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when you look at the number of people who say they're always and treaties around the world. wearing a mask every time they how much of it, in your leave their home, is it really experience, from your point of view, is irreparable damage k being done and how long will it inflation going on here where people are signaling they're take given your experience to repair these alliances? always wearing their mask when >> well, mike, as you point out, they're not, but at least the desire to is going up. these are four counts and four our favorite part of this, 15% capitals of our closestallies, of americans have said that they among others in the world. they have suffered enormously in have told someone else to put on a mask. 15% are out there saying wear a the context of donald trump's mask. leadership. they can't trust the word of the it gives you an indication how president and what is said from the white house. important this issue is to so they can't trust that our many americans. >> i am one of those people. alliance structures are based on i have told folks to put a mask shared values and shared on. interests rather than hans nichols, thank you. i'll be reading axios a.m. in transactions or the whim of a just a little bit. that does it for me i'm yasmin vossoughian. "morning joe" starts right now. mercurial president. it's going to take, in the first the europeans have done it, instan instance, the decisive decision people in asia have done it. by the american people to change
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course, elect a president, elect we did not shutdown entirely a president in the bipartisan that's why when we started to come up, we plateaued at a level tradition to understand we're safer in the world when we have that was quite high, about friends and allies that work 20,000 infections a day. then as we started to reopen, with us. this is going to take time and effort to repair. we're seeing the surges we're god forbid if there were eight seeing today. years of donald trump's >> dr. anthony fauci yesterday amid the white house's campaign leadership, i don't think it can be repaired. to discredit him, continuing to next january if joe biden is our give his honest assessment of president, i'm confident we can do the hard work of beginning to what's gone wrong in this country in fighting the repair those relationships, but co we are hearing new we're going to have to be patient and we're going to have to recognize that a great deal warning from health officials that miami is quickly becoming of damage has been done. and it is going to take time for the epicenter of the coronavirus our allies to have confidence that america is really back and back in a fashion they can pandemic. meanwhile, in the debate over how and when to open schools, trust. only joe biden can bring us back to that point and take us three of the nation's largest school districts announced they forward because, mike, it's not will be starting the year with enough to go back to where we were. the world has changed. we have a global economic online classes only. the president put on a new spin crisis. we have a global pandemic. on his more tests mean more all of those challenges need to cases rhetoric. be addressed with strong, yesterday he said, when you effective american leadership.
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test, you create cases. and it will take the kind of good morning and welcome to experience and judgment and confidence that joe biden can "morning joe," it is tuesday, july 14th. bring to that job and bring, willie we'll get to all that in therefore, to our allies. a moment. but give us the latest on miami. >> let's turn to katty kay for the next question. >> mika, as you mentioned, miami katty? >> susan, thank you. now the new epicenter of this you're right, i keep hearing pandemic. florida had its second worse day from european diplomats there's for new infections yesterday a big difference between eight years and four years. adding over 12,000 cases just a can i ask you about a specific foreign policy, national day after shattering the record for the highest number of single security issue. day cases. we woke up that the russians miami-dade county was were paying taliban to take hits responsible for a quarter of yesterday's new cases and on american and british represents about 20% of the soldiers. as we can tell, there's been no total number of infections retaliation yet. if joe biden were president, what action would america have statewide. health advisers to the mayor taken against russia in response describe the situation as grave. to these stories? >> well, first of all, katty, it's clear that, you know, what the mayor is withholding closing is at stake here are the lives more businesses. of american servicemen and women an infectious disease serving in a war zone. specialist at the university of to the extent the intelligence
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miami said the situation is like has indicated, convincingly, at what was happening in wuhan, in least convincingly enough to put that information in the china five or six months ago, president's daily briefing, the and like new york three months most important intelligence ago, remember that? product produced, we have to florida state lawmakers are take this information seriously. we have to recognize that in all calling on the federal government to coordinate with probability, russia has paid state and local leaders. bounties to taliban to kill our 98% of icu beds in miami-dade servicemen and women. are occupied. we can't allow that to stand. in the past 14 days, there needs to be a serious and hospitalizations rose 65%, icu strong american reaction to that or they should have been by now. admissions are up 66%, and ventilator use is up 128%. and whether that reaction took the form of economic pressure, the ceo of memorial west response in kind, military hospital in south florida says, pressure, that's for the quote, we are busting at the national security council and seams in the emergency room, i the president to decide based on am busting at the seams inside all of the different factors at the hospital. i am busting at the seams in play. and i can't sit here without the benefit of that information and terms of icus, the biggest challenge is staffing. give you my own personal one doctor telling a local judgment, but i know that, you know, when we face challenges of investigative reporter, quote, this sort, we would sit down and we are really burned out. i would be at the -- at the head let's bring in the president and ceo of jackson health system in of the principals committee
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table in the situation room and we would weigh the evidence and miami-dade. weigh the implications and put doctor, thank you for being on the show this morning, given forward to the president everything you're going through. clear-cut options for responding but if you can tell us the appropriately. it seems this president hasn't latest there and what is needed. done that. >> obviously the number one he still to this weeks after this information hit the thing is every hospital is public domain, and i believe fairly full. what we're managing right now is more than a year after he was maintaining the census that we first informed of this in some have, that is non-covid patients form or fashion, he has said and done absolutely nothing. and as they're discharged we no expression of concern. no effort to criticize the replace them with covid patients. russians or promise that we will we are doing a great job of act appropriately in response. discharging. the challenges we have, number >> gene robinson. one, making sure our employees >> susan, we are where we are on are safe and kept without any infection. and the other thing is about the pandemic. staffing. the governor has now released we shouldn't be here, but it's opportunity for south florida out of control in the south and hospitals to bring in about 2,500 nurses that is critical to what we need. southwest and schools are about to reopen, perhaps. we have the beds, we need the this is utter chaos. staff. in addition to that, the reagents for lab testing in our so, what should president trump
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loan labs has been extremely do today, tomorrow. not that he will, but what necessary and the need for should he do given the situation now to address the pandemic? remdesivir. those are the three things we need right now. >> well, first and foremost, >> if i could ask you about gene, he should respect the staffing. at this point do you need to science and respect the experts. bring in staffing from other hospital systems? stop assailing people like tony other states? i know three months ago massachusetts lifted the ban -- fauci. put them in the lead. the reality is this is not a had actually new rules that pandemic we can wish away. allowed medical students to you know, president trump was graduate and immediately start working. what's the situation in florida cheerleading the reopening of the economy. it proved to be deadly in terms of staffing? premature. that's why we're seeing in the how is it best fixed at this south and the west, some of the first states to reopen, this point? >> the best fix is what we're trying to do. extraordinary resurgence. the governor has identified we cannot do as president trump is doing and play politics with several different ways of bringing out of state nurses in and be willing to sacrifice the that 2,500 range that we're lives of our children and their talking about to south florida. teachers. we believe that will get us we have to recognize that in those states where the pandemic through the worst that we're looking at. is out of control, and it's out with everything we've done with of control because trump urged the curfew, the controls on the the reopening prematurely of our restaurant back again and what economy, that it may not be
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possible, despite all of our mayor jiminez has done, we desire to see our kids back in school, to safely reopen those schools at the beginning of the school year. so, we need to get the testing believe we will hit the peak in ramped up even further. three week, that's a long time we need to get the contact and our staff is already really tracing sorted out. tired and nervous. >> i want to ask you about the we need to restore some of the restrictions that were put in profile of the patients you're place early on and lifted seeing. early on march and april, we prematurely as california has just done in order to bend the were told it was older people curve. and it really needs to be bent that contracted coronavirus. then we heard about in places down near to zero, as we've seen like houston younger and younger in europe or to be safe for patients. schools and the like to reopen. what kind of patient is in your hospital right now with this wishing away reality and coronavirus? >> we saw the influx of young basically politicizing a patients as well in miami. pandemic, putting his re what happens happened with the growth, the young erpatients are the same but now we're seeing re-election ahead of the lives of americans is unconscionable the older. in miami we have a lot of homes and it's killing us every single day. we need leadership that cares with multigenerational homes in about our children, about our teachers, about the people -- the staff in our schools, and it, so they 'come home and
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everybody else in this country, infected their mother and that their lives actually matter. grandmother. and a high percent of those and that's how we get our economy jump started, which is young people have a lot offo vitally important. but you cannot skip the critical step of caring for the lives and morbidity, in terms of diabetes, the health of americans. >> former national security obesity and lung issues. >> what's your message to adviser, susan rice. healthy people across the state thank you so much. of florida right now as you look for being on the show. >> thank you all. at the scene inside your icus, and up next, the forgotten what do you want them to know victims of the coronavirus. right now? >> the only thing that will help nbc's keir simmons continues his us with what we're doing today is for them to use the mask and reporting on the people living in countries that were already be socially distant. in crisis and are now facing the we're finding a lot of people added threat of the pandemic. that are aggressive against keep it right here on "morning joe." complying to those environments, that is not unstandable at all. we need to make sure that everybody complies with those issues. that's the only thing that's going to slow down the pandemic in south florida at this point. >> carlos, if i can extend that question, if i understood you correctly, you said we are at least three weeks from the peak?
