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mr. humility, king lutz of st. louis. mr. they said it couldn't be done. you are the best new thing in the world today. seriously. they said it couldn't be done. congratulations. also go-carts. that does it for us tonight. see you tomorrow night. now it is time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. his guest tonight is brian williams so stick around. try to look surprised the herman cain is campaign is official ly out of control. >> america has never seen another candidate like herman cain. >> herman cain never thought he would be the front runner. >> i never thought i would be taken seriously. >> i have no idea. >> reporter: herman cain really is making it up as he goes along. >> do you think i'm dumb enough not to study up on these issues. >> the cain campaign is in chaos. >> a "new york times" report this morning d. >> do not speak to him unless you are spoken to. >> knew the bull's eye on my
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back was big, but not that big. my 9-9-9 plan. >> i know the republican party but this can't be the kind of nine they want. >> let herman be herman. >> let herman be herman. >> let herman be herman and block be block. >> i'm going to smoke a cigarette. >> rick perry is tired of losing debates so he is skipping them. >> he may start to skip future debates. >> rick perry says he may be through with dastardly debates. >> bad debates, a lot of problems with the campaign. >> it takes valuable time away from dpaning. >> and republicans are tired of crazy people ruining their party. >> nobody has been able to find any records. >> i can call this paper towel a napkin, but it is a napkin. >> these things do not help. >> admonitions by barbara bush. >> you are hoping obama get
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re-elected. >> michele bachmann's campaign is in trouble. yorng i don't know if you heard this. >> hooray for trouble. >> that thud you are about to hear is the herman cain campaign crashing back to earth. so, writes joe kleine in this week's issue of "time" n. the "new york times," the first cain campaign expose entitled as cain promotes his management skills exaides tell of campaign chaos. interviews with his former staff members volunteers and support members give a glimpse at a campaign that let led to basic campaign management which led to
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problems in hiring, scheduling and fund-raising and messaging it is a tale of former 9-9-9 idealists sadly discovering who was really behind the curtain. some former aides said they had longed to see the problem solving side of mr. cain or see mr. cain at all over the spring and summer. he did not spend much time with work withers. he did not plan conference calls or staff meetings and was given to changing his mind about appearances, sometimes with little notice, a tendency that angered his field workers. cain forced his campaign workers to sign nondisclosure agreements, something i have never heard of in a campaign, so most of them are not quoted by name in the article. everything we tried to do was like pulling teeth to get accomplished said a former staff member in iowa who asked for anonymity. i've never been involved in a job that was as frustrating as this one. we couldn't get an answer on anything.
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everything was fly by the seat of your pants. that is direct confirmation of what this network's republican senior statesman has been surmising every morning. >> he's making it up as he goes along and it is starting blow up in his face. >> flavor of the month. he is this month's michele bachmann or rick perry or donald trump or sarah palin. he's making it up. >> so is herman cain. but it is okay. >> of course he is. they are just making it up. >> seriously. >> he's making it up. and then there's the secret cain campaign e-mail memo that the "new york times"s has exposed. it contains an edict that i, for one, have tried to enforce everywhere i've worked and i quote, do not speak to him unless you are spoken to. i found it odd, said a former staff member who liked to prep mr. cain for appearances while
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driving, the aide who spoke on the condition of anonymity quit not long after citing the e-mail as one of the deciding factors. joining me now "time" columnist joe kleine whose latest column, the gop wheel of fortune appears in this week's issue and alex wagner, gop political analyst. thank you for squoining me tonight. >> thank you. >> that don't speak unless you are spoken to, i have tried that around this building and it doesn't work anywhere. it doesn't work in the elevator. have you heard of that one in a campaign trail before? >> not in a presidential campaign. this thing was hilarious from the start. it was ridiculous how pumped up it got it is about to fizzle in a very dramatic way. >> why will it fizzle. >> one word abortion, his position on abortion is mario cuomo's position of abortion. i'm against it personally, but
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the state shouldn't be involved in this. now when actual republicans hear in iowa. when i was out there this week their essential response is he is dead to me forever. >> hasn't he changed it now, his official position is the republican position and that is what it is as of today and that's all that matters. >> except for the fact that he said it the other way on fox news and other places earlier in the week. people don't know this guy and the more they are learning about him, he's as much of a turn around artist as mitt romney is on a lot of issues. he is really making it up. >> alex wagner, first of all, i want to thank you for being the only one here at msnbc who observes any do not speak to him unless spoken to rule. >> i know the rules, boss. >> by the way, to be fair to herman cain and i think all of the questions will begin with that. to be fair to herman cain, his
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rule about not tab speaking to him unless spoken to apparently applies perhaps only in the car. only in the car when he's going places. he doesn't want to be spoken in to. in fact, as many of places who have been in the car with i candidate that's where most of your talking gets done. >> sure. >> what about the abortion thing? romney's position on abortion is number one forget what i used to say it is what i say now going forward and why won't that work for cain to just say, ignore everything i've said prior to now and now i'm going to say this thing on the index card that the republicans want me to say. >> i think it is what joe was getting to at the end of his comment. it is like this for herman cain on every issue. foreign policy it was becky, becky, beckystan. he is only appearing to now know what countries are in the world so he can make a for in the next week. his tax plan has been debunked by columnist conservative and liberal in stripe.
