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that will do it for me this hour. ally vari velshi is back. >> nice to see you. any effort to prevent them from talking with congress including state department employees is illegal and will constitute evidence of obstruction of the impeachment imkwiry. we have just heard that from congressman eliot engel, adam schiff, and elijah cummings, all chairs of committees leading the impeachment inquiry. their letter is in response to a letter from mike pompeo who told congressman engel, the chairman of the house committee, quote, i'll use all means at my disposal to prevent and expose the dedicated professionals who i am proud to lead and serve.
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he went on to accuse house democrats of bullying house officials to testify about the ukraine scandal, but pom peay owe w-- pompeo was not the only one defending tweets. president trump demanded an opportunity to interview the whistle-blower and people who spoke to the whistle-blower. this all comes as a new monmouth university poll shows that 44% of americans feel that the president should be impeached and removed from office. that is up from 35% in august. and a new cnbc poll shows that the president's approval rating has dropped to 37%. that is the lowest level of his presidency in that survey. now, as president trump and his allies fight back against the house impeachment inquiry, we're learning more just how far this administration is willing to goed a finding information aimed at discrediting the russian investigation.
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it's been confirmed he asked the british prime minister for his help. this is getting to be a lot of the keep track of, but fortunately i've got hans nichols to help me at the white house. good to see you. let's start with a couple of steps ago. earlier today secretary of state pompeo sent a letter saying this is bullying and it's an effort to intimidate state department employees to call these five state department employees to testify about ukraine. >> and he all but ruled out entirely any cooperation. he did have a few caveats. he said, number one, there wasn't a subpoena. he also said there wasn't enough time. and he krushlily wants white house or administration attorneys present along with the private attorneys of those five individuals. it's clearly a signal, though,
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al a ali, that the administration is going to slow walk this. it's similar to what they did when they called don mchahn. they're coming up with legal arguments for why not to have people testify. it's a pretty clear strategy. this is the first formalized strategy in response to the trump impeachment. it's similar to congress investigating them. i would say it's in stark contrast to the mueller investigation. that was cooperate, produce document, go along. you remember don mcgahn sat down with the mueller team. a different strategy for a different investigative body, but when you tuck to officials here, ali, you get the sense they thought mueller was much more of an existential threat. there isn't the panic in the white house at least as it relates to providing these additional documents. there's been concern about the initial response but it doesn't seem like it's the same level it
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was during the mueller investigation. ali? >> hans nichols, thanks very much, hans nichols at the white house. rudy giuliani is said to have gotten help to find information on joe biden and his son hunter. according to white house documents president trump urged ukrainian president zelensky to work with attorney general william barr. he had a chance to ask president zelensky face-to-face if he's ever had contact with rudy giuliani. >> were you ever approached by or meet with rudy giuliani? >> never. never had any phone calls with him. >> the news broke in this hour yesterday that house democrats have subpoenaed giuliani for documents and other information relating to his activities in ukraine. lawmakers have also asked for information on three of
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giuliani's ukrainian american associates. nbc's matt bradley joins us now from the ukrainian capital of kiev. good to see you. how are names that i mentioned, namgs that our viewers are not familiar with, what does congress hope to learn from them? >> reporter: these are three new names we're probably going to be hearing about for the next several weeks. the first two are more well known and it's clear why they were subpoenaed. they're basically known as florida businessmen, known as florida fixers. while all three were born in the soviet union, they spent all of their adult lives in the united states. they're all american citizens. but they all have enough contacts here in ukraine to peek
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juli giuliani's interest. they were making a lot of donations in order to try to secure contracts to export gas to ukraine that. was their business. it seems that giuliani knew they would have those connections here in the ukraine. they introduced giuliani it sounds like to no fewer than three prosecutors, successive prosecutors. the third man, siemian kislian, he has a long relationship with giuliani. he came to the aid of donald trump back in the 1990s when one of donald trump's casinos in atlantic city seemed to be in financial jeopardy. he kind of helped him out a bit. it wasn't entirely clear what that relationship was like or what his relationship was like
