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mastriano as governor, mastriano will push the state legislature to ban abortion with no exceptions for rape or incest. in arizona, republican front runner, carry, lake has called for the carbon coffee for the texas stela abortion ban which doesn't include exceptions for rape or incest. in michigan, republicans have called it for all out republican abortion bans, and one of them has even said that we must inspire women who get raped to give birth because, quote, god put them in this moment. that is as disgusting as it is wrong. and these are just a few examples of horrifying stances that republican candidates have taken in swing state races. and let's be clear, if you don't think that all of this could end and a gop out for to ban abortion nationwide, you haven't been paying any attention. this is the state of america, as we head into the july 4th
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holiday. this is who we are. 246 years since the declaration of impotent pettus was signed, one part actively working to undermine half of the populations independents to make their own health care decisions. this time of year, we talk about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. what do those words mean to republicans who insist on controlling peoples bodies and denying them basic human dignity? joining us now is former congresswoman kendra horn from -- she's running for u.s. senate, and emlls the ceo of planned parenthood parenthood. thank you so much for joining. congresswoman, i would like to start with. you how dangerous is the situation for women in the swing states if republicans win the governor races? >> thank you for having me, i am glad to be here this evening. what we are talking about is a life threatening situation in
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oklahoma and trigger states, where we already living, myself, and all women in oklahoma, have lost the right to make our own health and reproductive decisions. putting woman's lives at risk is front and center on the ballot this year. the unfortunate reality is, in places like oklahoma and i know this all too well, that for such a long time, riding off whole sections of our country, and allowing this continue to build with laws like oklahoma which bans -- oklahoma's law that bans abortion at fertilization, and it provides no exceptions for health of the mother, this is government overreach, it is wrong. and if we do not take action and invest and do the work in oklahoma, and in the states where these laws are coming out, and if we don't all show up and make sure that there is a long term investment, we are all
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going to pay the price. the truth is, the majority of women, of the majority of people in oklahoma, and across this country, don't support these extreme abortion bans. including -- we have a polling from before this shut up, 56% of people in oklahoma would vote against somebody that supports this. but we have to take action now, and especially in states like oklahoma. >> emily, your state of oklahoma is one of the several right states that have banned abortion, excluding cases of rape and incest. what are the logistics of having access to abortion in oklahoma? >> we've really been living a nightmare in oklahoma. we have seen, prior to the most recent bans in oklahoma, we have seen texans crossing state lines to get care in oklahoma who are living nightmares. they're telling us about how terrible it was, that they need, care that they did have rights, and despite seeing, that
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oklahoma legislature move forward bans that put oklahoma in a position before roe even felt to lose. care proud to last week's ruling, we already lost access to oklahoma because we had the first of the country's total bans on abortion care. so it means now if you are in oklahoma, or, arkansas or missouri, three of the states we serve, you have to tell, you you have fewer rights than you did a week ago, you have fewer rights in neighbor states, and you have to get out of the state to get care. the other state that we serve, kansas, is in an incredibly unique position. on august 2nd, kansas will be the first state in the country to vote on a constitutional protection of abortion. they actually have access in kansas today, and they get to see the reality of what's happening around them. they say the government interference, the bans on care, and they can do something to pushback. and it's really the playbook of the other states are gonna have to use. they're gonna have to fight back at the state level to get the protections you deserve.