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he's not prepared for primetime and the sinking feeling this guy was never running for president any way. he has written a book and i think we can all -- if he doesn't get the nomination, i think we can relax and go to bed at night knowing happily that he will be on the national stage as a pundit and voice for conservatives for some time to come. >> cain said he has been studying foreign policy for a couple of months now, which i believe is a couple of months longer than rick perry. >> and then you have to give herman cain the, he is great in debates. he keeps things fiery and moving. rick perry is looking for some teleprompter in the sky that doesn't exist. when he said he was doing debate prep and his advisers say he was trying to bone up on his ps and qs for the debate, i'm not sure what that entailed. i don't see where the prep part came in here.
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>> joe, going back to your column it says cain's flim flap flam or naivete confirms the pizza man is over his head and makes it time for another spin of another spin of republican wheel of misfortune. clearly he is in over his head. >> irony. >> your thought is okay, he's the latest bubble candidate like michele bachmann who runs up in the polls and trump who got good numbers before he admitted he was never running for president and your theory is that someone else will move in to the cain position in the polls. who could that be? >> it is possible that perry will come back because he has money to put on tv but his strategy, which is wall-to-wall ugly doesn't work in presidential campaigns. it is a kamikaze strategy. that leaves gingrich and
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santorum, both of whom i saw in iowa this week with and both of whom are fascinating. this republican field is the most, you know glorious display of weird humanity i have ever seen on a deplate platform and they have had all of these rash nails. most of them aren't really running for presidential, running for electoral fees, and donald trump running for ratings. sarah palin running to sell a book and reality tv show. but this has little to do with presidential politics. newt, however, is a very clever guy. he has interesting ideas. i saw him turn a stump speech in to an endless lecture about brain science the other day. it was fascinating. >> standing ovation for the brain science one. >> only after he called obama every name in the book. >> you have to do that.
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in any brain science election you will find obama. alex, the times article about the campaign is filled with great stuff about herman cain leaving a group of people behind, not knowing they were upstairs wanting to contribute to his campaign and he went to the airport instead. real candidates don't do the that. the cain campaign has a response to the times article. they say other than pleasantly saying hello, some people in the past didn't understand that it is his time to prep for interviews, speeches and other public appearances but because he is nice, and engaging, some people thought it was okay to strike up conversations whenever they were in the car with him. and so those people got straightened out by that e-mail. herman cain, do you see, do you buy joe's notion that this thing has to flame out and the other side of it that the cain bubble will probably get replaced by someone else? >> a thousand percent. i think if the cain bubble doesn't burst there are going to
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be a lot of americans that become canadians in the next semplt months. it is insane and high comedy in the gop presidential field. i agree with santorum, he is conservative and consistent and really connects with his audiences. >> the santorum campaign should pop the champagne right now. it just had its high point of the year. times joe kleine and msnbc alex wagner, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. coming up, brian williams, the hardest working man in show business will join me. but first, mississippi tries to grant full legal personhood at fertilization. and the president's birth certificate means nothing to 46% of south carolina republicans who love hearing every word donald trump has to say about him. that's next.
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so it's not just warren buffett that thinks that millionaires should pay more in federal income taxes. the "wall street journal" reports today that a new survey of millionaires found that more than two-thirds of them, 68%, support raising taxes on millionaires. that's 68% of millionaires support raising taxes on themselves. an analyst at the spectrum group, which conducted the survey says, what this tells us is there is a large number of wealthy folks who said, gee, we need to increase taxes to stimulate the economy. no one likes to be taxed more but the reality is maybe it has to be done. what this also tells us is that america has the nicest millionaires in the world. coming up, how much trouble is the denial of the president's birth certificate causing the republican party. republican strategist steve schmitt joins me next.