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with giuliani where it seems like most of that was financing his mayoral campaigns. remember he was mayor of new york before he came so close to the trump administration some of he has a very longstanding connection with rudy giuliani and standing republicans. these subpoenas, they beget more subpoenas. so we have these three fresh new names. we're going to be hearing a lot of new ukrainian names coming out as the democrats continue their effort to impeach the president. >> matt bradley in kiev. thank you, matt. congress is supposed to be on recess, but there's no break for the intelligence committee as they gain interest in it. the house intelligence committee is leading the committee. congressman, good to see you. >> thank you, ali. >> you know, there's a whole
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bunch of places we want to talk about. let's start with the rudy giuliani stuff we were just talking to matt about. rudy giuliani had said that he's not responding to this -- or he's responded to this subpoena by suggesting that he's going to think about it. i remember a tame when if you got a subpoena from the house, you went. there wasn't really an option. >> yeah. and i think that in this particular case, it's obviously up to chairman schiff, our chairman, as to how he's going to enforce these subpoenas, but, you know, in this particular case, we're in an impeachment inquiry, and so any attempt to obstruct the pursuit of justice would be an obstruction of an impeachment inquiry in this case and would invite an inference that the documents actually are consistent with the whistle-blower complaint.
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>> and there are a lot of questions. martha raddatz of abc was interviewing secretary of state mike pompeo. let's listen to part of that interview. >> he pressed the ukrainian president eight times to ask about joe biden's son. what do you know about those conversations? >> you gave me a report about a whistle-blower complaint, none of which i've seen. >> you just gave me a complaint about a whistle-blower complaint that i have never seen. he was on that fophone call. >> yeah. he's a witness. the president appears to be pressuring the ukrainian president, compromising america for political gain and he's using military and foreign aid
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as leverage. mike pompeo might be a witness to that. >> even if he weren't in on that phone call, he was named in that memo of that transcript, which would also make him materially important. >> exactly. that's why it's all the more disturbing. he may have further knowledge of those allegations of using foreign aid as leverage to pressure the ukrainian leader. >> i don't know what your relationship was with come puello in congress, but he must understand oversight. mike pompeo has responded with a letter to congress to say this attempt to get people to testify can be understood only as an attempt to bully and mistreat people including foreign officers of whom the committee is now targeting. it's loaded language. we have a system in which people are invite or compelled to
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testify before congress to get testimony that is in the public interest, but when you use the language of targeting and intimidating and bullying, it signals something else. >> yeah, it does. i think at this point what he is setting up is some kind of showdown. i hope chairman schiff does what he has to get him to comply with our request. obviously a subpoena would be next. if that's what it takes to get these witnesses to appear, then i think we would with very supportive of that effort. and, again, mr. pompeo should know just like mr. giuliani that any attempt to gprevent these witnesses is subject to an impeachment inquiry. >> we would get the subpoena, show up, get the necessary
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counsel, and do what you have to do. the testimony of cory luanndy ski is an example of the lengths trump's allies will go to to not treat the body as a sort of governance. >> let's take the counterpoint. you have mr. maguire's subpoena last week. we weren't sure we were going to get the whistle-blower complaint, the inspector squlen real report, or mr. maguire appearing on capitol hill. as soon as we put the inquiry down, people listened. because i think what they're listening is, okay, we can obstruct but our obstruction would potentially become a charge as part of the impeachment inquiry, so it might be better to comply. i would think right now i would respectfully suggest they should comply and produce the evidence necessary for us to complete our investigation. the american people are watching. there's intense interest.
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public sentiment has been shifting, and i think it would be better for them to comply. >> thank you for joining us. coming up another democratic lawmaker weighs in on how her party so working to get people onboard in those crucial swing districts. but first new details are coming out about president trump asking the prime minister of australia to help bill barr to discredit the mueller probe. you're watching msnbc. you're watching msnbc. granted. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ no cover-up spray here. cheaper aerosols can cover up odors in a flowery fog. but febreze air effects eliminates odors. with a 100% natural propellent. it leaves behind a pleasant scent you'll love. [deep inhale] freshen up. don't cover up. febreze.