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>> congresswoman, the troubling trend right now that we saw with clarence thomas's opinion, it's not just abortion rights. in fact, some borough of the gop governor terrell candidates indicated this week that they would support banning same sex marriage as well. let's play this for our viewers, watch. >> i believe that the federal government, the supreme court, needs to start rolling back a lot of these things and give the power back to the states where it belongs. the michigan constitution defines a marriage between one man and one woman. and that is my belief also. >> article one, section 25 of our constitution, michigan constitution, says that for the betterment of society, marriages between a man and a woman. i draw the line where god does, and that's where i stand. >> your reaction to that, congresswoman. >> unfortunately, it is not surprising. and i think we have to, at this moment, call this what it is. it's extremism. it's government overreach, it's
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incredibly dangerous. what we are talking about right now is an effort by certain group of people that has been a long term effort, to divide us and to strip away rights. and it starts at the state level, emily is right. we have to stop this at the state and local level. and this government overreach, this erosion of rights, it's been made very, clear they're not just stopping at women. so we have to remember that we are all in this together. and i have to say, as an oklahoma and, and when i was elected to congress and -- i'm the only democratic women to ever serve in the united states house of representatives from the state of oklahoma. when i'm elected in november, i will be the first woman ever to represent the state in the u.s. senate. the bottom line of the message, because in places like oklahoma where we have been written off, and used as an example of what's not to do, and these wedges that --
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extremists are driving between us, people give up. and when we give up on ourselves, and when we are used as an example of what not to do and writing -- writing people off, it only continues to harm people. in oklahoma right now, we are fourth in the nation for deaths of pregnant women and mothers. we are 15 nation for infant mortality. we have one of the highest rates of childhood poverty. these things that the extremists want, that are pushing us apart, injuring woman, and stripping away our rights, are just the first steps. but we have to ask ourselves how we got here, and we have to understand there are no quick discusses. but it's about showing up, it's about reaching out, and saying, to people, regardless of their clerical affiliation, if they are concerned by this, then we have to show up and vote against people like that. >> emily, what will this mean
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for women having to travel hundreds of miles to get an abortion? what is the option right now for a woman and oklahoma, even if the states are not able to provide access -- as we heard the governor general -- with difficult. >> the reality is many of our patients are not able to figure out the logistics to get care. there are some patients who are going to new mexico, colorado, illinois, but for many of the patients we serve, it is an incredible barrier to say that you will have to miss multiple days of work, you will have to figure out childcare. of course, our patients, even though it is legal to cross state lines, they feel like their actions are criminalized. so they're telling us, i think my partner or my parent will be supportive, but i won't tell anyone because i do want to get them in trouble. many of our patients, if they can travel, they are going alone and they are scared. and if they can't travel, they are trying to figure out how to terminate a pregnancy without
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medical support which should never happen in a civilized society, or they should not be forced to carry out a pregnancy against their. will >> i have a final question for both of. you congresswoman, i would like to start with. you your message to women all over the country who are rightfully terrified about these bands taking place as you run for congress -- excuse me, as a run for senate. >> absolutely. my message is simple, that banning abortion without exception, and pulling back the rights of women's wrong. it's government overreach, plain and simple. we are in president -- unprecedented times right now. and we have to come together and we have to do the work, to make people in our continued communities understand why it's so important. in oklahoma and across this country. the bottom line is this -- these things, these trends, these dangerous bills start with extremists in places like oklahoma. they have not won. we have zero rights rolled back,
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but they have not. one they will only win if we don't show. up so to all those that ask if it's even possible to change things, it absolutely is, but only if we show up. we need to help each other, and we need to support candidates like myself who are committed to standing up and fighting for women, and fighting for people who the extremists are coming after to strip away their rights. right now, our choices now between democrats forces rapid but -- the bottom line is it's about extremists who want to tear us apart and problem solvers like myself that want to protect all of our communities. and we have to work together and start from the ground up. >> emily, your final thoughts on that. >> my message to patients right now who are struggling to figure out what to do, we see you, we hear you, even when this u.s. supreme court does not. contraception is still legal, we are getting that question every single day. gender affirming care is still legal.
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and you have the right to travel across state lines. and to individuals who live in states like kansas where you have the ability to preserve and protect your own rights to care, you have to act now. you cannot wait for courts to intervene because they are no longer the backstop. this fight has to be worn at the state level, at the local level. you deserve to live a life without government interference in your private medical decisions, and you have to act to protect it. >> all right, emily wales, kendra horn, thank you very much for the both of you thank you for your insights. after the break, why don't democrats have a more unified plan to defend abortion access? stick around,. but for, us cory is here for the. headlines >> hayman, officials confirmed a third officer's death after should out in kentucky. he succumb to his injuries on friday. police are -- opened fire striking officers. that suspect has since pleaded not guilty to murder charges.
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day since politico reported at the supreme court, according to a leak draft of the decision, plan to overturn roe v. wade. and yet, when the bee decision actually came down, it seem like most democrats were still shocked. since then, their messaging has been in kingston. there has been no unified strategy. president biden made it clear that it is mostly up to congress and the voters to change. my question is, how could democrats be so unprepared for this pivotal moment in our history? my panel is here to discuss this. here with me is liz winston, founder of abortion access front, -- senior editor for insider and -- co-host of the five for podcasts. it's good to have all of you with us.
