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he's been one of the best presidents i've served under. >> the republican bargain. supporting an increasingly dangerous president to get more money for the very rich. >> failure is not an option. >> tonight the senate votes on a tax cut bill. amid new calls for the president's impeachment. i love wikileaks. >> the radio show host who could be the linchpin of the russia investigation. plus pressure on the longest-serving member of congress to step down. after multiple allegations of sexual harassment. >> congressman conyers should resign. what concerns me about the american press is this endless, endless attempt to label the guy as some kind of kook. >> versus lindsey graham 2016. >> i think he's a kook. >> when "all in" starts right now. >> this is kookland. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hails. right now at this very moment the senate is debating the
most-ambitious rewrite of the tax code in over three decades. and nobody, and i mean nobody, knows precisely what's in the bill. or what exactly it would do. in a session on the floor, lawmakers scrambling to get legislation passed before it can see the light of day, before anyone can figure out what's in it. adding to the urgency is the increasingly unhinged behavior of the president of the united states, whose pen they still need to sign a tax bill into law. this bill that they're debating right now, that they plan to vote on tomorrow, is why, for the past year and a half, republicans have chosen to tolerate donald trump's destabilizing, dangerous conduct. nothing he's done has outweighed the singular goal of getting this thing passed. not his bragging about committing sexual assault backed up by accusations from over a dozen women on record, nick collison his attacks on the u.s. intelligence committee or deference to vladimir putin or mounting evidence his campaign tried to collude with russian agents. not his repeated ethical violations using his government
role to profit his private business. not his anti-muslim hate mongering which has endangered americans around the world and hurt relations with our closest ally. not his defense of white supremacists newly emboldened under his leadership. not his reckless, belligerent posture toward north korea. all of that, all of it has been worth it to them, the republicans in congress, to get to this moment. it's the price we have all paid to pass a very unpopular tax bill. which is why republican senators like orrin hatch are thrilled with this president's leadership. >> i'll say this for you. he's been one of the best presidents i've served under. and the reason is, he's not afraid to make decisions. he's not afraid to take on the big-mouths around here. and frankly, i've got to say if you give him a chance, he's going to be a great president. >> one of the best. even outspoken critics of this president like jeff flake, who
wrote an entire book denouncing trump's politics, bob corker who publicly called the president a danger to the country, putting us on the path to world war iii, even they are widely expected to fall in line and vote for this bill. every senator who does so is of course complicit in the republican devil's bargain. for the president, this bill is a tradeoff of a different sort. he ran as a defender of main street, a brand-new breed of republican looking out for working people and the forgotten man. that's not who this bill is designed to help, just the opposite. it is a massive transfer of wealth from workers and the middle class to the wealthiest people in this country. according to nonpartisan analysis, listen to this, by 2027 people making $40,000 or $50,000 would pay a combined $5.3 billion more in taxes. the group earning $1 million or more would get a $5.8 billion cut. it's actually straightforward. a dollar to dollar transfer essentially. the middle class pays more, the rich pay less. the president either doesn't understand what's in this big or
he's just lying. >> this is going to cost me a fortune, this thing, believe me. believe me. this is not good for me. me, it's not so -- i have some very wealthy friends, not so happy with me. but that's okay. the beating heart of our plan is a tax cut for working families. that's what it is. >> the tax bill already has support from some of the same republican senators who defied their party on the health care vote like lisa murkowski and john mccain, even though this bill has similar problems, for instance, by getting rid of the individual mandate under obamacare, it is projected to raise health care costs and premiums and leave millions more people without insurance. according to a new nonpartisan report the bill would also add a trillion dollars to the deficit, which used to be a deal breaker for republican fiscal hawks. this bill has one specific goal, according to a prominent tax expert. "it's not aimed at growth, it's not aimed at the middle class, it is at every turn carefully engineered to deliver a kiss to