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36% of south carolina republicans believe president obama was not born in the united states. nothing in this now very familiar document can change their minds about that. another 10% of south carolina republicans are not sure which country the president was born in. that means, 46% of south carolina republicans are very interested in hearing things like this delivered to them by a highly credible cable news network. >> do you accept that what he produced is valid? >> i don't necessarily -- >> do you believe he was probably born in america. >> i say he might have been. >> what does your gut telle you, you are a smart guy. >> my gut tell me a lot of things. it took a long time to produce the certificate. and when it came out, you check out the internet and many people
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say it is not real. that it is a forgery. >> the internet is at lot of nonsense. >> they go over it and a lot of different things and reasons and the other thing is nobody has been able to see the day of his birth. they had twins born, nobody has been able to find any records that he was born in that hospital. >> do you think politically for rick perry -- >> i think it is a positive for him. >> is it a sensible thing for him to do. >> i think it is good for him in the republican primary. i don't know if it is necessarily good in the general election. >> that was a former fake presidential candidate on cnn tonight trying to keep hope alive that the president's birth certificate isn't the president's birth certificate. here's how a real presidential candidate handled it. >> i'm really not worried about the president's birth certificate. it's fun to poke at him a little bit and say how about let's see
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your grades and your birth certificate. >> are you saying that your comments about that are kind of a joke, or do you seriously have an unresolved question like donald trump has about this. >> i don't have a clue about where the president and what this birth certificate says. >> joining me now is msnbc analyst steve schmitt. steve, is the former senior adviser to the mccain/palin 2008 campaign and a senior strategy in the bush cheney 2004 campaign and managed arnold schwarzenegger ooel's 2006 re-election campaign. thank you for joining us tonight. >> great to be here. >> steve, we have talked before about how much damage the so-called birtherism is doing in the republican party. i'd like to explore what good it may do for some candidates now that i have seen the poll from south carolina. the south carolina poll of republicans by winthrop university that says 36% believe president obama was born in another country.
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they believe that. there's another 10% who aren't sure. so there's 46% who are certainly more than open to the idea that that is not the president's birth certificate, that both donald trump and rick perry talk about. and then there's 30% believe that president obama is a muslim, another 18% believe he is something other than what he says he is, a christian. so there's 48% of south carolina republicans who do not believe that the president is what he says he is religiously. you have 46% who think, eh, wasn't born here. isn't that what that talk is directed to? it's rick perry trying to find the language that makes those people feel he's one of us. >> i find it very disturbing. i think is this is terrible news for republicans.
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i think the numbers you just went through were absolutely frightening. i think the flirtation with this lunatic fringe out there by some of our candidates is reprehensible. and it's really disturbing when you listen to rick perry talk there. because i think there is something he may not understand about our system and it is this, it's the loser who legitimizes the win in an election through the concession. it's the loser that says to all of the people that the election was legitimate. and you have this systemic effort to delegitimize the commander in chief when we have american troops deployed abroad in combat. i just think it's awful. >> steve, there's now some evidence that rick perry may be listening to you on this. let's listen to how he handled this on a local interview in tampa, florida. >> i don't think i was expressing doubts. i was having fun with donald trump. look, it's fun to -- lighten up
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a bit. >> you have no doubt he is an american citizen. >> i have no doubt about it. >> that's a new sentence for him, i have no doubt about it. >> and i don't think the lighten up comment wears very well. there's a reason that that many republicans in any given state believe this is a legitimate issue and it's because people who are us a sentenceably serious people who, have a broadcast platform have gone out and be highly irresponsible with this. and i think delegitimize ing the president is the wrong thing to do politically and it is also a terrible thing to do for the country and it does, i think grievous damage to our system and our institutions. and it's one of the reasons, when you look across the field of survey data, that you see in institution after institution in this country the collapse of trust. and it's a big problem and this doesn't do anything to help remedy it.
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>> steve, you have been in the room with presidential candidates at the highest level who have to make these decisions and successful presidential candidates of their way to nominations. if a presidential candidate in this field said to you, you were working for that candidate and you were in the room and said isn't it time to go to new york and visit with donald trump all the other candidates have done it. what would you tell the candidate. >> i would try to tie myself to the bumper of the car to prevent it from leaving the parking lot. donald trump has a lot of talent, is a big personality but for a strange reason has started to flirt with this crazy fringe. you can't see him without hurting your i campaign. >> msnbc political analyst steve schmitt thank you for joining me tonight. >> you bet, lawrence. thank you. coming up, mississippi tries to define personhood beginning at fertilization.
