tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC March 31, 2012 6:00am-7:00am EDT
the city of new york has a population of about 8 million people. quick math. if one in eight people were going the turn out to hear the president speak because he was visiting new york city, that would mean 1 million new york city residents turning out for a president obama rally. a million people. new york city is a pretty democratic place. capital d democratic place but a million new yorkers are not going to turn out to hear anybody. that is the equivalent of what happened today in the beautiful city of burlington, vermont. the total population in burlington is about 40,000 people. the total number that turned out to see president obama today in burlington was 5,000 people, which means about one in every eight people who lives in burlington was at this rally. and they have to pay a lot of money to get in, this was not a free, come-on-down sort of thing. general admission tickets were $100.
the reduced price aimed at younger supporters was $44. with a $44 minimum ticket price they turned out roughly one out of every eight people in the city. now, obviously, vermont is the opposite of a battleground state. after the president spoke in vermont today he went on to speak in maine, which is slightly more of a battleground state but not a battleground state. running for president, running for re-election means not just winning over purple states that might be undecided about you but also raising money from and speaking to and energizing what they call the base. the people that already support you but from whom you would like more. more enthusiasm, more donations, more volunteers to work on your campaign. when a candidate is speaking to his most enthusiastic supporters, when a candidate on either side is speaking to his or her base, the energy is important. you can see it operating in both
directions. it's a two-way street. you can see the way the candidate not only boosts his supporters and excites them very much by being there but his supporters boost him. >> today gm is back on top as the world's number one automaker, reported the highest profits in a hundred years. the american auto industry is back and it's making cars that are more fuel-efficient so that's helping the environment, even as we're putting people to work. and yes, change is the health care reform that we passed after over a century of trying. already, americans can't be denied or dropped by their insurance companies when they need care the most. already, they're getting preventative care that they didn't have before. that's happening right now. change is the fact that for the first time in nine years there are no americans fighting in iraq.
>> president obama, today, very much feeling it in campaigning in vermont and maine. you can see the president energized by what he's saying and by the very enthusiastic response he's getting from that very supportive crowd. here is what i think is the most under reported 2012 story of this week. the biggest and, i think, most political move by any of the candidates. it got no coverage at all which surprises me given how much attention this has received. on wednesday this week president obama released this video. it's a video recorded at the white house in which he specifically addresses supporters of planned parenthood. yes, it's interesting that president obama is addressing planned parenthood supporters specifically. it's not just the fact that he did this, it's what he said in this video that i think is really newsworthy. i can't believe this didn't get more attention this week. >> over the past year you've had
to stand up to politicians who wanted to deny millions of women the care they rely on and inject themselves into decisions that are best made between a woman and her doctor. let's be clear here, women are not an interest group. they're mothers and daughters and sisters and wives. they're half of this country and they're perfectly capable of making their own choices about their health. when some professional politicians casually say they will get rid of planned parenthood, don't forget what they are really talking about, eliminating the funding for preventive care that millions of women rely on and leaving them to fend for themselves. that's why last year when republicans in congress threatened to shut down the government unless we stopped funding planned parenthood, i had a simple answer, no. we know this debate is far from over. we must continue to send the message loud and clear. if you truly value families, you shouldn't play politics with a