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they're welling go in the russian investigation. nbc news has confirmed a "new york times" report found that president trump asked for more. the justice department said in a statement, quote, u.s. attorney joan durham is investigating the origins of the u.s. counterintelligence probe of the trump 2016 campaign. the statement goes on to say, at attorney general barr's request the president has contacted other countries to ask them to introduce the attorney general and mr. durham to appropriate officials. the australian government has always been ready to assist and cooperate with efforts that help shed further light on the matters under investigation. the fbi's investigation was triggered in part by a tip from an australian diplomat who said
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former trump campaign policy adviser george papadopoulos told him in may 2016 that russia stole thousands of emails that could be dakking to hillary clinton. joining us now to take a closer look at this is one of the reporters who broke the story and clint watts, msnbc security analyst who was a former fbi agent and he's a screen yore fellow at the foreign policy research institute. let me start with you. tell me what you know that we didn't know. >> what we learned is president trump just before prime minister morrison came to the united states for a dinner hi called and said would you call for a review why my own campaign was surveyed here in the united states. it was interesting because it was treated with secrecy and the same consideration that we've now learned that white house officials have treated with some of president trump's other conversations which made people wonder why and also we know now
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that australia back in may had already told president trump by sending a letter back to the u.s. government through mick mulvaney had already sent a letter back to president trump that they would, of course, cooperate. we wondered why he would have to ask again in september. >> katie, what part is unusual? if donald trump were not part of that investigation, would a president ask another member of the state for help, would that in and of itself be unusual? >> no. i think it ooh's good thing that many former department officials have said certainly presidents in the past have made the sorts of political introductions necessary for law enforcement to get its work done including information from international sources, but what is different, you're right, is one, this review seems very personal for the president. he's sort of spoken about it in a way he would suggest he thinks
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it's some sort of exoneration and it's a way for him to pursue people as public enemies, people who have decided to investigate him in the first place. it's unusual, too, because we see the president's conversation being treated with some carefulness that perhaps we have not seen before with other presidents and you have to ask yourself why that is. >> clint, there's another aspect to this. there's an investigation as to how the muller report was started. focuses on the fbi, an institution that the president has often treated as his adversary. the messaging sent -- every country has its internal disputes, but this takes this to a different level. the president is sort of saying why don't you help us investigate our fbi. >> and they would say we did, which is why we contacted you in
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may of 2016 and gave you this tip. the whole point is fbi was investigating a breach into the d and c, all of these different targets. this was a huge tip. it was like maybe russia has these emails. we would be upset with them if they didn't followup on it. the second part that's odd is you're going back to someone, australia or out to ukraine or other countries and saying, hey, i would like you to get into this giant mess we have in our own country which is about supporting me and my personal public enemies, but we don't know how long the president will be there. so if you're the foreign government you would say, why would i want to be stepped into your giant mess in your country and then be counterattacked. >> saying you helped president trump. >> exactly. >> there's a lot of americans who don't understand why we're even doing this. this has a feeling of being not
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just as katie said the fact that donald trump is involved in it because it's about his campaign, but the affect of this investigation itself feels a little politically motivated. >> yes. i don't understand it. from the president's perspective, it would seem he got the outcome he wanted. you could quickly move on and focus on your agenda, your popularity is going up in the country, the markets are doing well, you're on pace maybe to be re-elected, but instead you double down and bring back up what has already become a massively divisive issue in our country, you're polarizing two camps against each other, you're tearing the country apart, ail yen nating allies, breaking up the public and fbi and around the world so that authoritarians can have their way. it's a disaster all the way around. i don't see the logic in it. there's no upside for the country or for the president. i don't know why you would make this maneuver.