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liz, even with a month of advanced warning, it seems that democrats were caught by surprise, they did nothing to prepare for this moment of overturning roe. last hour, i've talked of attorney general keith ellison about his meeting with the white house this week, but why was the white house not inviting allison months ago to strategize and mobilize? >> why haven't we've been doing this since wendy davis took her filibuster in texas, when all of this stuff really started playing out? we have consistently been begging democrats to actually care. we have been consistently trying to get the public to understand that the state legislators are being absolutely fed full of model legislation by groups like americans for life and the right ring extremist groups. quite frankly, we have a president who is only actually said the word abortion once in his entire public life.
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i don't think he has it in him right now for the fight because this is a legislative fight -- unless we recognize full bodily autonomy and abortion, something that is a human right for everyone we can talk platitude all we want, but we need to change the months at american people so that they demand it from our politicians. >> according to pop news is -- over the last few days, she writes that i have been talking to republican operatives across the sea. they were all careful not to glow, but they've also been shocked at how little the democratic party is doing to fight back. do you agree with that assessment? your reaction to it generally. >> i absolutely do. i think a lot of the public has been shocked by democrats reaction, given that they knew for several weeks now when the
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leaked draft was presented, they had an idea that this is coming. the idea that they were not prepared, i think that is what we are questioning right now. it is not a matter of how they were to break this moment and come to it. the fact of the matter is that there are not able to get on the same page, i see them responding with so many messages because they are barely on the same page. you have one side that many say is a generational divide, saying that, president biden isn't institutionalist and has made clear that abortion is up to the people in congress. on the other side of this, he says that he has the power to make executive moves, whether that be spending the court or putting clinics on federal lands, or providing more access to abortions medications. -- especially by more progressive far-left groups of the democratic party [inaudible]
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-- into the fall in midterms. >> rhiannon, forget the month of advance, we had none for four years that republicans will try to overturn roe. i think a lot of people are really frustrated with the democratic party. why has there never been a big democratic plan to respond to the possible overturning of roe? why did they not try to codify it when they have had the chance, even now with trying to do away the filibuster? >> i don't have a good answer for that. i don't think the democrats have a good answer for that and their, they simply have not build back better, the way that we are promised, so not only has roe v. wade been overturned by a republican pact supreme court, but democrats had ample notice, like we said, that this was coming, and they still appear to have no plan to respond to monumental shift in a law that represents the mostie
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have seen in some time. even if they don't have the votes to overcome the filibuster and codify abortion rights into law, they need to be fighting to do that and more. they need to have actual political strategy, call out the republican position and make demands. if republicans are so concerned with the life of a fetus and infants being burned, and democrats should be calling for a vote on free diapers, free baby formula, universal child care, better parental leave protections, more funding for maternal health care to decrease the maternal mortality rate. i could go on and on. they need to repeal the hyde amendment. the point is that they need to act and act now. >> as something as liz was saying, i'm not sure that they're up for the fight at this moment. reuters is reporting that president biden is unlikely to take bold steps to protect abortion access because, quote, biden and officials are concerned that more radical
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moves would be politically polarizing ahead of november's midterm elections. it is a bit of a head-scratcher for me. why do democrats self sabotage like this? >> also, i mean, yes, first of all, stripping away the rights and lessening someone's bold constitutional lies and calling the radical profoundly problematic. this is the whole thing. we inue to talk about abortion in terms of its radical, instead of a path that many people will take to fulfill their self determination, and the fact that this nation sits there and talks about its morality when a values zero pregnancy outcomes. to everyone's point so far, if they actually cared about babies, instead of gloating, why would they not be
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profoundly creating situations where people could have children and raise them and healthy environments? that low income people could be having the families that they want. to say you're pro-life and to watch the slaughtering of children in schools and to not extend any kind of parental leave, or any kind of medicaid and to divert funds from -- and other programs to help low income families to fake clinics, they're hoping is absurd. the fact that -- my hair has been on fire and which is why it is white now, for 12 years. everyone should be in the streets and demanding of these politicians that their jobs depend on whether or not they actually care about children and people who are pregnant. >> panel, i'll ask you to stick around, we have a lot more to discuss after the break. coming up, the roe decision was one of many radical moves from the court this term.
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it might even get a lot worse this year. t this term. it might even get a lot wors
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this year.
