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but the news this evening is that trump's new chief of staff has decided scaramucci actually reports to no one. an ousting on the first work day of this kelly era trump supporters cheering a new order while critics offer a simple rebuttal. how can any staffer end the chaos, if the chaos comes from the top. language also comes from the top, so there was plenty of irony in this new white house message today that scaramucci is out because of inappropriate language. >> the president certainly felt that anthony's comments were inappropriate for a person in that position. and he didn't want to burden general kelly. general kelly has the full authority to operate within the white house. and all staff will report to him. >> kelly is cleaning up a string of personnel changes that were linked, of course, to scaramucci. sean spicer resigned in protest of scaramucci's hire. maybe he should have waited out the six days.
and scaramucci falsely accused reince priebus of mental problems. the six days on the job make for the briefest stints in the white house gig ever. and today just before his ouster, trump slipped into the kind of language he used on the "apprentice," referring to his cabinet room as a board room. >> and 2.6 -- leader, chief of staff, he's going to do a really great job. thank you very much. we'll see you in the board room. >> in the situation room is where general kelly has the most experience. discipline falls apart when they make contact with the boss. >> the thing that general kelly do is not try to change donald trump. chuck, as you know, i said you have to let trump be trump. that's what the american people voted for. anything who thinks they're going to change donald trump,
doesn't know donald trump. >> joining me now, john harwood, and at the white house, washington correspondent for new york magazine. john harward, with the core political spiritual relationship question, do people change? >> no, they don't. in fact, lewandowski, when he said to chuck, the way trump is has made him successful, the way trump is has made the white house unsuccessful so far. if general kelly can impose greater discipline, that might be a good thing for the staff below him. the problem is above him, though, with president trump. his character, the way he communicates, the way he makes decisions, his attention span, the whole range of characteristics is what general kelly has got to deal with. and there's no particular reason to think that he's going to be more successful than reince priebus, although this move
potentially is a step in the right direction today. >> olivia, i'm wondering if the mood at the white house is reflecting what john is saying, the right direction. and if you're able to put what i'm about to play in context, the length of time between quotes of people in washington and real world events that overtake them or make them look ridiculous seems to be getting shorter. take a look at anthony scaramucci on july 21. >> i think he's got some of the best political instincts in the world. perhaps in history. i love the president. the president has really good karma, okay? the world turns back to him. he's a genuinely a wonderful human being. i wouldn't be staing her if i didn't have a good relationship with the president. i love the president. >> he's not standing there anymore. go ahead. >> these quotes are aging in trump years. time is just moving very fast here. the thing is, anthony scaramucci had every reason to believe he might be answering to the president. my sources say the president
kept his news of hiring very close to him. this isn't any reason for him to think he would be answering to anybody else. i think overall this has been a very surprising day for scaramucci after he was fired reportedly at 9:30 this morning. >> olivia, anthony scaramucci learns what from all this? >> i think he learns that when it comes to trump, you cannot even believe what he tells you. this is an unpredictable white house. people are out to get each other. i don't think that it ultimately worked out for him to make so mean enemies. you have to remember, ivanka and jared were said to be defending anthony scaramucci. but a source close to the white house told me they were only defending him in the way that he acted the way they wanted him to to get rid of reince priebus. and then after he got rid of reince priebus, he was useless to them. >> that, curtis, goes to the whole office space issue where the consultants come in and
interview you about your job. it's nerve-racking, but in the end they might be the ones getting fired because their only role was to fire people. was anthony scar a mur chi only the oldest consultant in the world? >> this is day one for john kelly. it starts with a bang, right? we saw reince priebus out on friday. a week before that, sean spicer. now here we are, ten days into anthony scaramucci, now he's out. it will be interesting to see if this follows two weeks from now. this is, again, john kelly on day one. the white house is saying that, you know, all -- everything's going to funnel through general kelly. at the end of the day, the president is going to be the president. he's his own chief of staff in a way. this all remains very new. >> john harwood, you covered a lot of administrations, the saying tends to be that personnel is policy. because the president -- no president can handle everything. so the people in place make a lot of big policy decisions.
