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challenge the u.s. in the future. >> thank you so much for being with me here to talk about a lot of headlines today. as we wait for maybe a donald trump news conference. maybe not. maybe tomorrow. maybe next week. maybe not at all according to white house officials. we'll watch it all from here. but for now over to ali velshi flying solo today in new york. >> we'll catch up with you later on in the day. hallie jackson for us at the white house. good morning, everyone. i'm ali velshi. stephanie is off. it's thursday, december 21st, so let's get started. >> it's crunchtime again for republicans with a possible government shutdown looming tomorrow. >> we're hopeful that we vote later today. i don't see a shutdown happening. >> no games. no sneaky things in it. just a continuing resolution to get us into next year. >> and while republicans try to work out a spending deal, they're still relishing their biggest legislative achievement yet. >> it's always a lot of fun when you win.
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>> exquisite presidential leadership. mr. president, thank you. >> you're one heck of a leader. >> i want to thank you, mr. president. i want to thank you with congratulations and thanks. >> the price of admission is sucking up and treating him like he's the most insecure autocrat on the globe. >> millions of americans will soon feel the impact. some are already. surprise bonuses for hundreds of thousands of workers. >> they're doing something, but they're literally doing the least they can do. >> if firing the special counsel or interfering with his investigation is unacceptable and would have immediate and significant consequences. >> we're fully cooperating with special counsel and will continue to. >> reports on secret meetings by a group of house republicans focused on corruption and bias on the upper ranks in the justice department and fbi. >> this clown is the one that is going to be questioning the integrity of the fbi?
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>> fbi deputy director andrew mccabe is slated to be interviewed behind closed doors by the house judiciary and oversight committees today. >> all right. we have a busy day ahead of us. i want to go straight to ron allen who's at the united nations where nikki haley may have just upped the ante. some countries may have thought she's crossed a line in which -- we don't have the sound for you just yet, ron, but she just moments ago said that the united states is moving its embassy to jerusalem. that decision has been made and they will be watching closely to see who doesn't do that and while it may not matter today, when countries come calling to the united states for help, this day will be remembered and their votes will be remembered. it was a threat, the sort of which we're not used to hearing from a united states representative in the united nations. >> reporter: exactly, ali. it's going to be called blackmail. it's going to be called bullying. it's reminder, too, that the
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united states has a history here back in the days of the bush administration when we weren't paying dues to the united nations because we didn't like what was going on here. but this is not the first time that an american president administration has threatened to not pay dues to the u.n. over policy and over differences about what the u.n. should be doing. but yes, that does up the ante. coming into this, we thought they were going to threaten nations individually who didn't vote with this. but this is really turning it up. it's not surprising. you know, president trump is -- you know, we know he feels strongly about this. we know that he's not one to back down. and this obviously is not going to go down very well in the room. and it remains to be seen what will come of this. but the u.s. position is that by declaring jerusalem the capital of israel, that that does not preclude the peace process outcome. that does not take the final
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status off the table. but frankly the rest of the world doesn't buy that. they think the united states has now come down on the side of israel and the united states has removed itself from the peace process. remember, the palestinian side was not even going to meet with vice president mike pence if he went and carried out his visit to the middle east which now has been postponed because of other issues. but that's how strongly that the nations of the world feel about this. also, you know, there was a very strong statement before nikki haley from a representative of turkey, a nato country saying essentially that turkey is not going to let jerusalem down. that the turks are going to open up an embassy or diplomatic mission in east jerusalem which palestinians claim as their capital. that ups the ante as well. this has basically been the united states and israel and a few other allies against the world on this issue. and now we're several weeks past this declaration by the trump administration and it continues to play out in very, very negative ways for the united