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we're also several weeks away from a lot of schools in florida opening. they open mid august, some of ♪ them. is it save for children to go back to school, given what you're seeing in your icus and don't just think about where you're headed this summer. emergency rooms? think about how you'll get there. >> when you say florida it's a large state. i can speak to miami. and now that you can lease i know our superintendent, and or buy a new lincoln remotely or in person... in miami-dade county they have not taken a good view of opening discovering that feeling has never been more effortless. schools at this time. looking at today's environment, we were running at 25, 28% the lincoln summer invitation sales event is here. positivity rate on people so here's to the strong, tested. we're testing a lot of people. who trust in our performance and comfortable, we're doing four to five times long-lasting protection. the number of tests we did because your strength is supported by ours. months ago, but the positive depend. the only thing stronger than us, is you. test rates of 25, 28% are not because your strength is supported by ours. indicative of being able to open just between us, you know what's better than mopping? the schools here in miami-dade anything! county. at the end of a long day, >> thank you. it's the last thing i want to do. best of luck to you, i hope you
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barbershops and also hair salons unless they can operate outside or pick up services. you mentioned schools, public schools in los angeles and san diego, along with atlanta, will begin the year with students learning from home. students in nashville will start remotely, at least through labor day. here's president trump yesterday on his continued push to reopen schools in the fall. >> what do you tell parents who look at this, look at arizona where a schoolteacher died teaching summer school, parents are concerned about their children's safety. >> schools should be opened. kids want to go to school. but what if you could startdo better than that? you're losing a lot of lives by like adapt. discover. deliver. keeping things closed. in new ways. >> it's stunning how cavalier he to new customers. continues to be about the what if you could come back stronger? reopening of schools. faster. better. a blanket declaration that at comcast business, we want to help you not just bounce back. schools should be reopened. he doesn't make that decision. but bounce forward. we should remind our viewers and now, we're committed to helping you do just that that happens on the local level. with a powerful and reliable internet
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and this is the news all summer and voice solution at a great price. that every parent was dreading, call or go online today. hoping we could get this together but you can't get back to school unless you get your infection rate down and that's not happening in this country. >> everybody wants the kids to go back to school. also yesterday, president trump blamed the obama administration and also an increase in testing. when asked by reporters yesterday about the recent surge in cases across the country. >> if you know, biden and obama stopped their testing, you probably know that, i'm sure you don't want to report it. they stopped testing, right in the middle they went, no more testing. and -- on a much lesser problem than the problem we have. we test more than anybody by joining us now, nbc news far. and when you test you create senior international correspondent keir simmons. keir, you have new reporting on cases. so we've created cases. how the coronavirus pandemic is some countries they test when impacting syria and lebanon as somebody walks into a hospital the region grapples with the sick or walks into a doctor's virus amid protests and a civil war. office, but usually a hospital, what did you find out?
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that's the testing they do so they don't have cases. >> reporter: that's right, mika. good morning. whereas the testing we do, we just think about how hard the have all of these cases. so it's a double edged sword. coronavirus has hit us here in europe, there in the u.s. >> it's not clear what obama-era now imagine that in syria, where thousands upon thousands of testing program trump is people literally do not have referring to. homes to hide in. let's bring in sam stein and in italy, under siege from president assad's forces backed by russia and iran, over the yamiche alcindor. weekend they just recorded their yamiche -- we're going to get to first case of coronavirus. the effort to discredit dr. just after we recorded some of the interviews in the piece fauci in just a moment. you're about to hear. if the virus takes hold in but it does leave us with, if they find a way to discredit him, it looks like it's idlib, there is literally nothing of it standing in the backfiring, if they find a way way of decimating the lives of to do so, is the president going so many. to be our scientist in chief? amidst the rubble of syria's civil war, the fear of famine because everything he says about the coronavirus seems to be a and more misery with the bit off, if that's -- if that's coronavirus. millions are grappling with the not an understatement. most basic of questions -- where is the safest place to sleep? >> there are multiple -- obviously multiple examples of amon, his name changed to the president saying things that protect him and his family, made
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are just plain wrong about the coronavirus. i think the president is seeking the heart-wrenching decision to to be not just the commander in return to their bombed out home. chief but the chief scientist in this country. the house has been probably he's telling americans all over destroyed by 60 or 70%. the country believe me over people you're talking to, this is the only room left standing in the house, he says. including your own local officials, governor, in this case the president said in march when his granddaughter first saw their home, scarred by fighting, anyone who wants a test can get a test, it wasn't true then, not she broke into tears. they had been sheltering in a true now, continues to not be true. nearby camp after fleeing their he's the only one talking about home, frightened for their testing being as double edged lives. but now share the same fear of sword. people want to know who has the contracting the virus, like coronavirus because it's everyone else around the world. critical to tracing it and we have been staying in a tent stopping it. what we see in president trump with three families, he says. is someone who's weighing if the we were really worried we might catch the virus, so we said, political calculations, saying let's come back here with the the best thing for my kids to be safer. re-election is for people to feel like things are normal. a decade of constant come as a result you see him pushing for schools to be open, states barredments has annihilated. to go back open. the problem is when you see a now aid agencies are warning, governor like ron desantis in my the worst is yet to come. in rebel-held idlib, for years home state of florida listening under siege from president
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to the president, he took a victory lap saying everyone assad's forces, coronavirus could be the breaking point. thought things were going to be terrible in florida they're not. we're lucky we have been mostly now we're in a situation where cut off to the world, this florida is the new epicenter and doctor tells us. people are terrified, including god forbid the moment we get one republicans. i think president trump is going case, it will be a catastrophe. to continue to take this across the border in neighboring political risk, and it is a lebanon, already home to the risk. he's leaning on the facts he can largest per capita refugee get reelected by putting the population on earth, the global crisis has left the country on coronavirus in the rear view its knees like never before. mirror. >> domestic violence was at the white house yesterday for a the u.n. has been testing meeting with mark meadows, refugees across lebanon for covid-19, but with thousands of refugee living in deep poverty, according to a white house official. they told nbc news the chat was one of lebanon's top infectious a good conversation. disease doctors is preparing for he did not meet with president the worst. >> we have a lot of refugees in trump. dr. fauci said recently he was not briefed and has not been lebanon, we have syrian refugee, briefed by the president in at least two months and has not in camps with overcrowding. seen him in person since early june. if we don't fight a good fight in advance of that meeting, against covid, it might spread rapidly. white house social media >> reporter: a strict lebanese director dan can sereno mocked lockdown has controlled its fragile health service.
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dr. fauci sharing a cartoon of but lebanon was under massive him depicted as a faucet on strain even before coronavirus and the collapsing world economy social media. in a message, he promised to that followed. its own economic and political crisis went into overdrive last publically disagree with fauci while suggesting the top health fall. months before mass demonstrations in america, official had leaked millions of lebanese of all ages from across sectarian line s tok disagreements cowardly on social to the streets protesting media. and this saying he provided an decades of government corruption and financial mismanagement. op-ed style memo. >> the coronavirus will exacerbate rapidly and deeply despite all of this, president the basic problems that led trump flatly denied reports that people to go out onto the his administration is attempting streets. the desperation and anger that people felt and humiliation. to discredit dr. fauci, as did >> reporter: now the country is even more broken. the white house press secretary. >> i have a very good its currency losing over 85% of relationship with dr. fauci. its value. and people are even more i had for a long time, from the furious. we spoke to a group of young beginning, i find him to be a activists who have taken to the nice person. i don't always agree with him. streets from the beginning. i like him, personally. >> i do have hope. i do think the youth and older >> there's no opposition generation combined put their research being dumped to forces together. reporters. there shouldn't be a reason this we were asked a specific can't succeed. question by "the washington >> do you worry about infection?
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post" and that question was, do you worry about the president trump noted that dr. coronavirus? >> the people are going down on fauci made some mistakes and we the streets really have nothing more to lose anymore. provided a direct answer to what they have reached such level of was a direct question. dr. fauci and the president have desperation that is always had a good working unprecedented in lebanon. i'm saying this even after we relationship. >> "the washington post," greg went through a civil war not sergeant points out all this has long ago. >> reporter: and they say that accomplished is unleash black lives matter protests in the u.s. have been an intensified media scrutiny of inspiration. >> asking for the people in the relationship between trump government, people that have been stealing from us, people that are the cause of all the and fauci, and new reporting that illustrates trump's trouble in this country to be held accountable. pathologies with a new depth and >> every time we see a protest from the black lives matter, vividness. let's be clear what happened as they would fuel ours. we listened to kayleigh mcenany you can see the pain in people'r yesterday. several reporters brought up the better future but say many country as soon as possible. document that brought up dr. >> i think my greatest fear is fauci's statements that were on a personal level for all of lebanon's youth. wrong. and now dan scavino, out in the at least those that are capable of leaving will leave. open, put his name on it, >> reporter: the spector of yet another middle eastern country
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attacking dr. fauci in the plunged into chaos and poverty. middle of the crisis as it explodes. a place where millions have >> who are you going to trust on already come in search of a pandemic? a guy who's a famous infectious shelter. all happening in this shadow of the coronavirus crisis. disease expert or the white house social media director, that should worry everyone. it's tough. it's fascinating that those it's a classic case of trump pro-democracy, anti-corruption scapego scapegoating. obviously bizarre in tendencies protests in lebanon began before but this is what the president does, he looks at the problem as the black lives matter movement but yet at the same time have a pr problem and wants to cast felt inspired by that movement. blame elsewhere. and the way that coronavirus fauci has been off on a few of threatens those protests and the his earlier predictions but not way they are still pushing on. as bad as some of the top white you know, we've talked about how house officials. the coronavirus is going to keep in mind it was only a couple weeks ago that mike pence change history around the world. that is a good example. penned an op-ed saying there it is certainly going t of mise. would be no second wave. >> nbc's keir simmons, thank you the problem that dr. fauci faces he's not willing to face rosie very much for your reporting. we look forward to more. we're going to take a turn now and joining us now, pictures about the campaign he tells it like it is. best-selling author daniel and for the administration silva. his new book "the order" is set trying to down play the severity in the vatican around the death of the crisis, that's of a pope with a -- with plot problematic.
