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tonight, on a special edition of all in, a nation in the grip of crisis, amid a raging pandemic and a national reckoning on race and policing. tonight, for the hour, four mayors of four major cities, tasked with leading their cities through this critical moment in american history. this is all in america, front lines of change. good evening, from new york, i'm chris hayes. for lts next hour, we are going to be talking about the issues of policing and race amidst a crippling pandemic. i will be joined by four mayors from cities across the country and asking some of the questions you submitted online. it's never been a more important or more difficult time to be a mayor in a big city in america. over the last month, america's mayors have faced a series of
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unprecedented challenges. a once in a century pandemic forced mayors to make decisions, often amongst controversy, decisions that, if they get wrong, could cost thousands of lives. then, in the wake of the killing of george floyd, we have seen a once in a generation movement. protests and calls to end police brutality. to undo the decades of systemic racism that result in everything from mass incarceration, to massive racial disparities. all of this is happening in this front moment. they are negotiating these calls for both safety and health and equity and justice that are being made. it's been over a month since george floyd was killed by a minneapolis police officer. there are, still, people protesting in the streets across america. night after night, for a month. the protests are not stopping, and they have created a cascade
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of policy changes, at the local level. in minneapolis, the city where george floyd was killed, there has been incredible tumult over the city of that police department. last week, the city council advanced a proposal to allow the department to be dismantled. the mayor of that city was shouted down by treprotestors f not doing enough to reform policing. there's also been a spike in shooting since memorial day with over 100 people shot. like many other cities, atlanta also saw huge protests following the killing of george floyd and the tension in the city only increased after atlanta police officers shot and killed a man named rayshard brooks in the back as he was running away. after he failed a sobriety test and grabbed a taser from one officer trying to arrest him. one officer's charged with murder and the city police chief resigned. the lapd was the central focus of the last round of major unrest in the wake of police brutality. police, also, came under fire for using what seems like obviously excessive force against protestors.
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mayor there recently proposed $150 million in budget cuts to the police department that have been met with outrage by local law enforcement officials. los angeles is, also, a city that is seeing spikes in coronavirus cases. in new orleans, a city with a very ugly history in policing. a police force that's currently operating under a federal consent decree implemented by the obama administration to clean up the years of corruption and brutality. the mayor has called for it to end and talking to other mayors around country about federal oversight. so we thought we would take some time tonight at this incredibly perilous and important moment. to talk to people representing cities around the country. cities that are diverse and also cities that are currently struggling deeply as well. stays that are engines of economic mobility, and jobs, and also sites of intense poverty and violence. and now, the fallout from the
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public health measures that have put a strain on every single citizen and resident and every city budget and every government as well. joining me are mayor keisha lance bottoms, mayor jacob frey, mayor latoya cantrell, and mayor of los angeles. great to have you all. i've been looking forward to this. it's obviously an incredibly difficult but important moment. mayor frey, i thought i would start with you because this moment in the reckoning around race, policing, police brutality, started in minneapolis. and i wanted to ask about that moment that people saw on tape. where you went out to a protest in a mask, and there were protestors who were making very concrete demands of you. to sign on to an agenda that would fundamentally, essentially, have undone, right, sort of unbuilt the mainneapoli police department. and you wouldn't go along with it. you were jeered and booed. and i think there's a sense sometimes in these protests of a
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which side are you on dynamic, right? you're a democrat. i think you view yourself as a progressive. you're not donald trump but you're administering the city. protestors say what side are you on? what is your answer to them? >> mayors around the country, including myself, are on the side of massive structural change. and i think, right now, we need to be heeding the calls of george floyd's family. and they said, clearly, that george floyd is going to change the world. this can't be half measures. this can't just go halfway. this can't just be minor policy changes. this needs to be a full rethinking and reshaping of the way that our police department does business that has, for d s decades, harmed black and brown people. and so, in terms of the shift that we want to see, if we are talking about decriminalizing addiction, count me in. if we're talking about making sure that mechanisms like more affordable housing and
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healthcare are -- are prepared and ready so that we don't have crime, count me in. if we're talking about being open to other strategies, beyond policing, absolutely. mental health co-responders, yes. social workers, absolutely. but if we are talking about just abolishing all law enforcement, no. cities around the country, including minneapolis, need law enforcement. we need to abolish the behavior. we don't need to be abolishing the police. >> mayor lance bottoms, obviously in atlanta, you have dealt with protests in your city. you have dealt with a very high-profile police killing of a resident in atlanta, as well, recently. what was your -- how was it communicated to you in the time that rayshard brooks was shot and killed, what had happened, and what was your message to the police department in the midst of that, given it came on the tail end precisely against police violence.