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radical institution, and it's radicalization fully realized this month for goes far beyond the roe decision. this, week the six conservative justices limited the epa's abilities to limit greenhouse emissions from power plants, a massive blow to the biden administration's efforts to tackle climate change. in a fury, the -- the credit points itself instead of congress or the expert agency, the decision-maker on climate policy. i cannot think of many things more frightening. and the radicalization will continue well into the courts second -- or next term, i should say. this week, the court said that it will take a big election law case involving the once fringe independent state legislator doctrine, which could have massive implications for the nature of american democracy.
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the case out of north carolina will attest whether state legislators can override gives constitution's to amass unprecedented power over elections. the theory was the basis for john eastman's efforts to subvert the 2020 election. my panel is back with me, with north carolina's case which they plan on hearing next term, it could essentially change how federal elections operate in individual states. the new york times said at least 357 city republican legislators in closely contested battleground states have used the power of their office to discredit or try to overturn the results of the 2020 a presidential election. these are the people, and the supreme court could grant access to decision-making around electoral rules, posing a major political threat to the future of free and fair elections in the future. what is your reaction to that? >> it's unbelievable. and i am sure a lot of americans, when they heard this
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news, we're also taken aback. and if they haven't heard this news yet, they should be. this is very alarming. i think when we think about so many people said, as so many advocates, lawmakers [inaudible] [inaudible] coming out in the following year about electors and how the presidency was stolen, and saying it was not just that day, not just that year, and so much more to come. this is it, this is the moment that is to come. and we may not hear a final ruling come next year, but that is something to call a huge alarm. we are talking about untapped power, we are talking about putting power that is not going to be checked by the courts. not be vetoed by the governor, not going to be questioned or constrained by state constitutions. this is extremely alarming. i think when we consider this week of the news out of louisiana, when i'm thinking up
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or to support oppression and the fact that so many people, a large portion of louisiana, people are, black and i'm asking -- if we are following along with this news, we are seeing that the supreme court will be -- fringe theories, in this case, that can impact so many millions people who may not even have the power to choose their leaders in the future. at the same time, we're hearing democrats say to these people, we need you to vote, and we need you to turn out to make sure you have some stick in your life. it's a hard pill to swallow, and i cannot imagine any american sitting down who is taking that easily. >> liz, you have 30 state legislators who are currently in republican hands. would the gop legislative leaders bees -- in their parties favor when it comes to -- what the ability to do it unchecked. >> 100%. and the thing is when we look
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at so many fundamental rights being sent to these states and these states are such bad actors that, as we think about the one thing that i will tell everyone is if you are voting in the midterms and you pay very close attention in 2022 in 2024 as to who is running for secretary of state because that is the person that certifies elections, it's our only recourse at this point to try and get people to -- try elect people at the state level -- in state legislatures who won't do this then when you have 30 states where it seems like it's almost impossible. i don't know what to say. >> well rhiannon, this extremely dangerous legal theory that is at the heart of this case was, according to
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politico, again, central to trump's attempt to a gets -- what presidential context. how concerned should we be about the courts next term in this particular legal theory gaining traction, not just among the fringe is like john eastman and donald trump but becoming more a stream in the republican party and ultimately in our court system? >> i'm glad you bring this up, because i think people should know this idea, extremely radical, it used to be a french idea, actually popped up around the time people will remember that the george w. bush campaigns argument in the lead up to bush v. gore had elements of this idea. of course, it's no coincidence that justice kavanaugh was a lawyer for the bush campaign at the time, but at that time, many recalling for florida state legislature to award
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florida's electoral counts to bush even though al gore won more votes. you see this also in the 2020 elections with efforts by the trump campaign to influence states legislatures into certifying alternate slates of electors, in pennsylvania, for example, rather than the electors who had been selected by the people. if the supreme court agrees with this, it would be giving more power to republican state legislatures to go against the will of voters in their states. in swing states like pennsylvania, north carolina, wisconsin, this is a massive threat. and, ayman, what i think i want people to hear about this radical conservative supreme court, republicans worked for it and got it, this is the culmination of a decades long project in which conservative legal movement decided that packing the courts in their own way, and taking these cases to court would be how they secure their political aims and dismantle the winds of the
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civil rights movement, while still representing a minority of americans. you don't spend 50 years and hundreds of millions of dollars to get to this point so that you go easy. they put in the work to do this and until we do undo, it they will keep doing this. >> and if i can just -- >> i'm glad you -- yeah, go ahead. >> i was just going to say, going back to bush v. gore, it was james calk, you know, who was crucial in formulating this. he's also the person behind citizens united, and who intersected with reproductive rights, he's the person who crafted model legislation to draft out all this in every single state and legislature. but this has, for 30 years, try to create and take grassroots organizations and give them power to create loopholes for corporations. it's -- these things are all interconnected.