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in tonight's profile in greed on day 41 of the occupy wall street protest, a look at rajat gupta. he was a managing partner of the global consulting firm mckenzie. he was in charge of turg the collapse of enron.
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he was fade between 5 and $10 million a year at mckenzie and made 3 million a year sitting on the boards of other companies including goldman sachs. his net worth is estimated at $100 million. but 100 million wasn't apparently enough according to an sec complaint. gupta phoned a friend, a billionaire hedge fund founder and allegedly gave him an early tip about the goldman sachs earnings report which had not been yet made public. the billionaire hedge fund operator made about 8 million on that alleged tip. in september of 2008, according to the sec complaint, gupta gave his billionaire hedge fund friend another tip. the billionaire made $840,000 on that alleged tip. i know that sounds like a lot of money, 840,000, but 840,000 was actually 1/20 of 1% of the
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billionaire's wealth. .05% of the billionaire's wealth. so bring that down to real world scale, if you had say $10,000 in wealth, in savings, in the bank, what federal crime would you be willing to commit for 5 bucks? how much jail time, federal pen time would you be willing to risk for 5 bucks? that's what the billionaire did to make his $840,000 that day. around that same time, gupta was preparing to leave goldman sachs for a private equity firm. the billionaire friend was caught on a federal wire explaining gupta's desire to leave goldman. i think he wants to, you know, be in that circle. that's a billionaire's circle, right. gupta is like the hundreds of
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millionaire's circle, right and i think he sees an opportunity to make a hundred million over the next five or ten years without doing a lot of work. gupta never made it to the billionaire's circle but he did surrender to fbi agents yesterday. he has pleaded not guilty to insider trading. his billionaire hedge fund friend is already in prison. raja ratnam was sentenced two weeks ago to 11 years in prison, the longest prison sentence ever given in an insider trading case and he is now facing new charges of insider trading. insider trading that was to him worth 5 bucks. in less than two weeks, mississippi will vote on an a amendment that would redefine the word "person" to include a human being from the moment of fertilization.
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we get a firsthand account of the state's personhood movement. that's next. and herman cain gives flynn of material to the late-night comedians. that's coming up in the "rewrite." [ male announcer ] in 1894, a small town pharmacist set out to create a different kind of cold remedy using powerful medicine and natural ingredients from around the world. he called it vicks vaporub. today, the vicks journey continues. introducing new vicks nature fusion cold & flu syrup. powerful multi-symptom medicine flavored with natural honey instead of artificial flavors and dyes.
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way to go, coach. ♪ mississippi seeks to declare a fertized human egg as a legal person. >> amendment 26 is a scientific and moral issue, not a political one. science confirms that a person is a human being at the moment of fertilization. it's a moral issue because it doesn't matter if you come from a family that's rich or poor, black or white, or even if your father was a rapist. >> if initiative 26 pass on november 8th, effectively changing the definition of "person" could make abortion, birth control and invitro fertilization a crime. the unclear language of the amendment leaves it up to the
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state legislature to hash out the details of important questions surrounding pregnancy and governments such as investigating women who have miscarried. even local democrats including the party's candidate for governor support personhood. in an interview with salon, he voiced concerns over the impact of birth control and rape victims but said, i'm answering the question and voting on the question based on what was asked in the initiative. that initiative says, where do you believe life begins? i believe life begins at con sempgs. -- there are initiatives in several other states including florida and ohio. joining me is the staff writer for who wrote a firsthand account of the amendment during her travels to mississippi. thank you for joining me tonight. >> thank you for having me.