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>> katie, where is this inquiry with john durham? where do we stand with this inquiry? we haven't heard a lot about it. >> because it focuses on gathering information from other countries, they're pretty nascent. bill barr last week was in italy with government officials trying to collect information from italians and we know he was with john durham. we know he've contacted the uk, australia, and president trump from the readout of the call asked them to police cooperate with the durham review some of we know the international investigation is under way but nowhere near complete and we know john durham and his team have spoken to people at the fbi, but they've not officially spoken with and done interviews with folks at the cia, which would be necessary to complete this review. so i would say they're not near completion. >> katie benner, thank you, and clint watts. coming up, a former dallas
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police officer is convicted of murder in the shooting death of her unarmed neighbor in his own home. we're live at the courthouse after the break. but first the co-chair of the house democratic policy and communications committee congresswoman deborah dingle wants to move forward quickly. you're watching msnbc g msnbfromc toothbrush. . electric could lead to way cleaner teeth. she said, get the one inspired by dentists, with a round brush head. go pro with oral-b. oral-b's gentle rounded brush head removes more plaque along the gum line. for cleaner teeth and healthier gums. and unlike sonicare, oral-b is the first electric toothbrush brand accepted by the ada for its effectiveness and safety. what an amazing clean! i'll only use an oral-b! oral-b. brush like a pro.
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ahead into launching an impeachment inquiry on president trump, they've issued subpoenas for two of the president's men, secretary of state mike pompeo and the president's personal attorney former new york city mayor rudy giuliani. pompeo tweeted today the house democrats are bullying people into testifying and there's an indication he might staal as to meeting deadlines. as for rudy giuliani, it's unknown if he'll comply, telling bc news he hasn't yet made a decision about whether to cooperate. joining me now to talk about the democrats' next steps is michigan congresswoman debbie dingell, co-chair of the house
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committee. debbie, thanks for being with us. >> good to see you. >> the other day when we were talking about this, we were talking about how these things would go and making reference to how it would work when richard nixon was president. there's a lot of stonewalling going on at every level. before this impeachment inquiry ramped up into what it is now with the overwhelming support of the democratic caucus, these hearings didn't quite materialize the way a lot of members of congress would have wanted it to. how do you see this unfolding given all the attempts to block the inquiry? >> i think that it is very important to understand why so many democrats came out in the last couple of weeks for this inquiry, and i can tell you i have spent a lot of time in parts of my district that supported president trump last time, and they understand that a whistle-blower -- they don't quite understand what a
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whistle-blower is, but they understand he expressed an concern that an inspector general appointed by president trump said it is credible, it is real, and it could be urgent, and they want the facts, and they're not -- a lot of them aren't prejudging. i've had a couple of people yell at me, but they're worried about our national security and they're asking questions and trying to understand. they could run the danger of being held in contempt of congress. >> so before you had decide you wanted to support an inquiry, one of the concerns you had expressed that was shared by a lot of members of congress is that this would overshadow legislative activities, overshadow things that a lot of people voted for democrats to do. how do you square that now. >> well, i have two issues.
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i continue to worry about how divided we are as a country, but i don't think we can be divided under the rule of law, and that's an important part. but i was doing a town hall meeting right before i came here, and i told the people there i had two jobs. these are seniors worried about their prescription drug prices, that the committees had jurisdiction overlooking into and investigating the facts, following the facts were going to do their job and i was going to do my job. i'm on the committee that's got the responsibility of lowering drus prices. i have uaw workers walking the picket line that i'm going to go join after this interview who are worried about those trade deals. we can do both and we must do both. >> let me ask you. you mentioned the uaw workers. they're in their 16th day. they're on union pay, a third of what they're earning. it's costing general motors a lot of money. how does this end?
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workers are frustrated that they're not sharing in the general motors' wealth after everything that happened when the carmakers were on the ropes and gm's worried if it gives the union what it wants, it won't be competitive. >> i think it's important that people understand we do need to make sure we've got competitive manufacturing in this country, but a lot of these workers are out there fighting for each other. there are temporary workers that are working for the company for three years. they're working seven days a week. that i don't get overtime on saturdays and sundays. they're doing the exact same job and being paid significantly less than the person next to them on that assembly line. there is a father of a 2-year-old who is a temporary whose son had to have surgery. he couldn't get time off for the surgery and ultimately his son died and he had one day off for the son's funeral. those are the kinds of things we're fighting for.