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>> well, thank you for having me. the way it was communicated to me is the same way that i receive information about any number of noteworthy events in -- in this city. i usually wake up to text messages during the night. i get them throughout the day. and this came in as a police-involved shooting. and initially, i was not told that mr. brooks was deceased. and i, later, found out that he was. and so, i immediately, the next morning, went into city hall and gathered our police chief and our command staff. and we began looking at the videos. and so, i sat and i watched 40 minutes of the interaction with mr. brooks. and the officers. and the most heartbreaking thing, in watching that interaction, was knowing that you knew how the story ended. it was a lighthearted interaction. and there were so many other
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ways that this could have ended. and mr. brooks talked about his daughter's birthday, and wanting to be at her birthday party. or -- or giving his wife some money for her birthday party. and i think, for me, it really -- looking at the ending of this, really, has called into question how we have these encounters with our police officers. and within these encounters, black men particularly, and we know in the case of breonna taylor and so many others, it -- black women aren't immune. but that people are not humanized in these encounters. and so, that's the biggest challenge in front of us. >> yeah. why -- i want to get to the other two mayors here but i want to follow up on that. that lack of humanity, right, that sort of dehumanization that we see. and we've seen so many different videos and testimonials from people, whether from various departments or social media of
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these petty indignities. dehumanization by police officers. what is your explanation for the root cause of that happening, in your city, under your stewardship? the first black, woman mayor of the city of atlanta. a city that's had incredible legacy, filled with incredible culture and diverse people. why is that still happening in your police department? >> well, i'm actually the second african-american woman to serve as mayor. but in this encounter, the encounter was a cordial, polite encounter, until it was not. and so, i think that is the question that we have to all ask ourselves. how are we training our officers? what are our expectations in outcomes when there are encounters like this? so we have already put into place things related to a requirement for deescalation. but it doesn't bring mr. brooks back. and i think that it goes to this larger conversation that we have to have across this country, that we are having across this country.
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and what it means for us to see each other as human beings, no matter our race and no matter what our title is. i think that's a challenge. in atlanta, i think if anything is evidence that if it can, and it did happen in atlanta, the cradle of the civil rights movement. then, certainly, it is something that can and -- and will happen in cities across this country. >> mayor cantrell, your department has a particular history and interesting one. it was entered into a federal dissent decree under the obama administration. there's been lots to indicate the department has improved. given that other mayors are fighting so hard to bring structural change to cities, given the impediments to that, why would you want to take the federal government out of supervising a department, if it has had a salutory effect on your department? >> thank you for having me. the dissent decree has
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absolutely mandated practices that we have embraced 100%. as it relates to constitutional policing practices. of course, a culture of accountability. and also, aggressively investing in social and community programs. one is that when you lean on that consent decree, it easily becomes politicized and one that you are spending millions of dollars. we spent over $55 million. over 7 million, annually. and the goalpost just continues to move, as you're making progress. we have turned the curve in of the city of new orleans. we have demonstrated our effectiveness. we have embraced the eight can't-wait policies that our protestors have been asking for. and we've gone above and, literally, beyond, that. we created epic, ethical policing is courageous, for deescalation. you know, as well as duty to
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intervene. we have social workers embedded in our department. so my thing is this. and the residents of the city of new orleans approved voted to change the charter to have -- to have an independent police monitor, which is the foundation for continuing the success of the reforms that we've made. but wanting to satisfy the consent decree so that we can reinvest those dollars back into public health, which is also public safety. so i don't believe that cities across the country have to go and involve the doj, in order to turn themselves around. they can make the improvements, lean on one another, looking at best practices. and we've demonstrated these best practices. teaching police forces, across the country. but we do not need to beholden to doj and the level of dollars that we're spending on the consent decree.