the donor class." anyone who's been listening, that's exactly what republicans already told us. >> you i imagine are the point person in the white house for big ceos, because you come from their world, they know you. what are you hearing from them right now? >> the most excited group out there are big ceos, about our tax plan. >> what happens politically if republicans aren't able to pass a tax reform package. >> the party fractures. most incumbents in 2018 will get a severe primary challenge. a lot of them will probably lose. the base will fracture. the financial contributions will stop. >> senator brian schotts, one of the democrats leading the fight against this tax bill, what is the status right now where you are? >> nobody knows, really, chris. but they are stuck. this is an unexpected turn. we did expect that republicans do tax cuts and they have the votes, and they felt a sense of urgency, even though this is probably the most unpopular
major tax cut bill in american history. we figured they would have the votes but they got stuck tonight. and i think the precipitating moment was when they got that score back from the joint committee on taxation which showed a trillion-dollar deficit as a result of this bill. weirdly they were surprised at that. that has caused a lot of conversation. there was a moment on the floor when it actually looked like we might even win unexpectedly around 5:00 p.m. tonight. we're not done yet. but they're not done yet. so they're stalled and they're going to reconvene tomorrow and see what they can put together. your point is a really important one. we haven't seen legislative text. >> i want to be clear. this is what i call the heist model of legislating which they tried with the aca, plot it out and wait until the guards have turned their heads and get everybody in the car and try to get in there and pass a vote and get out. they're doing that again. you're saying that you don't
know what legislation is, you do not know what the bill is? >> we have the broad contours. right now because there are so many individuals who have problems, for instance, with the deficits that are going to be run, very obviously. and other people have other things that they want in the bill. the parliamentarian is now saying certain things aren't compliant with our rules. all of those things have to get effe fixed, if you will. as a result they're going to be feverishly writing a bill overnight, mistakes will be made. this is a multi-trillion dollar piece of legislation. whether or not you like it or you don't, it seems to me to be the kind of thing that you ought to take your time with. but they're going to try to jam us. >> i wanted to bring your attention to this. tax law is an area where if you make a slight drafting mistake there is an industry of people very well compensated to take advantage of that. this is a university of chicago professor who says, is there a trillion-dollar hole in the senate tax plan? >> right. >> you're not reading that incorrectly. he argues, based on sloppy
drafting, that there's literally a trillion-dollar hole in the thing. can you be confident they're not going to pass something that has some massive, massive error at the heart of it? >> no, i think that's exactly right. and after all of their criticism of read the bill, which by the way i think is always a legitimate thing to ask of your legislator. did you read the bill? and it is true that you've got to work with staff for them to help you interpret certain aspects of the bill. sometimes they're referring to a different part of the u.s. code. so i get that it's technical and sometimes it's a gotcha question. but let's be clear. there literally is no bill text. this isn't just a matter of the individual member not poring over 500 pages. staff hasn't seen it. it's not available because it isn't written yet. so the one thing i wanted to add is that it is a miracle that democrats and the resistance across the country have been able to make this so close. a lot of people i think had a rough week emotionally when it came to the ups and downs in the
country for the republic. there was a lot of anxiety out there. and one bright spot here, i don't know if we're going to win or not, is that we're making this very, very close. it is not over. and i certainly encourage everybody to keep burning up the phone lines. >> all right, senator brian schatz of hawaii, thanks for making time tonight. tricia comb covers economics for "the new york times." warren warnstein, coauthor of "one nation after trump." patricia, you coauthored a piece did a remarkable job in communicating the scope. how big is this bill, how ambitious is it? >> it's very difficult sometimes to talk about the tax bill. because it's so complicated and there's so many different pieces to understand. so what we try to do is just to say, you know, a tax bill is always a political document. whether it's the democrats or the republicans who are in