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states. but of course the united states is adamant. they're going to stand up to this. the trump administration is not going to back down. so this is now exploding into an even larger diplomatic crisis here. >> all right, ron. we'll continue to follow it through the course of the morning with you. thank you, ron allen for us at the united nations. and also this morning, what unity. fights emerge over a government funding bill to avoid a shutdown that needs to be signed by midnight on friday. this scene of jubilant republicans celebrating the tax cut bill yesterday afternoon is now pivoting as they retreat to their corners. gop senators are at odds over the funding of several programs as they craft a so-called continuing resolution. the president took to twitter saying, house democrats want a shutdown for the holidays in order to distract from the very popular just passed tax cuts. by the way, the tax cuts with wildly unpopular. there are tax increases that have been more popular in
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american histories. so the president's tweet once again is a bit of nonsense. despite this, mitch mcconnell was unwavering on the questioning of a shutdown at an event in washington this morning. >> is there any danger that the government will shut down? >> no. >> what gives you that confidence? >> no one wants to do it. >> that hasn't stopped them before. >> no, no. occasionally, some foolish people have wanted to do it. no one wants to do it. >> in the short-term bill, funding for the pentagon, the fisa surveillance program, health care issues, and disaster relief are all up in the air. paul ryan released a minimalist plan to try to keep the government open. he described it earlier on cnbc. >> we're just bringing a clean what we call vanilla cr. extend, we have a choice issue, we've got a few things expiring. we're keeping those going, keeping the government funded. >> i'm going to explain it a little bit. this is hard to keep track of
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the budget versus the spending bill versus the continuing resolution. let's look at what the vanilla funding bill covers. pentagon funding, $4.7 billion in emergency funding. this is for missile defense and ship repairs. the foreign surveillance or fisa program that allows to eavesdrop on foreign nationals in the united states gets a simple extension from libertarian leaning republicans who think this is a remarkable overreach. this is going to be addressed in a larger reauthorization next year. the children's health insurance program c.h.i.p. gets a simple extension. the va choice plan getting a $2 billion patch. a big one that's out, is a fix to stabilize obamacare premiums. that's put off into the new year. meaning the health care fights of 2017 will follow us into 2018. also kicks into the new year, negotiations of daca which would
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protect 800,000 young people brought to the u.s. no choice of their own. it leaves uncertainty over many families over the holidays. and while the flood insurance program would get simple extension, disaster relief faces its own battle for a vote. the recovery plan would help for hurricane ravaged places like puerto rico and u.s. virgin islands. remember this stripped down bill only funds the government until january the 19th. so even if this passes, we'll be right back here in less than a month. garrett haake is live on capitol hill for us. garrett, yesterday you and i were talking. it was kumbaya. orrin hatch was talking about how everybody loved the president. everybody loved everybody. now back to business as usual. different groups, different corners. >> reporter: that's right. although i don't think we're going have fireworks today, the sense is we'll probably have a
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deal. let's work backwards here on this funding deal. the president's tweet you mentioned i want to come back to that in a moment. but minutes ago sarah huckabee sanders explained what the white house wants to see get done today. take a listen. >> we have maintained our position all along. we want a clean bill and that's what we hope happens. and we hope it happens soon because we know all of you guys and all of congress and everybody else is ready to make sure that the government is fully funded and functional and go home and celebrate christmas. >> reporter: so that's the white house position. they want to get something signed in a hurry so that people can get out of here for christmas. and that they don't step on what they feel like is a big victory on the tax deal. the senate will be voting second here as we continue to work backwards. they've got a rand paul problem. he doesn't like this short-term fisa extension. we'll see how much he wants to fight it. and democrats haven't committed to supporting anything just yet.