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>> this is a campaign they have started in mississippi. is in the first ballot initiative before they move to other states? >> they have been on the ballot twice in colorado. they failed wildly. however, we know mississippi and colorado have very different demographics. this is probably the first state where it could pass. >> you found there are democrats in mississippi who are not standing in the way of this. in fact, openly willing to vote for it, support it. >> the pro personhood people have managed to make it about abortion, which in mississippi is overwhelmingly opposed. so you have democrats who say even though they think there are serious problems with the amendment, for example no exception to rape and incest victims it could stand in the way of caring for a woman if her life is at risk. even though they have these doubts about it they are supporting it because they say, as the johnny due prix from the debate said this is about life at consumption. they have refrained it that way and there's one northeastern the state of mississippi, a democrat
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who stood out against it and said this is about control women and i'm a woman who doesn't like to be controlled. >> this clearly violates roe v. wade. they know what they are trying to set up here, if it passes, is simply a vehicle that will get this delivered to the united states supreme court. >> well, traditionally the pro--life movement has opposed personhood amendments because they think they are too crazy. i'm serious. they think they are going to get roe reaffirmed because they have overreached but you have these people that find personhood an appealing message because they say we have been going incremental and there have been 53 million abortions since roe v wade. this probably not be enforced and if it is passed mississippi which has a high teen pregnancy infant mortality rate will be locked in legislation and it will cost a lot of money. >> explain how this invades the process of invitro fertilization
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and what it could do to miscarriages. >> if they think a fertize liezed egg is in the person. they fertilize more eggs than they are going to use. >> right. they may end up. the medical definition of pregnancy is when an embryo implants, when a fertilized eggplants inside of the uterus. we all know a woman can have a fertilized egg egg and it doesn't implant naturally. and they will need to cause more fertilized eggs. they believe that freezing embryos is murder because 50% may not stur vooif and discarding them is murder, so that would drastically reduce the pregnancy rate. as for miscarriages, if it is looks like it is due to child negligence, negligence of the mother, maybe she had a glass of alcohol or whatever it is. maybe she talked ath about not
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late-night comedians rewrite the political news of the week. >> michele bachmann's campaign is in trouble. i don't know if you heard this. okay, well, whatever. >> hooray for trouble. >> what's that? hooray for trouble. >> no. that's someone who just got the first joke. michele bachmann's campaign in a lot of trouble. the five staffer hos quit her campaign said they did so because she treated them like second-class citizens. however bachmann says that's not true. at no time did i treat them like gays or latinos. i think we're in good shape. michele bachmann said she wants her three daughters to learn to shoot a gun. yeah, mostly so they can put her campaign out of its misery. >> celebrity birthday, hillary clinton, secretary of state, 64 years old today. happy birthday.
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today, donald trump demanded to see her birth certificate. >> doesn't rick perry in this picture look like he's undressing himself with his eyes? doesn't it look like he's looking in the mirror going, [ bleep ] that's me. one time we were executing this fella and i called the execution room right before midnight and i said, i said to the fella, why do they call it the death penalty. the truth is you are really getting thrown out of the whole game. any way, i found out later the fella was mentally disabled, so -- >> the republican candidate herman cain has a new campaign ad out that a lot of people are talking about. because it's really quite odd at the end. it's all over the internet. take a look. >> we can take this country back. i am america one voice united we
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stand i am america >> look like he owns an adult bookstore. >> this is incredible. he has another one just rolling in. >> vote for herman cain. he will unite americans like no other politician can. i am america one voice united we stand >> no, the best part is the eight seconds it takes for herman cain to smile. oh, yeah. >> we are going to get a guy, smoke a cigarette and say watch politics. >> we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] to the 5:00 a.m. scholar. the two trains and a bus rider.
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it is day, 2, 555 of the occupy nbc movement led by newsman comedian, actor, rapper, brian williams. >> from nbc news world headquarters in new york, this is nbc "nightly news" with brian williams. >> good evening. your state has executed 234 death row inmates, more than any other governor in modern times. [ applause ] >> have you struggled to sleep at night with the idea that any one of those might have been innocent? >> there you are. i heard about this whole dot-com thing. i'm not saying i want to audition but mickey from scotch
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plains, new jersey might be interested. hey, forget about it. >> me and some of the guys on 114 ladder are going to schools, mostly children talking to people about fire safety preparedness. >> you find time in your day, i'm sorry, prime minister, i have to see "jersey shore." >> it is different. you have the fist pump, you have the poof, you have the snooks. it's unbelievable. >> amid fears the nation could go in to default for fist time in our history, harry reid and mitch mcconnell are working on a bill pa capable of passing both houses to help this mounting crisis. >> sounds like congress has a mounting crisis. and the tea party isn't pleased by mitch mcconnell jumping in the bed with harry reid. they are telling him move mitch get out of the way get back
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jimmy fallon you don't know him like that >> joining me now the leader and the only intended beneficiary of the occupy nbc movement, mr. brian williams. >> that was the longest two with minutes in television. >> we have more, my friend. we were kind. >> you can't have more. thank you for displaying my new logo. how handsome is that. >> new logo for what? >> it is our new primetime evening news magazine. >> because you don't have enough to do. >> you and i are both fully employed, but in my case i have 2 and a half hours of television a week. 30 minutes times five. i have always said this beats real work. i have done real work. >> there's more work than when you get here. >> i wish that were the case. >> it is called rock center. >> yes. >> when is it on? >> it is called a set up in comedy.