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mind you that, when you have a police monitor, it seems they're coming in town when you have good events going on. jazz fest. you know? mardi gras. that sort of thing. so we need to get away from that. i believe we are. and i -- i applaud the partnership with the judge and the monitor. but now, it's time to let new orleans continue the reforms. but the sustainability of those reforms. we're prepared. >> mayor cantrell just talked about some of the reforms to -- to her police department, under the supervision, that consent decree and her leadership, mayor garcetti. it seems there are a few categories people are talking about. training. changing the way police are trained. what -- decriminalization. there is also the idea of police departments are too big. they do too much. we -- we put too many resource in the city to them. you have just proposed a budget cut for the lapd that has been met with quite a bit of anger from some law enforcement and
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spokespeople in la. what caused you to take that up? what do you think you're doing, in proposing that budget cut? >> well, thank you, chris. and let me join the chorus of thanking you for doing this and it is always an honor to be with my brother and sister mayors and all the viewers who have shown up tonight to take this conversation from a moment to a movement. and make sure we meet this moment, and not miss it. here, in los angeles, we're pretty resilient. not because we're any better than any other city. we just went through this pain that other cities are going through in past years, earlier. before we had camera phones, we had rodney king. we had watts before that. and a consent decree, just as mayor cantrell has gone through. and those things made us better and stronger and fairer, even if we still have a while to climb up the peak, maybe we're midway up the mountain. we have thrown too many solutions on the shoulders of our police departments and our police officers.
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a and, yes, it is about accountable behavior. it's also making sure we don't just hold bad behavior accountable but lift pg up good behavior. but also, what we can do to make sure that police aren't always the solution to everything. that we can call 911 and as we are doing here, working together with our county to look at what we can do in a mental health crisis, to have trained professionals, who are mobile just like police officers. who can roll out and maybe have better and more lasting outcomes than police officers going back and back. and sometimes, tragically, to these dangerous situations if that's not what they are best trained for. it's about gang intervention. we've cut gang crime in half in los angeles. remember movies when most of us were growing up where it was los angeles was synonymous with gang culture? we have done that not by just strengthening and holding accountable a pliolice departme. but moving resources from policing to gang development. former members who can be the peacemakers when things flair up more effectively than police officers in certain situations.
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i agree we are always going to need police for certain situations and we need to rethink that model. and kind of create that, co-create that, with communities of color that baear the brunt o that when it comes. and make sure we broaden this out so this is not just a conversation about public safety. if we care about black lives and the lives of the people that we represent, this has to be about wealth building and health building, too. because we know, even with the most accountable police departments in the country, reimagining some of those models, most black people in america will have shorter lives or find death because of health and economic disparities. so these have to be braided in together, if we're going to make sure this moment doesn't come and pass, with just a few reforms, some pats on the back, and everybody says back to business as usual. >> i want to talk about all the ways in which those are braided together. we have much more to come on this special edition of all in next. how are calls for reform being
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heard in law enforcement? i'm going to talk to the head of the memphis police department about how he is responding after this. w he is responding after this draw the line with roundup. the sure shot wand extends with a protective shield to target weeds precisely and kill them right down to the root. roundup brand. trusted for over 40 years. subut when we realized she wasn hebattling sensitive skin, we switched to new tide plus downy free. it's gentle on her skin, and dermatologist recommended. new tide pods plus downy free. safe for sensitive skin with eczema and psoriasis.
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our profession. but you know what? this isn't stained by someone in minneapolis. it's still got a shine on it, and so do theirs. so do theirs. stop treating us like animals and thugs. and start treating us with some respect. >> that is the president of one of the largest police unions in the u.s., which represents officers in new york city. it is often the case that some of the loudest voices in the debate over policing in america are police unions, whose rhetoric tends to run very hot. a few weeks ago, amidst nationwide protests against police brutality, the president of another new york police union said they would, quote, win this war on new york city. the head of the minneapolis police union called protests in that city, in the wake of george floyd's killing, a terrorist movement. president of a cleveland police union was referred to the citizens of his own city. police across the country talk like this all the time as a reporter who covers them.
