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thanks for being with us. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember to follow the show online, on facebook, and twitter @mitchellreports. here is "velshi and ruhle." >> thank you. it is tuesday, september 3rd. you're watching "velshi and ruhle" tracking hurricane dorian the category 2 storm now making its way toward the u.s. mainland after spending about two days pounding the bahamas. dorian slammed the islands, leaving five people dead and more than 20 injured. satellite images of grand bahama before and after show dorian's arrival and they show how devastating the storm can be with flooding significant areas including grand bahama international airport. >> here in the united states more than 1 million people are under evacuation orders across the states of florida, georgia, and south carolina. already home to nearly 15
million people they're now under hurricane or tropical storm warnings, even more facing storm surge warnings or watches. as dorian creeps closer, more than 70 nursing homes and assisted living facilities in the state of florida have officially been evacuated. 85 shelters are opened throughout the state as more than 1200 flights to and from florida airports have been canceled today. according to the national hurricane center, dorian is approaching as a category 2 hurricane with speed winds topping 110 miles an hour but no one should interpret that as safe. those winds can still bring down trees and knock out power completely. one of the biggest concerns potentially deadly storm surge. >> it's raging. high tide is coming in. storm surge is rising. this is normally tranquil waters.
>> we will not respond after hits of 50 miles per hour. we evaluate it at the time but generally 50 is the limit for us as far experienced flooding during matthew or irma in the last few years, they really should the governor has asked. and most everybody else who welcome back to "vels stays in town ought to hunker down and baton down the hatches and be ready. "velshi & ruhle." >> joining us from jensen beach, nasa has been tracking dorian's florida, which is starting to path. as the category 2 storm gets closer to the florida coast, the feel the effects of dorian is flight facilities at the kennedy nbc news correspondent gabe space center are buckling down. staff at the center are gutierrez. >> reporter: stephanie and ali, preparing to ride out the storm the winds are starting to pick up here. as it moves closer bringing with we are getting pelted by sand it those damaging right now. over the past couple hours we've 110-mile-an-hour winds. >> joining us now, public also seen these rain squalls that have come through here and affairs specialist at nasa's kennedy space center, happeningy also you can see the choppy surf behind me. these are what we expect to be tropical storm force conditions over the coming hours as space center given the winds that are approaching. >> stephanie, last night around hurricane dorian still churns about a hundred miles offshore. 5:00, 120 people here at the even if the storm remains offshore these conditions could be dangerous. kennedy space center took
that's what local officials are shelter in the launch control telling residents. center here at the kennedy space there is a mandatory evacuation center. this is a hurricane hardened order in effect here in jensen beach. facility. it has been in effect since i'm standing right next to the yesterday. we're told about 1400 people window of firing room one which spent the night here in martin is the very window that mission county in emergency shelters. control managers were looking the shelters are considering whether to stay open another out when we launched apollo to the moon. this is a very, very hardened night. these conditions are expected to deteriorate throughout the facility against a hurricane. it can handle a cat 5. afternoon. here in florida we get the sense the 120 people are here to that now the track has shifted a bit to the north and the east monitor any damage that could and, you know, the concern is happen from hurricane dorian, as well as rapidly respond once whether it wobbles anymore again to the west but with it going it's safe to take care of any north and potentially now affecting more so the carolinas and georgia, some residents here hardware that may be in danger of being harmed. in florida are breathing a sigh of relief. so we've got electricians, very but again, local officials are warning people not to get specialized. we've got plumbers. complacent just yet. many of these coastal industrial hygienists who are communities are still shut down all here in this 120-person team with these mandatory evacuation ready to go to make sure the orders in place. already since yesterday more kennedy space center is safe. than a million people from and look at this glass. this glass is very thick. florida through the carolinas were ordered to evacuate. it's very strong. almost blast-proof, i would
so hurricane dorian even though it has weakened still poses an suppose. this is what we're behind. quite a view. incredible threat to parts of that's the door right behind me, the southeastern united states. bay three, where we post the again, here in florida, in mobile launcher on friday to protect it. jensen beach, you can see the that's for the artimus program surf conditions behind me which is going to send the first woman to the moon. continuing to get worse and >> so your structure is strong. we're expecting more rain and are you protected against heavier wind throughout the potential power outages? afternoon. do you generate your own power guys, back to you. or power in the vints goes out, >> gabe gutierrez in jensen do you suffer? beach, florida. >> now about 90 miles north joining us from cocoa beach, >> we have generator backup and florida msnbc's mariana atencio. if systems go down in another you have been down there for area, a quadrant are you have high value space hardware we can several days. every time we speak to you the winds seem stronger. what are things like now? move energy if possible, if it's >> reporter: steph, ali, look at safe. if not, if it knocks us out, we these waves over here over my have electricians who can go straight to that scene once the storm has cleared to get it back shoulder. that is high tide right now. this is a barrier island cocoa online. beach and we expect the weather >> daryl, good to talk to you. we thank you for the work you do gabe was experiencing to be coming this way. there. very valuable. >> stay safe. it is coming ever so slowly as >> nasa kennedy space center this storm is creeping up the coast and hugging the east coast public affairs specialist.