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but this is the administration that looks at everything as a pr lines that include the rise of problem. far right populism and an i go back to the president's comments on testing as an upcoming global pandemic. example. i don't understand if he you always do this, daniel, with these amazing books. believes that if you have fewer there are so many. tests this thing would go away. they're all best sellers. if we had ten pregnant women but but you're drawing on the moment. this moment in history in many five tests we wouldn't have half the births. ways. when did you start writing this it makes no sense but he goes book? >> i started working on the book back to this as if it is the e last fall. it was inspired by the absolute lick elixir at hand. as long as he has that mindset that if we bury our heads in the hatred, the vitriol directed sand this wouldn't be a big toward pope francis by the deal, you'll have him butting european far right. he is the boogie man for them. heads with people like dr. it's sort of put, you know, one anthony fauci, because he doesn't want to hear numbers of piece together. started building the story from it. we're at a point the president there. and as i was finishing the book, is looking for a scapegoat for his failures. the coronavirus puzz starting. >> isn't he going to butt-heads so the story is set largely in with supporters because if any italy on the eve of this of his supporters know someone or suffered from the
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coronavirus, they know how terrible pandemic. dangerous it is. and also, they see that the my characters inhabit rome, president is not having rallies. venice, florence, and so i was they see that they had to cancel writing it really with a heavy heart for the italian people. one in new hampshire and they claimed it was the weather, they i spend a lot of time there. see that it wasn't raining at not knowing that within a few weeks later, we were going to all. like how exactly can they hold have it, you know, unfortunately, much worse with this up? them. is there anybody in the white we didn't learn any lessons. house trying to get the we didn't lock down. president to really get more in we didn't do all the things that line with science? were necessary. >> what i hear from my sources and now they are coming out of is that at the end of the day, it, and we in the united states the president is going to do here are still in the thick of it with no end in sight. what the president is going to do. the task force continues to >> dan, it's willie. great to see you. meet, dr. anthony fauci goes to congratulations on your the white house for those meetings but the president is on soon-to-be next seller. an island of his own, he wants obviously, by the time the pandemic hits, even in italy, to lash out and whatever he you've got your story in place. but you begin the book with a wants to. prophecy about a global he's approaching the coronavirus pandemic. how did you take what was much like other scandals, impeachment and other places happening in the news and plug calling it a hoax, then saying that into the story you already had in your mind and probably this is maybe bad but i'm going down on the page?
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to get through it, we'll all get >> you know, i would write in through it. in this case the question you the real world sort of one step asked is the question of the 2020 election. removed. it's just a little different are trump supporters going to from the universe that we make president trump pay a price for the way he's handled the coronavirus pandemic? that's going to be, i think, inhabit. and i had to make a decision. what's on the ballot. is this going to be a the sense in the white house is cataclysmic event? that's where this ultimately is this something i should going to lie. include in the book? and i ended up doing it, and it not in polls or what the president says on a daily basis, it's how voters react to the was sort of gabriel making president's thinking on this. i think it is remarkable to see almost a biblical-like prophecy of a coming apocalypse and that dr. anthony fauci is now the person who the white house warning a character, a friend of his, about what might happen. is attacking. and unfortunately, it turned out to have dan scavino use his name to be true. and one of the things he talked about warned about would be the on facebook for all to see and for him to feel comfortable to inability of populist leaders to do, obviously he's gotten the deal with this. and if you look around the world feeling from the president he right now, what you see is that can attack dr. fauci and there won't be any repercussions. technocratic leaders have fared >> we'll see. very well in their handling of still ahead on "morning joe," a the coronavirus. and the populists have failed
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federal judge delays a ruling on miserably, whether it is great whether migrant parents detained britain, whether it's brazil or whether it is the united states. by i.c.e. should be released. the distrust of science, the playing to the lowest common meaning children could be separated this friday. and later, two members of former denominator of the electorate. the three major populist president barack obama's national security team, susan governments have failed rice and jeh johnson join the terribly. and technocratic governments, germany -- i mean, a couple of years ago, we were talking about conversation. but first, let's go to bill greece as an almost failed karins with a check on the forecast. >> a stormy day, and the epic state. well, they got rid of their populist government. they got some grown-ups in heat wave continues in the charge. south. watching the storms rolling and greece has just done an through kansas, a stormy morning extraordinary job handling the in south dakota and minnesota and we'll see additional storms, coronavirus pandemic. the populists, not so much, as maybe an isolated tornado or we say. >> mike barnicle? two. areas of concerns, iowa through >> daniel, first of all, there's central wisconsin and a sliver an element of sad innocenness i of colorado, kansas, texas 5 appearance here today. usually we're on set every year million people at risk there. at this time. tomorrow the storms head towards we get a book.
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you sign the book for us and i st. louis and chicago, in the reward my wife, one of your same areas headed to the plains into the midwest. biggest fans, with the book. how about the heat, it's been but the vatican is a source of hot the last couple kays, endless, endless stories having arizona to texas we continue to do with whoever is pope at a with 43 million people under particular time. heat advisories. but this particular pope, pope francis, you just alluded to it, that heat today, it's going to feel like 111 degrees in west is surrounded by internal texas. controversy. that's not the desert. much of it based in ideology, dallas 99, houston 97. conservatives, liberals, aimed and then that heat is going to spread to the east coast by the at pope francis. how much of that surprised you, time we get to the end of the week. and how much of it helped define wednesday gets very hot in the character of this book? nashville, memphis and >> well, my readers know that i've had a long-running sort of shreveport. subseries of thrillers that have d.c., 95 on saturday. been set in the vatican, have cooler in northern new england today and areas of the pacific dealt with internal church northwest. our final graphic today, just because we had these other issues, corruption, the history issues in 2020, we can't forget of jewish/catholic relations. about one of our biggest problems on the planet, that's and he's had a wonderful global warming. halfway through the year, second partnership with my fictitious hottest year to date, all time pope, pope paul vii. record heat across northern
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and pope paul vii and francis siberia. and here we are on track for have a little similarity. florida to have its hottest year they are both opposed by ever recorded. that issue is not going away and internal doctrineare reactionary something we need to solve. looking this morning, a beautiful sun rise from d.c. up hard-liners and opposed by far to the northeast. right politicians. that's the george washington bridge and you're looking at the and, look, i've been endlessly hudson river. fascinated by the vatican. you're watching morni"morning ." i love spending time there. we'll be right back. orning joe." i love writing about it. we'll be right bk.ac i like liberty mutual. and, look, it is -- you cannot understate -- overstate, excuse me, the crisis in which the modern church is in. the moral crisis because of the sexual abuse scandal. the coming financial crisis. i'm told by vatican insiders they get that no two people are alike and customize your car that the church is very, very close to bankruptcy. insurance so you only pay for what you need. we've had archdiocese -- excuse what do you think? i don't see it. only pay for what you need. me, diocese and orders in the ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ united states declare bankruptcy, but the church
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>> and you wrote all about it. you can find that in "the washington post." that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks, mika. hi there. i'm stephanie ruhle. it's tuesday, july 14th. here are the facts at this hour. we start with the largest state in the country shutting down businesses all over again after the most recent spike in coronavirus. the governor of california ordered all restaurants to stop serving indoors and shut down bars completely. gyms, malls, barber shops, offices, churches are also being closed across most of the state. at the very same time, california's two largest public school districts in los angeles
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a federal judge will not rule until next week on whether migrant parents detained by i.c.e. in family detention centers should be released. the decision will now come after the july 17th deadline imposed by a federal judge in california for all children to be released from i.c.e.'s three family detention centers to reduce any
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exposure to covid-19. joining us now, nbc news correspondent julia ainsley. what does this delay mean for the children and the parents right now being held in these facilities? >> well, mika, this decision yesterday or potential decision yesterday that's been delayed, that would have been one of the last fail saves to keep the families together because as you know the families in i.c.e. detention, about 360 of them, they were staring down the friday deadline since the california judge said the children need to be released but she didn't have jurisdiction over the parents. the judge that has the jurisdiction over the parents said he would wait until next week to make his decisions. and listening to the arguments and questions, it seems he would side with a limited release, releasing certain parents he
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thinks are higher exposure to covid-19. the argument from the lawyers is the parents may be soon faced with an impossible decision of having to either keep their children with them in detention or release them. the reason they might be faced with that decision is because in that california court, there's a negotiation happening between the two sides are lawyers are having to decide whether or not to give parents a choice to stay with their children or release them. i said wouldn't every parent decide to keep their child with them, and a lawyer for the parents yesterday told me because the rates of covid has started to rise in i.c.e. facilities, over 3,000 across the country, there are parents telling the lawyers they are considering giving up their children in order to save their lives. >> julia, let me ask you the
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obvious question. the courts are looking at the parents and children as two separate entities. if the parents are not released and the children, where are the children going? >> that's the best question. because they don't know. the lawyers don't know. they told me yesterday that government has made no commitments to whether the children will be deported, continue their asylum hearings, whether they'll go into the custody of health and human services. what we think, if thenm respecting the children, they may come up with a form that will have to give certain safeguards to the children saying they can stay in the united states, they can go to a family member or someone designated by the parent in custody, someone they trust in the yooiunited states who can t
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care of them, but right now the government has made no promise in each of these cases. it's something we have to watch before friday because the bottom could be falling out on these families. >> thank you so much more for your reporting on this this. a new york judge lifted a temporary retraining order on mary trump, the president's niece, one day before the tell all bid. the bid by the president's brother, robert trump, to block the book's publication, didn't pass legal muster. the contents of the book had, quote, already reached millions of people by the tremendous attention it's gained by the h book in public. it's scheduled to hit shelves today. what is the white house saying about this? this book does not shed a kind
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light on the president. >> the white house press secretary has already come out bashing the book. she said she hasn't read the back yet but she has seen excerpts and read the media reports. she thinks this is someone with a vendetta against the president. but what i can tell you as someone who got my hands on the book this weekend you see someone on who knows the trump family well and is someone poised to breakdown the president's personality, his characteristic and where he learned the behavior you're seeing in office, in terms of relying on his instincts, in terms of his moods. i think it's going to be an interesting book and more interesting now that you have mary trump being able to talk about her experience growing up in the trump family and around her uncle. >> yes, and the father/son dynamic is fascinating apparently in the book. coming up on "morning joe,"
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we came to jackson in, i think, early march when this pandemic was really starting to pick up steam. at this point i don't know if miami-dade had a case -- a positive test, maybe a couple. but it was obviously much different than what we're finding here. >> so i think --
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>> florida governor, ron desantis heckled during a news conference at a miami hospital. joining us now, "morning joe" chief medical correspondent dr. dave campbell. dr. dave you've been following what's going on in florida talking to hospital ceos and getting a sense of things. did the heckler have a point? >> very much. the epicenter in florida is miami. and florida is one of the worst states in the country and the united states is the worst country in the world. so there's no doubt that everyone should realize that this is not some hoax. it's not a -- it doesn't need to be a political statement. the state of florida and other states across the country are being inundated with new cases. the lagging effect of those new cases will be increasing hospitalizations and increasing
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deaths. the next few weeks could be and will be really a crisis of unprecedented proportions and miami is sitting in the middle of it. you've spoken to the ceo at jackson, my alma mater. it's important to realize that even with steps being taken in miami and other counties in south florida from broward to palm beach, steps taken by doctors to limit the number of inpatient elective cases they do, steps taken by administrators to keep beds open when possible, even with that, the icu beds at jackson memorial, as we have now heard, are almost at capacity. and as this density of infection spreads up from miami-dade to broward to palm beach county, we are sitting here in palm beeach
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county, where i am today, wat working, watching a slow moving hurricane coming up the coast and it's centered over miami mika. >> correct me if anything i have said is wrong, if we don't mitigate in florida in a big way, and potentially lockdown again, this is going to get worse? >> there are a lot of steps that need to be taken right now, and it's going to get worse either way, mika. it's going to get worse in the next few weeks either way, but to keep it from getting more worse, more severe, excuse me, we need to, as individuals, really every single person in the state needs to address their own personal behaviors. wearing face masks, going outside when you can, if there are two or more people together,
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if they can be outside, it's 20 times safer than being inside. hand hygiene, physical distancing, all of the things that everybody knows about now and have learned over the next few months is so critical right now, exactly now today this week and for the next few weeks to dramatically decrease the spread of this virus, and having the government put into effect measures that will force some of these behaviors. if that means shutting some things down, we're already partially shutdown, bars are shutdown, in-restaurant dining is shutdown. so every day this changes and we will see over the next few weeks, much more impactful changes that come down to us. >> so, dr. dave, i just would love your opinion on this. as someone who knows florida well but also has been following the coronavirus pandemic, it's
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july 14th. we're one month away from some schools reopening, they open about mid august,@l athletic programs start -- what's your opinion on schools opening? >> first you said i have been following this. let me tell you, this is my first day back at work, after having tested positive and quarantined. so i know quite well personally this disease and the number of other individuals i know locally that have contracted this is staggering. it's important to realize children can and do contact with this disease. children do transmit this disease to others. children will bring this virus back to their home and allow it to circulate through their own house, through their own parents, their own grandparents.