control. but what this bill does, it does more than ostensibly raise or lower taxes or spur growth, do things to the economy. there are big social changes, ramifications, that are embedded in the bill. that will affect decisions people make about health care, education, and all sorts of things -- >> abortion, the way that churches communicate in the public sphere based on politics and their tax-exempt status. this is a broad-reaching piece of legislation. >> right. in a lot of ways, there's all of these -- it's like a christmas tree bill. you want to get a lot of different constituencies behind you. so everybody wants their little piece. some of it are economic. but some of it are not. and we've seen that with drilling in the arctic wildlife refuge. >> that's a great example. >> or with as we were talking about before, howing religious groups to do political lobbying
which they have not been allowed to do since 1954. >> a huge, huge change. norm, you've been writing about -- your book "even worse than it looks: how the american constitutional system collided with the new politics of extremism." you've been writing about the ways in which the republican party has changed over the years and become more extreme. what does this moment mean in terms of the development of the party? >> i think it's taken it from bad to worse to even worse than that. you know, i've thought for a long time, a lot of these senators are friends of mine. bob corker, john mccain, susan collins. jeff flake. and to watch people cave on something like this, not only not knowing what's in it, but for john mccain, who had said passionately about a return to a regular way of legislating the regular order, saying he's going to vote for this, it really suggests a party that has gone completely rogue. and i'd make another point,
chris. in almost 50 years of being around the legislative process, i've never seen a bill handled in this fashion. not only without any significant hearings, having it on the floor without even having a document, but the complete detachment from representatives from their own voters. we've been moving in that direction for a while. but the fact, you go past the electoral college, gerrymandering, a senate where 40% of the population controls the super majority or close to it of the senate. the fact that you have such opposition to this from every expert group, from large numbers of people, and they don't care anymore. all they care about is the large donors. and an ideology that ignores facts. it's just appalling. >> one of the things that has happened with this bill, it's been very hard to get independent analysis. they've been rushing it so quickly. and one of the things that was reported today is the treasury
usually issues -- the treasury is the treasury, right? the treasury is ultimately the people that take in the receipts. they want to know how a tax bill's going to do -- >> not only that, they write the rules. it's the treasury that is really going to be writing the language. >> implementing. >> how this happens, exactly. >> treasury has just simply refused to offer analysis of what the bill would do. >> well, it could potentially be even worse than that. which is that the treasury secretary, steven mnuchin, claimed he had -- now going back months, the treasury department to do an analysis to show that these tax cuts would spur incredible economic growth. and of course what we've seen is not only from a joint taxation committee, which is congress' own committee, saying that it's going to cost over $1 trillion. it turns out it looks like they were never even asked to do an analysis. so it's not that we haven't seen it, it's that we don't think it exists. >> they didn't want to find out? or that's the implication?
>> right, or if you're going to make the claim that the facts are on your side, well, present the evidence. but apparently they didn't even attempt to look for the evidence. >> what do you think, norm about the idea that essentially this is the devil's bargain for members of congress, that with the president, like yesterday, say tweets out essentially racist and fascist propaganda that earns a rebuke from our closest ally. that you just have to countenance that if he casually libels someone, accuses them of murder. whatever he does, you look the other way because this is the reward. is that the deal? >> oh, it absolutely is the deal. and i think, you know, you've got people nervous because they have not done a single significant thing in this congress. and they need to have some kind of a record. they control everything. they need the money from their donors. they've been flat-out saying that. let's face it, another part of this which a couple of people have talked about, marco rubio very frankly just the other day.
this is the old republican approach of starving the beast and getting at a goal that they've sought for a long time, which is to reduce and privatize medicare and social security. remember, we have a pago element that is going to hit this bill, that with the deficits as they grow, they'll take a huge chunk out of medicare automatically along with a whole series of other important programs. >> yeah, this is the first step, and marco rubio's been clear about this, pat toomey was ka caught by bernie sanders tacitly admitting, the next step is to go after social security and medica medicare. my next guest says he plans to force a house vote on impeachment next week. why he says it's time. getting a bad haircut. overcrowded trains. turnstiles that don't turn.
