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see you all back here tomorrow night if you tune in. i hope you will. 6:00 p.m. eastern. also, check us out on face back or twitter at the beat with ari. and you can get me at regular old e-mail. i do read them. "hardball with chris matthews" starts now. >> mooch, vamoose. let's play hard ball. good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. faced with a full scale investigation, over collusion with russia during the 20 sf election president trump has engaged in russian style purgees. fill paul manafort, the campaign manager, axed. then chris christie, transition chief, axed. then came sally yates, acting attorney general who refused to enforce the president's travel ban, axed.
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then came james comey, fbi director, axed. then came sean spicer first white house spokesman, axed. then came reince priebus, presidential chief of staff, axed. then came anthony scaramucci, axed. with the regularity of the nightly news president trump is throwing bodies out of the white house at a rate that matches the russian revolution. who he doesn't axe he threatens. threatens republican senators who voted against him like dean howard of nevada. criticized nom of arizona who he said is not a hero despite spending seven years as tortured prisoner after being shot down over hanoi. mccain gave him a screw you over that one by voting no on the obamacare repeal. wonder if he is giving alaska back it russto russia because o murkowski. one after another, never accepting responsibility for himself, the latest casualties of course, scaramucci.
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scaramucci's brief but spectacular flameout is historic, serving less than anyone else in that role ever. ten days ago at the announcement of his hire, scaramucci said he would have a direct line of communication to the president. >> your relationship with the chief of staff, is he your boss or do you report directly to the president? >> i have no problem working for reince. the president said i report to him directly. >> directly. not any more. last week scaramucci threatened to fire everybody in order to cut out leaks in the white house. he got fired. he implied reince priebus is one of those leakers. let's watch that. >> what the president and i would like to tell everybody is who is the leaker and who are the leakers in the white house and with the expression the fish stinks from the head down. i can tell you two fish that don't stink, okay. that's me and the president. when i put out a tweet and put reince's name in the tweet they
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all make the assumption that it's him because journalists know who the leakers are. if reince wants to explain not a leaker, let him do that. >> last thursday afternoon, actually "new yorker" magazine published a highly vulgar interview with scaramucci where he called priebus a paranoid schizophrenic among other things. the president made the decision to remove scaramucci of that interview. the president wanted to give general john kelly a clean start without scaramucci. let's watch. >> look, the president certainly felt that anthony's comments were inappropriate for a person in that position. and he didn't want to burden general kelly also with that line of succession, as i think we've made clear a few times over the course of the last couple of days to several of these individually. but general kelly has the full authority to operate within the white house. and all staff will report to
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him. >> katy tur, ken vogel and ken rucker. this purging, one person after another, anyone offending this guy is gone. and it doesn't look like it is going to stop. >> i don't think so much that scaramucci offend he the president, he offended kelly. kelly came in with the full authority of the property to bring in changes and put order in the west wing which has been chaotic for the last six months. he wanted scaramucci out, sew is gone. >> if you want to be sophisticated about this, the backdrop isn't just chaos. i think he is afraid. i think trump, i think he was nailed this week and he is weak and afraid. what he is afraid of is of course the russia investigation. afraid of bob mueller ultimately. and trying to shape up his team so he can face them down. sometime between now and when he fired the guy or gets him fired. what do you think? katy? >> listen, i think that whether donald trump decides to fire
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robert mueller is something that remains to be seen. certainly a possibility. you can't discount it when it comes to donald trump. he has the temperament of somebody who will get rid of somebody when he feels like. it is necessary. we have seen that as you perfectly laid out with your introduction, chris. but the question now is who will be comms director and who will run dhs. which secretary kelly now no longer runs since he is the chief of staff. and do they move somebody from the department of justice over there? that's a rumor floating around right now. one that no one can confirm at the moment. but if he decided to push out attorney general jeff sessions, at some point, what does that mean? does that mean that person who would replace him doesn't have to recuse himself from the investigation? and does that mean that robert mueller would not be necessary? is that what's going on through donald trump's head right now? that's just very unclear. but right now, i think the safest thing to say is nobody is safe in the trump white house.