of the united states as it >> and we have some breaking news. likely makes its way to the we've been talking about how carolinas and georgia but this hurricane has pummeled the officials here are telling people, be vigilant. northern islands in the bahamas be alert. you don't want to be caught in for a total of 48 hours. that water or anywhere near it tonight when the storm comes and now we have an idea about the damage. this way or its effects rather. the salvation army reporting i want to bring in the mayor of that 13,000 homes in the bahamas cocoa beach. have been destroyed. i know right now you are at think about that. 13,000. level one activation here in the >> want to put up some of the city which is a barrier island, imagery we've seen. if you've been watching this by the way, guys. over the last couple of days, can you describe what that this number is astonishing, but means? >> basically all of our first it's not hard to imagine. responders and city staff are look at this video. here on 12-hour shifts. this is video taken by somebody we have full coverage for our city and we're just going to in freeport which, by the way, keep an eye out. didn't get anywhere close to the this is still a very dangerous worst of this thing. situation. luckily, i think we'll get this hurricane stayed over the spared the worst of it but we bahamas for more than 36 hours. have another high tide coming up at 12:00 and it's going to be at its worst, over pitch dark. 180-mile-an-hour winds. and depending on the storm sits and best 130 miles an hour. >> and many of these structures out here we'll have tropical have been rebuilt over the las storm force winds for 12 to 20 hours and in the next few hours hurricanes have hit the islands. we want people wherever you're going to be just please stay so they're new, safer structures inside and remain there until it's passed. and they didn't survive. >> reporter: talk to me about >> keep in mind, you can imagine the possibility of losing power on the island and how are you when a hurricane that takes
guys preparing for that? normally a few hours to get over >> yeah. i mean, that is a very real your area, you are dealing with possibility. so we have residents calling to sustained winds, 110, 125, 130 say they want to come back and miles an hour for a few hours we are saying, no, please don't and then it goes. come back yet. when you think about that you may not have power. sustained wind blowing on your house. obviously this will impact a lot >> a freight train for 48 hours. of our coast line and we have >> for 48 hours, what can literally 17,000 crew members sustain that? when you see the imagery. surrounding our state. they do a fantastic job getting this isn't the worst. us back on as quick as possible. you've seen cars toppled on top >> reporter: what are you expecting in the next couple of each other. hours here in this barrier cars up ended, homes completely island? this is between daytona and west palm beach. gone. >> what we're expecting you've seen how drowned out grand bahama island is. according to the weather forecast is literally tropical >> right there you see two and storm force winds for the next three-story structures are still 12 to 20 hours. standing. but with a storm surge of over lots of rain, certainly some 20 feet, and that is what we saw storm surge. as you can see behind us it's in grand bahama, in freeport, high tide now. and it's not even here yet. i'm afraid how far the water is that covers entire buildings, going to come in. homes. look at this. hopefully it's, the dunes will >> the official report is that protect us. >> mayor, talk to me about there are five dead and more shelters, hospitals. than 20 missing. >> so we have shelters open on but the devastation has been so great that i think there's a the mainland and we have them on sense they have not been able to our website city of cocoa get full -- been able to get out beach.com. >> no shelters on the barrier there and find out what's going on. >> there are communities that island. >> no shelters on the barrier
