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>> a pleasure to see you. that's does it for us today. we're broadcasting live from d.c. tomorrow. arianna huffington among our special guests. up next, chris matthews. democrats wage counterinsurgency. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. leading off tonight, october matters. the final month before midterm elections and races are tightening. democrats are showing sign of life and have new hope they'll be able to stave off catastrophe. terry mcauliffe gives us his take. then republicans have pinned their hopes on sharon engel.
but she's been caught trashing the republican party behind closed door a to a tea party candidate still in the race. he secretly recorded the conversation and will join us. in california, meg whitman's campaign is on the rocks after allegations she knew her housekeeper was illegal. and we'll look at races where debates may make or break candidates. plus, president obama's approval ratings have waned, but there's one block of voters who still support him. let me finish with a stark contrast. what it means to democrats if republicans win this november. let's check the latest polls. for that, we go to the "hardball" scoreboard. pennsylvania, a new poll has toomey up nine or joe sestak. it's a similar story in colorado where buck has an eight-point
lead over senator bennett. in wisconsin, it's ron johnson up seven. finally, to illinois and a glimmer of hope. a new poll has giannoulias with a slight lead over mark kirk. lots of voters still undecided in that race. we'll continue to check the scoreboard each night leading up to november 2nd. let's right now go to the state of play with four weeks of campaigning yet to go, terry mcauliffe was chairman of the republican national committee. richard wolfe. thank you. nbc's latest poll has republicans at 46-43. it's within the margin of error, but these are likely voters. 49-48 was in august, so you see a projection there. >> i think the voters are now focusing. i think a lot of voters have let
their frustration out and have seen some of these tea party candidates. they don't like what they're hearing. president obama is campaigning. the folks are getting energized and they've realized they've got to vote. we have a huge cash advantage. 3-1 on some top house races. the dnc just came out, 16 million bucks in september. we have more money. the president's out campaigning. >> give me a commercial, i always kid that democrats are the last ones to show up for the movies. how do you get them to get their act together this time? >> they saved this economy from going off a cliff. we got a lot of work to do. they want to repeal health care. democrats want to fight for manufacturing, health care jobs, green technology jobs. republicans are against that. you have a choice. we're just beginning.
we saved the economy. we've got more work to do. >> richard wolffe, that's a good argument. how come we don't hear it so loudly? >> anyone think he's taking that job? >> right there, brother. >> i hear a lot of explanation at town meetings, i see the president trying to explain to that woman why she's eating franks and beans, but i don't hear a strong, aggressive argument. those guys are bums. why? >> we're all getting played here. it's in everyone's interest to say this race is tightening and -- i'm telling you why. number one, democrats are demoshlized to feel this is still worth playing. >> shouldn't republicans want to put people to sleep? >> they want to say the race is tightening and we love the fight, so everything is tightening. but this could open up again and six points, three points. this comes down to a couple of dozen house races. that's where we're going to
judge. >> i got a good argument. some democrats hope the tight races for governor. helps gets the races in the house closer. we have california races really breaking. i think brown is going to get the big break. texas i'm always amazed that perry's in trouble. he talked like a -- and dress like he's from saddle road. illinois doesn't look to good. florida looks dicesy for both sides, but how is that going to get people to vote for democrats? i hear democrats have tougher races. they've got to win in races that voted for bush and mccain. >> we know how important the governor's races are. especially in races we are today. democrats understand that we've got governors because these are going to be the line strong. you look at the first woman governor in the state of
florida. >> she's a lot heavier than the other guy. there's more to her. >> she's a great candidate. >> in texas -- >> i thought you meant heavier. >> i meant positive. >> california, i agree is opening up. these governors are going to draw these signs. you cannot sit home. people are frustrated about the economy. everybody gets it. their jobs, they're worried about their future. but they realize this is serious. we've seen a tea party candidate that believes that unemployment compensation is unconstitutional. medicare, medicaid. that scares people. so, you can sit back and just say i'm not going to vote or get energized and say i'm going to continue. >> i'm hearing that christine o'donnell, for example, she apparently, we're going to show the tape, that she says i was a witch. i think that's going to kill her candidacy. but apparently, everybody in pennsylvania which shares the
same media market in philadelphia knows about her and that's help tg dems get activated. >> but what's happening in pittsburgh? and pennsylvania is going to be a real warning sign for democrats. how are those votes going to shape on the economy, how is it through ohio. i think there could be interesting results in colorado, the new purple states, but the old democratic states, i think democrats are facing a real uphill battle. >> buffalo. the tim russert guy. the guy who wears a big jabber to a football game. he works a factory job maybe. but he's voted for reagan. i look at the sestak race as tough. i look at the race in illinois and illinois looks better, but in ohio, for example, that's a tough one.