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they're waiting to see what gets over to them. this is not like the reconciliation bills we've been talking about. they have to have some democratic support even for this vanilla super bland ice cream flavor of a bill to keep the government open. the house is the most interesting on all of this. that's where you see the stress infrastructu fractures here. republicans are probably going to have to produce all these votes by themselves to pass something. there are a lot of conservatives who don't like these short-term spending bills. they don't like some of the stuff that's in it. that's why you saw that presidential tweet earlier today, ali. i see that tweet as the president trying to lean on the freedom caucus. some of these other people who are -- >> garrett, let's put that tweet up for a second. it says, house democrats want a shutdown for the holidays in order to distract from the very popular just passed tax cuts. house republicans, don't let this happen. pass the cr today and keep our government open. other than the fact that the bill's not popular and the president's just being dishonest
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about that again, who's this tweet for? >> reporter: well, house democrats do not want to shut down the government. this is a tweet designed to allow people in the freedom caucus, conservatives, folks who might push back against this cr to vote for it instead and call it a win. to say, look, we're standing with the president. we're voting for this cr so we can stand with the president. it is designed to allow conservatives to take a vote they don't like, call it a win, and get on a plane. >> garrett, good to talk to you. we'll chat later on today. corporate america reacting quickly to the tax cut plan with several companies announcing investments and bonuses. msnbc parent company comcast announced it would goff $1,000 bonuses to more than 100,000 employees. boeing said it would make a $300 million investment in workforce training. while banks like fifth-third and
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wells fargo is raising their minimum wage. the president was quick to capitalize on the news tweeting out this morning, the massive tax cuts which the fake news media is desperate to write badly about so as to please their democrat bosses will soon be kicking in and will speak for themselves. companies are already making big payments to workers. dems want to raise taxes and hate these big cuts. and with this legislative win, news the economy grew 3.2% in the third quarter of 2017. republicans like ways and means committee chairman kevin brady are still trying to sell their tax cut even as they take a victory lap. >> we set out to create a tax code built for growth. jobs, paychecks, and we want to leapfrog america back in the lead pack globally so we can compete and win anywhere in the world. the tax code, this new one really encourages new investment by businesses in america, in their company, in their workers in a big way.
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>> cnbc editor at large john harwood joins me now. i want to check that gdp number. it was third quarter gdp was revised down 0.1% to 3.2%. okay. i want to make sure i got that right. yeah. the arrow is wrong. that's what the issue is. it's revised down. john, those companies that we just named that gave out things, let's just talk about this. at&t. there's a reason why they'd want to be in the company's good books right now. boeing dealing with the export/import bank. they are a great beneficiary of it. wells fargo every second week in hot water with the government. so i'm not 100% sure i'm seeing across the board companies that don't have some particular interest in doing this rewarding the president for the tax bill. >> this is the equivalent, ali, of the cabinet members going around the table and praising president trump when they bring the cameras in.
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every company in america knows if they announce some economic good news right now after having got that tax cut, the president's going to give them credit. in fact, yesterday at that celebration ceremony at the white house, the president read the news about at&t which of course as you alluded to has a merger pending before the u.s. government. this calls to mind what happened after the election last year when companies started announcing factories that were already in process were in process. and the president said i just got elected and now we're building a plant. it's going to play out in the long run, not 24 hours after the tax cut passes. >> this reminds me of right after the president got elected. companies were jumping to say they're not moving their companies to mexico or overseas. it didn't have a long-term effect. it didn't work.
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but they didn't want to be in the cross hairs of the president. this is different. this is currying favor with an administration that does seem to be friendly toward the lowering of regulations or going after corporate america. i'm a business journalist. people forget that stephanie, you, and me are all business journalists. we're pro-capitalists. we like when businesses succeed. this feels a little cynical. >> right. and remember these companies have been doing very, very well. the president's been tweeting all year long to bask in the glory that corporate profits were doing extremely well, the stock market's going up. so the idea this is all of a sudden they passed a tax bill, i don't think that passes the smell test. but the real question's going to be, you mentioned that 3.2% growth in the third quarter. is that going to be sustained for multiple quarters in a row?