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maybe john kelly for the moment but you just don't know. >> let me go to ken vogel. you're a new york timeser now. congratulations. another scoop again. huge scoop. getting scaramucci out of the news early this afternoon. i notice in life, my own experiences, when you're scared one get mad. nobody likes to be scared by anybody. when you get scared of anybody you turn against them because it bugs you to be scared. true of men and women as well. i think trump is weak and squared. i think all of this going around purging people. just like kim jong-un, knocking off relatives. we don't do that in this country. we fire them. it isn't that he doesn't like chaos, he doesn't like being threatened by investigation which he can't seem to stop and that hasn't stopped because of this weekend's craziness. he goes on and on while we're sitting here, some of the best
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lawyers in the country are looking for dirt on donald trump in every direction. he knows it. he is scared. that's what i think. good ahead. >> yeah. he is very much fixated on the russia investigation. no doubt about that. can you look at his twitter time line. you can look at what is going on in the white house with the constant meetings of his own legal team and legal teams for other staffers who are very much caught up in this russia investigation. that said, i do think this is per the lead-up, the intrath th you just played. he pits fashions against each other. he is drawn to people who are likely to clash. >> he is running out of factions, ken. . look at the number of people. manafort was his campaign chief. chris christie was chief head of his transition. he goes after the top people. chief of staff. word chief seems to be, you're fired next. >> yeah, i think what's happening here, is that reince
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priebus, there was an rnc faction and trump had grown dissatisfied with it through the course of the sort of feuding with other factions including steve bannon, including the new york fashion, which includes jared kushner, ivanka trump, collin, dina powell. what scaramucci had to use, i've heard this term use, a little insensitive. but like a political suicide bomber. went out and blew up the rnc and blew himself up in the process. >> you were great today, again. you duked it out. you didn't want to duke it. you played defense with trump. i watched every night. you are here talking about it. let's talk about trump. it seem to me he is getting rid of factions. there is no more rnc republican institutionalist et in the white house. that is gone. the republican party they will talk about tomorrow night.
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i think that's gone. i think he only has to use the republican party to get where he is but he is not really a republican. >> the connection that he had to the republican party was tenuous at best. many of the positions he has taken over the course of his campaign and now his administration are not republican policies. he certainly hasn't gone for republican policies when it comes to health care. he turned back and forth when he has needed to in order to try to get something done. but he had his biggest link between himself and the white house and congress was reince priebus. was this rnc faction that you just laid out. with them gone, what happens? does donald trump go to the democrats? very unlikely. what he will do is create his own path. his own version of policy and administrative decisions. but what john kelly, the question is, is he going to be able to get anything done legislatively? is he going to be able to manage donald trump, get him on message, get him away from his twitter. get him to stop attacking other
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republicans or attacking other members of congress or private citizens or whatever it is, enough for them to actually get something done with their agenda. he raily cares about tax reform. donald trump says it over and over again. is he going to be able to get in line enough to figure out a way to get republicans on board with some version of tax reform. and is this going to be more complicated? we all saw how that turned out. >> rucker had drinks with me. he wraps his cigarette up with ba band-aids and marks it harder to open up the pack. donald trump says i don't like faction, no, he doesn't. your twitter finger, as someone said today, he loves national fighting. then brings in someone to stop
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that. he likes both. >> i don't know what the president -- as katy said, look, general kelly got this job friday. woke up to an angry tweet bomb by donald trump. saying senate leader mitch con al one need to change the rules. >> he had the rules -- >> exactly. it won't change. i think what will change is more order and process and structure within the staff and at the white house to try to get things running a little more smooth. >> ken, what do you think is different under this new guy? trump is still president. still scared to death of mueller. scared to the point of a little bit crazy. >> to what phil said, there will be an effort to instill more order and discipline. whether or not it is successful, i think the track record showes it is all donald trump. if he want to have people coming in and out of the oval office, which is one of the things that kelly identified as problematic and leading to this chaos and lack of order, and one of the things he identified to change,