look at strickland -- >> why does it look so rough for the senate? >> the economy is fast and if you look at the belt, that's where they've lost most of the jobs. i'll make this argument. the whole thing about shipping our jobs overseas, that has hurt the republicans and that's one of the reasons you've seen the democrats -- >> that's why democrats like who's the guy in -- kentucky. >> conway? >> conway keeps talking about that overseas tax break. here's the senate situation now. republicans need ten seats to get to say pause the vice president would break a tie of 50. charlie cook has eight republican races. if republicans hold those and pick up three democratic seats that lean their way, north dakota, arkansas and indiana look good for them and need to win seven of the nine races that
are still toss-ups. they've got to win everything we're looking at. they've got no knock off blumenthal. blumenthal in connecticut, then in pennsylvania, sestak. they've got to beat mansion. they got to beat mark feingold. knock out bennett. knock out boxer and murray. and only lose two. >> great job. 70% approval rating. if he were running for governor, he would win. it's the senate. >> you know why. because people are comfortable like in utah voting for democrats for governorship where they don't test the philosophy. >> is a race? >> it's culture. it's -- >> is it race? >> i think there's a racial element to it, yes. i don't think he's connected with those voters.
they didn't do it in the primaries either. governor mansion ought to be in a much, much stronger, you cannot say this is about his personality. is anyone thinking he's going to have different politics in the senate? >> vote on national issues. >> sure. but i think there's a -- cultural shift there when it comes to national politics. >> this blumenthal race, incredible education and yet when we straighten out his war record, i don't why he didn't say i got caught up in this because people began to say i fought over there. i did not serve in vietnam. i should have never said i did. why doesn't he do it and get it over with. >> i will not have my reserve sefs discredited doesn't work with people. >> how you deal with a mistake
is critical. meg whitman has not dealt with her mistake. >> they have the same problem. they're not admitting a mistake. she's a top executive -- she's a ceo with ebay. she knows whether the person working for her is illegal or not. >> everyone knows politicians. they're human, okay? >> she's blaming it on her husband. >> you've got to take your knocks. say you've made a mistake and this is how you clean it up, not by blaming other people. >> you and i would -- >> let me ask you this. do you think that jerry brown's just basically lucky? how else do you explain this break of the cards? and boxer's always been lucky in california. >> california is a democratic state. if you can energize the voters,
it's a great democratic state. brown has fought on the principles of the party. so has barbara boxer. i'm excited. >> i got to tell you, it comb e combines serious business with fun. fun and serious business. nobody put it together. in fact, politics puts it in both. he's going to campaign a lot the next couple of weeks. >> you've seen gallup. >> ka california, pennsylvania, colorado. >> virginia. >> i don't think -- >> the ones that were to him in previous races and people he's told to go help by the administration. >> there's not enough time. he can't be everywhere. he wants to help the people who helped hillary. >> he's a relationship politician?
i like that. >> the white house says we need you, where we keep the house and senate, he will go. >> are you going to run for governor? >> i want to create a lot of jobs first. >> what a republican you are. >> thank you. >> all about creating jobs in the democratic party. >> coming up, sharon engel was the republican's pick to take on harry reid. apparently, she doesn't think much of the republican party either. wait until you hear the tapes. we got a guy who taped the whole conversation, which is legal. it's legal in nevada. if it happens in vegas, this time, will not stay in vegas. we'll be back with our secret conversation. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. lord of the carry-on. sovereign of the security line. you never take an upgrade for granted. and you rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. and go. you can even take a full-size or above.