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as if they are fighting a war against the very citizens their members are sworn to protect. the unions are often not particularly representative of the departments they represent. the new york city police department, for example, is 40% white. and as you can see, this is very different than the makeup of this group of union members. only one, only one, has an african-american at the helm of the police union. that is michael williams. it he's a 20-year army veteran. no now, represents 3,000 officers. and michael williams joins me now. >> thank you for having me, chris. i appreciate it. >> i want to talk a little about your reaction to this moment. particularly, the killing of george floyd. but i want to talk on this
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question of police unions and their rhetoric, and the way they communicate publicly. what goes through your mind when you hear police union representatives talk about war and dregs of society, and this very, very kind of aggressive language? do you understand why that is alienating to a lot of people? >> i just think that a lot of individuals are very frustrated, in this age and in this era. the advent of what happened to mr. george floyd was heinous. it was something that nobody wanted to see. when you see someone that's on somebody's neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, i don't care if you're a police officer. i don't care if you're a citizen of any city around the united states. that is heinous. and it should be treated as such, period. i think that, you know, we have to get out of trying to defend wrongs that have been created or
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perpetrated by individuals, even if they are a part of the police structure. we held that rally. officers for injustice. because we had a lot of officers who wanted to protest. a lot of good officers in the city of memphis because we definitely tried to stay in touch with the community. many of us are of the community. 56 to 60% of the police department in the city of memphis is african-american. the makeup of the city is approximately 65% african-american. a lot of us were born and raised here, educated here. we still live in this city. and we care because a lot of the individuals are our relatives, in this city. so we have definitely tried to maintain community-police relations. and a lot of things that have happened all across the country, i can tell you, have not happened, here, in the city of memphis. so we kind of approach it a little bit differently, i assume.
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but i know that, on all sides, you have police that are being injured since the incident with mr. floyd. you've had hundreds of officers that have been injured all across the country. and sometimes people just don't understand, if you haven't been in combat, if you haven't been suppressed in life. or if you haven't had incidences with the police, i tell the story i became the police because i didn't like the police. and sometimes, you have to change it from the inside, as opposed to the outside. and that's a lot of the things. and i encourage a lot of the young people within the city of memphis to become police officers. if you don't like it, be a part of it. change it, from the inside. treat people the way that you want to be treated, as opposed to allowing other individuals the ability to police you. that's what i did. >> you just spoke about this feeling of frustration, and i think a lot of police officers. police officers i've spoken to
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even in the last week or two who feel under threat. they feel shamed. they feel misunderstood. there -- there does seem to be -- and obviously, police officers have come under verbal abuse, and have had things thrown at them. and there have been actually several shootings throughout the country directed at law enforcement officials. do you -- what is your thinking about the psychology of your officers in these moments, that they don't essentially, end up replicating the same kinds of indignities and brutality and violence and overreaction that has produced this moment? what are -- what are you saying? what is the conversation like among police officers about that? is there a conversation on that? >> there is definitely a behind-the-scenes conversation that's going on. as a matter of fact, i was on the phone with a particular officer for, probably, about an hour, prior to me starting some interviews this evening. and they're very frustrated. we've had 12 incidences where officers have been shot at,
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here, in the city of memphis. this time last year, we had about 659 shootings or shots-fired calls, here, in the city of memphis. it has risen to over 1,500, for the same time, this year. juvenile crime is up. violent crime is up. a lot of the individuals are operating under the auspices of what has happened to mr. floyd, unfortunately, and mr. rice, and all the other individuals around the country that have succumb to their injuries or the incidences with police officers. and we're having individuals that are -- are being stopped. and they say, oh, you can't stop me. or you can't operate under the -- aren't you guys not supposed to be doing these certain things? so you have officers that are very frustrated. you know, you're getting calls to armed party calls and it's 14, 15, 16-year-old individuals because memphis is like the third most violent city in the nation, per capita, per the fbi. so we have a lot of crime that's