i wonder if the obvious corollary to that in the trump white house is that no personnel means sometimes a vacuum of policy. we'll put up on the screen for you, john, all of these people that have gone. scaramucci, comey, of course, had a prior tenure, 110 days only with trump. sean spicer. and reince priebus. at what point does that level of change mean that parts of the jobs aren't getting done? >> well, i think your point is an interesting question between the policies. the link to traditional republican policies, a link to paul ryan, who was trying to implement those policies in the house of representatives. donald trump doesn't really have a philosophy. he doesn't have a set of policies he's committed to. he's been all over the map on multiple things.
and john kelly is not somebody who has a political resume. so he's somebody who can bring order and discipline in theory, but he doesn't answer the question of what is this white house going to push for. are they going to push for the steve bannon nationalistagenda, push for traditional republican side on tax policy? that's a big mystery now, and some republicans are worrying they'll drift even further from the republican party. we saw over the weekend that donald trump reacted to the turmoil in the failure of last week by attacking republicans in the senate for being quitters and losers. >> right. which was bizarre. we'll talk about that because we're covering health care later in the hour with a u.s. senator. but john, you raise a point, i would push back on it hypothetically, which is to say, there are two white house jobs that are supposed to have no or fewer opinions, and that's the national security adviser who is only supposed to coordinate and
not make war decisions, and then the chief of staff who's supposed to be this honest broker. reince as you know, olivia, was seen as taking a big side, trump himself said -- by the way, this is reasonable, i think any candidate would say this -- hey, i remember when you told me to drop out of the race so i don't really see you as a hundred percent down with me and what i'm trying to do. how much did it hurt reince in that position, and is that potentially a good thing for kelly, because as you say, he's no side politically? >> i think that could be a good thing for kelly. i think that that is -- general kelly is brought in for his bearing, his toughness, his level of organization. and all of those are potential assets. they don't fill in the blanks of policy. as you suggest in many cases, the chief of staff is not supposed to do that. the challenge is you have a president that's not ruddered with an existing political philosophy, and therefore, he's
more apt to flop all over the place. >> olivia, go ahead. >> reince priebus was obviously met with skepticism by donald trump because of the way he had urged him to get out of the race after the "access hollywood" tape. but he's not somebody who viscerally understands donald trump. as like sean spicer. they were seen as people who really didn't get it. i think that's what ultimately what anthony scaramucci was supposed to do is bring in a familiarity to this white house, kind of a new york vibe, somebody that donald trump really understood, could joke around with. in the end, obviously that didn't work out. we see the problems with that when you have something like that exposed in the "new yorker" interview. sarah huckabee sanders said maybe kelly would bring discipline to the white house. while that seems true on his first day today, getting rid of anthony scaramucci, you have to wonder what happens when he inevitably does something to
upset the president. it happens where everybody here, so it will ultimately happen. >> did you say new york vibe? >> i did. do you have a problem with that? >> i have no problem with it. curtis, i don't know that the trump white house needs more new york vibes, and i say this as a very happy resident of new york, but if that means more shouting at people, you know, more jostling to get attacks to get on the subway, the other piece we haven't gotten to yet, because there's so much here, is steve bannon. the conventional interpretation of this vulgar "new yorker" interview was that anthony scaramucci was holding some serious cards from donald trump that you could mouth off to steve bannon that way and get away with it. but he didn't get away with it. >> in the reality tv show we're living in, out in los angeles, this is like "survivor" in a way. today you're looking at steve bannon, he's still there. and scaramucci is out. he said some really intense things in that "new yorker" interview about steve bannon.