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>> it will be on monday nights at 10:00, 9:00 central. >> at what time? >> 10:00. yeah, i know. i've thought about it. >> you are going against me at 10:00. >> you weren't at 10:00 when i told the network schedulers, hey, it's okay. >> it's time to go back to talk to those schedulers. >> my buddy lod is clear from that time frame so we green lit it and suddenly musical chairs over here. >> here's the deal. my viewers need to know this, if you dvr brian's show and you watch it, you know, at 11:00 that night it will count in his ratings. that's the best i can do for you because i'm not going to release putting the broadcast together not mindful of the entertainment shows that are going to kill us.
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>> how men nigh call of you to think it won't matter who else is on. >> i know we are going to get crushed. it is not a ratings thing. >> you might not just have problems with "dancing with the stars." i want you to take a look at what else i'm up against and i know i'm up against them in the cable world. i'm up against them every night and i planned this show with these shows in mind knowing i have to counter programming and know what they are doing. we will look at some of the thing you are going to be up against at 10:00. like "american guns" on discovery.
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>> let's get rid of that demon liquor over there. >> look. are you going to have demon liquor on the show? >> tell me this doesn't look fun. >> have you ever opened up weapons in a place are where you can't hurt yourself or somebody else and just open up. >> oh usa. >> all part of the a usa family. >> i can get this at home. so i don't need to watch it. >> okay. >> but everyone with a remote is going to be passing by this, saying where's brian williams. they see this. >> that's true. >> why would they keep going? >> i have old tapes of the democratic convention. >> ridiculousness it is on tv at 10:00 at night. this. >> that's pretty good. >> what are you going to do better than that? >> how do you not love, thb is fantastic. >> motorcycles. >> i will be watching this and tivoing me and on the second
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tivo channel tivoing you. this one you watch. >> i can tell you all about the show. >> oh, my goodness. they are discriminating. someone has them over and says it is a 57 chevy and beautifully restored and they have the ability to walk away from something like that. and people bring in all kinds of stuff. here's a wristband signed by grover cleveland. >> how many real house wives will you have. >> i'm a jersey person. i don't do beverly hills it is a too much of a narcissism festival, even for the sub culture of us that watch housewives shows with the word housewives in them. i'm all about housewives of new jersey, though. that's some good television. but you raise a good point here. this is gnarled 10:00 p.m. veteran. you raise a good point. there's some good stuff on opposite you and me. >> it is. it is adult fare, 10:00 p.m. in
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the broadcast hour is where they put the most adult shows. so you have to bring your adult game at 10:00 p.m. that stuff you get away with at 6:30, not at 10:00 p.m. >> i'm not sure i want ban ki moon to put it on the big screen and say judge the united states by our programming at 10:00 p.m. except for say you and me. >> really, give me a rough idea of the range of things you will be doing monday at 10:00 that my audience will be watching on dvrs sometime after 11:00 p.m.? >> your audience will like our broadcast. we are going to do hard news. this is going to be a really good television -- >> this is sounding good to me. this is noncompetitive so far. >> we will have folks stop by the studio who are interesting and notable and have something to say and will be perhaps surprising some weeks to give it a little pace. we will do stories that will get stuck in your head, stories that you will think about at all times thereafter. and no tricks or gimmicks, cash
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giveaway, we are going to do it, play it straight. >> here's the thing you want to know at 10:00 p.m. with those guests, here's the thing you want to do with the guests. make sure you have an index card with their names. i have to have it for every single person. because i could easily forget. i do forget the names. >> i want to be gentle about this but there is an age difference between the two of us. >> under the pressure of live. >> i'm still rock in' it without the cards. i know to say lawrence and it is not written anywhere in front of me. >> that's good. really good. >> we will be live. >> you and i have to broker a truce here. >> why? >> because this rating of my staff has to stop. >> they gave you half of your people. >> but then you took ronnie p alador oorks. i can't do this without ronnie. >> he was begging me to get me out of this place. >> they are all going to beg you.
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>> he used all of these words and we had to do it. >> what does friendship mean. >> he beg sfwld who cares if they beg you to leave. of course they are all going to beg you. >> waited for me at the curb, mr. williams can i walk you to the cab. >> and you are supposed to say no, he is a friend of mine i can't do that sglaeb he handed my a note that said help me. it is after a staff meeting and we don't need to air this here. >> can we shake on it that in the end of the rating war. >> sure. >> brian williams of the "nightly news" and now rock center that airs at a time that conflicts sharply with this.