threatened to shut down news organizations that report the truth. if that isn't a case for impeaching and removing a dangerous president, then what is our government become? >> you've probably seen those ads on this network and elsewhere calling for the impeachment of president donald trump. after billionaire tom stier launched that ad campaign a lot of people criticized him for promoting an idea that was at the very least impracticable. but as the president's behavior grows increasingly erratic, rhetoric ever more destructive, the idea of impeachment grows as a real and concrete possibility. today ezra kline of strchlt ox.com argued at length the time has come. we've grown too afraid of the consequences of impeachment, and too complacent about the consequences of leaving an unfit president in office. if the worst happens and trump's presidency results in calamity, we will have no excuse to make, no answer to give. this is an emergency. we should break the glass." impeachment requires a congressional decision. today one lawmaker, member of
congress, said he is bringing that option to the house floor. >> mr. speaker, i don't know what the vote will be but i do know this. next week, there will be a vote to impeach. >> congressman al green of texas joins me now. you're in the minority, of course, sir. how do you make that happen? >> well, thank you for having me on, chris. if i may say this. i love my country. and this is being done out of love for the country. it will happen because each member of congress has the right to bring a privileged resolution before the house. and it will be acted upon. it can be tabled. it can be voted up or down. or it can be sent to committee. it is my hope that we will have an opportunity to vote it up or down. but i will vote to impeach, which means that i will not vote to table. i will not vote to send to
committee. i will vote time peach donald trump if given the opportunity to by way of an impeachment vote. either way, it will come before the house and there will be a vote next week. >> how many votes -- my sense is -- you and i have talked about this, there's been back and forth. leadership doesn't like this idea, i think they think the politics of it are disadvantageous. how many votes are there for impeachment in the democratic caucus right now? >> i don't know because i haven't whipped, i haven't polled. what i've done is what i believe is best for my country. i believe that this is not about the democratic leadership or the republican leadership. i've said before that it's about democracy. it's about our government. it's about the opportunity to salvage the republic. it's about a president who is unmindful of the high duties of his high office, to the extent that he has brought disrepute and shame upon the presidency to the manifest injury of the american people. when this happens, impeachment is an option. it is an option that was
contemplated by the framers of the constitution. alexander hamilton in "federalist 65" speaks of this. it doesn't have to be a frame. i think we finally got that message out to the american public, that a president doesn't have to commit a crime to be impeached. as a matter of fact, andrew johnson was impeached in 1868 for a high misdemeanor. a misdemeanor is a misdeed. i believe that this president has committed misdeeds that would require someone to take a stand. my constituents and the people i represent, they expect me to eliminate the hate that he perpetrates. he is consistently doing things that are harmful to the vibrant fabric of this country. with his latest tweets and those three videos and most of the information being inaccurate. not any remorse. doesn't say "i made a mistake." and remember this now, chris. this is the president who has
the greatest access to intelligence of any person on the planet. he doesn't vet these things before he does them. he simply chooses to do things that are harmful to this country, and now to the world, because other countries are seeing it as well. so we're going to take up the hate agenda. i think a president can be impeached for perpetrating hate. >> what i hear from you, which is a fascinating idea, is basically impeachment doesn't have to be a sort of criminal conviction of a crime, but is a political remedy for offense and for deep unfitness. and the argument that ezra kline makes in this vox piece is exactly this. see if you agree. "it aspirin that sounds radical until you say it at which point it sounds obvious. being extremely bad at the job of president of the united states should be enough to get you fired." is that your theory of impeachment? >> well, being extremely bad at the job to the extent that you create harm to the american society. yes. that would be it. if you create harm such that the
society that we live in is going to have what i will call close to irreparable injury, if not irreparable injury. then of course you can impeach a president. this was contemplated. impeachment was designed for a time such as this and a president such as trump. >> congressman al green, thanks for your time. >> thank you. next, one of the key questions in the trump russia story was how the campaign was connected to wikileaks. we now have an answer. the missing link after this quick break.