island. >> that is super important, have had their communication, if guys. if you or your family are on not cut off, at the very least these barrier islands there are compromised, and they don't know no shelters here you can go to. how those people are doing. >> if you're going to go you you mentioned earlier when we spoke to sam, as well as when we should go now before the winds spoke to the team from rubicon, pick up. after the winds reach 50 miles an hour we'll be inside and can't risk our first responders they said don't forget about medical facilities. either. when you lose power for a please be safe. our local hospital cape sustained amount of time, think canaveral is closed regional and about what's happening in medical facilities. >> we're looking at pictures from freeport, from grand melbourne hospitals are open but bahama. we want people to be safe. abaco is where it came in and -- >> tell me what makes this area >> we've seen nothing. so vulnerable. you have several bodies of water here, right, and a low lying area? >> yeah. >> look at grand bahama. four square miles surrounded by that's before the hurricane. below there is what's left now water. so we're very narrow, barrier and we have outlined the land in island. that is the beauty of it. yellow. you cannot see the land because it is a bautful place. it is entirely under water. the dangerous part is we're the airport is entirely under surrounded by water and it's water. this is the destruction to grand something to be concerned with with storm surge and flooding. bahama island which did not get >> reporter: thank you so much, the worst of the hurricane that mayor. i know you have a busy day hit the bahamas. ahead. it got the second worst. thank you for staying in touch. you guys, he said it. abaco island got the worst. this is a barrier island we don't have a similar picture surrounded by water and one of like that of abaco.
the important things and i'll >> many rescue teams haven't finish with this is the fact been able to get there. that the ground is already pretty saturated, right? forget the airports being under water and closed. that king tide is at 100%. when you have a storm that is boats can't get there and just going to dump water on top helicopters cannot land with the winds what they've been. >> keep in mind that's what's of this area you have to seek shelter and be careful. going to need the help. do not take it lightly. we're looking at southeast back to you. florida and georgia and the >> thanks for your great carolinas. but we are going to need assistance there. we have u.s. resources positioned immediately to help reporting. >> joining us now is nbc's own the bahamas right now. but over the course of the next al roker. few days, that's going to be welcome. tell us where is this thing headed at this point? >> it is starting to make its way up the coast. ali, when we talked yesterday it thanks for watching. was pretty much stationary and chris jansing picks up our now it's finally made a move. over 24 hours it moved about 12 coverage. it's 11:00 a.m. out west, miles and as you can see to 2:00 p.m. out east. hurricane dorian is on the move towards the u.s. coast. now a category 2 hurricane but mariana's point we are now still a massive and slow-moving seeing tropical force winds coming from melbourne, fort storm. dorian is estimated 100 miles pierce, west palm beach and even east of florida. close to it down in miami as the storm is expected to spare this system progresses. florida from a direct hit but so let's take a look at the batter it with wind, rain and latest location. flooding as it moves up the category 2 storm.