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if donald trump wants that, those people coming in, he's going to do it. if he want to tweet, he's going to do it. john kelly, very different approach from anything we have seen thus far. from what we have seen, he doesn't have the let trump be trump mantra from early in the campaign. trump being trump is not a military regiment approach that we think john kelly seeks time port here. >> he doesn't have a regimented approach certainly not but it is differential when it comes to generals. that's why you have seen himself surround himself with different attorney generals within this administration. that being said, getting a 71-year-old man to stop doing what he does everyday will be a task even for the most disciplined of generals. to see donald trump not tweet, you might go foreign a little while where he gets off the phone or only tweets things on message with the white house. but every time we have seen this happen and it happened a few
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times he reverted back when he felt like he is under siege. wait for another story about russia to drop. wait for a negative story about jared kushner or don junior or more information that is not flattering about this president and el pick up his phone. >> it is 10:00 at night upstairs at the white house. there's no general kelly around. the roam hoffs at are dinner. you have jared there, the favorite son-in-law. the favorite daughter. don junior may be stopping by. they are all sitting around talking about what kind of job general kelly is doing. do you think they won't be able to overrule him and say, he doesn't know politics like we do. >> that's a good question. look what ivanka tweeted today? i'm excited to work alongside general kelly. not working underneath him. not reporting to him. like most of the staff is supposed to do. the staff is supposed to report to chief of staff.
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that being said, there is some feelinging that maybe they will go through him. maybe if they do have conversations with their father when it comes to policy, wherever those conversations may happen, that they will hopefully inform general kelly about this. at later date. or at least get him in on the conversation. but ultimately how do you run a white house when the top advisers, two top advisers are two family members? >> so you get up in the morning, get up at 6:30 in the morning, you're a general. you hear the bugle call. it is too late, katy. already too late. he read the "new york times." ken. read the "new york times." already tweet bed it. had conversation with his family. here you come in third, generally kelly, to find out what is going on. an interesting job description being general to this guy who has never been in the military. thank you katy tur. thank you ken. thank you paul. very competitive rival washington post. coming up, john kelly afirst
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day as chief of staff. and ousting scaramucci. kelly stopped the chaos that engulfed the white house. will he save president trump? what do you think? as trump pans his party for refailing to save the aca. we will see how that going tonight. and reality bites. list of american organizations pushing back against the president is growing. the boy scouts, apologizing themselves for his inappropriate speech. the military rejecting his transgender ban and now the president's call to, this is disgra disgraceful, rough up. this is hard ball, where the action is. stay with me, mr. parker. when a critical patient is far from the hospital, the hospital must come to the patient. stay with me, mr. parker. the at&t network is helping first responders
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overall, i think we're doing incredibly well. incredibly well. and many other things. so we are starting from a really good base. i predict that general kelly will go down in terms of the position of chief of staff, one of the great ever. >> welcome back. that was president trump. of course, today, expressing high hopes for his incoming
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chief of staff general john kelly after he was sworn in this morning. the looming question is whether kelly, retired four star general, who served over 40 years in his military career and still an otherwise chaotic and sometimes weird white house. as noted in the "new york times," challenges at quote, at 71 president trump seems unlikely to discard a lifetime of operating habits and learn to stick to a plan and temper self destructing instincts. you have to stop the end wars to date. and twitter saying quote there is no white house chaos. believe that if you will. sarah sucker sanders will determine who gets access to the president. >> when it comes to the people who have access to the president, will that conduit be narrowed down now? will everything flow through kelly or will some things flow through the chief of staff? >> the president has given full authority to general kelly and he will make those
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determinations. >> the office of anthony scaramucci today is the first sign the president intends to give kelly that authority. and right now, two experts. matt schlapp, and eugene robins. the inside guy, first. you. you know i talked to someone from our country's history who said i will take the job of chief of staff if they get the two kids out of there. his son-in-law, daughter, his son, he trust them more than any hireling. despite that, the general, general kelly, apparently wooed for this job since may. which tells me he has leverage. he said if you really want me, i will serve and this new job if i get to have the job. like jim baker td with reagan. i get to fire. i get to hire. you get that?