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so we should prepare for the reality that when schools reopen, even with really vigorous mitigation and containment measures that are really up to the individual schools and school districts to enact, we could easily see yet more surging of the cases in areas where the schools reopened. there's no easy way out of this mika. >> dr. dave campbell, glad you're back up and running and feeling bng on today. still ahead we'll talk to the woman trying to leader mit and whose race could be key to flipping the senate. kentucky democrat amy mcgrath joins us. "morning joe" is coming right back. back the course structure the university of phoenix offers-
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the united states capitol, former auburn university coach tommy tubberville and former attorney general jeff sessions face off today to decide who will compete against doug jones in november's election. monica alba has more. >> reporter: in alabama the most influential candidate is not on the ballot. >> donald trump. >> president trump. >> president trump. >> reporter: alabama has the race president trump is the most personally invested in, other than his owns, pitting jeff sessions against tommy tubberville. >> we don't know this man. he is an empty suit. >> you can't fake it. you're either strong or you're not. and jeff sessions, he's not. >> it was in mobile in 2016 that jeff sessions threw on a red hat.
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becoming the first snenator to endorse t endorse donald trump for president. despite the immigration policy, the president never forgave sessions for his recruiusal fro the russia investigation. >> as you know, the attorney general said i'm going to recuse myself. >> the president was itching to campaign against jeff sessions in march. one week later the president endorsed tubberville and in june they travelled together aboard air force one. jeff sessions took the blow and continued to endorse his boss. >> did i write a tell all book? no. did i go on cnn and attack the
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president, nope? >> reporter: but that devotion ended after trump told alabama not to trust their senator. but sessions fired back, i did my duty and you're fortunate i did. >> reporter: the president piled on. >> he's not qualified to be attorney general. jeff sessions was a total disaster. >> we're going to finish what president trump started when he looked at jeff sessions from across the stable and said you're fired. >> reporter: the republican primary was unlike any, beset by delays from coronavirus, a bus fire and debates by debates. >> not there, dodging again. >> reporter: but the race has been more about supporting the presidents. >> i'm going to stand with president donald trump on building the wall and cracking down on illegal immigration. >> reporter: tubberville is trying to trick you. >> reporter: for years sessions was untouchable in his home
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state drawing no challenge in his last race for senate, he gave it up to serve the president and now, because of the president, he may never get it back. >> this race has everything, monica alba reporting for us. meanwhile, president trump spoke on a call last night with tommy tubberville ahead of the run off. the president never shy of his admiration for the football dynasty nick saban built. mentioned the success tubberville had. president trump got saban's first name wrong in the call, calling him lou. tommy did have a lot of success against alabama and probably did get nick saban to tuscaloosa.
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you have the president faattackg his former attorney general for recusing himself and jeff sessions defending president trump, trying to keep himself close to the president of the united states, even as the president attacks him. what do you pekts to see when we wake up tomorrow morning? >> this feels like a caricature of something in a political campaign like the will feral mo movie. >> yes. the weight rooms, the squats. >> it's been an embarrassing ride for jeff sessions. you know, this is not obviously how he imagined things would go. the president has more or less challenged his dignity and called on voters to reject him. and it seems likely that will be the case. and just sort of an inglorious
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final chapter for jeff sessions if it is. we could wake up tomorrow and he pulls out a miracle. fortunately doug jones winning was miraculoumiraculous, and co lot about president trump at this time. but if that is the case, look at how jeff sessions had to contort himself throughout the primary, the ads he ran, almost pleading with trump to stop banging on him. it's not something you normally see in politics and suggests that everything in republican politics right now is done through the prism of trump and it's about expressing loyalty to the president. seems like arn unhealthy way to go about doing national politics. >> despite everything we saw jeff sessions pull on the make america great hat in his first ads when he was announcing he was running, he's tried to stay
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as close to president trump to try to reflect some of the glory inside the state of alabama where the president remains popular. it's easy to forget because it feels like a lifetime ago that jeff sessions, as monica pointed out, was the first united states senator to endorse donald trump, lending some credibility to the president's campaign. >> that's right. and jeff sessions really did show a fierce sort of loyalty to president trump early on when he was just candidate-trump in the days when the others were not endorsing him or being next to him on camera. but jeff sessions said i want to put my hat in the race on the side of donald trump, and then became attorney general for that. he stood by the president except for the fact that he felt he had to recuse himself from the russia investigation and the
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president never forgave him. banged on him in office, stories where jeff sessions was running out of the white house having to be convinced to come back in. now you see jeff sessions as someone who's realizing the voters of president trump might be the final nail in his political coffin, even if this race is close, it doesn't seem like jeff sessions will be able to get the seat back. >> yamiche and sam, thank you both for being on this morning. coming up, coronavirus infections are skyrocketing in miami-dade county in florida, but so far the mayor is refusing to issue new closures. plus we'll be joined by former national security advisor susan rice and former homeland security secretary jeh johnson. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. g "morning " we'll be right back. . ...and new adventures. you hope the more you give the less they'll miss.