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going on in the city. and officers are kind of confused. you know, because if they engage these 14, 15, 16-year-old individuals and they happen to kill them because we're pulling skss, ak-47s, automatic weapons out of a lot of cars around here. and it's just a matter of time before something happens. nobody wants to happen, what happened to mr. floyd or anybody else that individuals are standing up for. but at the same time, we can't let the pendulum swing too far to the left and overreact. and put officers' safety at risk or try to say that they don't have the same constitutional rights that normal citizens have. because, at the end of the day, they are normal citizens. >> right. but police officers are more than normal citizens. i mean, police officers have an authority that normal citizens don't. police officers have the elevated standing of essentially being the tool by which the state enforces its monopoly on
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violence. they can shoot people. they can arrest them. they can do all kinds of things. i can't walk town the street and tell someone, oh, i don't like what you're doing, come here for a second. i'm going to write you a ticket or i'm going to put you in handcuffs. sometimes to me it seems there is a mismatch between perception of police officers, who understandably, go through tremendous psychic distress in the job they do and often face tremendous stresses and dangers and the authority they yield. and is there a way to think about policing that doesn't end up heavily leaning on that authority in a way that ends up taking people's dignity away? >> well, without order, there is chaos, chris. and you have to -- you know, we all grew up afraid of somebody. i was afraid of my mother. okay? so if we want to get to the point where you're not afraid of anybody, that means you can do what you want to do. now, in saying that, i don't think any officer should overstep his bounds. i don't think he should use his
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authority in the wrong way or manner. and if, in fact, they do that, they should be held accountable. i am one of those individuals that say we don't want bad police officers. if you're not going to operate within the scope of your duties, you don't need to be the police officers. within our community, we've probably gotten more officers to resign that don't want to be the police officers. but you are he also goialso goi in this environment, a lot of the millennials or young people that are coming up now that have bachelors and masters and ph.d.s, they don't want to be the police. they choose to do something else. there is a shortage of police officers, all across the nation. and if we continue in this manner, it's going to get even shorter. so we have to make sure that we have a balance. i have said there's nothing wrong with reform. any time you don't want a change, something's wrong because times change. so, therefore, you have to implement changes. but at the same time, you can't throw the baby out with the bath water.
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you know, i had a conversation about 40 minutes about choking. using chokeholds here in the city of memphis. i asked the question, when was the last time an officer choked somebody in the city of memphis or somebody died? never. so we have uniquenesses throughout the country and everybody can't use this cookie cutter method to be able to address the issues in that are particular cities. we have a crime problem. we haven't had those type of situations. what -- i don't know what's happened in new york. i don't know what happened in minnesota. i don't know what happened in other places, except for what has been shown on tv. police answered over 10 million calls last year. out of those 10 million calls, i think the fbi said you had about a thousand and some individuals that were shot. out of that thousand individuals, you had 400 that were armed or unarmed. i believe you had 19 caucasians that were shot and killed by the police last year. you only had nine
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african-americans that were killed by the police last year. now, don't get me wrong. anybody that's killed needlessly, that's wrong and it needs to be addressed. but at the same time, i think that we're, definitely, putting a lot of emphasis on the police. when we have, in this city, 222 individuals were murdered in this city last year. >> memphis police association president michael williams in the city of memphis. thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> all right. stick around. we'll take a look at the idea behind growing call on the national protests defunding the police. after this. g the police after this
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complete mayhem. and i'm wondering what you think of that idea because it's so central to police identity and so central to many of the big city politics around crime and policing for decades. >> i agree with so much of what he said. and like memphis, atlanta's full of good police officers. many of whom, grew up in our community. many of whom i went to elementary school with. and so, by and large, i think atlanta's representative of what you do have across the country. police officers, who get up each and every day, looking to do an honest job and -- and have pure and honest interactions with our communities. but the problem is this. that, when you have officers who don't have those same intentions, and this is happening repeatedly. and we are now seeing it. then, there is a problem that's before us, that has resulted in what we are seeing across america.