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we had quarters higher than that under president obama. but we didn't have sustained growth of that kind. are we going to see that now? congressional budget office doesn't think so. joint tax committee doesn't think so. we will see. >> i guess it's just always worth reminding people that as much as we try, there's no president in history that doesn't want to oversea the best job growth, the lowest unemployment, and the highest gdp growth. right? it's not for lack of trying. >> of course. >> everybody wants 3% and 4%, but there are things that happen in the world that are not -- there are things that happen in america that are not in the control of congress or the president. so i really want to be wrong on all this. i want all of these estimates to be wrong. i want job creation and income to go up and gdp growth to be 3% plus. i am -- >> we all do. i've got three kids. i'm hoping they're going to have a very prosperous economy to walk into. but a couple of things are worth remembering in addition to the fact that our companies are doing well. overseas stock markets have been
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doing better than the american stock market. >> and they don't have a president trump. >> exactly. and there are certain factors that can strain the ability of the economy to grow. we're approaching full employment. we're starting to see upward wage pressures which goes into some of that -- those minimum wage announcements that you read. is this tax bill something that is going to generate such a surge of productivity that it will put us on a higher growth path? most economists are skeptical of that. but we're going to find out. >> all right, john. good to talk to you as always. cnbc's john harwood. right now an exclusive. justice department investigators are questioning fbi agents over a uranium deal that has been linked to bill and hillary clinton. we'll look into that in a few minutes. stay with us. you're watching "velshi & ruhle" live on msnbc.
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." on the same day questioning mccabe about the bureau's handling of its investigation into hillary clinton's e-mail server, nbc is out with an exclusive report that justice department prosecutors have begun asking fbi agents about an even older criminal investigation that had links to clinton. the uranium one deal. they are acting on the orders of attorney general jeff sessions. if you are not familiar with the uranium one deal, it's complicated. here's a basic synopsis. in 2010, rosatom purchased a majority share of uranium one which is a canadian company which owns uranium mines in the united states. the hill reports the fbi then led by robert mueller was investigating attempts by russia to grow their influence in the u.s. nuclear industry. regardless, an independent inter-agency government of nine people from different agencies
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approved the sale unanimously. hillary clinton was the secretary of state at the time and the state department was briefed on the sale. the clinton foundation also received millions of dollars in donations from russian and canadian individuals while the negotiations were happening, possibly to curry favor for the deal. but if the fbi was investigating to infiltrate the nuclear program, we don't know if hillary clinton would have known about it. we don't know she played any role in the deliberations over the deal nor that there was or is a national security threat stemming from russia's access to this uranium. joining us now is one of the reporters behind today's investigation tom porter. feel free to clarify anything i said. this is still a complicated story. >> you nailed it. if we were going to go over every detail in this show, there's not enough time to go over every bit of it. but that's the gist of it. >> all right. part of this is hillary clinton was head of the state department
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at the time. typically this decision wouldn't have made it to hillary clinton or robert mueller for that matter. >> exactly. what we've been told is for all the people that were on this board that needed to sign off on this treasury, homeland security, secretary of state, that not every one of these decisions even makes it to their desk. they may not even hear about it. they're on it but not necessarily told about it. they don't even necessarily intervene. most of the time it's usually a just a rubber stamp. and these type of issues come up at a high profile level not that often. this is a common process. so that's something to remember in the context of all of this. >> and this doesn't involve nuclear material leaving the united states. >> well, it -- at the time it would have been. it would have been for possible exports leaving the united states or the supply that would have been available in the united states for nuclear power plants here or for nuclear weapons. again at the time, it would have been only 20% of the u.s.'s
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overall supply or the supply that could have been mined to be most specific. >> got it. so president trump's been tweeting about this for months. the idea is to implicate, sort of put some attention on hillary clinton and to implicate robert muell mueller. the feeling is that if robert mueller is being investigated because of his involvement in uranium one, how can he be an impartial prosecutor into the russia collusion story. >> so i think to answer all of that, we just need to look at the way the fbi, the justice department works and the relationship between the two. the fbi investigates matters. end of the day, the department that makes the decisions, it's the prosecutors. it's the department of justice. they decide, okay, we look at the evidence that you've been able to get, fbi. and we think there's a viable prosecution for this particular statute. or a group of statutes. for violations of the statutes. so it's not a situation where the fbi here decides whether or not somebody's prosecuted and as