110 miles east of fort pierce, florida. that is important because the atlantic coastline. tropical force winds extend out the states bracing for possible landfall in the coming days. we're also getting a first real 175 miles from the center of sense of the destruction in the that storm. bahamas. it is moving northwest at 3 five people confirmed dead. thousands of homes in ruins. m les per hour and so downtown grand bahama i west palm beach all the way to just east of charleston. we have tropical storm warnings inland. and that speaks to the idea that extending away from the coast line and further inland. so we'll be watching that very closely all the way to cape hatteras we have hurricane watches up. those will probably be upgraded as we get through the next 24 hours. by thursday at 8:00 a.m. just off charleston, by friday at 8:00 a.m. off cape hatteras. let's bring in the american and european models. they are very closely
intertwined until we get to north carolina. here you see the blue line. that's the american model. much closer. maybe a landfall sometime late thursday early friday. the european model is a little bit slower, maybe sometime friday morning. so again, we may see landfall in wilmington and again at cape hatteras as a category 2 storm but don't pay attention to the category because look at this. as we said, hurricane force winds are out. 60 miles from the center. 175 miles for tropical force winds. so this afternoon from melbourne to west palm beach we have tropical force winds. and the counterclockwise direction is the storm surge that brings, those winds push that water and pile it up against theh. as we get into wednesday it is now kingsland, savannah, up into charleston, again, counterclockwise, kind of a bowl that will collect that water as
it moves up into thursday. wilmington starts to get involved as well. and as we move into friday, we're still talking about the carolinas and the coastal barrier islands, part of that storm surge. here's what we expect. this week the potential of high tides coming up, or this afternoon, and then again tonight around midnight we've got the potential for 6 to 9 feet of storm surge from daytona beach all the way to myrtle beach and cape hatteras as well. and anywhere from 6 to about 9 feet of storm surge on top of a high tide already. >> wilmington to moorhead, north carolina kind of where florence made landfall last year. also a little hard to track. >> and that's why we don't want people to pay attention to the category. pay attention to what these effects are. we're talking about tropical force winds and, again, as gabe gutierrez pointed out. if you get a wobble because this thing is moving very slowly.
we're talking -- it is still moving -- i can walk faster than that. maybe not. but moving northwest at 3 miles per hour so that is a slow mover and a chance for tons of water to get piled up against the shore line. >> a slow mover isn't a positive. >> no. >> can you help us understand this in a little more detail? in the last day you see the headlines. it has stalled out. it's not moving. people take that as a, whew. i guess it's not coming and that's not the case. >> that is the danger. usually when these things are moving, we've seen them usually 10, 12, 13 miles per hour. this is 3 miles per hour so it is a slow crawl and that allows those winds and we keep, in fact, let me show you something. we've got a graphic here about the possibility of power outages. first of all, rainfall as well. we're talking somewhere, anywhere from daytona beach all the way to cape hatteras 5 to 7 inches but could be upwards of a foot if this thing continues
to move at that pace. we expect it to move faster but maybe not. this is a power outage forecast. we're talking widespread to extensive possibility of power outages, potential for 4 million people without power. and then you continue on up the georgia coast line, into the carolinas. remember, lots of leaves still on the trees. there's the potential for a lot of power lines to come down because of downed trees, downed power lines, all the way to cape hatteras. again, that just adding to the misery of storm surge and as we know, the most deaths occur into the storm surge. >> the only good news is i drove from orlando up to savannah on saturday. i saw hundreds of those power trucks repositioning all around so they're staged. there is an army. it's a great, cooperative effort that they come in from all over
the country. they just head toward where the disaster is so the minute they can get into recovery and get those power lines up they move at it as fast as possible. >> when people are told to evacuate and they don't, it's serious. >> that's right. a lot of these barrier islands shut down the bridges. once you get above 35 miles per hour they shut the bridges down so you have to shelter in place and wait. and if it is a slow mover this could be as the mayor mentioned you could be talking about 20 hours of just coming down. >> before anybody can come out to rescue you, put your power back and all that stuff. thank you as always. >> all right, guys. >> al roker. >> we talked a lot last year that there are people who can't move particularly on a slow moving storm where you thought it was going to be less, getting out there, filling your car with two extra tanks of gas and paying for hotel rooms and food it is money some people don't have. >> and on one side it's sunny or maybe just windy. people say, sure. better safe than sorry but maybe i can't afford to be safe. we can't impress upon people enough this is serious.