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we've got to remember, this is about workers' values right now too. we need a strong manufacturing base, but we need a level playing field for the workers, and our workers aren't on a level playing field when gm puts a blazer plant in mexico and pays $1.58 an hour. that's not a level playing field. >> and i think everybody can understand that doesn't feel fair, but what do you do to make american manufacturing more competitive? this is the quandary we're in, right? this is the thing that donald trump ran on, that bernie sanders ran on. what do you do to square this thing? >> we have to have trade deals. i have told the president trump i would work with him on trade deals. that is part of the problem. we do have countries like china who steal our intellectual property and subsidize goods with the ultimate goal of destroying our manufacturing and then raising the prices. we have to fight that. i will work with the president to do that, but it can't be
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chaotic. it's got to be something that's actually going to level the playing field. >> congresswoman, good to talk with you. congresswoman deborah dingle. up next, a dallas jury finds a former dallas police officer guiltying her neighbor mistaking his apartment for her own. we have details on how much time she's facing. plus a former secretary of state is here as the impeachment inquiry gains momentum. you're watching msnbc. you're watching msnbc. , your mammoth masterpiece. and...whatever this was. because we make our meat with the good of the deli and no artificial preservatives. make every sandwich count with oscar mayer deli fresh. there areand the best.s... which egg tastes more farm-fresh and delicious? only eggland's best. with more vitamins d and e and 25% less saturated fat?
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this afternoon former dallas police officer amber guyger was found guilty of murder for fatally shooting her neighbor bo than jean. last september guyger was off duty when she allegedly mistakenly entered jean's apartment instead of her own. she panicked, shot him twice, hitting him in the chest. prosecutors said jean was watching television and eating ice cream in his living room when guyger entered his apartment. it's sparked protests in the dallas area as the case became a focal point in racial tensions in the united states. jean's family wonders whether or not guyger would have shot him if he wasn't black. the jury had to decide whether she aking reasonably when she used deadly force. they unanimously found her guilty and she could face life
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in prison. joining me live is gabe gutierrez live from dallas. gabe? >> hi, there, ali. yes, five hours of deliberations and that jury of eight women and four men returned with that unanimous guilty verdict, amber guyger now facing up to 99 years in prison on that murder charge. the jury had also been considering the lesser charge of manslaughter. that carried anywhere from two to 20 years. again, right now the trial is in the sentencing phase. if we look, we see botham jean's mother on the witness stand. she was showing pictures of her son. botham jean was 26 years old when he was shot and killed last september. his 28th birthday would have been on sunday. now, ali, this was, again, a dramatic day in court. when the verdict was read by the judge, botham jean's family erupted in cheers. they say this was a moment they
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had been waiting for. this case captured national attention. this trial has been under way since last week and on friday dramatic testimony from amber guyger herself when she took the witness stand in her own defense. she said while she didn't mean to kill botham jean, she did enter his apartment. she regrets it. she apologized. but prosecutors said that wasn't enough. under cross-examination they got her to admit she did intend to kill him because she thought he was a threat, but that was enough for the jury to convict amber guyger of murder. prosecutors had also said she missed crucial clues that would have suggested to her she was on the wrong floor, that she went to the wrong floor after her long shift on the dallas police department and prosecutors also suggest that throughout the trial that she may have been distracted by exchanging sexually explicit text messages with her police partner earlier that night. so, again, right now we're waiting the jury to decide how
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long amber guyger will spend behind bars. she faces up to 99 years in prison after dramatic verdict earlier today, guilty of murder. ali. >> was there any point in the testimony an explanation for how she didn't figure out until she was inside the apartment? i mean, look. we're not in her position, so we don't know. but at some point you'd recognize it's not your apartment, not your furniture, not your stuff. >> reporter: certainly. that is the main question that the prosecution hammered over and over again, that she should have realized seeing as though she was a trained police officer, somebody who should have observed not just this bright red door mat that was in front of botham jean's apartment but that she didn't see the roof line which she parked apparently on a floor -- on the fourth floor instead of the third floor. now, prosecutors really tried to