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and i met, a couple weeks ago, with some of the student activists. and i love what one of the young men said. he said this is -- we've got to stop having a conversation about us versus them. this has to be a we conversation. and so, in the same way our police officers are concerned about the morale of officers, i think our officers have to, also, be concerned about the morale of the country. we're not making up what these things are, that we are concerned about. when my nephew was murdered, we called the police to solve his murder. so i know the value of our police officers. but, to the extent that we are, somehow, getting it wrong, and it is resulting in this excessive use of force. it's killing people, before our eyes. then, we have to have this we conversation, and do this we work to get it right. >> mayor frey, you're nodding, in agreement. >> i am.
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this is a we conversation. and what we need to be focused on, collectively, right now, is a culture shift. you know, i am a believer that culture eats policy for breakfast. and to a certain extent, culture is about people. it's about personnel. it's having the ability to bring in and retain good officers. and having the ability to get the wrong officers, with the wrong mentality, out. and right now, you have mayors and chiefs around the country that are hamstrung by several elephants in the room. whether it's a police union or a collective bargaining agreement or an arbitration provision, which we have in minnesota that, by the way, returns more than 45% of the cases back to the police department. so, in other words, the chief or i can discipline or terminate an officer. and then, 45% of the time or
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more, that decision is, then, overturned. that prevents the necessary culture shift that we need to see. and so, sure, we should be focusing on the policy. there is a whole lot of work that we can be doing unilaterally or that we could advocate for. but if we're not focusing on that culture shift, and we're not precise in our terminology, we're going to lose this opportunity to see that transformational change and nobody wants that. >> but that culture shift. mayor go mayor garcetti, let me talk to you because los angeles went through this trajectory, right? it's pretty clear l.a. is a different creature than it was in the early 1990s under darryl gates and rodney king. it is still the case you can talk to people of color in los angeles who can rattle off to you, awful interactions with police officers who have acted dictatorial towards them. who have assaulted them. and the question is, when you think about the direction things are moving, is it the direction is correct? and we just need to go further?
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or is there some core problem, that's not being gotten at, about the sort of bad apples problem, right? people who are in policing for the wrong reason or acting this way. which -- which of those do you think it is? >> i, absolutely, think it's both, chris. you can see changes we've made in policy and procedures, the last five years. we've seen fatal officer-involved shootings cut in half. those policies actually work. when people have to warn somebody they're going to be shooting. when somebody is accountable for their use of force. when you daylight discipline. those things work. but there is also a culture that's independent from that, too. and i don't think you have to compromise between accountability and being deeply respectful of people who devote their lives to law enforcement. i deeply respect law enforcement officers. but it also means accountability should broaden this conversation out so that we are looking at that culture that isn't unique to policing. it's american culture. let's be clear.
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racism doesn't just exist in traffic stops. it exists in banks. it exists in housing. it exists wherever we are. so instead of just talking about what we defund, i want to talk about what we're going to refund. are we going to refund affordable housing in this country? schools. public schools that have been cut. looking at a mental health system, both, for our officers and for communities of color that have gone through trauma. these are the things that i think can look at the culture and the policies together and that's certainly the way we have looked at it in los angeles. you can't just do one. you have to do both. >> mayor cantrell, one of the points that mr. williams made is another point i've heard often. which sort of kind of theorizes a spectrum between, you know, going too easy or overreacting. and somewhere in the middle is sort of the right place to be, in which you can police in a constitutional manner, and still control crime. and the idea behind it and you heard mr. williams articulate i think a common view between police officers. if you go too far, you know, if you are too constrained, you
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will see disorder and crime and violence and mayhem. your city has had deep changes to the police department. and has, also, seen, over a long period of time, a decline in crime. how do you think about those two -- those two sort of twin interests? >> well, i think that, absolutely, balance is important. you know, we are a destination city. hosting, you know, 18 million visitors a year. and of course, protecting and serving the residents of the city. we do not want to be confrontational. you know, allow you to be who you are. and -- and respecting that. and also, building those relationships with community, as well as with the police. much like memphis. the city of new orleans is majority african-american, 60%. and over 50% of our force is african-american, as well. so you do have to -- we have different -- the nuances are different, in terms of how we interact with our people.