woman's health. that's why i know planned parenthood will continue providing care no matter what. i know you'll never stop fighting to protect the health care and the choices that america's women deserve. as long as i have the privilege of being your president, neither will i. >> as much attention as this issue about planned parenthood and contraception and reproductive rights on the campaign trail has received over the last few weeks, i'm kind of amazed that statement from the president to planned parenthood supporters this week did not get blanket coverage. in any case, as democrats have supported legal abortion and contraception acts and women's health in the past, even as they supported those things for a long time, democrats have been shy about campaigning on that. as you can see from the president's remarks, they are not shy about it anymore when republicans put these issues front and center, somewhat inexplicably, into 2012 politics. the president taking advantage of what the republicans have done there. we are starting to see the
contours of the barack obama re-election campaign. you see it in the way they are going after republicans for what is seen as the republican agenda. you see it in the way that president obama is very enthusiastically engaging with his most enthusiastic supporters. this is the way the president will run for re-election. we're also seeing a little bit of how mitt romney, the likely republican nominee is going to run against president obama. we'll have a bit more on that later in the show. of course, before mr. romney can fully jump into a general election campaign against the president, he still has to dispatch his rivals for the republican nomination. at this point in the campaign that means mitt romney has to be showing that he's consolidating his lead, showing he is locking up the republican establishment. pretty much every single day now that means mitt romney rolls out a high profile republican establishment endorsement. last week it was former florida governor jeb bush. this week it was republican
senators mike lee and marco rubio and former president george h.w. bush. getting endorsements like that, having high profile surrogates, to talk on your behalf, for mr. romney that's been a doubl double-edged sword this year. on our staff and on our blog we talk about this as mitt romney's surrogate problem. right around the time of michigan primary you may remember mr. romney picked up the endorsement of fred upton. how did mr. upton express his enthusiasm for mitt romney? he told the michigan press how wrong mitt romney was on the auto bailout on one of the biggest issues in his state. early on in the race he got the endorcement of republican congressman joe heck out of nevada. how does mr. heck express his enthusiasm for mitt romney? he informed the nevada press core that mr. romney was dead wrong on the biggest issue in his state, housing.
down in arizona mitt romney gets the endorsement of randy pullen. how does randy pullen express his enthusiasm? he said, my guy has a hard time connecting with people. yes, sir, and you're not helping. former republican governor jon huntsman of utah drops out himself. he endorses mitt romney and how does he express his enthusiasm for mitt romney? >> gone are the days when the republican party used to put forward big bold visionary stuff. we're going to have problems politically until we get some sort of third party movement or some alternative voice out there that can put forward new ideas. >> by the way, vote for mitt in the meantime until we get the third party we need because the republicans are such a disaster. mitt romney got the endorsement of former republican congressman
tom davis out of virginia. how does congressman davis put into words his unbridled enthusiasm for mr. romney? >> he may not be mr. personality. he gives the fire-side chat and the fire goes out. >> with friend like those -- this week mr. romney got the endorcement of marco rub beau. rubio. how does he express his enthusiasm for mr. romney? he told a conservative media outlet, there's a lot of other people throughout that some of us wish had run for president, but they didn't. so, i guess vote for mitt. yesterday mitt romney received the endorsement of george h.w. bush. how did barbara bush express her enthusiasm. >> i think the worst campaign i've ever seen in my life. >> for those of you keeping
track of the bush's this year, mitt romney has the endorsement of george h.w. bush, barbara bush and jeb bush. all of that raises the question of the other notable bush son. >> george w. bush has been here and have you sought his endorsement? >> i haven't met with him. we speak from time to time. >> we got to get out of here. >> now you see why. >> you speak all the time. >> has he endorsed you yet? >> no. >> not helping. nobody wants to talk about george w. bush. this is not helping the
reporters, they are still there. don't ever talk about that again. nobody knows how hard it will be for a republican to beat this president. beating a sitting president is never easy. is this sort of par for the course with mitt romney dealing with this when it comes to his supporters. does he have to worry about a battle with not just the sitting democratic but with his own flank? does he have to worry about the litany of talking points from people he's presented as his own team? from observer campaigns over the time i have observed cam pains, this does not seem to be to a normal problem that should face a front-runner for republican nomination. i don't know if it's normal. it doesn't seem normal to me. joining us is a guy that knows if this is a normal problem to have. it's steve schmidt. he's a msnbc political analyst. steve, thanks for being here. >> great. good to be with you, rachel. >> when you line up all the