and he remains. and jeff sessions is also still there in the administration even though the president has taken to twitter to talk about him. right now the administration says, hey, everyone in the administration is okay. you know, for right now. the president's happy with everyone. what will it be at the end of the weekemains t be seen. >> curtis w --re out of time. real quick, john. >> i was just going to say, of all the reasons that might have existed for getting rid of anthony scaramucci, i think we can safely assume it wasn't because donald trump was shocked and appalled by the language he used. >> right. i think the voluminous public record underscores that, meaning they're just putting out a text to explain it that we all know to be false which is an unfortunate subset to all of this. still ahead, more on the rapid rise and the sudden fall of anthony scaramucci. we'll read you some of his own writings so you can compare that to his approach to governing. also, the president's
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what exactly have we learned from the angry rise and sudden fall of anthony scaramucci? he's not a typical washington figure, but his fall does reinforce typical lessons. consider, quote, classic hubrus, or we start to make very big mistakes. or avoid compromising your more or less and integrity in exchange for status. each of those pearls of wisdom are from anthony describe a mu
chi in his book about finding fortune without losing your soul. with me now is howard fineman for the "huffington post," and stephanie miller, host of the stephanie miller show. howard, we last saw you on "the beat" during the breaking in us friday making sense of a major staffing change. and a man who saw himself as a shadow, chief of staff to the president. i wonder, number one, your thoughts and "the beat" viewers last saw you, and number two, your thoughts on that advice that anthony scaramucci went off? >> don't go to lunch, because something huge is going to happen is the lesson. that's number one. number two, i can assure you that every reporter in town is mourning over their drink tonight about the passing, so to eak, of anthony scaramucci. because we hadbeen, are, or were going to be doing business with anthony scaramucci, we
thought. that is, if he got in there as chief of staff, unlike corey lewandowski who you're showing on the screen right there, scaramucci would have been talking copiously to everybody. he talked at great length to ryan of the "new yorker," which turned out to be his excuse for being ousted today. >> i've got to cut in to tell you, just while you're speaking, we're looking at a great shot there of anthony scaramucci working the phones, in the sunglasses. we can put it back up. >> i'm sorry, for some reason -- >> you see corey in front. >> oh, i see. you need to circle him. but yeah, the thing is, i don't know how much you learned in the end about scaramucci. he's a one in a million character. you can't make him up. we're all going to miss him because he was great copy and he talked. those are the two things that all reporters in washington liked. what it shows about donald trump is that people are kleenex to
donald trump. he pulls them out of the box, he uses them and throws them away. that's what he did with scaramucci. will he do it with kelly? he needs kelly right this minute. but kelly's a four-star marine, four-star general marine. and he exerted his authority today by dramatically taking down scaramucci and tossing him out. d thrd out of the white house is everybody, including ivanka and jared and bannon and everybody's going to report through kelly. we'll know very quickly whether that's the truth. if kelly can actually get ahold of this thing, and we talked about this on friday, if kelly can get ahold of this thing, it will be number one, miraculous, and number two, probably the best thing that's happened so far to the trump administration. >> well, stephanie, speak to that, number one, howard talks about loyalty. and kleenex. and the truth is, you do want kleenex to be loyal to you, but you don't care how you treat it. and that may be the sort of the
version of loyalty we're seeing. but number two, with reince gone, and scaramucci gone, if the leaks continue, to howard's point, it would suggest that even the general cannot tame the people there. at a certain point you have to say, nobody's left on the island if we're going to abuse this analogy, and gosh, maybe ban know and kushner are the ones leaking. >> everybody keeps relating this to a reality show. i feel like we're more in the lord of the flies time. i feel like someone's going to get killed with a rock soon. honestly, would anything surprise you if he hired andrew dice clay? it's astounding the backstabbing and chaos. i love what he tweeted this morning, no chaos in the white house. >> what do you think was anthony scaramucci's biggest failure here? >> well, i love -- i don't know how many layers of rich you're ready for about trump being
offended, that he was too vulgar. which, of course, it took a while, as you said, to realize that he was offended. >> he didn't have time to get offended. >> president p-grabber was offended by the interview. he was offended by everybody's reaction to it. anybody who watched tv. seriously, is there anyone more vulgar than donald trump. he clearly loved the interview, found out he got a bad reaction and stabbed hinl in the back as he does to everybody. >> howard, what are we going to see next from people like anthony scaramucci and reince priebus? these former trump aides, many of them have remained at least publicly loyal, even after intense demonstration. >> if i can even offer another metaphor here, after kleenex and throwing people out the window, i think that they don't escape the gravitational pull of donald
trump. in other words, they'll remain in orbit around him, as lewandowski has done. they'll probably end up on tv somewhere. a lot of these people will either get a big interview on tv, a confessional interview in exchange for a contract on one outlet or another. they'll be part of the commentary universe around trump. but more seriously, there are a couple things here. first of all, we're at a stage, an odd stage in american public life where we're turning to generals for order. you have mcmaster as the national security adviser, you have mattis as the newly retired general who took over the pentagon, even though the rules beforehand would have barred that, because he had only retired a couple of years earlier, and now you have kelly as chief of staff. there have been generals in that role before. there was colin powell in that role. but the fact that it's kind of the american public life turning to generals, even some democrats