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>> kind of. >> he's the boss. >> jim baker, remember, was one of three. he was chief of staff. but he had to deal with the long time friend -- >> but no one was frepd -- they were afraid of baker. >> the reason he was successful is that man was damn competent. he did a good job. he earned the president's trust. if you say, i've got the title therefore i've got the goods and he was taken for for a test drive -- >> you have to come to work very early to be president's chief of staff because you have done the most damage by 6:30 in the morning. physical copy he goes war. impulsively. and it is done. the day's news is over. cheap trigger finger. >> what does he with that phone may undo what you spent the last week trying to build up to. >> transgender people, good-bye, by sun up. >> it appears today as if he is giving general kelly the kind of authority maybe that he would
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need. but i'm looking at my watch. to see how long it lasteds. i believe donald trump, 70, 71 years old, used to working this way his entire adult life -- i hope he succeeds -- >> thank you, you're an honest man. >> no. >> there are more firings to come. this purging will good on. >> there was an big rnc faction that reince priebus brought in. my guess is over time general kelly over a quick period of time will see if they should be on the team or not. the fact is, i think it is wrong -- i think what you are saying is actually wrong. i think the president looked at last six months and realized they can do better. despite when a says about press conference answers everything else he has higher expectations for his team. >> did you see the hit list i started the show with? >> yes. >> that's a lot of firings.
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>> is. >> and jeff session says move offered to homeland security -- >> or he goats buiets to build . he may like that. >> so you realize this president is unstoppable when it comes to stopping the investigation. >> no, no, i'll go fast. i think there were a lot of people brought into the white house and the white house was set up in a way where it could not work functionally and i think it is good -- >> who brought sessions? ? >> i think the cabinet is great. >> no, he should stay there? the president shouldn't fire him? >> i hope they work this out and he can stay in dj. >> in six months we've been in multiple situations, where a situation is approaching and the president says he is going do something and everybody tells him it is a bad idea and he does it anyway. firing comey. he does it anyway. you really think --
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>> okay. everybody has a theory about what happened to the mooch. why he is vamoosed. gene, you start now. the latest story is the women around the president. descent folk. melania, his daughter. saying this guy's language is so vulgar. it was almost unprintable. we all know this. the news fit to print was different last week in the new york times. this is grossing you out. your place in history daddy will be destroyed and tainted by this gross-out guy, scaramucci. that's why you get rid of him. do you remember that? >> that may be a factor. here is another factor. something i think is important. right after scaramucci came in, the breitbart story, well, trump story is over, now it is the scaramucci show. i don't think the president liked that. >> and maybe the opposite of what you all are saying which is
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general kelly came in and he add conversation with scaramucci and basically scaramucci wasn't a one-man band. >> and question, i think that trump decided that as long as bob muler is there, biggest story, scaramucci will be forgotten in a week. mueller has proven already like great special prosecutors, and i don't mean this against trump. i think he is smart to be scared. he is not paranoid. they are coming for him. prosecutors have liunlimited scope. from paula jones to what is her name in the white house -- >> lewinski. >> lewinski. this guy could go here from tax returns to the business dealings with russia, possible money-laundering. everything with the trump enterprise. and trump doesn't want a guy doing that. because that guy could be working harder than he is with better people. and he has to stop this thing. this is an existential threat.