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we say in the story today, one of the questions that these fbi agents are being asked is not only hey what did you find, if anything, but also was there a prosecution here that you think should have been brought that was squashed? so to say that the fbi would have been the ones to determine whether or not hillary clinton or anybody else would have been charged in this deal is just not understanding the way the process works. for people to suggest that. >> noteworthy in a radio interview last month, the saddest thing is because i'm the president of the united states i'm not supposed to be involved in the justice department. i'm not supposed to be involved with the fbi. the president seemed to be lamenting this in the radio interview because he was sort of implying that if i were in charge, if i could direct the justice department and the fbi to do this, i would direct them to conduct this investigation. >> well, i think one of the great things we have in this country is we have an independent court and everybody is entitled, if charges are
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brought, to put on a defense. and any charges need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. that's just not the way our system works, somebody's not automatically going to jail for that. while i think there is a lot of rhetoric you refer to, i think this is a situation where there's deliberative processes being taken. the fbi agents are being talked to. end of the day we'll see if anything is there and part of what might be there has anything to do with the clintons. so i think we're a long way away from figuring out exactly what this effort might be about. >> tom, thanks very much for your reporting on this. tom winter is a member of the investigations team. new numbers are showing how devastating the opioid crisis is in the united states. centers for disease control say the life expectancy for americans are down for the second year in a row. up next i'm going to talk to a former congressman and a member of the president's commission to combat drug addiction. you're watching "velshi & ruhle" live on msnbc.
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all right. back to our breaking news live look at capitol hill where house speaker paul ryan and other house and senate republicans are holding an enrollment ceremony for the conference report to the tax reform bill that was approved yesterday. as you can imagine, there was love in the air at the white house as republicans celebrating their victory on tax reform yesterday. >> it's been a year of extraordinary accomplishment for the trump administration. >> something this profound could
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not have been done without exquisite presidential leadership. mr. president, thank you for getting us over the finish line. >> i would say to the american people president trump has been making history since the first day of this administration. >> this is one of my great privileges of my life to stand here on the white house lawn with the president of the united states who i love and appreciate so much. >> joining me now is editor of the weekly standard bill kris l kristol. there was a lot of love there yesterday, bill. the context here is they haven't been able to get any major legislation through the course of the year. so they were treating this as a very, very, very, very big success. and to hear republicans talk about this bill, you wouldn't know there are lots of americans who don't think this is the best bill going. what do you make of it? >> well, republicans who voted
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for the bill could have praised themselves. i guess they feel they have to give it to president trump because they want to work with him in the future and that's what he wants and expects. he wants it from his vice president, his cabinet, from congressional leadership. it's kind of third world, honestly, isn't it? you show up at the white house and just fawn over the president. i was there in the reagan white house and he was treated with great respect, obviously. maybe evan little bit over the top kind of. but nothing like this. >> it does seem a little unusual. >> wh what do you make of it? their main goal being to get a piece of legislation that was promised this year. i'm on a hunt fors fiscal conservatives. there used to be a breed of people called fiscal conservatives. i can't find them anymore.
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ultimately what's the benefit of this sycophant? >> if anything i'd say the opposite. i'm not crazy about this particular bill, but if the economy grows faster or there's an increase in wages, i guess the president can take credit for it. if not, they'll take some blame. is not explicable. better off in a way defending the most americans are going to probably get tax cuts. i'm more of a fiscal hawk and we publish pieces saying maybe this isn't the right time to be increasing the debt by $1.5 trillion. whatever. that's what they chose to do. they might as well run on what they got which is the tax cuts for lots of americans. some can say they're small tax cuts, unevenly distributed, whatever. but probably more people will
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get tax cuts than not. if i remember a republican senator or congressman, that's what i'd be hammering. why tie yourself to trump who we know is not popular and where candidates have looked like trump. and they're scared beyond reason almost. they want things from him. you know, if you're a senator or congressman, you want to get jobs in the government. you have your own pieces of legislation, your issues. and you really want trump on board. and you don't think the way to get them on board is to get the relevant cabinet secretary or to show him it's a good idea. the way to get him on board is to suck up to him. that's what they're doing. >> there are congressmen gathering. we don't see paul ryan yet -- oh, there it is. no, that's not him. not him. let me ask you this, bill. yesterday there was a lot of unity. this morning there's already some disunity about the continuing resolution.