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far. and when you test, you create cases. so we've created cases. i can tell you some countries they test when somebody walks into a hospital sick or walks o but usually a hospital. that's the testing they do, so they don't have cases. whereas the testing we do, we have all of these cases so it's a double edged sword. >> when you test, you create cases. welcome back to "morning joe," tuesday july 14th, joe has the morning off. along with willie and me we have mike barnicle, katty kay. and political analyst eugene robinson with us this hour. let's start off with the situation in miami where testing has led to cases which has led to hospitalizations. it's now the epicenter of the
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coronavirus pandemic. florida had its second worse day for new infections yesterday adding well over 12,000 cases just a day after shattering the record for highest number of single day cases of any state in america. miami-dade county was responsible for a quarter of yesterday's new case s and represents about 20% of the total number of infections statewide. health advisers to miami-dade's mayor describe the situation as grave. the mayor is resisting pressure to close more businesses despite having way more infections and hospitalizations compared to march when he ordered all nonessential businesses to close. an infectious disease specialist at the university of miami said the situation was like what was happening in wuhan, china five months ago and new york three months ago. lawmakers are calling on the
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federal government to coordinate with state and local leaders. 98% of icu betds in miami-dade are occupied, icu admissions are up 66%, hospitalizations up 65%, and havenventilator use up 68%. the ceo of memorial hospital in florida says we are busting at the seams in the emergency room, i'm busting at the seams inside the hospital, i'm busting at the seams in terms of icus. it's grave. the challenge she said is staffing. one doctor telling a local reporter, quote, we're really burned out. willie. >> across the country in california, that state under lockdown again as cases there surge. yesterday the governor ordered every county in the state to close indoor restaurants, movie
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theatres, bars and wineries. it is a major pull back from the state's effort to recover economically to the pandemic. health officials have zeroed in on bars with lack of physical distancing and customer face coverings. also noting, governor newsom ordered 30 counties to close gyms, houses of worships, barbershops, hair salons, malls unless they can operate outside and offer pick up services. and now los angeles and atlanta will start with schools remotely. here's president trump yesterday on the push to reopen schools in the fall. >> what do you tell parents who look at this, look at arizona where a schoolteacher recently
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died teaching summer school, pas parents are worried about safety -- >> schools should be opened. you're losing a lot of lives by keeping things closed. >> i said schools opening in the fall, it's not the fall really, this is coming in a few weeks for school districts across the country. you've seen l.a., san diego, nashville others saying we're going to start remotely we hope to get back into the school building some time this year. and to take schools as an independent subject from what's happening in the health crisis is beyond flawed. it makes no sense. you have to get your case numbers down, all these metrics that public health officials have been talking about suppressed so you can then open the schools. they're not independent from one another. the president says basically throw open the doors of the schools and see what happens. >> yeah, i imagine look at the
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polling that's come out this morning in had axios suggesting that parents are much more cautious than the president is doing. whatever he says about opening schools, which he can't insist to do, 71% saying they feel nervous about that prospect. i've been talking to educators around the world how they did it. and it's a laborious process, it's an expressive process to get the schools open as well, but the difference is they had infection rates much lower. florida it seems unthinkable to have schools reopen there with the numbers they are. if you can't get your numbers low, i have been told by educators in germany and denmark, you can't open schools. you have to have the infection rate much more under control than the united states does. it's tragic to look at america today, which is shutting down, i'm talking to my friends and
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family in europe and things are opening up. they're going to school, going on holiday, going to restaurants, they're seeing people. and here we are, we're shutting down again. i can't overestimate the degree to which america looks like the pyorrhea at the moment. it's just got it wrong so badly compared to every westernized country and schools is an indication of that. >> actually, there's a great piece in "the washington post" entitled "trump's performance on covid-19 looks especially bad compared with the rest of the world" it's written by brian claus and says in part this, the reality is this, trump's response to the pandemic measured against the efforts of other developed countries has been an unmitigated disaster. when you compare the united states with other countries, no spin or lies can obscure a basic
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fact. trump's response to the pandemic has been a world leading catastrophe. there are undeniably small differences in how data are measured and tracked but the gulf between america's caseload and everyone else's is so vast that it can't be explained or wished away. this conclusion, the pandemic was unavoidable but america's dire circumstances were a policy choice. the rest of the developed world followed science, the united states followed trump. in november voters should look around the world, realize how badly we stack up, and cast their ballots accordingly. history will look on this, mike barnicle, i believe, the way istory is filled with people who became giants during moments of quite critical conditions.
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fdr, dwight eisenhower in the three or four days prior to june 6, 1944 was smoking four packs of cigarettes a day as he made the decision whether to send that fleet across the english channel and invade occupied france and defeat the germans in world war ii, the fact is a sad, sad fact, mika, is that covid-19 has defeated america thus far because of largely one thing, an epic lack of leadership by the man who led this hour, the president of the united states. an epic lack hof leadership and failure to make hard decisions. 825,000 students are going to be studying online in los angeles and san diego. thir things like that that are going to make more difficult for americans because the president of the united states took a
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medical emergency, a virus, an epidemic, a global epidemic, that is crippling the united states of america and turned it into simple stupid things like wear a mask, don't wear a mask, it's all up to you. there has been no effective leadership out of the oval office in this country. that's i think the defining factor in why we are losing the war against covid-19. >> there are scientists, top leading doctors, pandemic experts who will say that lives were lost because of decisions made from the top down. also yesterday when asked by reporters about the recent surge in cases across the country, president trump had this to say about the obama administration. >> if you know, biden and obama stopped their testing. they just stopped it. you probably know that, i'm sure
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you don't want to report it, but they stopped testing. right in the middle, they went no more testing. and on a much lesser problem than the problem we have. >> okay. >> it's not entirely clear what obama-era testing program president trump was referring to. gene robinson any ideas? >> no, no idea. he's making stuff up as usual. testing does not create cases of covid-19. testing reveals cases of covid-19. >> right. >> testing shows what's happening. it's like saying, if i don't look for termites that are eating my house, there won't be any. no there might be termites you need to look for them and find them. we're not doing as much testing per capita as other countries so
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there are cases going undiscovered, unreported in this country, and the comparisons are shocking and it's shocking that they keep getting worse rather than better. we're not catching up with the europeans or the asians, the other developed nations that encountered the exact same virus, in the exact same way, and we are just -- we are losing to this virus. and the president's lack of a rational response is -- has made everything much worse. states now have to shutdown yet again, which shouldn't be happening. it's creating all these problems with the schools. opening the schools is not a partisan issue. everybody would love to see the schools open, but you have to have the right conditions for
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that and you have to spend the money to do it right. and the president is not interested in doing either of those. so it's no wonder that the axios polling shows parents are nervous about it, why wouldn't they be nervous about it. they're not prepared. this is a disaster that's getting worse, rather than better and that's shocking at this point. >> katty kay, speaking at an event, dr. anthony fauci who has now come under attack from the white house, linked the rush to reopen to this spike in coronavirus cases. here's what he said. >> the europeans have done it, people in asia have done it. we did not shutdown entirely, and that's the reason why when we went up, we started to come down and then we plateaued at a level that was quite high, about 20,000 infections a day. then as we started to reopen, we're seeing the jusurges that
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we're seeing today. >> if you look back in early march we were saying on the show, we can't trust donald trump's hunches about a public health crisis, we have to listen to the doctors, the cdc, it turns out magical thinking and hoping and wishing this will go away as the president said many times it will disappear, when it gets warmer out it will disappear. turns out that's not a strategy that saves lives. turns out listening to doctors does. now we have a white house behind the scene creating opposition research pointing out the times that dr. anthony fauci was wrong. this is somebody on their own task force they're attacking and suggesting the media tell the american public not to listen to. in fact, listen to the president's hunches. and look where those have got us. >> so there are a couple things
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that dr. anthony fauci himself would say he would change, the need to change people's behavior, and people shouldn't wear masks back in february and early march. but that was because he wanted to keep masks for health care workers. but the fact that you have a white house criticizing their own top doctors in the middle of a pandemic is like what the white house pulling out of the w.h.o. in the middle of a pandemic, you turn against the doctors, the medical society because they are saying things you don't want to hear. the internal conflict for the president has been handling the virus against his own political fortunes. he put them on separate tracks. if only he put them on the same track. if right from the beginning he thought to himself, my political fortunes are tied up with how i handle this virus, so i'm going to do everything i can to do the
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right thing, keep the country shutdown, we won't open up before it's necessary but he separated those two tracks and that's where the conflict has come in and led him to be critical of his doctors because they are the ones saying we have to shutdown more. fauci has been, in several interviews he's given the last couple weeks, he's been scathing about how the process was handled, specifically on the issue of opening too soon. why did america open too soon? partly because people were impatient, but people in spain had eight weeks they did not leave their apartments, i had friends that walked around her apartment three miles a day and didn't leave her apartment for eight weeks. so people were impatient, the president was impatient, and the leadership in the white house gave in to that impatience. and as dr. fauci said yesterday,
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america has to get its numbers down. you couldn't get from italy to ge germany or france so you couldn't take the virus with you. america can't do that. i'm in washington d.c., i don't want a load of people coming here from florida or arizona, there's no way to stop them, that's the way the virus travels. but it's a question of management and encouraging places to open up before they were ready to do so. that's what set america back, that's what's making it look worse in its handling this. >> dr. fauci is in no way infallible, he made mistakes at the beginning of the crisis, not asking us to wear masks we know that was a mistake now. but the president, i wish this were a joke, but the president by virtue of a retweet is asking the american people to listen to more people to the former host
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of "love connection" that the cdc is to be ignored. not a joke. that's a fact. >> that's a problem. president trump was asked if next month's convention in jacksonville can proceed given the spike in florida's coronavirus cases you would think they would not hold the rnc in florida especially now, but here's president trump's response. >> are you going to be able to hold the convention in jacksonville with the virus spreading? >> we're going to see it built up a little bit but we 'going to do something great. we think we're doing well. >> several republican lawmakers say they do not plan to attend the convention, including 7 gop senators, lamar alexander, roy blunt, susan collins, chuck grassley, lisa murkowski, mitt
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romney. congressman hood said everyone assumes no one is going. he was one of eight gop house members who told the times they plan to skip their party's convention. mike barnicle, who in the hell would go to florida to a convention to be packed together like they were in tulsa, where the trump campaign ripped the stickers off the seats that would provide some guidance for social distancing and stuffed people together in a sweaty arena and spread the pandemic so they could have their photo op of lots of people clapping for trump. who would go to something like that? >> i have no idea, mika. i have no idea. this is just another piece of anecdotal evidence as to how far this country has sunk in its battle against this epidemic. and it continues every day.