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wow. scott joins me now. thank you for joining us. where did you have this tape recorder? in your pocket? >> i had the tape recorder on my person. just self-protection. >> where was it physically when you were recording sharron angle. >> in my front pocket. >> did she know you had the tape recorder? >> no. >> do you think that's fair game to go in and tape record someone secretly? as a matter of principle? >> yes, i do. considering the lies that have been brought forth about me, about my business and other things, considering the phone call i got from a high priced washington, d.c. attorney the night before, considering the lies that went out. >> who was the attorney? >> cleetus mitchell, out of d.c.
you probably know her. >> good, i love information. was it this weekend you did this meeting? >> the meeting was wednesday night. i was asked to attend. i thought an apology was coming. after that meeting, i went out of town. the newspaper and reporters put out lies regarding that meeting and the context of that meeting and i got a call from a local tv host, john raulston, playing back voice mails. i said to my campaign manager -- >> release the tapes. i think there's two interesting points in this tape that will tell you a lot about sharron
engel. i think it's her trying to get you to get out of the race, which she can beat harry reid, which makes sense. well that seems to be a reasonable argument. she's saying a three-way vote. you've got the four-way in nevada where you can vote none of the above. if you have two on the right running, don't you jeopardize the right wing cause? >> i don't think so. i think that you have two politicians running against the person that is for nevada. we've had a tea party express out of california that came in trying to -- that put her in.
the republicans themselves ran 13 people on the ballot to split the vote. we have people from california and now, washington, d.c., trying to affect nevada. it's not right. >> the strongest candidate for get the ideology was probably sue loudon. she's not even on the ballot now. >> it probably was. that was a republican mistake and they ran 12 people. we had several republicans running against each other and at the end of the day, you get what you get. >> i want to ask you in a minute whether you're a republican or tea party. here she is bragging she can open doors for you to all the big shot tea partiers in washington. she's going to get you meetings with demint and all kinds of people.
was it lord england that said power corrupts? she may lose the election and she's talking about juice. what's this, i got juice. did that surprise you? she's nothing like king caucus already. >> no, because i think the democrats and republicans are basically the same. in nevada, we have a chance. we have a tea party candidate. nevada will have the chance to come out and vote for that candidate. >> so, she's not a tea partier? >> in nevada, we have a tea party candidate. >> no, she's not a tea partier? >> i think she has some tea party aspects to her, but she's been indoctrinated by the republican party and can't act like she would want. >> here's more of her.
by the way, she then gets into the fact that she's listening, certain republicans who can win are tea parties and she's listing christine o'donnell as the real thing. joe miller as the real thing. she's not sure of marco rubio. do you agree? >> i think they're anybody that has an r next to their name or d is a democrat or republican. period. >> okay, so the tea party stands alone. thank you very much. tape recorded a conversation with sharron angle and may be bringing her down. christina, thank you for joining us. what do you think about the fact that this guy went into a room and tape records that person secretly. which is legal in nevada, but most would consider that dirty. your thoughts.
>> probably doesn't play that well with the people of nevada, but also to be talking about your clout and juice as well when you're suppose todd to be candidate of the people. i interviewed clea mitchell and she said she told sharron angle not to push it further because it doesn't make angle look very good. >> what the angle threatening? what is the lawyer threatening? >> essentially, the lawyer is basically saying to your candidate you were just interviewing, why are you talking to us about these lawsuits because the tea party groups have been fighting him for months. they think he's a democratic plant. the official party, he was a registered democrat. there have been accusations back and forth. >> they're saying this fellow isn't the real thing. >> exactly. they think he's a spoiler. on this tape, she also thinks
he's a spoiler. she's trying to cut him some deals. if you heard a democrat doing it, they'd feel the same way. nobody likes back room deals. that's what the tea party claims to be against. >> isn't ait amazing to hear politicians talking in the language of tamny hall and chicago? this guy's got juice. >> pretty funny to hear, but it's also presumption. if ken buck wins in colorado, they probably will have a little clout. if you don't win, you don't have anything. >> here it is, sharron ainge angle on republican reaction.