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can the republicans make something of this? can republicans in congress make something of the fact they got a piece of legislation done not to brag that they got a piece of legislation done but to help them on major issues in 2018 so they don't have a repeat of 2017? >> i've got to say there's so many issues out there, might kick that down the road. then they've got the daca with the d.r.e.a.m.ers. some like me would like to see defense adequately funded. some don't want to especially if it's to spend more on domestic programs as well to get some democratic votes. there are a ton of issues out there that will be difficult for this republican congress. maybe they're wise just to revel in the moment. to have a nice christmas vacation and try to feel good about this moment. but i'm not sure how long it will last. then we'll see what happens. next year is going to be a rocky
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year in many ways. >> there's speaker ryan pulling up to the podium shaking some hands with other members of congress. bill, good to talk to you. bill kristol is the founder of the weekly standard. you see mitch mcconnell there. you see orrin hatch. you see senator scott, kevin brady. smaller group of the same group that was assembled at the white house yesterday to celebrate the passage of the bill. diane black is there. so i'm not sure why -- okay. well, there's tim scott. let's listen in. >> good morning. what a good morning this is. a fantastic day, christmas coming early for the american people. the house and the senate working together putting aside all differences with one clear objective. making sure the american people are heard. making sure that small businesses have an opportunity to grow.
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we have seen a tre mmendous victory through this process. it is because trusting with the confidence of thafr voeir voter bring forward a victory. i am pleased we're led by leader mcconnell who has done a fabulous job of bringing 52 cats all working in different directions together for one purpose. to serve the american people. >> well, thanks, tim. this is a happy day, indeed, for the american people. these middle class tax cuts are resonating already. we've used the examples of single parents making $41,000 a year who are getting a 73% reduction in their taxes. but it's not just on the individual side. i was pleased to see america's corporations standing up almost immediately and saying that
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employees are going to benefit from this great tax cut. led off by at&t yesterday with a thousand-dollar christmas bonus to 200,000 employees. echoing after that, other corporations standing up and saying just exactly what people like speaker paul ryan have been predicting for a long time. this is going to provide great opportunities for the employees of our country. so it's a great christmas season. happy to be here. and with that, the chairman of the ways and means committee, a leader on this issue all along the way, kevin brady. >> leader, thank you again so much for your leadership. and speaker ryan's as well. you've seen this bill signed today, historic tax reform bill is one of the highlights for many of us for our time in
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congress. and maybe in our adult lives. one of the main reasons so many of us ran for congress was to do exactly this. improve america's broken tax code and take away the pain it was having in causing on our country and economy. we all want to make it simpler, fairer, flatter. rewarding hard work and making america great again and leapfrogging america to the lead. that's exactly what we've accomplished in this bill. this is an incredible day for the american people. we would have never got here but for the leadership of paul ryan, our speaker. without the leadership of the senate leader mcconnell, chairman hatch and others. but i do want to take a moment to tell you as proud as i am of this bill, i am equally proud of the 24 members of the house ways and means committee who worked long hours, evenings, weekends, came back from holidays to be ready to deliver this tax reform
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plan. and i'd be remiss as well if i didn't thank our team in our committee led by david stewart and barbara angus who did remarkable work. i cannot wait to see this new life that springs up in our economy in the united states as we deliver more jobs, fair taxes, and bigger paychecks for the american people. thank you. and i'm proud to introduce the chairman of the energy committee in the senate. senator murkowski. there you are. >> i had to come from behind my congressman from alaska don young who has been with us on the anwar fight for 37 years now.