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explain to the jury that either she was distracted because of those explicit text messages or perhaps she was tired from her shift. but in the prosecution's view, that didn't matter. all that mattered she went into the apartment and fired the fatal shots. the defense repeatedly said she feared for her life. they tried to bring up the controversial castle document defense. the prosecution said that was absurd. but the castle doctrine is similar to the stand your ground case. they rejected that theory and came back with the gl verdict. again, we're waying to see how long amber guyger is going to spend in prison. >> is that decision going to happen today? >> within the next few hours. again, we're just watching amber -- botham jean's mother on the witness stand right now. it could be a few hours. the judge seems prepared to go
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into the evening if necessary. >> thank you, gabe. of course, yeah, the castle doctrine refers to somebody who comes into your house. it doesn't generally protect you if you go into somebody else's house. coming up, the house is set to question the ambassador. why her answers could be used to impeach president trump. up next, the former assistant deputy secretary of state, we're at a inflection point for national democracy and security. we're going to talk about his concerns after the break. you're watching msnbc. break you're watching msnbc. full of flavor. texture. color. full of energy. full of... woo! it's fresh and filling. this bowl is full of good. so you can be too. try a new baja or mediterranean
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ask your doctor if starting hiv treatment with dovato is right for you. in accusing house democrats, secretary of state mike pompeo is not mincing his words writing to the chairman of the foreign affairs committee, quote, will it me be clear. i will not tolerate such tactics and i will use all means at my disposal to prevent and expose any attempts to intimidate the dedicated professionals who i am proud to lead and serve alongside at the department of state, end quote. all of this comes as the friday deadline to turn over documents relating to president trump's
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july conversation with the president of ukraine approaches and as nbc news reports, pompeo was on that call. joining me now, michael fuchs, former deputy assistant secretary of state for east asian affairs. let's just dispense of the idea that mike pompeo is accusing congressional chairs and committees of intimidation, of witnesses when, in fact, the president continues to say anybody who gave this whistle-blower information is like a spy and it's treasonous and you remember how we used to deal with treason and spies and i want to know the names of and i want to confront the people who have accused me and who gave this information. so the president is out there very actively intimidating or attempting to intimidate the whistle-blower and the suppliers of that information, and mike pompeo is accusing congress of doing the same thing by issuing
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s&ps. >> absolutely. the gal of pompeo rebuffing congress the way he did today is just unbelievable. look, ali. we're clearly at a croce rods as you pointed out earlier. it's come to light ta the president trump of the united states has basically been using the united states government and its top officials to conduct his own personal private political business around the world and advance his own personal political fortunes. congress as it should be has now opened an impeachment inquiry and it's demanding that they get to the bottom of what's happening. the only move they have left is the same move they've had all along which is to basically stonewall congress because they know the more information comes out, the more damning it looks for them. >> so the "washington post" has high lated 18 instances in which the white house or cabinet has
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refused or ignored a congressional subpoena since donald trump took office. here's the problem. donald trump may be the most widespread user of these tactics but he's not the first. it's been going on for a while, and sometimes what when it's your guy, or woman, in the office, you don't mind that people snub congress. now we've got sbogotten into th habit of doing this. congress is attempting to assert itself. not everybody gets that congress has an oversight rule. that you sort of got to submit to this. >> you'd think that former secretary of state who, himself, of course, was a member of the house of representatives, would get how important it is to cooperate with congress. and having an amicable relationship. but, frankly, secretary pompeo like the president he serves from day one, has had a pretty nasty relationship with congress. he has rebuffed again and again this congress for its requests from information. its requests for testimony from secretary pompeo and senior officials and, again, i think he
