms-13. with his future still in doubt, republican senators continue to rally around their former colleague. i'm joined by eliza collins, politics report we are "usa today." and charlie savage, pulitzer wise prize-winning washington correspondent for "the new york times." he is also an msnbc contributor. charlie, you wrote about president trump's options concerning the attorney general today. walk us through how the president could get rid of jeff sessions if he does not decide to quit. >> absolutely. so the premise for even understanding why this is an issue is that jeff sessions stands in the way of a trump loyalist who could take control of the russia investigation and either curtail it or possibly even fire a special counsel bob mueller, who currently is under the control and oversight of the deputy attorney general because jeff sessions recused himself from the russia campaign interference matter.
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and so if trump could put someone new in as an attorney general who is not recused he could take over control of that investigation and bring it to a close, essentially. that means jeff sessions is kind of collateral damage potentially in the white house's attempt to push back against this investigation. if sessions does not permit himself to be bullied into voluntarily resigning, the president can fire him at will whenever he wants to. but the real question is how does he get someone into jeff sessions' place because under a normal circumstances, the deputy attorney general, the one already overseeing that investigation, would become the acting attorney general and that wouldn't accomplish the president's ends. so he could appoint someone under the federal kra vai can sis reform act. that would have to be someone who's already received senate confirmation to whatever government position they're in right now or a very senior justice department official who's been on the job for at least three months.
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may not be a huge list of people who would be panting and eager to fire bob mueller. based on their backgrounds. the more interesting sopgs a recess appointment. a recess wh session is out of session for a few days, he fills va ka sis. and we're on the cusp of a very long senate vacation. that sets up the question of if the senate does go into recess, will president trump oust jeff sessions and put in another attorney general for this purpose. or will they try to stop him by saying in session. >> exactly right. >> sitting down with tucker
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carlson. what do you expect that we'll hear from a few sessions? >> just kind of moving forward, doing what president promised on the campaign trail. conservative members, he was like a reliable conservative, yes. but there will be backlash if he is fired, so i think you can see sessions saying we're being tough on sanctuary cities and we hear the hustle and the bustle of the hill behind you. they will be volting on the so
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called "skinny repeal" as one of the last voeks that would include parts of obama care. what are you hearing on the hill, elisa, does it have the support to pass? >> not right now. you mentioned some things that could be -- those are likely things, individual mandate, medical device, they will all likely have enough support to pass, but the idea that what ends up passing from the senate is not a final bill. then it has to go and be reconciled with the house where there are on -- conservatives, they want a bigger bill, and the house passed a bigger bill. i think you will see some senate herbe ers now expressing concerns about what will happen when it goes to conference. john mccain said he wants to know what will happen after it passes the senate, it's moving
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the ball down the field a little bit, but not all of the way. >> while we had this conversation, the boy scouts put out a statement, this just in, one of the top officials for the national organization responding to the fury of president trump's visit this month. they were critical of the president injecting politics in what was traditionally an a political event. they were writing "we sincerely regret that politics were inserted into the scouting program." were you purr prized at all to hear from the boy scouts on that. >> my have sons that are in boy scouts and a cub scout right now. just in my private life, they were all aghast that that
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happened. republican or democratic, just seemed not fitting with an organization of that nature to politicize it and turn it into a campaign rally and also to sort of enlist young boys, teenagers who maybe don't know what they're cheering for, to become politicized like that. i think the organization felt a need to respond to those sorts of concerns. >> let's talk quickly about jeff sessions, do you get the sense there that they think the attorney general will survive this or do they think his days are numbers? >> i think they think this is the moment trump could lose republicans.
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every day public humiliation eventually, he may not want to work for them any more. he is not going to have the president just nominate some of them there. the senate does not like to give up their power. >> we'll leave it there, big fla thanks to both of you this afternoon. >> we're waiting for sarah huckabee sanders to make her way to the podium for the daily white house press briefing. we just got word is it being pushed back. set to be starting at 2:00. make sure you keep up with me on social media as well. from time to time, i have been known to post on instagram. rheumatoid arthritis like me, and you're talking to your rheumatologist
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coming up on msnbc live, kristine jansing. >> i'm actually kris jansing in for katie turr. a few things to talk about and we'll have it for you as soon as it happens. coming up, the new communications director
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threatening the white house staff for leaking information. that brings us to our word of the day, leak or some of. >> it was suggested that rothat reince was the leaker. >> it reince was wants to describe how he is not a leaker, let him. >> it was an effort to intimidate white house leakers. >> but not just that threat, there are also president trump's threats against his own attorney general jeff sessions. now reporting that the president is looking at a recess


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