well there she is again vetting the fellow tea party candidates saying she believes christine o'donnell is for real. joe miller and ken buck in colorado, but is not sure about marco rubio. she's already vetting the national tea party ticket. it's interesting. your thoughts. >> to get all these candidates in a room and ask how many things they agree, joe miller was quoted today saying he
doesn't think there should be a federal minimum wage. christine o'donnell and sharron angle share this lawyer we mentioned. very establishment lawyer. it's thoord know how any of these candidates who you would get along if they win and who'd they support. >> the zillions of dollars coming in from right wing, very rich business people helping the tea party. they're not the regular folk. thank you for joining us talking about nevada politics and secret messages. up next, bill maher releases a new videotape of christine o'donnell who has just passed the muster of sharron angle, but may not with you after listening to this. she says she is witchcraft, she was a witch. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc ft. how are those flat rate boxes working out? fabulous! they gave me this great idea. yea?
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first, the newest installment of the christine o'donnell files. in bill maher's latest, she says she almost dabbled in the harry krishna movement. >> i was dabbling into every religion. >> you were a witch. >> i dabbled in bud his. i didn't want to become a ve vegetarian. >> boy, are you spiritual. >> maher said o'donnell's made 22 appearances total and who knows what's coming next. next for us, rahm emanuel waesed no time coming out with his first campaign video. note here the quote, glad to be home theme.
>> my father came to chicago as an immigrant from israel. i was born here and my wife and i raised our three children here. the president asked me to serve as chief of staff. it was a great honor to be working with him. but i'm glad to be home. >> that was filmed in washington, d.c. a real problem for emanuel. illinois state says the candidate for mayor must reside in chicago for a year before the election. he likely will face challenges from rival candidates on that fact. now to tonight's big number. alaska's joe miller just said he doesn't believe there should be federal minimum wage law. he's not the only candidate taking a whack at the minimum wage. by the atlantic's count, four. miller, mcmahon, rossy, four republican would be senators
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or two. >> well, welcome back to "hardball." that was the meg whitman and jerry brown debate. joan walsh is the editor and chief of solan.com. joan, let's talk a look at this. what everybody wants to watch is the real deal. saturday night between meg whitman, made millions of dollars and brown, coming back to the the oldest governor in the history. >> the real tragedy here the nikki. after november 2nd, nobody's going to be watching out and jerry, you should be ashamed, you and your surrogates put her deportation at risk. you put her out there and you should be ashamed for sacrifi sacrificing nikki diaz.
>> this is incredible. when you try to evade responsibility, you're going around the state saying employers must be accountable. don't run for governor if you can't say, hey, i made a mistake, i'm sorry. let's go on from her. you have blamed her, blamed me, blamed the left, the unions. you can't take accountability and be a leader unless you're willing to stand on your own two feet. >> what would you have had me do? my husband and i played by the rules and the fact your campaign two weeks ago was talking about this issue, the fact you are joined at the hip with gloria allred, it was a political stunt. >> let's forget the fact she hired somebody illegally. she probably knew it. let's go to this question. my husband and i.