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so while i was able to be the architect of title ii in the senate and proud to do so, i think it is only appropriate that i recognize the dean of your house, congressman don young who has done an extraordinary job for us. but as tax -- >> all right. senator murkowski. we're going through something similar to what we went through yesterday at 3:00 in the afternoon when everybody kj congratulates themselves and each other. i want to talk on the other side of a break about the opioid crisis. we'll show you the report telling you how devastating this has become. you're watching "velshi & ruhle" on msnbc. patrick woke up with back pain.
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." stephanie's off today. we've got startling new figures out this morning on the opioid crisis and its impact. the national center for health statistics reports there were more than 63,600 overdose deaths in 2016. of those, of the 63,600, 42,249 involved opioids. that is two-thirds of all drug-related deaths. in addition, the 28% increase from the previous year. the average life expectancy in the united states dropped for the second straight year. you see the numbers there on
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life expectancy. 78.6 in 2016. down from 78.7 in 2015 which is a big point drop from 78.9 in 2014. joining me live is former democratic congressman patrick kennedy. he's a member of the presiden s president's. alarming, alarming, disturbing numbers. two-thirds of all those overdose deaths were opioid-related deaths. they increased 28% in a year. i would have thought that by 2016 we were starting to move in the right direction on this. >> ali, this isn't news. for anyone paying attention, this has been going on for years. what is news is that everyone's taking a victory lap on the tax cut while we have this epidemic on our hands that requires an emergency response. and yet we can give $1.5 trillion in tax cuts and yet
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we're only spending $500 million a year to address a crisis that's taking more lives much more than what we ever thought during the height of the aids epidemic when we were spending $24 billion a year for the aids epidemic. we're only spending $500 million a year. ali, you cannot make this up. >> right. >> it is startling. >> so people who tell me about what the problems are, how you actually address this on the ground, tell me part of the problem is we don't have an infrastructure that necessarily deals with this. and that the health care infrastructure was sort of part of why this problem developed. so what are we looking to do. if we could triple the money that we spend on this or quadruple it, where would it go? how would it actually stop these deaths? the cdc report shows overdose
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deaths were up for all age groups. >> first ali, let me just say, we know what to do. i just -- i've been at this for a long time. i've talked to all the experts. i just want to reassure the public watching this. we have the answers. the thing that's missing, ali, is the political will to address this. okay? first and foremost, people need to be connected to health care. you can't manage an addiction which by the way is like any other chronic illness like diabetes or asthma or any cardiovascular disease. you do it by connecting people to treatment. now, what kind of treatment? we need to revamp the way we think of treatment. 12-step programming is great, but it isn't perfect. and what we need to do is address the opioid use disorder as its own crisis. not just an addiction crisis. we know that opiate replacement therapy is the best course of treatment. what do we need to do? we need to give people the kind
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of inoculations that we would give them if this were a zika virus orinfluenza. we would give it to people. the fact is, thanks to the fda, we have an inoculation. it will curb cravings and prevent overdoses. do we need to do, ali? we need to get more physicians in this country to give that shot. what's the problem? the problem is they don't want to do it because they're worried about the dea over their shoulder. the irony, ali, is that they could write scripts for oxycontin and have no dea oversight for the most part. but if they write a treatment for an opioid disorder, they have the dea breathing down their backs. there's something perverse about the -- >> how do we solve that? is that a dea directive then? is it an administration directive through health and human services to say do this? >> so what we need to do is do a number of things. but we know what those things
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are. we need to give a special opiate use disorder code through the centers for medicare and medicaid services. the president ought to bring in all the health insurance companies and say, services. the president ought to bring in all the health care services and say, listen, you folks need to step it up here. this is crucial to our national interest. in other words, we just need an all hands on deck approach. and first and foremost, we need to get it through medicaid. you can't get care if you don't have health insurance. we know how to do this through medicaid and that's what we should do. but we shouldn't be paying for detoxes, because detoxes frankly increase the amount of deaths. we're spending money on the wrong forms of treatment and instead we ought to be spending money on what we know works. >> that is a helpful message in light of a very devastating report. former congressman patrick