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i mean, every story we have read today and yesterday and the day before yesterday, blah, blah, blah, every story is a portrait of incompetence and corruption within this administration. but incompetence leads the league here today. the incompetence of this president and this administration. i think, gene, it's ant to be topped off by the debate, the argument at national levels, political levels about how to open schools or if schools ought to be open. i think from an anecdotal point of view, talking to people in line at grocery stores, people will gamble on power ball tickets, mega millions tickets, horse races and ball games, but they will not gamble with their children's health and safety. and that is something that the
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administration, the president of the united states is going to inevitably bump into. they have betsy devos, the secretary of education, a wealthy woman who has never been in a classroom as an educator standing in front of a classroom and views her job as a hobby. but the school openings i think is going to be a real pivotal point and it's coming up quickly, gene. >> it's coming up right now, mike. all it requires is just a little bit of empathy, a little bit of ability to put yourself in somebody else's shoes to realize how parents will feel or are feeling now about the prospect of sending their kids to school. do you know any children? if you know any children, you know that social distancing is -- it's not something wired into them at that point, right. so they're going to be all over
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each other. they're going to be crowded together. leaving aside for the minute -- you can't leave it aside, you can't have schools without teachers and support personnel and administrators. so there will be adults in the school, adults particularly vulnerable to the virus. but children will pick up the virus and bring it home to their parents, grandparents, other care givers. it simply is inevitable, clear as day, that's what will happen with infection rates this high. that's why other nations that are opening schools and doing it successfully and carefully, step by step, first managed to get the infection rate down as close to zero as possible. so in european countries, it's a
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bad day in germany if they have 400 new cases in the whole country on an given day right now. that's a bad day in italy right now. here we're talking 12,000 just in florida just yesterday. you know, a 15,000 day just in florida. >> the day before. >> the day before. it's just astounding. rates are way, way too high, in my opinion. and i think in the opinion of most medical professionals to open the school doors and say everybody come on back. that's a recipe for utter disaster. >> there's a lot of fear about the schools opening. i think, you know, if someone was advising the president and wanted to try and instill in him understanding why they may want to do more intense mitigation in florida, talk to him about it
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from a political point of view. florida has a lot of seniors, a lot of cases will mean a lot of deaths and a lot of those deaths could be seniors who are scared they would get the coronavirus and die. if you look at the latest poll, joe biden is up 6% in florida. as tim russert said, florida, florida, florida, can't win without florida. and according to the cbs news yougov poll, donald trump is losing in florida. his response to the pandemic really seems to be playing out here in these polls. it might be good for the president politically to step up on fighting the pandemic. still ahead on "morning joe," she's a retired marine, who flew 89 combat missions as a fighter pilot. now amy mcgrath is on a new mission trying to unseat senate
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all right. the key senate race for kentucky, democratic challenger amy mcgrath raised $17.4 million in the second quarter. another sign of the party's momentum as she takes on majority leader mitch mcconnell in the upcoming election. and amy joins us now. welcome back to the show, amy mcgrath. the last time you were on was exactly a year ago. you were just rolling out your first ad. so, wow, congratulations, here you are. what have you learned over the past year? >> well, the people of kentucky are really ready for a change. you know, the coronavirus has hit us hard just like everywhere else around this country and people are tired of a senator
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that has been in washington for 35 years and has not put the interests of kentucky and its residents ahead of the interest of his special interest and big money friends and they are calling and demanding change. i think that's what you saw in the primary with the enormous turnout, and it's exciting. >> what data, what information has your campaign picked up tangible to know that you have a chance to beat mitch mcconnell who has been there for over 30 years, that people really are ready for a change and they will make that change? what have you learned or what has your campaign found out about the voters in the state of kentucky that would make you believe that they would unseat him for you? >> well, first of all, the primary that just happened we had enormous turnout, more than in decades. and folks are really ready to
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get rid of him. i think no matter where you go, whether it's louisville or eastern kentucky, folks are hurting. and they are tired of a man who continually prioritizes things like tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% and big corporations. kentucky had a lot of problems before the coronavirus. we had the highest cancer rates in the country, some of the highest rates of diabetes. and folks here are tired. they want somebody with common sense solutions, somebody who's not going to go to washington and look at the interest of their political party and personal power. that's my message is, let's get a leader that's going to get really put kentucky first and somebody that's going to do what's right for kentucky no matter who wears a red or blue
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jersey in the white house, that's the opposite of what mitch mcconnell is all about. >> amy, it's willie geist, good to have you on this morning. let's talk about schools. i know you have children. the president of the united states saying again yesterday we have to open our schools, talking about a blanket national policy. obviously this is a state by stdistrict by school district, school by school decision that people are going to have to make. what is your view, as i know kentucky is coming up in a few weeks on the first day of school about whether or not it is safe for schools to open in the state of kentucky right now? >> as a parent, we all want, i think, our children to go back to school if we can. that's the problem. we're in a pchandemic right now. we want schools to be safe. we have to prioritize our kids and teachers, make sure they have the proper protective equipment. look at each individual state
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and where they're at with this pandemic, and make the decision in accordance with public health. that's so important. the other thing that's important is we have to have the resources to go back to school. in the heroes act that was passed that mitch mcconnell is basically sitting on, there's a billion dollars for kentucky schools that he's sitting on. he doesn't prioritize funding for state and local governments. that's our school system. that's our teacher. that is what is going to be required to go back to school safely. and he hasn't prioritized that. it's a real problem. so we have to tackle these things. >> so how has the governor done in your state handling this covid crisis? this is -- the school decision is not independent of the public health decision, so where is kentucky right now?
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if you had to open schools in two or three weeks from now, would you open them? >> i think governor bashir has been a bold leader and done a good job in his handling of the coronavirus and prioritizing public health over the interest of politics and, you know, the interests of the economy. in terms of we all want to get the economy open but he has done a good job saying hey, we have to do this right. i think that's the same attitude he brings to opening schools. we have to do it right. if we do it, let's prioritize public health, make sure the students and teachers have the proper protective equipment to go to school because we want to keep our kids safe. >> mike barnicle has the next question. mike? >> amy, what would you tell an undecided vote erin kentuc-- vo
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kentucky the biggest reason that mitch mcconnell had to be defeated, what would that reason be? >> look around, are things getting any better? this man has been in office for 35 years. is your life better than it was six years ago? he has no vision for the future. we have to have new leaders. if you look at what's happening in this country with the pandemic, 136,000 americans have died, more than all the wars since world war ii combined. if you look at our economy in shama shambl shambles, this is a leader that's got to go. a lot of people here in kentucky believe that. it's not really a partisan thing. but we have to have a vision for the future that prioritizes things like health care. you have seen it now more than ever. we have this pandemic where you have health care tied to your employment and now we have
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massive unemployment. people are hurting. just a few weeks ago i was in the unemployment line talking to folks in frankfurt and we have people who -- single moms whohab because the day cares were closed. and so who's going to take care of the kids? and this young mother was there trying to figure out why her check hadn't fwoen througone th. she's trying to put food on the table. we have to prioritize this. we are in a pandemic of epic proportions here wiand we need lead that. we have to have good solid leaders for the future. mitch mcconnell has operated in washington d.c. for far too long and look at where it's gotten us. >> gene robinson? >> amy, you've raised a lot of
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money, i think you're running a really good campaign. my question is, what are you doing and what -- and your campaign and governor bashir, what are you all doing to make sure that on november 3rd, kentucky residents are able to vote safely, without artificial obstacles that have been created in some other places but most importantly they're able to do so, anyone who wants to vote is able to do so safely? >> well, we learned a lot of lessons from the primary that just happened. and the secretary of state here and the governor here came together and tried to have a safe primary where people could vote, largely by mail, which is different in kentucky. in kentucky we don't have a vote by mail, so this is all new. so it required a lot of voter
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education, which is where my campaign came in. we spent a lot of resources on showing people how they could vote. and getting them their ballots. we have to do that going forward. my hope is that the governor and secretary of state will come together and allow and enforce and push mail-in voting for the fall. because this pandemic is not going away. and hardly anybody who's a public health official thinks so. we have to make sure that people can vote and we have to get them their ballots and it's got to be accessible. we had problems in the primary that we have to fix. we have to do like an after action report on that, fix it and move forward to november so everybody can have their voice heard. >> amy mcgrath, thank you very much. best of luck to you. we'll be reaching out to mitch mcconnell's office to see if he'd like to come on. thank you. speaking of voting, former president barack obama said
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voting by mail shouldn't be a partisan issue and everybody should be able to vote. he tweeted his support for voting by mail and shared a link to an npr article that said the oishl had become politically charged as republicans and president trump fought against it. voting by mail shouldn't be a partisan issue, especially during a pandemic. everybody should be able to request an absentee ballot and make their voice heard in every election. up next, america, russia and 100 years of covert electoral interference. our next guest takes a look at the century long pattern of meddling between the u.s. and russia. and what it means as we head toward november. we're back in just a moment. we're back in just a moment.