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and so, i -- i believe that accountability. bottom line, that's it. you have to act swift. you know, you have to act with haste. and get the bad apples out of there. that's one of the policies, for us. although, it's voluntary, in terms of releasing our footage from our video, our body cams. also, cameras in the vehicles. while we don't have -- have to do it, by law, we do it. and we release it within ten days. we believe that transparency is very important, and it goes hand in hand with accountability. that builds trust in your community. and it has built trust, within the city of new orleans. you know, when you have imperfect people, you're going to have imperfections. but again, accountability. you can -- you have to stand up. >> mayor frey, there has been -- there has been i think mr. williams talked about an uptick in shootings in memphis. in the wake of the protests in
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ferguson, there were a variety of critics who looked at uniform crime reporting data and fbi data. who -- who -- who coined the term ferguson effect to say that, look, this is what happens. you demand that police treat everybody with kid gloves, and all of a sudden, crime spikes. and this was a very popular thesis. ron manuel, mayor of chicago, essentially signed onto it. what is your understanding of that? do you think that's what's happening right now to the people who say look what you've done, you abandoned streets to the protestors and now peoplie are tshooting each other. >> let me be clear our officers are out there every day doing what they can to keep our community safe. and the violence that we are seeing now only compounds the grief and is a distraction from actually getting the necessary culture shift and reforms that we all know are needed. and let's, also, be clear that this is about more than just
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those 8 minutes and 45 seconds worth of horror. you know, this goes back decades and generations and even centuries. this all started with slavery to jim crow to reconstruction to intentional segregation and restrictive covenants that ran with the land. there is a whole lot that has compounded to ultimately reach this moment. and so, what i think needs to happen, right now, is the violence needs to stop, first of all. and we need to harness that collective energy and sadness and grief. and then, channel it into something productive and specific. because that's the only way that change is ultimately going to come about. >> we got lots more of -- to talk about and more of your questions, at home. do not go anywhere. we're going to be back right after this. ight after this s. s. because there are options. like an "unjection™". xeljanz. the first and only pill of its kind that treats moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis,
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questions from people who also live in those cities. mayor cantrell of new orleans, we'll start with a question for you. >> hi. my name is mark raymond and i live in new orleans. i serve as the president of the legacy committee. and we restarted the movement to rename all landmarks that memorialize the confederacy and white supremacy. it is time for new orleans to send a signal to the rest of the world, that we are stepping away from our confederate shadow. mayor cantrell, what are your thoughts about this movement? and how can we do this work expeditiously? thank you for your leadership in this challenging time, and thank you for all you do for new orleans. >> thank you, mark, for your leadership and even serving on the regional transit authority board, representing our residents who are living with disabilities. so appreciate you. also, in you leading this effort, you know that i just made an appointment to our city
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council's commission formed for street renaming. and so, that work is getting underway. i fully support it, 100%. but, you know, i'm grassroots all the way. i came to this work as a community organizer. so i believe in bottombottom-up. so any process that is driven by the community and really a reflection of the community, you will have my full support as i've demonstrated. so expeditiously the process is under way, and we're going to get it done. but according to the residents of the city of new orleans. >> all right. mayor frey of minneapolis, the next question is for you. >> hi. my name is marcel. i'm originally from south carolina, and my question is for mayor frey. many jewish people receive and still receive reparations as a result of the holocaust. will you join some of your fellow mayors in petitioning congress to approve reparations for black americans whose
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ancestors endured the horrors of slavery and subsequent racial terror? why or why not? >> marcel, thank you so much for the question. and as a jew who lost extended family during the holocaust, i have been told stories about the impact that this has had on our family and our lives. and, yes, reparations need to take place. and we have seen over -- throughout history in many generations systematic racism that has been put in place, whether it's around financing or housing or intentional segregation, and we've seen black people systematically been deprived of both money and property. and if you look over time from generation to generation, that