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>> you agree? >> i don't know if he has to stop. >> you think this is a threat? >> anything on the president is a threat. >> history shows they dot job. >> i agree with you. i'm on record saying i think he will try to fire mueller. we will see what happens. >> i'm on with you with that. i don't see how he stops. thank you. phrase overused by the way. >> sounds like john mclaughlin. >> yeah. a threat to his existence as president. >> cut him loose. >> he said be nice. thank you, mike. an honest man as often as he can be. thank you, eugene. he will slash their benefits if they can't send them a health care bill. but can republicans and democrats pass legislation? we'll see. this is "hardball" where the action is. it only takes a second for an everyday item
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back to hardball. insurance companies following his latest failure to repeal obamacare. this morning president trump wrote, if obamacare is hurting people, and it is, why shouldn't it hurt the insurance companies and pay what the public pays? this a series of tweets on saturday with the president saying if a new health care bill isn't approved quickly, bailouts for insurance companies and congress would end very soon. unless the republican senators are total quitters repeal ren
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replace is not dead. demand and vote on another bill. excuse me. there is a group called the problem solvers caucus released a plan. they say outlines five realistic solutions to help fix the affordable care act. they hope the house will reconsider or consider the reforms after it returns from august recess. that's in about three weeks. pennsylvania republican charlie den is a member of the caucus. he joins me now. congressman, i have a lot of respect for you and your attempt to figure out something. how do you do anything with john mccain saying i'm not voting for anything trump is pushing. i'm not going to do it. it was a screw-you, thumbs down kind of day, at 1:00 a.m., actually. and paul ryan saying i want to repeal, not fix. >> chris, here is the answer. we are trying to reshape the health care reform debate in this country. 43 of us republicans and democrats alike have a plan to stabilize the individual
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insurance market. there are things in here that republicans like. things in here that democrats like. basically is five thing. we're going to make sure the cost sharing reduction payments are brought under the appropriations process and that they are made so that people who are -- people who need insurance can afford it with the subsidies. we also provide for stabilization fund. we reform employer mandates so if t is effective to repeal for small businesses in this country. repeal the medical device tax and allow for state innovation on the exchanges. that's the plan. >> why a plan that exempts people that hired us and 500 people. they don't have 500 employees, local restaurants and independent book stores. all of those places are out of insurance? they don't have health care? why would a democrat go for that? >> well, the law currently says that people under -- that an
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employer with over 50 employees you must employ insurance. this is a hardship on small employers. but people can still get insurance on exchanges. they can go into the exchanges and get coverage if necessary. for small businesses, i tell you, it is growth with companies with fewer than 50 employees. they say they aren't hiring and won't break the 50 plethreshold. which many democrats acknowledges is hardship. >> are you going to get a vote on this? >> right now we have to sell this so the leadership. i believe leadership should jump at this. >> that's a big different. you want to fix it, they want to get rid of it. >> you're relaxing. playing with words.
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not partial. they want it get rid of it. i've said all along that we've joef used that term repeal replace. after the 2012 election dynamics changed because president obama was in for four more years. so we today refine our -- we today refine our approach. >> your party wants it repeal, you want to fix. that's a big difference. maybe form a new political party for the suburbs but we don't have one right now. but thank you. keep working at it. i'm not sarcastic and i'm not cynical. i would like to see a group like yours be in charge. thank you. up next, in the past week president trump has been publicly rebuked by the boy scouts, military. are american institutions becoming part of the resistance? he pushed too far. you're watching "hardball." showing off my arms? that's cool. being comfortable without a shirt? that's cool. getting the body you want without surgery,
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last week scaramucci vowed to get trump to be trump. with friends like these, who needs enemies. slightly experience of push back from the unlikeliest of places. organizations like the boy scouts. police departments. even the military. reality is biting donald trump. on friday beliefs moved to distance themselves from the president. police officers to not be too nice with suspects. here he goes. >> when you see these thugs thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you see them thrown in, rough. i said, please don't be too nice. like when you guys put someone in the car and you plo terotectr head, you know, the way you put their hand -- like don't hit their head. they just killed someone and you protect the head. you can take your hand away, okay? >> police department in suffolk
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county new york pushed back tweeting as a department we do not and will not tolerate roughing up prisoners. last week, joint chiefs of staff, doneford was forced to clarify the president banning trans fender banning from the military. the boy scouts also had an apology to the scouting community. the jamboree was a personal political rally. jennifer ruben, ruth marcus, and clarence page. let's start with this trump -- i don't know how many chiefs of staff he will have to have. but whatever he want to do, he does. remind me of joe mccarthy going after the army which was really his waterloo. he found some dentist that was
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part of the communist party that raily brought him down. my question is, will that stop him? and why does he abuse the boy scouts? why abuse a meeting with the police officers. and why abuse the army with issuing with the white house without checking with the chiefs of staff. >> i think you said it. this shows he is tough and in fact none of these groups appreciate this. >> he never has personally been involved with a dangerous arrest? never dealt with a murderer in the middle of the night like a real police officer has to do? i didn't realize. was he in the military, ruth? i didn't know that. serve as high-ranking. was he a grunt? did he have anything to do with the military? was a boy scout even? >> they said he was joking today about the -- throwing thugs in the back of the paddy wagon. seemed funny to me. >> what part seemed funny?