different off message things that mitt romney's endorsers have said, often very close to the time that they were getting press attention for endorsing him, when you line them up next to each other, it seems like a problem. am i making a problem where there isn't one? does this happen all the time? >> you're kind of making a problem where there isn't one. this is a good week for mitt romney. you see the establishment of the republican party is now coming to acceptance that he's going to be the nominee of the party. they have made the gingrich effort, the an santorum effort looking increasingly detached from reality. he's in the final stages of wrapping this up. it's been a long contest, hard contest that drained the support levels in the middle of the electorate from all the republican candidates, but we're starting to get into that transition part of the race now. all in all it's been a good week for mitt romney. >> it's been interesting to watch former first lady bush, former president bush, the
senior, jeb bush, also jeb bush's son for that matter, all endorsing mitt romney and all raising the question of whether there be a george w. bush endorsement. that made explicit in that photo op with mitt romney in a way that made everybody visibly uncomfortable. how much does the george w. bush endorsement loom at this point? >> i think it's in a republican primary. president bush is regarded and thought of. it won't be a factor in the general election. the record that's going to be front and center in this election is not president bush, it's president obama's. if he endorses in the republican primary it's helpful to mitt romney. i suspect as mitt romney gets to the next stage of closeness to wrapping this up, you'll see president george w. bush weigh in as well. that will be a good day for mitt romney. >> you think that wouldn't have a downside. one of the things we are going to be talking over later in the
show is mitt romney seemingly trying to attack president obama on foreign policy. it seems a huge liability for mr. romney that he's got as all of his foreign policy advisers all of these george w. bush foreign policy advisers. it seems that would be embarrassing to point out. you think it wouldn't have a negative effect, even in the general? >> they have come up one to one even in favorable to unfavorable. as they look at former presidents, they rise as time passes as they are out of office, it is a contentious, period of history that he served in with a lot of division in the country, but look, elections are always about the future, not the past. i don't think we're going to have an argument about the term of the 43rd president of the united states. i think the argument will be around the term of the 44th president of the united states and what we do going forward
from here. i just don't think it's going to be a big deal in the political calculus of this election. >> steve, you can talk me into a lot of things about the republican way of looking at politics, i have learned a lot from you, but the idea that it's going to be a good day when george b. bush endorses mitt romney, uh finally found the thing in which you and i are living in total opposite universes and can't see the facts in the same way. when you come back, will you talk about the data? >> absolutely. it will happen. it will be a good day. >> it will be one of those days when we realize there are two different americas and two different ways of seeing these things. thanks for your time, steve. appreciate it. >> great to see you, rachel. the wisconsin primary is coming up fast in the republican race and there's a lot the republican candidates should understand from the way that wisconsin governor scott walker has decided to govern and the way wisconsin has reacted to it. also coming up on the show tonight for if the first time
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down parts of the wisconsin law. it argued that some union rights governor walker stripped be restored by may 31st. on that same day in that ruling wisconsin's election board voted unanimously today to make it official, that governor scott walker will face a recall election in wisconsin along with governor walker's recall, the wisconsin election board also ordered recall elections today for the state's republican lieutenant governor and for four republican senators. in wisconsin, republicans have already lost majority control of the state senate in part because of the first round of elections held last summer in which two republicans were ousted. before their decision to strip union union rights in their state, republicans had a big majority in the wisconsin state senate, but thanks to those recalls last summer and the resignation of another republican senator facing a recall, the wisconsin state senate is now tied. they have split control between republicans and democrats. there's not a majority leader, there are co-leaders.