and liberals expressing relief that the generals are somehow maybe in charge, i think is a sad commentary on where we are as a government. and as a democracy. we should be careful before we glorify generals too much, because i'm afraid that's where we're heading right now. >> you raise an intriguing point, which is, that the complete total loss of faith in many other institutions, how does the congress work, how do these other officials represent, and that's clearly bipartisan. people looking for the few heroes left. they may be heroes in what they do, but whether they should have total civilian control of everything is not how we've traditionally done it. thank you. i know you'll join us later in the hour. big policy news. president trump versus president putin today, sanctions now from moscow, the defiant leader vowing to punish the u.s. later in the show, legendary comedian richard lewis, what
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nick said the white house doesn't want any votes in the senate until they're voting on health care. is it the white house position that they will accept the senate voting on nonhealth care things over the next few weeks and months? >> we're continuing to push forward, hopefully with the repeal and replacement of obamacare. we've never been shy about that. we're going to continue to do that. >> the white house pushing obamacare. with me now is senator tammy baldwin from wisconsin. a member of the health education and labor committee. senator, thanks for joining. you are still in session for the next two weeks. your response to the white house saying they need more obamacare votes? >> you know, if the new team thatonald trump assembling was smt, they would really press him to switch gears.
it is time to put aside these efforts to sabotage, to destroy, and to repeal and replace, and instead focus on where we can find some common ground. and i truly believe that there's common ground to be found if republicans work across the aisle with democrats. if you think about it, the big issues are costs. and whether that is in the form of our working together to make these csr payments that would stabilize the insurance marketplace, or work on tackling the spiking cost of prescription drugs, there's a lot of common ground out there. and that's what the president's new team should be advising him to do. >> there may be common ground somewhere, but we're hearing from the white house they're looking at ways to further undermine obamacare. do they have that power? can you stop them? >> certainly there's a lot of
damage that the president can do, and frankly, already has done. but there was a powerful moment last week, actually several powerful moments, whether it was john mccain's speech when he rejoined us on the floor and urged us to restore sensible order to the senate, or that vote when so many americans took a deep breath of relief, because they were so worried about their loved ones with preexisting conditions, or worried about people on medicaid and nursing homes, et cetera. let us use that moment to work together, rather than the president continuing to insist upon this sabotage and destruction strategy. his new team ought to be pressing him to change course.
>> so you keep mentioning the new team ought to do that. it doesn't look like they are doing that. so what does that tell you, and do you think this is a net gain or loss, the recent staffing changes? >> you know, i believe it is. his new chief of staff's first day on the job. i think there's an opportunity here to really weigh in and say, time to stop destroying, stop sabotaging people's health care and instead take a new path. i mean, trump seems to be completely obsessed with scoring a win. and maybe they can persuade him that the real win would be one for the american people if they work together. >> senator tammy baldwin, appreciate your views on health care and everything else today. >> thank you. >> now, we touched on something a little earlier. kellyanne conway saying there will be a decision this week
about whether or not to cut off the subsidies under obamacare. they keep the exchanges afloat, people saying withholding them could lead the exchanges to potentially unravel, depending on the state. with me for more is a local view, the former mayor of los angeles, and a current candidate for governor. democrat antonio deleregosa. do you think it is fair for the administration to be undermining that money because that's what they have the power to do, or do you think it's over a line? >> it's way over a line. to undermine the exchange in the way that they could, as tammy baldwin said, is unacceptable. look, everybody agrees that we can fix obamacare. let's do that. he obviously doesn't have the votes to replace or repeal. we would bump off, what, 22
million people off of health care, in california alone somewhere between 2 million and 2.5 million. let's work together on a bipartisan basis. they've just made a change with the white house communications director. they're changing the chairs on the deck of a sinking ship. they should right the ship and go more to the middle and not so far to the right. if they do that on health care, immigration, they're frankly not going to be successful because most people want to fix the immigration system. they believe in climate change. >> you're a democrat running statewide in a big blue state. in a sentence, what is the democratic message of an alternative to trump. >> the economy, the economy, the economy. we've got to get back to the notion that this economy isn't working for too many people. we've got to move people into the middle class by educating
and training them. that's my minute. >> donald trump ran on helping working people. do you think he's forgotten about them or he's going to get to them later? what do youhink of his legislative accomplishments thus far in that area? >> i think he cynically talked about appealing to working people, but then would tax them, and not tax the people who can afford it. i think the fact of the matter is, most of what he said, according to political fact, i think it was 75%, i've heard you on tv speak to that. it's a misrepresentation of fact. most of what he's proposed was snake oil to a group of people that felt demoralized, and as if the government, both parties, aren't really fighting for them. so i think my party, speaking of that, has got to talk about the economy again. it's really the basics.