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that guy, google it, because he is like the mastermind behind all of it. >> another important point to keep track of, the people who are shaping these outcomes. i will ask all of you to stay, we're gonna squeeze in a quick break. after the break, we are going to discuss the growing concerns of witness tampering with people who testified before the january 6th committee. don't go anywhere. tampering wit people who testified before th
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january 6th committee. don't go anywhere.
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>> remember this moment from the latest january 6th hearing? >> this is a call received by one of our witnesses. quote, a person let me know you have your deposition tomorrow. he wants me to let you know that he's thinking about you. he knows you're loyal, and you're going to do the right thing when you go in for your deposition. >> that was one of the two messages this cheney shared as
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potential evidence of witness tampering from trump world. and nbc news has confirmed that at least one of the messages presented in that hearing was in fact received by cassidy hutchinson. back with me is my saturday night panel. lizz, i'll start with, you your reaction to members of the trump world witness tampering. are we even surprised at this stage of what we know about trump world and how it operates? >> no. in fact, not only am i not surprised, i am going to go on team unpopular opinion and say that that is -- that kind of behavior was around for a long time, and i don't find her a hero, i find she is doing something she should be doing because why would you rather work for those people. i'm sorry, why would you work for those people. and i know she's coming forward and she's giving good information. but also, why would you work for those people? it has to be asked? >> it has to be asked, and it has to be asked about a lot of
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people, and so many people. there's so many others as well. valid, valid. kadia, it's one thing to read about alleged witness tampering, of someone that you are unfamiliar with, but during these january six hearings we are spending time with people like cassidy hutchinson. does her testimony strengthen the case against trump and his allies? >> i was talking to, just yesterday, in the grocery store, a person who said that they were a keen and strong trump supporter but hearing her testimony on monday, they thought that loyalty was definitely driving a lot of the results and revelations around january six, and a lot of voters who are supportive of trump are paying attention. they may not be paying attention to hutchinson's testimony in a way that they see it as a port for all the claims and all the evidence that have been brought against trump and his world when it comes to january 6th and the
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2020 election, but they are paying attention in the way that they are upset and angry that someone who is in the trump camp have the audacity to speak out and breakaway in a sort of way from what we expected from anyone who is an ally of trump or who had been in his orbit to sort of fall in line and to follow wet everyone else has been doing. hearing hutchinson just speak this week was proof that there are people who are willing to talk, is just going to be really hard to get them to. in the sense of witness tampering, it's going to be interesting to see how much of the witnesses have their legal fees covered by the trump world, and if that is going to play any connection as to how they speak up or testify, if all, if they, due to this committee. >> what rhiannon does this signal about the guilt of those who are intimidating witnesses at this point?
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>> look, i think taking a step back from the specific elements of witness tampering or whether or not that legally is occurring, i think the question i am left with is what is going to happen if there is not an aggressive prosecution here? either by the january six committee or by the department of justice, right? these people are trying to stage a literal coup on national television, they were brazen enough to do that, they were brazen enough to try to overthrow a presidential election, and they haven't been humbled in any way. so of course they are brazen enough to witness temper, the dumb babies that they are. but i think the lesson moving forward should be that there have to be consequences, there have to be serious consequences, or they will absolutely try this again. you can't just beat these people in elections until they go away. >> kadia the new york times --
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sorry, go ahead, lizz. >> i was gonna say, i think maybe if we look at the people on their way up to being the truth tellers instead of the people who are on their way out because they have things at stake. >> kadia trump's former political organization, they have paid for -- finance the legal fees of more than a dozen witnesses, what do you make of this not just the direct pressure on witnesses that we are seeing but this kind of indirect pressure through connected trump officials? absolutely, you're thinking, -- in trump world, that has been a clear narrative, as we have seen. we have heard that aides have requested, in many ways, do have their legal fees covered because they feel as if they have been put in these positions to have a covered because they are financially strapped and aren't able to pay
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themselves. this is not new. during the clinton, his aides were furious that for his allies, to fund family legal bills. he, later on, after being called out the raise money and have those bills covered. this is not new. however, we are going to take a second and think, what are these people going to owe trump, and what does that look like when they are sitting in front of the committee, and happening under oath, knowing in the back of the mind of someone is covering them? >> all right kadia tubman, lizz winstead and rhiannon hamam, thank you for your time and insights tonight, greatly appreciate it. coming up, it was one of the few joy a bullpen and damac pastimes, judging the homes of tv news guests. one of the man behind room writer account, is out with a new book, joins me next. d room d room writer new book, joins me next.