solved. who is roger stone's link to wikileaks and its founder julian assange? remember back in early august 2016, it was after wikileaks released stolen e-mails from the dnc that stone seemingly out of nowhere boasted about his connection to assange. >> i actually have communicated with assange. i believe the next crunch of his documents pertain to the clinton foundation. but there's no telling what the october surprise may be. >> the october surprise. interesting he was talking about that. a few weeks later stone famously tweeted it was soon going to be clinton campaign chairman john podesta's time in the barrel. and then that happened. in early october. when wikileaks released the most damaging cache of hacked podesta e-mails. after october stone again spoke about his connection to assange. i do have a back channel communication with assange because we have a good mutual friend. that friend travels back and forth from the united states to london and we talk.
but stone has always refused to say who was that go-between? who was his link to julian assange? now we know. that person has been subpoenaed by the house intel committee. it's this guy, randy cradico, a xhudian, radio host, occasional political candidate, sort of a lefty, who is trends with stone and shares some of stone's views like legalizing marijuana. he's part of the united states cannabis coalition that stone founded. he posted his congressional subpoena commanding him to appear on december 15th before the house intel committee investigating possible collusion between the trump campaign and russia. now after all this roger stone is finally admitting yes, it was kre kredico who was his back channel to assange and wikileaks. 80 want to reiterate there is nothing illegal or improper in communicating with julian assange and wikileaks." look at this photo. here's what we might call the
smoky selfie, emerging from the ecuadoran embassy in london where assange has been living. leaving ecuador, embassy london, past scary brit agent. that post was just two days before the podesta e-mails were published by wikileaks. the most consequential day in the 2016 presidential campaign and the link to kradico, stone, and the russia investigation next. prevagen is the number one selling brain-health supplement in drug stores nationwide. prevagen. the name to remember.
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timeline on the events leading up to the release of john podesta's hacked e-mails. august 21st, 2016, roger stone tweeted, trust me, it will soon be podesta's time in the barrel. #crookedhillary. which got a lot of people's attention at the time. how can stone possibly know that, what did he mean? october 5th, stone's now-identified back channel to wikileaks, randy credico, posted this selfie. after meeting with julian assange in the ecuadoran embassy in london. one day later, after that, on october 6th, roger stone tweeted, julian assange will deliver a devastating expose on hillary at a time of his choosing, i stand by my prediction, #handcuffsforhillary. cute. one day after that, the single most consequential day of the entire 2016 campaign. the "access hollywood" tape came out. it's a tape of donald trump bragging about sexual assault, threatening to sink trump's already faltering campaign.
within hours wikileaks posts john podesta's stolen e-mails. i thought of you immediately when we found this out, you've been obsessed with roger stone. and the nexus between stone and wikileaks as the place that all this touches. >> exactly. and it spreads out from there. you have to back up even a little bit more to june 3rd when ron gold stone e-mails don jr. and says they've got all of this highly sensitive information that they want to turn over to the trump campaign. first them to turn it over to donald senior's secretary. but then he says it's too sensitive, i have to bring it to you personally. so we know at least in april of this year through pap done husband that the russians were bragging that they had over thousands of e-mails that were taken from hillary clinton and
the dnc. so i think what happens here was that these e-mails -- approximat . >> this is your theory? >> it's the ackerman theory but i think it's spot i've on. what you have are these e-mails i'm convinced were brought to the clinton campaign. donald senior on june 7th says he's going to have a press conference next week and he's going to tell everybody about all -- >> the crimes of hillary clinton. >> right, the crimes of hillary clinton, all the horrible things that they have both done. he doesn't do it. and i think what happened was that they realized that this stuff was too hot to handle. and donald senior called up roger stone and says, how do we get it out there? how do people learn about this? so that we have plausible deny ability? the key was roger stone contacting one gucifer 2.0. then a week later, it shows up in wikileaks. and june 20th, right before the