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slowly starting to exit the northern bahamas with maximum sustained winds of 110 miles per hour. >> still, huge. dorian first struck the bahamas as a deadly category 5 hurricane on sunday. it continued to batter the island nation through this morning. at least five people are dead. there are many injuries on the island. joining us from nassau, bahamas is nbc's morgan chesky. it's finally cleared up where you are enough so that rescue and recovery can begin? >> reporter: ali, steph, that is exactly right. fortunately the coast guard has been able to conduct missions as of yesterday evening going nonstop making runs to the hard hit abaco island and bringing the injured back to nassau where they are taken to hospitals for much needed medical care. a coast guard chopper just flew over us and a team of four are working in conjunction to make
sure people still trapped on abaco island are able to get off and get here as fast as possible. still they have their work cut out for them. we know when dorian hit abaco it had wind gusts upwards of 225 miles an hour and a sustained wind of about 175 miles an hour. meanwhile the storm surge was more than two stories high flattening a lot of buildings in the area. when we arrived here -- another chopper taking off right now -- you can see this is one of the volunteer helicopters. there is no military marking on that. there was another helicopter similar to that one a short time ago that took off from here and they were an outfit called fountainebleau aviation based out of miami. when i yelled through the fence at the pilot as he got inside he said yeah we came down here to help and do whatever we could because everyone knows just how hard the blams gahamas got hit. one of the officials tells me the injuries they're seeing from the people arriving are tough. a lot of head trauma, cuts, bruises, broken bones.
we do know a lot of people sought shelter in a clinic in marsh harbour on abaco island and inside that clinic there were several pregnant women and people who suffered from diabetes. they were able to get here safely, get to a nearby hospital, and see doctors. in the meantime amidst all of this happening because dorian is such a slow moving hurricane there is still rain falling on grand bahama where more than 50,000 people, some of which are still seeking shelter from this storm. that's where flooding is one of the biggest concerns. the airport is still under water and the police station flooded and will likely remain so as the water is just sitting in the low lying areas. the prime minister had a chance to fly over some of the damage in abaco today and he says that it is simply devastating. we do expect an update from government officials later today. but today is the first day that really the search and recovery mission has gotten started in ernest and will be going for some time. >> morgan, thank you for your reporting from there.
let's j uft takeust take a look images from grand bahama not abaco which may be in worse shape. the top image is before the storm. easy to see where shoreline is dot. that's what grand bahama looked like before the storm. now look at after bottom. they have outlined in yellow whereali, just think about this. when you think about these islands, where are they most populated? obviously on the coast where there are homes, restaurants. that's where there are hotels. and the fact that it is completely under water, you know, morgan was talking about the coast guard only in the last few hours have they been able to make it from nassau to grand bahama to abaco so, yes. we know that there were five deaths but the amount of people still in need, power lost, houses, completely under water. look at that image one more
time. >> let's just look at the difference between what was and what is. all of that outlined in yellow is what used to be land. there is no land. it's covered. >> you mean three days ago. >> three days ago. on friday that was land. and today it's under water. now it's unclear how much erosion has taken place, how much will be about water receding but the airport completely under water. when morgan said completely under water he didn't mean a little flooded. that is a satellite image. >> it's under water. >> we'll continue to follow this. it is worth noting for people who don't sort of know the history of the bahamas the bahamas was populated by british loyalists from america who went there, many with slaves. in many cases those are the people, there are other people who came in, who descended into the current population of bahamas so the tie between the united states and bahamas aside from being physically very close is very strong. that's why we were very quick to put coast guard and marines in position to help out there and the national guard and we will
be continuing to help. >> without a doubt. joining us now from west palm beach, florida, where the winds are picking up, give us an update. >> reporter: ali and stephanie, while this storm hurricane dorian has been weakened to a category 2, this is the threat that officials are still concerned about. this is the storm surge threat. you can see the water right here creeping up on to the beach. we were just here on this beach yesterday. if you see those rocks back there, i could have stood on those rocks, no problem, yesterday. but these 15-foot waves are encroaching on to the beach, providing an issue and a potential threat for beach erosion here. you could see that the rain and the wind is picking up. those are the tropical storm force winds. and this ocean water just washing right up to the beach. and just beyond where our cameras are sitting this is where there are condos, plenty of people who live hear on palm beach island had to evacuate. they're hoping they will be allowed to return here, possibly