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>> if i could speak as a veteran of both army and boy scouts -- >> and the paddy wagon? >> and by the way, that is an ethnic sawyer. >> an irish slur. a paddy wagon. >> right. we don't say that in chicago. for man who admires the military as much as he does, he has no discipline. seems to take him a while to understand that he has offended people. but he wasn't talking to those audiences, he was talking to his base, as he always is. except today at ceremony to present congressional medal of honor, i was proud of him. he sk stuck to the script. >> he did stick to the script. the writer deserves credit. we have to find the speechwriter. >> in each of those instances he is using this group as -- >> studio audience. >> studio audience. first the poor boy scouts. then the police officers who don't know what to do. >> when he was doing the head
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thing, i in the the police officers behind him were not laughing. they've been in situations like that and it is dangerous. >> the military and transgender issue in other way, he is holding everybody hostage. but america is a better person, better institution, better country than donald trump is treating it as. that's why you have this reaction. >> how about this? we have ra complicated issue like surgery or hormone for reassignment for people, he says they shouldn't be here. who is this guy to talk like that? >> he has no grasp of any level of detail. he hears a word, grasps on to that, oh, i have to please these people, okay, just get rid of the transgender process. there is no thought process, no care in what he is doing. i think part of the issue here is he is failing. >> what about peggy noonan on saturday. she said he is weak.
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he is a whiner. >> that's keyword, weak. he does not want to be associated with that word as all. i don't want to be between peggy noonan and -- >> she is a conservative. in a way imsure he wasn't ready for. and i'm sure he heard about it from his peep possess. >> donald trump has this unairing instinct to find the soft underbelly for anybody he knows where their vulnerabilities are. and peggy did a great job calling his vulnerability, being called a girly man like that. >> first wives. another switch. roundtable is with us. these three people, all geniuses telling me something i don't know. this is "hardball "where the action is. and we covered it, july first, twenty-fifteen.
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paid the full bill? >> i'm sure he paid the full bill. >> president trump was bragging about the 2.6% growth rate and economy. showing his prediction was correct. on track for the -- >> he said three promised? >> three is what he promised. he said now 2.6. he got monthly mixed up with the annual. annual is expected to be 2.0. >> i haven't heard. i likes the market more than the gdp. thank you. up next, seems like not a day goes by that we don't get another bomb shell piece of reporting from either "the washington post" or new york times. as president trump unintentionally ushering in the print journalism. we have three people here to say, yes! this is "hardball" where the action is. or even trouble with recall. thankfully, the breakthrough in prevagen helps your brain and actually improves memory. the secret is an ingredient originally discovered...