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kennedy, thanks for joining me. i appreciate it. he's a commissioner on the drug and opioid crisis. right now president trump is threatening its 192 members and israel's prime minister today is calling the u.n., quote, the house of lies. this is all because the u.n. general assembly meeting right now in a rare special session to vote on a resolution slamming president trump's decision to move the u.s. embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem. u.n. ambassador nikki haley spoke less than an hour ago and she issued this warning. >> the united states will remember this day in which it was singled out for attack in the general assembly for the very act of exercising our right as a sovereign nation. we will remember it when we are called upon to once again make the world's largest contribution to the united nations. and we will remember it when so many countries come calling on us as they so often do to pay even more and to use our
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influence for their benefit. america will put our embassy in jerusalem. that is what the american people want us to do. and it is the right thing to do. no vote in the united nations will make any difference on that. but this vote will make a difference on how americans look at the u.n. and on how we look at countries who disrespect us in the u.n. and this vote will be remembered. thank you. >> joining me live now, by the way, look at the bottom right of your screen. that's the ceremony to sign the tax bill that's just wrapping up in congress. joining me now live is hagar hagard hamali. she served as u.s. spokesperson to the mission of the united nations. before that she served as a mideast policy adviser at the national security council and the presidential department. those are fighting words. there is often no love lost between the united states and
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the united nations, but this takes it to a whole other level. >> yes, and her entire statement and trump statement before is all about focusing on those who are going to go against us, are not going to support our policy, are not going to receive our aid. it's bombastic rhetoric that doesn't achieve any goals, certainly not our own objectives. if they do follow with that threat, it would be like shooting ourselves in the foot. >> all allies of the united states will vote in a way that is not in u.s. interest today. we are not in a position to shed those people as allies because we depend on them insofar as they can do it for some stability in the middle east. >> right, and you know, to tell you the truth, i understand our administration being unapologetic about its goals. >> that part of the statement, everybody in the u.n. says that. we're going to do what we're going to do irrespective of your opinion. >> exactly. but to make this about threatening countries into voting or to supporting u.s. policy, it's not how it works
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and it also oversees a major point which is our assistance in aid is directly tied to certain conditions and goals. whether they be reconstruction after war, defense -- enhancing someone's defense, humanitarian goals, building someone's civic society and democracy. we don't throw money willy-nilly. those are all in our own foreign policy interests. to take that away doesn't make any sense. >> it's not charity u.s. aid. it is something that's done to influence things, and part of the issue is there is other money out there in the orworld, there is other capital. we've seen china step up in aid in africa where the u.s. doesn't get as involved. again, this is a tactic that could isolate the united states in an increasingly isolated world. >> exactly. in particular if president trump doesn't follow through on his threat, then we're just going to seem like we're bluffing for anything the u.s. government
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might say. i understand the administration's frustration with this vote, with this resolution, and not because of money. because the u.n. environment has always been biased against israel. the united states and a few handful of countries have always been isolated on israel votes in the security council or the general assembly. i understand that, i understand they're angry about it. but number one, that doesn't mean they should do this. >> that was number one in the obama administration. >> always. and that doesn't mean they should pursue this bombastic rhetoric. it just means they missed a strategic opportunity before when they made this decision. they could have gotten countries together and said, you're not going to come out against us or they could have announced something in tandem. >> do it in the background. the united nations is built with big hallways for conversation to see happen that don't have to happen on the floor of the u.n. as we just saw. former communications director and spokesperson for the u.s. mission to the united nations,
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chris? right now on "andrea mitchell reports," over the top. come 2018 how will voters feel about the plethora of praise for the president over the tax reform bill? >> this has been a year of extraordinary accomplishment for the trump administration. >> exquisite leadership, mr. president, thank you. >> thank you for your love of this country. >> you're one heck of a leader. >> we would not be standing here today if it wasn't for you. >> taking names this hour, the united nations set to vote on a resolution condemning the u.s. for recognizing jerusalem as the capital of israel. after a threat by the president, u.n. ambassador nikki haley says they will cut off foreign aid if other countries are upset with the u.s. for moving

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