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is just realizing right now as we've learned, you mentioned earlier, that secretary pompeo was on that call that president trump had with yukrainian president. he realizes -- >> which is remarkable, right? he told abc news that he was first being presented by this in a discussion. not -- i'm sure there are lots of ways of saying i'm the secretary of state, i can't actually tell you what happened, but the implication was that mike pompeo did not know about this before he read press releases, press reports, about it. >> no, and, again, right, the lengths of which this administration is going to hide information on the server at the white house, obviously, rebuffing congress, so forth, is all because it seems with the drip, drip, drip, of information, it all seems they're doing it because they're all implicated. it's not just president trump. secretary pompeo, it's the attorney general of the united states, right, the person who's supposed to actually be enforcing our laws. but now congress, obviously, when it's been demanding information about a range of issues for a long time, now there's an impeachment inquiry. and it is making abundantly
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clear in the letter that those chairmen sent to secretary pompeo last week that obstruction will be what this is. if you do not send the information that is requested to congress. so they're not playing games anymore with secretary pompeo. we'll see, frankly, who blinks first. >> michael, good to talk to you. thank you for joining me . a senior fellow at the center for american progress. we have breaking news. moments ago, now-former congressman chris collins pleaded guilty in an insider trading case in a federal courtroom in manhattan. pled guilty to one count of conspiracy to commit securities fraud and one count of making false statements. each count comes with a maximum sentence of five years plus three years supervised release and up to $250,000 in fines. the new york republican was accused of leaking confidential information about a biopharmaceutical company immunotherapeutics limited which enabled his son and another individual to avoid hundreds of thousands of dollars in stock
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all right. tomorrow the focus of house democrats will be on marie masha yovanovitch, former u.s. ambassador for ukraine. she was abruptly ousted back in may after more than three decades of diplomatic service and is one of five current and former state department employees who've been asked to provide depositions to these three house committees. she's not jogging your memory yet, she's the woman who president trump referred to as bad news and told ukraine yan president zelensky was, quote,
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going to go through some things according to the white house memo of the call at the center of the impeachment inquiry. nbc news' geoff bennett joins me from capitol hill. geoff, with secretary pompeo saying these subpoenas are bullying state department officials, it might convince people that everybody who's been subpoenaed is somehow a trump al ally or defender, that's not necessarily the case. >> reporter: you're right about that. and marie yovanovitch is one of five former and current state department officials who is mentioned in the whistle-blower complaint to the house wants to hear from. she's scheduled to be deposed here, two stories below me in the secure house intelligence area. it is an open question as to whether or not she will show up. we have republicans on that panel who tell us definitively, no, she is not coming tomorrow. house democrats have not been that definitive. to your point, you opened the show talking about the dueling statements, the dueling letters we've seen between the secretary of state and house democrats, each side accusing the other of
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witness intimidation. marie yovanovitch giving her former post at the ukraine, the diplomatic role, would have had a front-row seat to the machinations of rudy giuliani, president trump's outside attorney, as he worked outside a typical diplomatic channels to stir up speculation, to dig up dirt on joe biden. so that clearly is what house democrats want to know -- >> so when you say she's not -- >> reporter: what's interesting, i think this is -- >> is that because of what pompeo has said, is that because pompeo signaled he might stop his people from going to congress? >> reporter: yes, and it's a different story for kurt volcker, former u.s. envoy to ukraine who i'm told resigned because he did want to be a ibl to speak more freely to congress, who i'm told is expected to show up tomorrow. but what's interesting, i think, the shift that we've seen from house democrats is before, they sort of met any sort of, you know, stonewalling from the white house by saying, we'll see you in court. >> right. >> reporter: that changed dramatically.
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mow they're saying the speed of this impeachment inquiry renders all legal repercussions moot. what they're saying is any more stonewalling could be grounds for a new article of impeachment which would be congressional -- >> geoff bennett, he reminds me how i started the show because he was actually watching. we love you. geoff bennett on capitol hill. that wraps up the hour for me. "deadli "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts now. hi, everyone, it's 4:00 in new york. you know what that means. news breaking today one of donald trump's favorite yes men, secretary of state mike pompeo, plans to say no to congress for refusing congressional demands for depositions of key state department witnesses. that's one day after reports confirm that u.s. secretary of state mike pompeo listened in on the call at the center of donald trump's impeachment inquiry. the one in which the u.s. president asked the leader of another country to investigate a political opponent. mike pompeo plunging his political future and the integrity of the u.s. state

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