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been gnawing at me all hour long, you have a plant in front of your tv behind you, did you just put that for your show? are you trying to jack up your room raider rating, i can tell you, it won't help you. who puts a plant in front of tv? >> of course, i put it in front of the tv for the shot, what do you think? >> listen, that is not going to help you get any more pointed the room raider. >> switching gears for a moment, if you have been on twitter for the last couple of years, you have surely seen poster my next guest, room raider, and account given to create much-needed humor at the beginning the pandemic, has amassed 400,000 followers, praising and criticizing the the core of tv news guests, who quite honestly, like all of us, we're locked indoors and had two for the
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first time, welcome us into their homes to talk about the news that the day. it is a truly unique sign of our times to be as upset as we were with what was behind us on our zoom calls. now the co-creators of room raider are out with a new book called how to zoom your room, remit or style guide. something we can all use. one half of returns me now. cloud, it's great to finally have you on our show as opposed to being raided by you on twitter. tell us about your new book, what inspired you to start this account and the first place, did you ever think it would go toward it is now? >> no, it took us but by surprise. we are on the phone a lot at the beginning of the pandemic. it was such a heavy time. we were just commenting to each other on various backgrounds, including yours, i believe. we said --
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i came up with the idea, we will create an account, call it room raider and start simply, reading peoples rooms from 1 to 10. it took off pretty quickly. one thing led to another, and now we have a book out -- out. we are very pleased. it is hopefully a helpful entertaining how to book, basic steps, include some of the fun we had on the way, includes some of our favorite people who we rated over the last two plus years. we think it is enjoyable, hopefully. >> definitely, congratulations on the book. let me throw these two appear. these are two of the many guests that you have rated from the show. walk me through your rating system. >> okay, in the one with --
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the one we have here, this is what we call, full nostril view. this is one of the most common mistakes people make. the camera is a foot to low. basically, you want to put a camera somewhere around eye level, basically, this is a no go. here we have the correct camera level, correct high. it's got some good depth, it is nice the space back there, there is our on one side, i love the wall color. this is a ten out of ten. >> no doubt about it, paul always gets the right. listen, i found it interesting, as i watched your account grow, i found it interesting how you guys began to work politics into a few ratings, especially among former and current trump loyalists. was it always your intention to use the account to take these political stance in a very smart and clever and, i should know, on brand way?
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>> politics entered from the very first tweets. the weekends with dumb dumb is actually a series of tweets, my canadian co-writer, who is in vancouver. we can with condoms is an ongoing feature that she does. politics, we look at different political figures, different trump figures, and we have our opinions. i come from a background and democratic politics. i worked in the clinton administration a generation ago. i am not going to hide my political affiliation. i am a proud clinton obama democrat. >> again, i just think that you are so clever, both of you are so clever, with the way you use
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comedy but still stay on brand with brady in the room for the big picture takeaway. what is your plan for the account going forward? have you thought about it as society begins to go back to normal, more of us are in studios, perhaps maybe less people doing stuff from home, or do you think this is the new reality and it will only stay with us? >> i think this is where we are. i think if you look at your own show and other shows, you have some guests in this video, and you have others doing it remote. businesses are much the same way, i recently read in article where something like 20% of manhattan office workers are back to work, five days a week. many companies found it preferable to go with two days in office, three days, or some combination thereof. i think zoom in your room is here to stay and some folks
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kind of enjoy making a little bit more appealing. hopefully, we can help with that. what's next? we have fun with the account. the account will continue. i am very pleased with the book. to be honest, we are looking at some adaptation for reality television. we have some interest there. >> i love it. best of luck to you. the one time i got rated by you guys personally, i got an eight out of ten. i think my ring light was reflecting in my mirror behind me. i learned my lesson. thank you for that style advice. how to zoom your room, congratulation on all your success, best of luck with the book and all your projects, claude taylor. thank you for making time with us at home. until we meet again, i'm ayman mohyeldin, have a good night. t home until we meet again, i'm ayman
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