bringing in the husband on this. and then saying he's joined at the hip. >> no. >> just tearing off of people. she's running. jerry's running. why is she bringing gloria allred and her husband. >> there's no proof jerry brown had anything to do with this. you have to be stupid to think in this day and age if you hire someone illegally, it's not going to come after you. >> you and i know the history of huffington. the history of dianne feinstein. they both did apparently. tell me if i'm making sense here. a couple of years ago in 2009 when this issue came up, she began to clear the deck. she probably had somebody smart say you have to look out for the fact you have skeletons in your closet. have you hired anybody
illegally. oh, i better check on my employees. >> something like that probably happened. she said the woman came to her. none of us were there. we have to stick to what we know and that is when she found out or when she had it confirmed or decided it was a political liability, she fired this woman that she later said was like family. she then accused her of stealing mail that would have come from the federal government. then she has the audacity, the line i loved, she opens up and says, oh, i did not know that nikki diaz i saw at the press conference because she called me miss whitman. like they were sisters or this is some kind of evidence they
were buddies or family. >> this is another election. let's take a look at connecticut. here's the latest. before we show this, for weeks, we've known about the problem that richard blumenthal, a fine man in so many ways. he had a problem explaining his war record. apparently, on many occasions, he was saying i served in vietnam. he didn't really straighten that out and here it is coming home to haunt him. here's the ad hitting him the day of today, which is the day of their first debate coming tonight. >> i approve this message. >> would you lie about serving in a war? >> we have learned something very important since the days i served in vietnam. >> blumenthal did. again and again. >> when we returned, we saw nothing of this gratitude. >> he covered one lie with another. >> since the days that i served
in vietnam -- >> he lied about vietnam. what else is he lying about? >> that's a deadly ad. >> yeah. it gets at his character. the problem i think -- >> with his words. >> the problem from the mcmahon people, they pushed this issue. that was several months ago and now, to bring it up again, it lacks the potentsy. >> could it be they're bringing this up so the journalists have to bring it up? >> last week, we saw linda mcmahon stepped in with the minimum wage comments. >> he has had a great record. >> he's still slightly ahead. over 50. i'm looking at the numbers. he should win this narrowly, but
look at the direction of those two polls. he's got a pretty negative slope. they're about to cross. the question is, will they cross before november 2nd. imagine. >> if it went on long enough, it looks like those two lines will cross, but it does come to an end in november. >> will the debate now be driven by this tough ad? >> i can't see a scenario in which that would not have come up. i think they're distorting his words and it's very difficult to say that he lied. it doesn't sound good for him, but we don't know that he lied. there are times when you misspeak. i've done it on television. maybe that's the explanation. we know there were many times that he told the truth and talked about being in the reserves. they say he lied and i think that's too far. there's also, she said
staggering things about the minimum wage. >> there's nobody my age who's a male would agree because it is such an intense issue for us. those who served and those who didn't. i was in the peace corp. we know the decision we made. whether they were positive because we opposed to war or found some way to get in. nobody would say they fought in vietnam if they didn't. would never say that. i say thank you for your service and that he say, were you in it. they were there when the guns were firing. and the guys look at you -- >> the problem here i thought was not that he inserted himself into the comment, but it looks like he was making himself seem more powerful to the voters. they want authenticity. >> the question is, maybe it's time to have a little statement to the people of connecticut. i did not serve and i wish i had
never said anything like it. thank you. we occasionally disagree and we should. that's why we're both here. one of us would be unnecessary. thank you. up next, as president obama's job approval ratings dip into the 40s overall, african-american voters are still with him. wait until you see the numbers. even higher than a couple of years ago, but can the president get them to the polls? will they become likely voters? ♪
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but you have to earn your spurs here. one minute. this new poll number that's out here that shows that 91% are african-americans in the count rear still with the president. it's even up a bit. i mean, these numbers are interested and moved between ed 93. the phrase, black enough in the campaign. but more it's more like issues, not so much of ethnic identification which i don't think that he's ever dodged but issues, like joblessness. >> well, there are a lot of african-americans who to look those issues and they look at their bank accounts, the friends that have lost jobs. they hear people talking about recovery but they don't necessarily feel the recovery in their lives. and they, like a lot of voters, would like to see perhaps more results coming out of the white house, but unlike some other voters or voting groups, they have a certain fidelity to this president and they're more likely to stay with him because of the historic nature of this presidency, they really have rallied behind the president. the big question, though is whether they will show the same kind of enthusiasm in the
midterms, and looking way down the road in 2012, where they'll show up in big numbers, whether they'll, you know, show up atú the polls with the same sort of enthusiasm and making sure that they don't just go by themselves but to bring someone with you. remember that people were told that you know in the 2008 election, of, don't go to the polls alone. i wonder if that kind of message will get out there in the midterm, and in the general election. >> yeah. will it be a group event, like it was in 2008? will it be something that you celebrate together? i had a theory that when you walked down the street and say hello to your friends who went to the barber's or your neighborhood hangout you couldn't walk into the room and say, i didn't vote today. you had to voted. whereas in this election you could probably say to some people you know i'm so sick and tired, didn't bother voting and you wouldn't be yelled out of the room. that's the difference. >> the white house, they understand it and you're starting to hear from them, you hear it from president obama on the campaign trail. you're starting to hear it from the surrogates that are out on the road and you're starting to hear it more often from the candidates and i'm certain you'll hear it from the dnc.