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another. in the latest edition of vanity fair, the chief media writer writes about the fierce ongoing battle between reporters at new york times and "the washington post." he wrote call it the last newspaper war as great survivors face off with the different strategy answers different economic reality but the same aud dasity an impressive array of talent and two highly competitive leaders. what is it about trump? maybe a fastball right down the middle. why is trump selling newspapers? >> every single day we are looking at stories and say he really topped himself now. and you've got this provocative entertainer who is absolutely red meat for us and is stunning us virtually every week and it started with the campaign whose outcome none of us forsaw. and intelligently two papers,
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two war horses decided to invest substantially in resources, a time their competitors and so far it is paying off when it comes at eye balls looking at their stuff. >> agreed. we are talking about "the washington post" is out tonight at this moment with breaking story right now, revealing president trump himself who craft knead misleading statement to donald trump junior released earlier this month and the campaign with the russians last year was about adoptions. the phil, this suggests the president's involved with a cover-up and possibly obstruction. didn't he know certainly by this year that that meeting -- that came after word from the russians in that e-mail that they were pushing for him to win the election. not about adoptions. about helping trump win the election. >> you're right about the meeting. let's just set the scene here. what happen said trump is leaving the g20 summit in germany and his advisors have
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been talking about how to handle the inquiries about the meeting and decided to be as fully transparent as possible. but the president overruled them. he dictated a statement misleading at best. some would argue it left a lot of important information out. and overruled his advisors on behalf of his son and new an example of the president taking full control over the russia, his own strategist and in so exposing himself to danger. that's according to a number of advise toerts president that my colleagues and i interviewed the last few weeks. >> one last question, seems like the second time he tried to double-down. and that's what we talked about the other meeting. giving credibility to the adoptions and that's all the russians wanted to talk about. >> right. he wanted that to be the story line but the people working with
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him and others involved in the case felt it would behoove them to all of the information out immediately. they knew that this would eventually surface and indeed it did. what we ended up having is three days of changing statements until donald trump jr., president's soon released that e-mail which disclosed as we now know that premise for the meeting was to share information about hillary clinton from the russian government. >> thanks for reporting this as fast as can you to us. thank you. let me go back to jim warren. this is an example of what we do on this show. we're lucky to be on at 7:00 eastern. these stories post early. don't wait for midnight. don't embargo them. this is good for us well before it hits print tomorrow morning. >> stop and think how you opened your show. with a noork times exclusive on scaramucci getting the boot. i suspect it was largely handiwork of the relentless maggie haberman.
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clearly so deep inside. so deep inside this guy's head she should be sending invoices as a shrink. now at the end of the show, can you top this, and they did seemingly exclusive by "the washington post." it is pretty impress ef but also comes against the backdrop of the trump bannon attempt to essentially delegitmize the press and delegitimize precision and they are fighting an uphill battle. . >> jim's piece is on-line now. you're about the best. >> thank you. >> when we return, let me finish tonight with trump watch. it will be tough on him. what's with him?
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trump wants monday july 31, 2017, firing of anthony scaramucci is the latest proof that trump white house is not in state of endless chaos. that's if you live in the bubble of bs that comes blowing at us from trump world where up is down, nonsense is logical and craziness is normal. we just talked about the major newspapers of this country and their competition to unearth the true reality of this president. no wonder trump is reading more and enjoying less. but thank god we have them. here is the best of ronald reagan speech writers and her
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regular saturday column, a must-read, i believe, in the wall street journal this weekend. the president's primary problem as leader is not that he is impettus brush or naive, it's not that he is an inexperienced crude an outsider. it is that he is weak and sniffling. it is that he undermines himself almost daily by ignoring traditional norms and form of american mass kau linty. he's not strong and self controlled. not cool and tough. not low-key and determined. he's whiney weepy self pitying he throw hes himself sobbing on the body politic. he's a drama queen. half the president's tweets show utter weakness. they are planetive, shrill little cries usually just after dawn. it's all whimpering accusation and finger-pointing nobody's nice to me. why don't they appreciate me?
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the shakeup fold by week that saw the bombastic with me or against me president defied as never before by washington and its institutions. including republicans in congress. his own attorney general, the un uniformed military leadership police officers and even the boy scouts. that's it for us. all in with chris hayes starts now. >> this so difficult position to be in. 11 days later. anthony scaramucci is out. >> tonight at the mooch era ends before it officially started. >> he does not have a role at this time in the trump administration. >> why the latest turn of the white house staffing carousel is a sign of much deeper problems. plus -- senator brown on whether the trump agenda is already dead. >> no. >>


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