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joining us now fellow at yale university, david shiemer, the author of the new book "rigged". also with us for this conversation, former secretary of homeland security under president obama, jeh johnson. i'll start with you first mr. shiemer about the book and about the upcoming election. how worried should americans be that russia will attempt to interfe interfere again? >> sure. and thank you very much for having me. as the book makes clear and the purpose of the book is to show history of the electoral interference, to show what they had done to inters is nothing good. the kgb interfered throughout ourio
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russia interfered massively in the 2016 election and continued to interfere in our politics, had hillary clinton won the election, as i showed in the book. there's no reason to believe that that story will end before the coming election as, you know, folks like robert mueller, chris wray and fiona hill have warned that russia is planning to interfere with the election as it did in the last cycle. >> mr. secretary, you said this book was the best you have read on this topic. why don't you take the next question to mr. shimmer. >> thank you, mika. >> david congratulations on a good book, i thought it was fair, balanced and captured the complexity of the subject. my question to you is, you've heard me say we have to divide the threat into separate bucket, the threat to our election infrastructure, the threat of
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hacking into campaigns and the threat of russia putting out extremist views and fake news to influence the minds of voters. which of those categories right now do you believe represents the most serious threat to our nation and democracy? >> i think both matter, but i think i'm increasingly worried about the stability of our voting process. to take the two buckets, the first is efforts to manipulate voters, last time spreading prop beganda on social media and stealing emails. but it's something that voters should be on guard because they're designed to manipulate them. if our citizens are more aware of those efforts they'll be able to mitigate the effectiveness of them in real time. the second bucket is the exposure of our infrastructure, as i reveal in the book based on the interviews i did with 26
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former president obama advisers, russian military intelligence was targeting our systems in the summer and fall of 2016, had the ability according to folks like john brennan to alter data, to the point on election day itself the white house was running a secret crisis team bracing for a russian cyber attack and that was when barack obama was president. now donald trump is, someone who has solicited rather than sought to deter foreign interference in our election. so perhaps there are reasons to perhaps push harder in causing chaos in our democracy. >> secretary johnson, let me put a question to you. harry reed makes news in david's book, when he says russia changed vote tallies but they succeeded in had it. did you find any evidence that russia changed the number of votes cast for donald trump in
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the 2016 election? >> no, i did not see such evidence while we were in office and i have not heard of any since. we were very concerned about that. to be clear that was probably my principle concern in the summer/fall of 2 registration lists were vulnerable in the hands of state election officials. but as i sit here now, i do not know that russia was able to alter the vote count or suppress votes, voter registration lists. but there's plenty to be concerned about as david outlines in his book, i believe the threat is ongoing, russia has never withdrawn from this behavior and it's something we should be very concerned about in 2020. >> so david, what evidence did harry reed provide to you that votes were changed? because obviously that is the worst case scenario as you lay out in the book, that is the great fear that russia or
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another power could change the number of votes cast for one candidate or another and make a person president who did not win enough votes to become president. >> what senator reed told me was based on the concerns expressed to him by officials like secretary johnson prior to the election about the voting systems given the slim margin by which donald trump won, he's convinced that russia did alter the vote count and in the coming decades it will come out as russian leaders talk more directly about that. i want to be clear he didn't have any direct evidence of it. and it certainly alarms the mind but the tradition of interference is to manipulate people that is what the history in my book shows, soviet, cia and russian operations to mold public opinion in other
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countries and just because we're protecting our infrastructure doesn't mean we're solving this problem we have to figure out how to make ourselves more invulnerable to attempts to undermine and overtake our political debate. and until we're able to do that, it's open season for foreign actors seeking to direct our political processes. >> katty day hkay has the next question. >> secretary johnson you saw russian interference when president obama was president. let's say donald trump loses in november and it would be president joe biden. we have to assume the russians would carry on trying to do this stuff, so what are the mechanisms, what things can america do to try to protect itself? is it having better hackers than they do, or is it something overaveragiove overarching to protect from
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russian interference in the future? >> i believe that a lot of good work has been done by state election officials over the last three and a half, four years to harden their cyber security of their election infrastructure. it's not perfect, it's state by state by over the last three and a half, four of our election cyber security has gotten better. i agree with what david said. the number one threat, in my view, are so-called informational ops. influencing the minds of voters by things they read and see on the internet. voters need to be far more skeptical about things we read on the information highway and skeptical of the source, where it's coming from, and bring an intent mindset to how we vote in our democracy. i think that's the number one threat. i believe that was the number one threat that influenced voters' minds in 2016. and we know that campaign is ongoing.
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>> so, secretary johnson, i'd like to ask you about the coronavirus, especially as it pertains to our national security. we've got surges happening in florida. we've got problems with it in california. new york has found a way to mitigate. but most -- by all estimates from from top doctors, this is not over yet, and the leadership in this country has actually made the situation worse. how does that fare for our ability to keep our homeland safe? is there a connection? >> it does not fare well. when i look at what's happening in the south, southwest, and the west right now, i am more distraught than i was in mid-april when here in the new york/new jersey area we were in the depths of the crisis, because what is happening now could have been avoided.
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this did not need to happen. by early may we figured out physical distancing, good hygiene has the ability to slow the spread and flatten the curve. yet we see this resurgence now in other parts of the country. and i believe that a lot of it has to do with our leadership at the state and national level. and the message they send to the public about what it is we need to do to protect ourselves and protect others. so this did not have to happen. i'm very depressed and distraught about it. >> jeh johnson, thank you very much. and fellow at yale university, david shimer, thank you as well. the book is "rigged:america it, russia and 100 years of covert electoral interference." yesterday we reported joe biden was being urged by some democrats to go big and try and
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what's gone wrong in this country fighting the coronavirus. this morning we're hearing new warning from health officials that miami is quickly becoming the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic. meanwhile, in the debate over how and when to open schools, three of the nation's largest school districts are having online school. yesterday the president said, when you test, you create cases. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is tuesday, july 14th. willie, we'll get to all that in just a moment. give us the latest on miami. >> yeah, mika, as you mentioned, miami the new epicenter of this pandemic. florida had its second worst day for new infections yesterday, adding well over 12,000 cases, just a day after shattering the
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record for the highest number of single day cases of any state since the beginning of this. miami-dade county was responsible for a quarter of yesterday's new cases and represents about 20% of the total number of infections statewide. health advisers to miami-dade's mayor described it as grave. the mayor will not close businesses. >> an infectious disease specialist at the university of miami said the situation is like what was happening in wuhan, in china, five or six months ago. like new york three months ago. remember that? florida state lawmakers are calling on the federal government to coordinate with state and local leaders. 98%, 98% of icu beds in miami-dade are occupied. in the past 14 days
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hospitalizations rose 65%. icu admissions are up 66%. ventilator use is up 128% the ceo of memorial west hospital in south florida says, quote, we are busting at the seams in the emergency room. i am busting at the seams inside the hospital. i'm busting at the seams in terms of icus. the biggest challenge, she said, is staffing. one doctor telling a local investigative reporter, quote, we are really burnt out. let's bring in the president and ceo ofsystem. thank you for being on the show. if you could tell us the very latest and what is needed. >> obviously, the number one thing is every hospital is full. what we're managing is noncode patients and some code patients
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to start, we have seen them replaced. we're seeing an increase of admissions. we're doing a good job of discharging. the biggest challenge is making sure all of our employees are safe and kept without any kind of infection, which is extremely important. the other thing is really about staffing. the governor has now released an opportunity for south florida hospitals to be able to bring in about 2,500 nurses. that is critical to what we need. we have the beds. we need the staff. in addition to that, reagents for lab testing in our own labs have been extremely, extremely necessary and the need for remdesivir. those are the three things we need. >> the need for remdesivir. if i could ask you about staffing, at this point do you need to bring in staffing from other hospital systems, other states? i know three months ago massachusetts lifted the ban -- had actually new rules that allowed medical students to
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graduate and immediately start working. what's the situation in florida in terms of staffing? how is it best fixed at this point? >> the best fix at this point is what we're trying to do. the governor has identified several different ways from bringing out-of-state nurses in that range we're talking about in south florida. we believe that will get us through the worst of what we're looking at. with everything we've done with the curfews, the controls in the restaurants back in and what mayor gimenez has done in miami-dade, we believe we have a three-week window before we hit the peak. we've been going at it for three, four months and our staff is very tired. >> carlos, it's willie geist. thanks for being on. i want to ask you about the profile of the patients we were seeing. early on we were told march and april it was mostly older people who contracted coronavirus.
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then as this went out in the ensuing months we heard about places like houston, younger and younger patients. what kind much a patient is in your hospital right now with coronavirus? >> well, with he saw that influx of young patients as well, willie, here in miami. what's happened right now with the growth, the number of young patients is still the same but now we're seeing a lot of the older. what's happened in miami because we have such diversity here, we have a lot of homes with multigenerational families in it. the young people have come home and infected their mother or grandmother and that's made it a lot worse. the young people we've seen, the high percentage of those young people, have a lot of comor ed byty like diabetes, lung issues. >> what's your warning to people across the state of florida right now as you look at the scene inside your icus, what do you want them to know right now? >> the only thing that will help
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us with what we're doing today is for them to use the masks and be socially distant. we're finding an awful lot of people that are extremely aggressive against complying to those environments that is really not understandable at all. we need to make sure everyone complies with those issues, keeping hands clean, wearing masks and being socially distant. that's the only thing that will slow down this pandemic in south florida at this point. >> carlos, if i could extend that question. if i understood you correctly, you said we are at least three weeks from the peak. we're also several weeks away from a lot of schools in florida opening. they open mid-august, some of them. is it safe for children to go back to school, given what you're seeing in your icus and emergency rooms? >> when you say florida, it's a very large state. i can speak specifically to miami. in miami, the superintendent as well as miami-dade county have
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not taken a very good view of opening the schools at this point in time. if you look at today's environment, we were running at 25% to 28% positivity rate on all those patients that were being tested. we're testing a lot of people. we're doing now four to five the number of tests we did three months ago. but those positivity rates of 25% to 28% are not indicative of us being able to open the schools here in miami-dade county. >> president and ceo of jackson health system, carlos migoya, thank you. best of luck to you. i hope you get those three things you need as you fight this pandemic. california is effectively back under lockdown right now as coronavirus cases there continue to surge. yesterday governor gavin newsom ordered every county in the state to close indoor restaurants, movie theaters, bars and wineries. the move signals a major pullback in the state's two-month-old effort to recover
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from the economic pandemic. according to san francisco chronicle, health officials have zeroed in on bars with their lack of physical distancing and customer face covering, masks, as a major potential source of spreading coronavirus. the chronicle also notes in addition, governor newsom ordered 30 counties on the state's watch list to close gyms, houses of worship, offices for noncritical work sectors, shopping malls and barbershops. also hair salons, unless they can operate outside or pick up services. willie? >> meanwhile, mika, you mentioned schools. public schools in los angeles and san diego along now with atlanta all will begin the year with students learning from home. schools in nashville also will start the year remotely, at least through labor day. here is president trump yesterday on his continued push to reopen schools in the fall. >> what do you tell parents who
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look at this, who look at arizona where a school teacher recently died teaching summer school, parents who are worried about the safety of their opened. schools should be opened. kids want to go to school. you're losing a lot of lives by keeping things closed. >> mika, it's stunning how cavalier he continues to be about the reopening of schools. a blanket declaration that schools should be reopened. he doesn't make that decision. we should remind our viewers, that happens on the local level as los angeles, atlanta, san diego, reminded us yesterday. this is the news all summer that every parent was dreading, hoping we could get this together. you can't get back into school unless you get your infection rate down. that's just not happening in this country. >> everybody wants the kids to go back to school. also yesterday president trump blamed the obama administration and also an increase in testing. when asked by reporters yesterday about the recent surge in cases across the country.