tomorrow. but this is why officials are apprehensive about letting people back on to this barrier island. it is such a thin barrier island that would hopefully absorb some of the effects of this storm. but they're keeping an eye on this storm surge that could pose, could add an additional 3 to 5 feet of water here in palm beach and even if it doesn't reach those levels here in palm beach, this is what officials are concerned about reaching all the way up the florida coast. cocoa beach, daytona beach, into jacksonville. so this is what we're going to be monitoring even as this storm continues to weaken. >> simone, thank you, in west palm beach simone boyce. breaking news from the world's largest retailer, walmart just announced a massive discontinuation of gun sales including all sales of short barrel rifle ammunition that can be used with military style weapons like the ar-15s that have been used in pretty much every mass killing we've
reported on in the last several years. all sales of handgun ammunition. all sales of handguns in alaska which is an open carry state, one of the places they were selling handguns. >> the move follows nationwide outrage after two mass shootings at walmart stores that took place this summer. ali, this is a massive move. if you consider what an enormous retailer walmart is, what an enormous employer it is. and we can sit here in a newsroom and say this is a very clear cut issue. it's not a clear cut issue. gun culture is a really important part of america. >> right. >> and walmart sees more of america than any other business in this country. >> without a doubt. to see doug mcmillan the current ceo sort of stand up and step up at a time like this is a massive move. >> so just keep in mind if you were starting a retailer today, you wouldn't populate it with guns because there are other things that are just higher margin, better business. but when you already sell guns and you want to try and restrict them it causes -- the nra i'm
sure momentarily will come out with a statement criticizing this -- but walmart is not actually probably going to hurt their bottom line to sell fewer guns and ammunition because they can sell other things they sell more of. >> walmart sells so many products but the question will be, it might not hurt them to lose out in gun sales but will it hurt them with their customer base that didn't want this change. we know from ed stack the ceo of dick's sporting goods, he made a decision to stop selling assault style rifles and in a huge portion of their stores stop selling guns completely. it impacted their business. with walmart, they are a bigger retailer in a bigger swath of the country. a very big move. >> we'll continue to follow the fallout from that. up next we'll be live in california for the latest on the deadly boat fire that killed dozens of people. we have new information from the coast guard about the search for survivors. you are watching "velshi and ruhle" live on msnbc. this is your wake-up call. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis,
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bodies have been recovered and more are still being recovered from the wreckage. they spoke at a news conference just moments ago. >> an additional 16 victims were located in yesterday afternoon's efforts and were brought back to our coroner's bureau. this makes in total 20 victims who have been recovered and transported to our coroner's bureau. thus far the victims have only been identified as 11 female and nine male remains. there were several other victims that were seen by the divers somewhere between four and six that are still within the wreckage. >> the diving boat was carrying 33 passengers and six crew members when a deadly fire broke out early monday morning, trapping passengers below decks. >> joining us now msnbc news
correspondent blayne alexander. quite a 24 hours this has been. now that authorities are no longer looking for survivors, where does the investigation go? >> well, stephanie and ali, that is exactly it. we've learned really tragic news as we kind of listened to these developments from the news conference which is still ongoing right now that it is no longer a search and rescue it is now search and recovery. there is no evidence there are any additional survivors. so we know there are still people, still people who are unaccounted for, about nine people. so divers now have the very difficult task of trying to get inside the remains of that boat and it's a very difficult task because, remember, this boat is now under water. it's submerged in about 62 feet of water, upside down, and it is very unstable. you've got shifting currents that are moving it all around. divers, more than 24 hours later, have not been able to get inside. in fact, during that briefing you heard the officials say that they have seen evidence of victims still inside. but they just haven't been able
to get to them. that's what they're working on today. we know there are crews out there right now working on that. one thing we did learn, guys. you see the devastating images of the fire right there. this was a very, very hot fire. in fact, you heard them speak to that during the briefing and they said, that's why so many of the victims are going to have to be identified using dna only because that is going to be really the only true way to identify some of these victims. >> blayne, thank you. blayne alexander in oxnard, california. right now down in florida residents are bracing for hurricane dorian. we'll be speaking to the mayor of daytona beach on how his community is preparing for the heavy winds, rain, and potentially devastating storm surge. we'll also look at how climate change is creating more frequent and more powerful hurricanes. you're watching "velshi and ruhle" on a very busy news day right here on msnbc. being... you should be mad at airports. excuse me, where is gate 87? you should be mad at non-seasoned travelers.