democratic national convention, it's all over the place. >> the october 7th moment to me seems key. right? because you've got "the washington post" publishes this story that's widely considered devastating for the trump campaign. and then four hours later wikileaks publishes the first tranche of podesta e-mails. from an investigative standpoint i'd imagine you'd want to know what phone conversations or e-mails there were that day. >> mueller's team or the house intelligence committee, 100% what they're interesting going to try to understand is we have evidence from the u.s. intelligence agencies that the russian government was involved in the computer whattin inhack. the question is what do the russian dozen with that information and is the campaign working in any way, shape or form with the russian government and how these e-mails get released. this question of is there a federal crime committed involving computer hacking, this question of who, what, where,
who's involved, all those would be questions for any of these investigators. >> here's a fascinating legal question. let us say that through a back channel, roger stone -- we know roger stone's in touch with the president of the united states, with the candidate, donald trump. he said that, that's on the record. we know roger stone has a back channel. we now know it's randy credico of wikileaks. is there a crime committed if on the day that the "access hollywood" tape comes out, roger stone sends a message to assange, could you publish those e-mails today? >> there's a couple crimes. >> you think so? >> yeah, absolutely. first of all, the possession of the e-mails is a felony in new york state. >> the hack and possession. >> the hack of course is a felony -- >> that's not roger stone's crime. my point is if you tell someone who's a publisher, which is what julian assange calls himself, today would be a great day to publish what you have, why is there any trouble? >> he's using julian assange to provide help to the trurchl campaign. what they are doing -- >> you think there's criminal exposure? >> absolutely. what they're doing is the
traditional idea of a boiler room in a presidential campaign, except it's the russians running the boiler room. >> remember that there's sort of a number of different crimes to be looked at here. one is the computer hack, how that evidence comes out -- >> the intrusion is clearly a crime yeah. >> but the other -- it could be a crime by the campaign if the campaign is involved in releasing those e-mails. >> after the fact. >> exactly. that's potential one area. the other area are election laws which say, a foreign government cannot be involved in a u.s. election. if there's any indication the trump campaign was working with a foreign government like russia and it could be through assange, through roger, you would try to find that link. then that is also a potential crime. >> that strikes me as the key question here. you've got this sort of -- you've got the links in the chain, the campaign talks to roger stone, roger stone talks to credico, credico talks to julian assange, we know they're talking to each other, he said it, roger stone said it multiple times. >> more than that you've got don jr. talking to wikileaks. >> i'm talking about this specific alliance of interests. if that itself, if there's a way
that everyone in that chain can claim plausible deniability. >> i think the question you're asking is really what was said, what happened -- >> right, exactly. the details what was went down matter. >> they matter. >> for the criminal question. >> assange announced in late june, i have these e-mails. we know there's a hack, assange announces i have them. we don't know how they got from the russians to assange. then we have the assange piece. the question is this the link with the campaign? was there -- what were those conversations? >> i mean, this is why -- credico, who has emerged as a figure in this drama, there are many and it's hard to keep track of, it really matters what he did and said. thank you both. still to come, the depths of keith and his team at project veritas, to attempt to discredit "the washington post," it goes farther back than anyone knew. the details of that story ahead. senator lindsey graham takes the words right out of his own
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"thing 1," when it comes to questions about president trump's mental fitness for office, senator lindsey graham has had just about enough. >> you know what concerns me about the american press is this endless, endless attempt to label the guy as some kind of kook. not fit to be president. >> now i haven't heard anyone in the media specifically call president trump a "kook," not fit to be president." but we did find someone who has made that exact claim about president trump. a senator, in fact. that's "thing 2" in 60 seconds.