is the message, the work is not done yet. >> yeah that's for sure. let me ask you about you and i've always been a fan of yours and i think that you're something special as a reporter obviously and you've been this -- that perfection operation you work for, national public radio, which is so perfect. you know we just try here, but you guys already succeed. i also like the fact that you've kept your distinctive voice and not sounding like everybody else over there but that's something that i pay attention to. your dad, this story secrets growing up as an african-american. that secret about your dad getting shot? >> well, it was a secret that the family kept for years, my father kept. he never told anyone, he didn't even tell my mother and what i learned from an uncle, who basically you know spilled it one day. he said you know your dad was shot years ago, and chris, saying this on the television right now, saying it while i'm on book tour never gets -- never gets easier because this is something that i never had a chance to talk my to my own father about but he was shot in birmingham when he returned as a navy veteran after world war ii and he stood up for himself
when -- confronted by police officers who didn't want to let him in to a public building and there was a scuffle and a gun went off and he was wounded in the leg when the bullet grazed his leg. and what i realized is that he was part of a group of veterans who came back from their military service and were not fully embraced after they fought for democracy and tried to get a piece of it back home. and yet, they didn't move forward with anger. >> michelle, thanks so much the name of the book is "the name of the grace." boots america. "the grace silence" and what we don't know, some of us. when we return let me finish what a democratic victory would mean for the country versus what the republicans are promising do. this election is going to matter. please vote! you'll have argument in my moment. here's the truth: safe drivers cost everybody less.
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let me finish tonight with the years number one political topic. are the democrats going to get their butt kicked? a month or six weeks ago it was hard to get i bet against it. they were going to lose the house, maybe even the senate. well, today, october 4th, there's some wiggle room to o that production. maybe people are starting to shake themselves away. democratic voters are starting to get rallied. people, the people who care about it, the politics that people care about it can never be a spectator sport. ultimately you're interested in it for what matters to you. it could be philosophical, it could be about your personal economic b and it could be and
ought to be about what kind of country you want to live in. if the republicans gain control of house of representatives, again, they will own economic policy. that's a fact. they will direct the tax cuts where they want them. in the past, that's been very good news for people at very top. they will cutdown on government regulation which has been very warmly received by people high up on wall street. they will kill health care. and anything that looks like environmental legislation, and you can forget about human rights issues, that's not their cup of tea. and don't expect them to stop the next war coming, when wars are the issue, you can count on republicans to be in the amen chor chorus. topping it all off are the zany candidates the republicans have on the ballot in november. the one who thinks it's okay for people to use their weapons when they don't like the way congress' voting. the guy running for governor of new york who threatens to take out people who cross them. the guy in kentucky who thinks that the civil rights bill was the wrong way to go. the guy in alaska, who thinks unemployment comp is unconstitutional. well, the list goes on. and it's not as funny as it sounds. this isn't "saturday night live." it's tuesday election day right here in the u.s. are the d