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welcome back to "velshi and ruhle." we are tracking hurricane dorian as the monster category 2 storm slowly creeps its way toward florida. right now dorian is exiting the northern bahamas after battering the area for a total of 48 straight hours with extreme flooding and powerful winds. >> forecasters say dorian could cause devastating storm surges as it inches closer to the southeastern united states. now, today floridians are on edge, bracing for what could be
a catastrophic event as dorian barrels toward their state. there is still no way to be sure exactly which direction the storm will go. >> it's difficult for forecasters to predict exactly what will happen here along the coast. >> get out now while you have time, while there is fuel available. and you'll be safe on the roads. >> even when it gets to the georgia/south carolina line at this point, it's still predicted to be a category 3, which is a major hurricane. >> the initial reports from abaco are that the devastation is unprecedented and extensive. >> far beyond anything we've ever imagined or ever experienced. >> oh, my god. >> what's your biggest fear right now as a dad? >> my biggest fear right now is
my son's safety. >> this is happening. it's as if we're fighting a war with the enemy having all of the weapons at its disposal and we have absolutely nothing. we are hopeless. the only thing we have to us is god so we can pray to god and ask god to bring us through. >> what a sentiment. it's like we're fighting a war and the enemy has all the weapons. all we have are prayers. >> joining us by phone now from daytona beach, florida is mayor henry. good to talk to you again. mandatory evacuation orders are now under way in your city. talk to me about the preparations being undertaken in daytona beach. >> well, as you said, mandatory evacuations on our beach side as well as any place where you have mobile homes. we've done all that we feel we can do at this time as a municipality to prepare for it, pumping down retention ponds, cleaning out gutters, preparing our drains, because the number
one problem with the storm of this nature as it's currently projected is the rain and the water. so we want folks to continue to be vigilant on the beach side and be prepared for the water. >> what have you learned from past hurricanes that has hopefully better prepared you for today? >> as i said before, the water and the flooding, the inability for people to be as mobile as normal, so we are continuing to try to be prepared for that after the winds that have subsided. you still want folks to be vigilant because a lot of times as it relates to things like generator use, there's just so much that goes into a storm and into preparation. you have to stay vigilant until all danger has subsided. >> mayor, i spent hurricane florence in daytona beach last year, and your folks and your authorities seem to be well prepared to handle this and we will stay close to you as this
goes on. mayor henry of daytona beach, florida. as hurricane dorian moves ever so slowly away from the bahamas, we want to again show you that side by side or top to bottom photo we showed you earlier today. on the top is satellite imagery of what bahamas, the grand bahama island looked like before the hurricane. i want to point you to this. that is the international airport. morgan chesky told us it is under water right now. let me show you this bottom picture now. he wasn't kidding when he said under water. grand bahama island is so under water that in fact we've had to outline in yellow all of those things that used to be land in grand bahama island that is now water. so you can see that the island is now -- it looks like less than half of the territory of what was grand bahama island is now actually above water. that's how dangerous this is. dorian planted itself as you know on top of these islands and this gives you some impression of the massive power of these
storms. they are remaking coast lines as they roll through and as rescue and recovery crews work to reach these islands, stephanie spoke with one man in freeport this morning who spoke to me yesterday about what he is experiencing. >> this is completely unprecedented, completely unnatural. i don't know horsepower w to de this other than in the middle of a climate emergency. nothing like this has ever been seen before. there are people who have been through cat 5s, cat 4s, cat 3s and no one really has no explanation or way of grounding this experience compared to anything they've gone tlhrough before. >> some sort of climate emergency. joining us now is founder of our daily planet and former deputy administrator for the national oceanic and atmospheric administration which is where we get this information. if anybody knows about this stuff he was talking about, this