kook, not fit to be president. >> senator lindsey graham can't stand people calling donald trump a kook who is not fit to be president. but that phrase sure does sound familiar. >> i'm not going to try to get into the mind of donald trump. because i don't think there's a whole lot of space there. i think he's a kook. >> okay, now -- he said he was a kook, but that's a short clip. i think we need more context. he didn't actually say he's unfit for office, did he? >> i think he's a kook. i think he's crazy. i think he's unfit for office. >> okay, all right. so he said he's a kook, unfit for office, that was one time. it would only reach the height of hypocrisy if lindsey graham engaged in endless, endless attempt to label trump as someone who is not fit to be president. >> i don't think he has the temperament or judgment to be commander in chief. i don't think he has the temperament or judgment to be commander in chief. he's not fit to be president of the united states. he's a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot.
opportunistic, race-bating, religious bigot. he doesn't have the temperament or judgment to control himself. he's a jackass and he shouldn't be commander in chief. we think he's unfit for office, that he would be a terrible commander in chief, he doesn't have the temperament or judgment. at the end of the day i think his temperament or judgment is not sound. you know how you make america great again? tell donald trump to go to hell. . and with panera catering, there's more to go around. panera. food as it should be.
democratic lawmaker john conyers has been accused of sexual misconduct by multiple staffers. one received a settlement after claiming she had been fired for refusing his advances. today on the "today" show. >> it was sexual harassment, violating. violating my body, propositioning me, inviting me to hotels with the guise of
disgussing business. then propositioning me to -- you know, for sex. and he is just violated my body. >> now top top democrats defended conyers after allegations first surfaced. but today the entire house democratic leadership called for the 26-term lawmaker to step down. >> the brave women who came forward are owed justice. i pray for congressman conyers and his family and wish them well. however, congressman conyers should resign. >> i talked with him in person. and told him then i thought it was in his best interests to step away from this body. that he'd given us over 50 years of great service. but this was not going to get any better. in fact, i could see it getting worse. >> conyers denies acting inappropriately and is vowing to serve out the rest of his term. according to a spokesperson for
his family. the 88-year-old was hospitalized last night for a stress-related illness. >> the congressman's health is not what it should be. and a lot of that is directly attributable to this media assault. >> the accusations against conyers come of course amid a string of high-profile allegations of sexual misconduct, sexual harassment, including some very stark ones against the now-fired "today" show host matt lauer, as well as less-serious ones against democratic senator al franken, though there are now numerous people who have accused him. alabama senate nominee roy moore, credibly accused of molesting a 14-year-old girl and sexually assaulting a 16-year-old among other allegations say the claims against him are a vast conspiracy. last night he identified the alleged conspear cysts. >> they're the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgenders who want to change our culture. they're socialists who want to
change our way of life. >> roy moore is right about one thing, there is a conspiracy. but it's not against him. it's against his accusers. and it goes far deeper than anyone realized. the disturbing details next. the wrapping paper the holidays. that counts. it's a phone for mom. okay, well, it's also that counts, too. no, the network. is inside the phone? around the phone. awarded network ever. count on it. here you go. as the network it's on. so give the best unlimited for four lines.