people feel like too many democrats and republicans fly over the homes of people we've left behind. never been in their living room. and don't understand what they're going through every single day. >> former mayor, we'll keep an eye on your race. appreciate it. >> thank you. remember when donald trump was talking about how putin was so strong? we're seeing some of that strength being deployed against the trump administration. and as promised, richard lewis, live on "the beat," the legendary comedian here to talk comedy, and much more. even a swing set standoff. and we covered it, july first, twenty-fifteen. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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i'm not a friend of putin. i've never met putin. i respect putin. he's a strong leader, i can tell you that, unlike what we have. we have a pathetic leader. pathetic. >> donald trump praising the putative strength of vladimir putin on the campaign trail last year. now that strength is being used against, who, donald trump. putin cut the embassy staff in moscow by 755 people and discussing other possible measures that could be used to counterbalance these anti-russia sanctions that congress just passed. the white house said the president will sign the sanctions bill. he has not weighed in on the latest moves. steve clemmons is the perfect guest to help us understand. first of all, what are the other possible measures putin could use? >> big range, what they've already done is harassed our
diplomats. they're expelling them but actually abused diplomats. they can create all sorts of visa issues. the biggest thing putin can do is mess with our allies. he's threatened allies over energy and gas exports from russia. he basically harassed our planes flying over the baltics. harassed soldiers. he was bombing our allies in syria the first day that the russians took military action inside syria. i was with john mccain that day. he was bombing the people that we were arming and supporting inside syria. there are all sorts of pressure points that vladimir putin can hit and push to frustrate and antagonize the united states. >> we're here at the end of a work day in washington. the sanction responses have been issued. how unusual is it that the united states has nothing to say about them? >> it's unbelievable. and it's unconscionable, really. what you've done is to a certain degree vladimir putin's actions of saying we're going to reduce
the force by 755 of our diplomating and technical people there, it's returning clarity to a relationship that's troubled and complicated. that's probably where it should be. the fact is, you know, michael flynn told the russians, don't worry, we're going to take care of these sanctions issues and get out. they thought they were on a honeymoon with donald trump. it's not a honeymoon with donald trump or the u.s. government. >> cut right to the heart of it. we can't draw that direct line, but we sure could put those two dots really close together. sally yates testified under loath there was conduct that might be illegal. >> illegal or not, whatever it was, they thought they were going to have a period where the -- whether it was the crimea related sanctions, that they were going to be moving into what russia most wanted. it's respect. we have a u.s.-china relationship, a strategic and economic dialogue, a dance we do, a lot of formality -- and
they've been wanting that, and barack obama didn't give them to them. >> trump tells russia, i've got comey out of the way, that's going to help. >> right. and you can't deal with congress that way. congress has been suspicious as everyone else has been about the russia hugging the donald trump has been doing. it hasn't made sense on any level. congress is saying, we don't quite trust you, mr. president, on this issue. and that's -- >> steve clemmons, as always, thank you for bringing clarity to the table. with priebus out, is president trump on a collision course with actually the entire republican party, and as promised the first confessional comedianichard lewis in th house. stay with us. in the middle of the night. hold on dad... liberty did what? yeah, liberty mutual 24-hour roadside assistance helped him to fix his flat so he could get home safely. my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. don't worry - i know what a lug wrench is, dad. is this a lug wrench?