climate emergency, your organization did. the government does. the military in the united states does. there is something to what these people are saying that the intensity and frequency of the high intensity storms has changed. >> it has, ali. thanks for having me on, ali and stephanie. it is definitely a big change from the time even when i was administrator. and when you look at the numbers, they just don't lie. the last three years have seen five category 5 hurricanes and 13 since the year 2000 which is more than one-third of what we've seen in all of keeping the records on these storms. >> so people who would like to say that's not correct often point out the fact that there are lots of hurricanes. there always were lots of hurricanes. people who study climate as you do understand that we're not saying that climate change or the warming of the oceans has created more hurricanes. it's the intensity. >> exactly. it is not that any one storm is caused by climate change. it's that they're made much worse by climate change. we've written about this
repeatedly at "our daily planet" as study after study has shown the storms are getting worse and the reasons are because of the increased wind speeds, because of the higher storm surge, and the increased rainfall. when i think about how this storm is behaving, it reminds me a lot of hurricane harvey that sat over houston for days and days. and as a result, 30,000 people were homeless, made homeless by that storm. and you've talked about it already on your show. the devastation, the destruction is disproportionately impacting front line communities and the people who can least with stand this kind of disruption in their life. >> let's talk about those front line communities. what can we do about the dangers? presidential candidate andrew yang says, well, time to just pack up and move to higher ground. that is easier said than done. >> much easier said than done. we need to know where the problem sites are. where are the soft spots? where do we have critical infrastructure? where do we have bridges and
roads that are important for our evacuation purposes? where do we have trailer parks? in hurricane andrew way back in the '90s that was one of the most devastating places where people lost their lives was in those trailer parks. so we need to know where those soft spots are and we need to figure out how to move those people. in some cases, it's even the opposite. in miami, neighborhoods are being overtaken by wealthier people, lower income neighborhoods, who are moving to higher ground and moving those lower income residents out and pushing them back into the places that are most dangerous. >> monica, thank you for joining us and thanks for the work you do. the founder of our daily planet and former principal deputy administrator at noaa. don't forget join us september 19th and 20th for msnbc's climate forum 2020 in partnership with georgetown university and our daily planet. chris hayes and i are going to hear from presidential candidates including michael bennett, cory booker, pete buttigieg, john delaney, tim
ryan, bernie sanders, tom steyer, bill weld, marian williamson, and andrew yang. >> as hurricane dorian heads toward the united states mainland fema of course is gearing up to respond. joining us now is the agency's deputy associate administrator for response and recovery. david, how is fema preparing for a storm that isn't going away and is creeping up toward us slowly but closer and closer? >> that's right. dorian remains a dangerous storm that is perilously close to the southeastern coast of the united states. some very heavily populated areas. that's why in support of our state and local counterparts fema has taken aggressive action to preposition teams and resources like ambulances and food, water, communications equipment, so that we can be sure to help the state and local officials meet the needs that may emerge after dorian passes. >> can you talk to me about this money we talked about just last week before the storm that the
administration had redirected from fema, $155 million, that has been sent to the southern border? tell me how this -- does this come into your world at all? >> well, so fema's disaster relief fund is the primary source of funding that we use to support disaster operations. the fund, itself, is in a fairly strong position with more than $25 billion in balances. and right now there is nothing holding us back from prepositioning the resources that we think the states and local officials may need if dorian does indeed have significant impacts. >> dorian has left parts of the bahamas in absolute devastation. what sort of recovery do you think is needed and what will be fema's part? >> well, our hearts definitely go out to the bahamians, the imagery coming out of there is pretty devastating. our friends in the united states coast guard have deployed resources and we've seen reporting that they're
conducting rescues in support of the bahamian government and of course the state department and u.s. agency for international development will be the federal leads for supporting the bahamas. but the imagery also reminds us here state side just how powerful this storm is. how seriously we have to take this storm. not become complacent, remain vigilant. follow the instructions of state and local officials especially as it relates to evacuations. if you're ordered to evacuate, heed that instruction and get out. >> david, thanks for joining us. fema deputy associate administrator for response and recovery. we appreciate your time. coming up next we are watching hurricane dorian as it is making its way closer to the southeastern coast. we'll speak with an official from nasa about how it's responding to dorian. you are watching "velshi and ruhle" right here on msnbc. look at that image. wow.
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