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ultimately leads to significant wealth gaps, to gaps in housing, to gaps in ownership, to gaps in businesses. and so, yes, absolutely we need to be making those changes. i would be happy to sign on to any petition that would go towards congress to be doing that at a national level. again, thank you for your advocacy, and i'm proud to stand with you. >> all right. the next question is for mayor bottoms of atlanta. >> hello. my name is diana and i'm from atlanta. i'm also a college student here. i was wondering if there are any concrete measures taking place to combat voter suppression across counties and also if there are any measures in place to make atlanta a more environmentally-friendly city. thank you. >> thank you for your question. so as it relates to voter suppression, the reality is that we have a secretary of state who
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refuses to accept that voter suppression is real and that it comes in different forms. and so what i would encourage you and all of our students and everyone across this country is to show up and vote in numbers so there is no margin for error because voter suppression comes in forms like purging people from the voter rolls and also making people stand in line for six to eight hours as we saw during the last election. and as it relates to what we are doing for the environment in atlanta, we are continuing to place equity at the top of every single thing that we do. part of that conversation is making sure that all of our communities, including those with the highest asthma rates in the country, have the same access to the resources to, one, inform our communities, to empower our communities, to make sure that our communities are a safe place for everyone to live and that everyone has access to clean water and to clean
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communities. >> all right. next question, a topic that i wanted to get to tonight, and i think we can close out some of the rest of the time we have here on it. this question is for you, mayor garcetti, and i'll follow up afterwards. >> hi. my name is julia. i live in los angeles, california, and i'm immunocompromised due to lupus. my question for mayor garcetti is we have more new covid cases in l.a. than we did when you issued the stay-at-home order. so why aren't we under a stay-at-home order now? >> do you want to follow up on that, chris or -- >> i'm going to follow up afterwards. i know you've made some pauses, but that question is to you. >> sure. no, absolutely. a hard pause, and for anybody immunocompromised or over 65, we're saying do stay at home. we're seeing across our city whe that our aggressive testing --
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we were the first city in the country to allow testing for people with and without symptoms. the way that we kind of pioneered mask-wearing in the country as the first city to mandate that. there's no question we need to tighten this up. mayors don't have our health departments, so those are coming from the county and the state. but i've spoken to both our county leaders and our governor to support the closing of bars, to look at any other measures we need. these next two weeks, we've got to show what l.a. showed at the beginning, which is that we saved thousands and thousands of lives and we need to do that again. i'm so glad you asked because i strongly recommended last night that if you do have pre-existing medical conditions, if you are over 65, you should stay at home and everybody should stay at home whenever they can. no more backyard parties. no cheating. it's like folks who are eating at midnight every night and wondering why they aren't losing weight on their diet. this is the time to get serious and take the gains and push them
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forward. >> mayor bottoms, you're in a state that does have rising cases. it's in the sun belt. it's not as bad as we've seen in arizona, texas, florida. but how concerned are you where in is headed right now? >> i'm extremely concerned. we are up 20% from seven days ago. as you know, we were one of the first states to open up. so i think that opening up so aggressively, we're now paying for it on the back end. and when you look at the rates of asthma, diabetes, high blood pressure, especially in black and brown communities, it puts atlanta at even higher risk. >> mayor cantrell, quickly your city is renowned for its night life and its bars, and there's a lot of evidence to suggest that is a key course of spread as cities opened up. you're seeing them retrench as the first thing. how do you think about bars and nightlife in the context of an epidemic? >> well, the city of new orleans, as you know, was a hot spot for covid-19.
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we flattened that right at 94%. i have been more restrictive than the state of louisiana for a reason, because we've been disproportionately impacted. we have allowed for bars to open at 25%. i'm telling my folks, you know, we need to stay on track, and if we continue to do that, we'll be just fine. but if there's any regression, you know, in terms of non-compliance, we will close them down. and i've been very much upfront about that, but i'm proud, though, of the progress that we have made and we continue to make. but my issue is new orleans is an island right now in the state of louisiana and even in the south. >> i do not envy any of you navigating this period right now. it's an extremely difficult job for all of you, and you want to thank you for taking time out of your busy schedules. mayor keisha lance bottoms, mayor latoya cantrell, mayor eric garcetti. thank you so much.
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