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himself in "curb your enthusiasm." >> the plan is a plan, a confirmation is a guarantee you're going to show up. >> sunday, same time, same place. >> i'll need a confirmation. >> you're not getting a confirmation! this is a confirmation right now! >> this is like a plan. >> you've got the plan, you've got the confirmation, a subcommittee, i have to go through all the levels. >> i'm not the kremlin. i have to be assured that if i take a shower and get my clothes on -- >> i'm assuring you right now, there's no confirmation. >> fine. >> show up. >> incredible. >> a genius, but a mental case. >> incredible. the show, like richard, is unscripted. >> you don't have to read from that crap. >> ad libbed. i've got one more to show you. unscripted moments, great for comedy, not as great for real-life governing. >> i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me.
we've signed more bills, and i'm talking about through the legislature, than any president ever. i guess it was the biggest electoral college win since ronald reagan. a scout is trustworthy, loyal, we could use some more loyalty, i can tell you. if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, seriously. >> shut up. >> i was in the jewish scouts, and i had all women walk me across the street. and i had to quit. >> are you -- are you going to do the sunglasses -- >> there was some new tweets. so i don't know what to talk about. you know what, here's -- i've got to tell you right now. i'll take all these. i didn't want anyone from the administration to recognize me. they might fire me. morons. you're not morons. this is what i want to tell you, seriously. >> tell me. >> know what bothers me?
i need an answer from you. you're brilliant. congrats on the show. >> thank you. >> it would have been jack karowak's best show. >> what's his twitter ndle? >> i'm dead. that's his twitter handle. listen, this -- i can't take this base business anymore. he'll do anything, he'll tweet north korea -- i'll find the code. i think it's in melania's purse. he doesn't know anything. he's way out of his -- he should just be -- it's a mistake that this happened. >> you think it's a mistake? >> mistake? he's alienating the world, he's alienating the country. let me get back to the base. i've got to ask you this question. let's say 38% of the people that no matter what he says, no matter how rude, no matter how crude, i am convinced that half
the percentage of that 38% who they say is his base and he's just playing to them, are decent americans. it doesn't matter the religion or pro-choice or not pro-choice, they're just good people. but they were riddled with fear. they didn't have enough food. they were sick of congress. you know how low the ratings were. and i just pray to god that they can see what this guy is doing to the presidency. forget him. the presidency, and to what he's doing to all our people all over the world. >> it's interesting -- >> they never talk about the decent part of the 38%. >> you're saying a lot of trump supporters are decent people. >> of course theyare. >> you're also saying, though, that you think he conned them, that he played a character. >> he's not even giving them what he promised. they still don't have food. they're still going to lose their health insurance. they're still not going to -- it's a bit con.
everything's been listed. like jackie mason, why should i do this, he did this, he promised this, fired him, the whole thing is a joke. a big comic book. i just feel badly for the -- i can't stand this base business. like he could do anything he wants as long as he has his 38%. well, they have to vote. this is america. as lou reed said, the statute of bigotry, that's what he's turning this country into. this is not our country. >> let me ask you this. on curb, larry and you are not the most likable characters. >> never have been. >> how much does it matter whether a character is likable? because donald trump has a lot of detractors, but seems to also have a lot of followers and viewers. >> first of all, larry david has a persona, okay? he might get someone upset at a bagel -- at a deli.