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fine for that stunt and this week "the washington post" exposed one of his operatives trying to discredit roy moore's accusers. >> does jamie phillips work for him? are you going to answer the question. >> i'll have a few things to say. >> second question, are you working with roy moore? >> okay -- >> are you working with steve bannon? >> i'm going to ask -- >> are you working with the republican party? are you working with the republican party of alabama. >> despite the failure, the enbae enbarszing failure, james o'keefe isn't going anywhere and that's enough. he has to get it right one out of 20 times. that's enough for wealthy donors invested in discredited and destroying institutions like journalism including president trump in 2015 and business feed reports the secretive mercer family. the powerful trump and breitbart aligned donors and there is
donor trust, a dark money charity which has given ocho chief -- o'keefe's profit that pays for truly repugnant behavior. jamie phillips was part of a month's long campaign to in infiltrate the post and congratla tory send offs. phillips spent five weeks texting with a pose employee she repeatedly pressed to go to dinner despite the employee telling her of a family tragedy and rented a basement apartment in the capitol hill home of brad wood house, the former communications director. it's morally bankrupt and shameful stuff. perpetrators made it clear they view their cause as righteous, a war in which there are no civilians. joining me now joy reid and
rick, senior editor and staff writer for "the new yorker." there is something just to a human level like looking at the text exchanges that is upsetting because you have to be in such a head space to get yourself to do something like that. it really makes you wonder what is going on over there. >> what is going on over there are two things. one, they are making money. among the dow narcotinors, givi to the guy that couldn't get hired at a college newspaper for free are the marks in his e-mail list. project is constantly fundraising and including using amazon smile to get ordinary people to give when they buy christmas gifts and give them money. he's managed to rack up a six-figure salary for himself doing that. one motivation, he's a drifter. he pedals to breitbart.com where
they took down a 40-year-old organization just because they hated them and hated barack obama. so their other thing, they are ideological war. it turned into a scam. >> there is is something from a journal list tiism perspective, saw the text messages, what is amazing, they would be game and nice to this random person because there is no reason to be suspicious. you don't think like -- they are journalists are viewed as the enemy in this terrain. >> in a weird way, it reminds me of the very worst of the 1960s left, you know, it's sort of -- >> that's a great analogy. >> the hatred of all the institutions, the idea -- the picture of themselves as being pranksters, when they get caught they say we're just -- we're just messing around. doesn't anybody have a sense of
humor around here? they are -- you have to figure there is something other than just pure evil involved here. and i think it's a certain type of personality that doesn't always get to express itself. that's what these -- >> there is a certain brainwashing, too, when you talk about the '60s left, anything done is in service of the cause. you're seeing this play out in the roy moore situation with the people rushing to defend him there where you have this -- yeah, this sense that whatever transgressions we make, the transgressions are in the service of something great. >> i talked to long-time political republican in alabama yesterday trying to get behind the roy moore support and the people voting for roy moore don't believe the stories with all of these accusers and what james o'keefe are trying to do,
burn down the concept that journalism is trustworthy. if you can kill the concept, anything is journalism. my blog, e-mail chain. whatever i want and what makes me -- reinforces what i want to believe. >> you can discredit in the colt-like fashion to cut off people's ties to the various things in reality, if you can say anything comes from t"the washington post" is is not true, you can get people to believe anything. >> yeah, it's warfare. it's a crusade against reality and it's really unprecedented in that sense. they're trying to shake your sense of reality, and they have -- and their -- a lot of it is related to the collapse of the authority of the institutions that you've written about, too. >> right. and this is part of sort of fomenting that along.
there is something creepy about the president of the united states being aligned with them. sarah sanders toted videos and one thing when they are working in opposition of barack obama, there is something that strikes me as authoritarian when people lie with the president are renting your air b and b to spy on you. >> but in a lot of the -- in a sense, donald trump is sort of their customer. i think what is scarier is a consumer of this stuff. he's actually consuming the world in a daily. >> breitbart, he's not voicing the information and power. he is as duped but it as their average person on the e-mail list sending them $25 out of their amazon smile account. donald trump is purchasing this stuff and that's scary because nobody around him with reacquaint him with reality, either. >> that's a great point, joy reid.
>> he's a pathological liar, too. he believes -- he seems to believe this stuff. >> yeah. >> when nixon lied, i think we knew he knew he was lying but we're not so sure about trump. >> yeah. >> thank you both for being here. that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts now. thank you, my friend. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. we've been working all day on the assumption by this time this evening, quite possibly in this hour during our show we would be looking at one of these late-night showdown monumental down to the wire votes in washington. as of now, that is not happening but we literally got reporters standing by on scene in the event this gets started up again. the details on why they are not voting now and what went wrong in republican's plan to pass gigantic legislation tonight, the first legislation they will have passed in the trump administration, those details about what went wrong in that story about whatpe