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>> if you know biden and obama stopped their testing. they just stopped it. i know you know that. you probably don't want to report it. they stopped testing. right in the middle they just went, no more testing. and on a much lesser problem than the problem that we have. we test more than anybody, by far. when you test, you create cases. we've created cases. i can tell you some countries test when somebody walks into a hospital sick or walks into maybe a doctor's office, but usually a hospital, that's the testing they do so they don't have cases, whereas we do. we have all of these cases, so, you know, it's a double-edge sword. up next, we'll go to the white house for reaction to that and a tweet from one of the president's top advisers mocking dr. fauci. "morning joe" is back in a moment. this is an athlete, twenty reps deep,
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let's bring in politics editor for the daily beast sam stein and yamiche alcindor. yamiche, we'll get to discrediting dr. fauci in a moment, but it leaves us with, if they find a way to discredit him t looks like it's backfiring, but if they find a way to do so, is the president going to be our scientist in chief because literally everything he says about the coronavirus, it seems to be a bit off, if that's -- if that's not an understatement. >> there are multiple -- obviously multiple examples of the president saying things that are just plain wrong about the coronavirus. i think the president is seeking to be not just the commander in
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chief but the chief scientist in this country. he's telling americans all over the country, believe me, over all the other people you're talking to, including your own local officials, your local governor, in this case the president said in march, anyone that wants a test can get a test. it wasn't true then, it's not true now. it continues to not be true. he's the only one in the administration who's talking about testing as a double-edge sword. obviously, people want to know who has the coronavirus because that is critical to tracing it and critical to stopping it. what we see in president trump is really someone who's weighing the political calculations. he's saying, look, the best thing for my re-election campaign, the best thing for my administration is for people to at least feel like things are normal. as a result, you see him pushing for schools to be back open. you see him pushing for states to go back open. the problem now is when you see a governor like ron desantis in my home state of florida listening to the president, desantis took a victory lap saying, look, everyone thought
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things were going to be terrible in florida, they're not. now fast forward we're in a situation where florida is the new epicenter. i think president trump is going to continue to take this political risk. it's just that, a risk and he's leaning on the fact he can get re-elected by trying to put the coronavirus in the rearview mirror. >> dr. fauci was, in fact, at the white house yesterday for a scheduled meeting with chief of staff mark meadows, according to a white house official and a person close to dr. fauci. the official telling nbc news the chat was, quote, a good meeting. both sources confirm dr. fauci did not meet with president trump. dr. fauci recently said he was not briefed and has not been briefed by the president in at least two months and has not seen him in person in at least two months. deputy chief of staff for communications publicly mocked dr. fauci, sharing a cartoon of the top u.s. infectious disease
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expert as a faucet on social media. he agreed to publicly disagree with dr. fauci while saying the top public health official agreed with the president cowardly through leaks to social media. listing nearly a dozen past comments, some taken out of context by dr. fauci. despite all of this, president trump flatly denied reports his administration is attempting to discredit dr. fauci, as did the white house press secretary. >> well, i have a very good relationship with dr. fauci. i have had for a long tile. from the very beginning. i don't always agree with him. i get along with him very well. i like him personally. >> there's no opposition research being dumped to reporters. we were asked a very specific question by "the washington post." that question was, president trump noted that dr. fauci made
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some mistakes and we provided a direct answer to a direct question. president trump and dr. fauci have always had a very good working relationship. >> greg sergeant points out, quote, all of this has accomplished is to unleash media scrutiny between the tortured relationship between trump and fauci. the result, a spate of fresh reporting on the relationship, which shows trump's pathology and vividness. sam stein, let's be clear as you listen to kayleigh mcenany yesterday. white house officials on background talked to several reporters pointing out dr. fauci's inaccuracies over the last several months and put out a document that looked to all of us who cover politics like an opposition research document about dr. fauci. now dan scavino out in the open put his name on it attacking dr. fauci in the middle of this crisis as it explodes. >> who are we are going to trust
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on a pandemic, a guy who's a famous infectious disease expert or white house social media director? it's a tough one here. it's a classic case of trump scapegoating. it's bizarre in its tendency but that's what the president does. he looks at this problem as a pr problem and he wants to cast blame elsewhere. fauci has been off on a few of his earlier predictions but not even remotely as bad as some of the top white house officials. keep in mind, it was only a couple weeks ago mike pence penned an op-ed saying there would be no second wave. fauci will not paint rosy pictures about the state of the pandemic. he tells it like it is. for the administration trying to reopen the economy and reopen schools and downplay the severity of the crisis, that is problematic. this is the administration that does look through everything as a pr problem. and i just -- you know, i go back to the president's comments
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on testing, as a primary example. i don't understand if he actually believes that if you just had fewer tests, this thing would go away. if we had ten pregnant women that administered five pregnancy tests, we wouldn't have half the births. obviously, this makes no sense. he keeps going back to this as this is the elixir to the problem. as long as he has that mindset that as long as we bury our heads in the sand, this wouldn't be a big deal, then he'll butt heads with anthony fauci because he doesn't want to hear the reality, he doesn't want to hear the numbers of it. that's the point where we're at, the. the is trying to find a scapegoat for his own failures. we showed you that bizarre moment yesterday when the president randomly attacked the obama administration over some unnamed testing policy. unnext we'll talk to former national security adviser susan rice about that and much more straight ahead on "morning joe."
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national security adviser to
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president obama, susan rice. she's the author of the book "tough love: my story of things worth fighting for." great to see you. president trump yesterday was talking about coronavirus testing. he said if you test more, you have more cases and all that stuff. he also made an assertion about the obama administration and testing. i want to play that for you. here it is. >> if you know biden and obama stopped their testing. they just stopped it. i'm sure you know that. you don't want to report it. but they stopped testing. right in the middle they just went, no more testing. and on a much lesser problem than the problem we have. >> so, what's he talking about? >> first of all, good morning, mika, everybody else. it's good to be back with you. i have no idea what he's talking about. it's completely pathetic.
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the reality is that on donald trump's watch, over 135,000 americans are dead. our infection rates are skyrocketing, surging past any other country in the world. and this is largely due to donald trump's own indifference and incompetence. and now his willful disregard for the lives of americans. so, i assume this is his way to confuse people who aren't paying attention who may have forgotten the coronavirus arose in the last six months under donald trump's tenure. we didn't have a novel coronavirus under barack obama and joe biden. i have no idea what he's talking about. we weren't testing for a virus that didn't at that time exist. so, this is just more smoke and more deflection. >> well, speaking of smoke and deflection, there have been a lot of reports about the white house attempting to really kind of discredit dr. anthony fauci.
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you worked with him. he's worked for many administrations. can you tell us what your experience was like working with him and what do you make of this attempt to discredit him are during this time? >> it's so irresponsible and offensive. dr. fauci, with whom i had the honor of working for many years when i was national security adviser. we worked together on the ee local ba outbreak, we worked together on the zika outbreak. he is one of the most decent, committed public servants i have ever known. he brings enormous integrity to everything he does. he's struggling in this administration, despite all of the ridiculousness to give the american people the critical information they need to have to keep themselves safe. donald trump is clearly threatened by the fact that he won't be bullied, he won't be intimidated, he won't shy from
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his mission and mandate, which is to tell the truth. doesn't mean that he or anybody else gets everything 100% right. this is a brand-new virus. we're learning as we go. but the one person in this administration who i know i can trust to give us the facts as best we know them is tony fauci. for donald trump to try to discredit him, disgrace him is not only offensive, it's dangerous. it's the people donald trump appeals most to, who don't want to believe the science, who don't want to wear the mask, that we all need to be committed to wearing and the steps we need to take to combat this virus, or we're going to be in worse shape. it's not just a matter of politics or smears. it's really very dangerous. >> ambassador rice, it's willie geist. good to see you this morning. in some ways joe biden is running a parallel presidency with this campaign, explaining
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what he would be doing, for example, to address this crisis, trying to act presidential in ways he doesn't believe, a lot of people don't believe donald trump is. your name has risen toward the top of the list as his choice, joe biden's choice as vice presidential nominee. is that a job that interests you? >> willie, i'll tell you what interests me. it's seeing joe biden elected our next president and the democrats in charge of the house and the senate. and i will do everything i can and whatever it is joe biden wants me to do to help him succeed in becoming president and succeed in governing. if that's as his running mate, i'd be honored to be considered for that. if that's some other capacity and simply doing the day-to-day work of trying to get out the vote, i'll do whatever it takes because this is so critical. american lives are being lost every day unnecessarily because of failed leadership from the
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white house. our economy is in a crater. far worse than it needs to be because of failed leadership out of this white house. so, this is really a moment where our livelihoods and our literal lives depend on new leadership, not to mention or position in the world, our national security. there's nothing more important. i'll do my best in any capacity to help him succeed. >> have you, ambassador rice, had conversations with the biden campaign about the potential for filling that role? >> willie, as you might anticipate i'm not going to get into conversations i may have had with the biden campaign. >> what is your experience with joe biden? i said you have a long, personal relationship with him. his leadership style, the role he played as barack obama's vice president, what are your reflections about what kind of president he will be, if he's elected? >> well, with joe biden, what you see is what you get. i've had the great privilege to work with him not only through
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eight years of the obama administration, but back, frankly, as well when he was in the senate. he served on the senate foreign relations committee. he's decent. he's honest. he's empathetic. he's competent. he's hard working. and he's committed to the interests and the advancement of the american people and of america's role in the world, our leadership in the world. he will bring to the white house the kinds of hands-on, thorough, fact-based leadership we so desperately need. whether it's to revive a flagging economy or to get this coronavirus pandemic under control once and for all and renew our leadership in the world. all of which are absolutely essential to our national unity, to the preservation of our democracy and to our fundamental security. so, i know joe biden well and i know he'll be an extraordinary president of the united states. and i just can't wait for us to get there because each day that passes with donald trump in the white house is deadly.
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>> mike barnicle. >> susan, you were just talking about the world. given your credentials and your experience, let me ask you this. let's take four capita alliance
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