this is not real salmon. that's a little different than, you know, meeting, you know, going overseas and meeting 20 leaders of countries, and, you know, and bnging a circus act with him. him. this is an organ grinder and i'm wringing him on "the voice." he is ruining our reputation. this is america. he is just one guy. he is the president app and again, forget the base, i made my point clear. and i think the key to all of this is voting. more hispanics, more blacks -- >> richard, let me ask you -- >> we have to vote these kind of people out of office. >> are you saying the key to electoral politics is voting? >> totally voting. >> you're taking a bold position snpz w . >> why is that so bold? >> i'm kidding you. >> how dare you mock me in front of a relative who just passed
way. i met your brother. if he continues to ask you -- and you sent me a driver? i loved the guy. i couldn't understand what he was saying. he had no idea where universal was saying. then pulled a globe out on the sheet -- that's italy you moron. >> larry david and bernie sanders are actually are apparently distant relatives. sanders, quote, a third cousin or something. does that surprise you? >> no. i can't tell you i had dinner with larry last night, and i said, i just saw this thing, what the hell is thi he said, i can't tell you. he wouldn't tell me. >> what do you mean he wouldn't tell you? >> he said you have to watch the show. >> i said is this national geographic dna? he wouldn't tell me. >> anything to plug before we
go? >> no. curb starts in october. and i start my tracks and fears tour in october through january in all the big cities. >> you're a very funny man. an original. you honor us -- >> i'm very proud of you. you're a great, great edition to msnbc. congratulations. >> thank you. >> and tell your brother, if he continues to get to me about going to a deli, i'll snap. >> my brother wanted to come today. >> it was nice. why all these selfies and autographs and then i had to sign a thing for one of his charities. i couldn't take it. >> i think some of this may be untrue. i'm not sure. >> it is mostly untrue. >> richard lewis, thank you. president trump and the republican party still complicated. but what comes next? stay with us. this is a story about mail and packages.
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they've been promising it ever since obamacare, which failed. >> this really is the group. what a great group of people. and you're not even doing it for the party. they're doing it for this country. because we suffered with obamacare. >> you notice the one thing each of the quotes had in common. every time republicans were they, not we. different than most republican presidents in how they describe their arguably fellow republicans. now think about that with the backdrop of all of this news today. priebus out. that's one of the last links to the republican establishment. john kelly in. highly respected, as we've covered. but not the card-carrying republican any of us know about. back with me, stephanie miller from the radio talk show, the stephanie miller show. is this all a reminder that donald trump was not a republican for most of his life? >> yeah, absolutely. i think with donald trump you
have somebody, a president, who has more of a personality that is the party of trump more than a republican party or the democrats that he peeled off to help him win this election. i would remind your viewers that what donald trump did is pack his cabinet full of republicans. he has been literally on every side of every issue, which is his hallmark. he has people running his government and the federal government and the true blue -- i shouldn't say true blue, but is in the world of republicans. >> in the agencies with or without the show in the white house, stephanie, donald trump has been on this problem for a while. and again, because the republican party brand was not very populuring key periods en he was running but also distanced himself all the time. take a look.
>> why are you joining the reform party? >> for one thing, i believe the republicans are just too crazy right. what's going on is just nuts. >> i would like people that are making hundreds of millions of dollars year pay some tax. right now they are paying very little tax. it is outrageous. i want to lower taxes for the middle class. >> everybody has to be covered. this is an unrepublican thing for me to say. i will take care of everybody. and everybody will be taken care of much bet are thter than they being taken care of now. >> it is his timing to the natural state which is an unrepublican state. >> that was several personalities ago. i might have vote ford that guy, ari. but i don't think he believes anything. i honestly don't. i think he blifs elieves in don trump. and the deal last week, that was spectacular. >> annie, does that ever matter on the hill? or is there still, as you say,
enough of the cult to get him over the line? >> i mean, sure. i think it does matter on the hill. you are seeing the first major piece of legislation to come out of this congress and with russia, the president opposed and looking for like co-equal branch of government. and really it was stunning to see that happen. the other thing i would add, ari, is that you know, i was out in ohio recently, and republicans who believe him and trust him more than the republican party so he's bringing republicans with him to this cult of donald trump. and this cult of the personality that he has been able to wrap so many policy into. >> well, as they say, annie and stephanie, after the party is the trump party ander that is the after party. famous, mousing in politics. and i leave you on that note.
i won't force to you respond to that one. that does do it for me. see you all back here tomorrow night if you tune in. i hope you will. 6:00 p.m. eastern. also, check us out on face back or twitter at the beat with ari. and you can get me at regular old e-mail. i do read them. "hardball with chris matthews" starts now. >> mooch, vamoose. let's play hard ball. good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. faced with a full scale investigation, over collusion with russia during the 20 sf election president trump has engaged in russian style purgees. fill paul manafort, the campaign manager, axed. then chris christie, transition chief, axed.