with four more recalls to come in wisconsin, republicans might lose more seats in the senate and they may lose the lieutenant governor and the governor. this is the red hot political contest for the presidential campaign happening right now. the primary on tuesday is thought of as the most important of tuesday's contest. in part because it's rick santorum's last chance to make a convincing argument for his campaign to continue. competing in wisconsin means competing in a state where republican ideas are being received in the streets like this. do the republican presidential candidates see the ballot of scott walker in wisconsin as a cautionary tale? are they treading lightly on the issue of stripping people's unions right? are they keeping their distance from the guy poised to become the first recalled governor in history and only the third governor recalled from office in american history? no. the republican candidates are not doing that. they are definitely not doing
that. rick santorum gives a special scott walker shout out every time he speaks aloud in wisconsin. >> i joined with another courageous governor we follow in wisconsin and that's scott walker's lead. stand up and fight for freedom. you did it with scott walker. you have to stand up and fight hard to make sure that governor walker is re-elected. >> when he says reelected, what he means is fight hard to make sure governor walker is recalled before he's allowed to finish his first term in office. it's not quite the same thing. mitt romney isn't about to let rick santorum walk out on that limb all by himself. mr. romney talking to wisconsin supporters in a town hall this week made sure to throw his support behind governor recall as well, calling mr. walker excellent. he called him an excellent governor. mitt romney is planning a trip this weekend to a don't recall scott walker campaign call center. rick santorum telling a
supporter he may try to do that this weekend, too. while that might sound like a fun time or a political necessity, think about what this means down the road. a brand new nbc marist poll out of wisconsin shows president obama beating mitt romney by 17 points in wisconsin. it shows the president beating rick santorum in wisconsin by 13 points. now, at this point in the campaign, rick santorum losing by less to president obama might be important to republicans deciding between these two guys in the primary. if the best case scenario for the republicans is losing the general election by 13 points, if that's the best case scenario, the big picture for republicans in the state looks bad. the reason scott walker is facing a historic recall election this year is not just because some of his political opponents don't like the cut of his jib. it's because tons of wisconsin voters are out raged by what
walker has done as governor. the recall forces need to collect more than half a million signatures in order to trigger the recall election. they turned in nearly twice that number. they turned in more than 930,000 signatures. after a lot of fussing about fact checking and due diligence, after the wisconsin republican party launched a special website where people could report recalled petition fraud, which they were sure existed, surely that many people don't want to get rid of scott walker. after much public consternation that the numbers couldn't possibly be real, there cannot possibly be more than 900,000 people in wisconsin that want to throw scott walker out of office. after all that it turned out that, yeah, more than 900,000 people do want to throw scott walker out of office. only about 3% of the signatures that they turned in were thrown out. only a handful of names were thrown out because they were fraudulent names which republicans promised there would
be a ton of. actually, it was less than a handful that were thrown out. a grand total of four signatures of the more than 930,000 were thrown out. one of the names thrown out as the fake name, one was the name, i love scott walker, thanks. that turned out not to be a real person. first they thought they had five fake names out of 900,000. they thought they had adolph hitler, donald duck, and i love scott walker, thanks. they thought they had five fake names. turned out they had fungky van den elzen was a real name. there were only four names. he got an apology from the election's board. we're sorry we thought you were fake. no matter who wins the republican primary in wisconsin on tuesday, that presidential
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the wall street journal posted a big investigating page one story yesterday morning by what appeals to be a tax deal set up by bain capital. basically, the story raises questions about whether bain capital came up with a way for its employees to benefit from them devaluing assets in order to avoid paying taxes on them. in this election year it raises
questions about whether mitt romney, the former head of bain capital, took advantage of said questionable tax practices. the obama campaign responded to the wall street journal's investigation by calling on mitt romney to release his tax returns dating back to the 1980s. he's released two years of tax returns. that's in contrast with his own father who released many more years of his taxes when he ran for president. the romney campaign said it's outraged by the obama campaign's latest request for mr. romney's taxes. here is how the romney campaign responded in particular. i think this is strange. this was their response to the obama campaign asking for mitt romney's tax returns. this is what the romney campaign said, ready? they said, quote, obama should release the notes and transcripts of all his meetings with world leaders so the american people can be satisfied he's not promising to sell out the country's interests after the election is over.
seriously? in what universe is the response to release your tax returns, the statement that the president should release all his notes and transcripts from all his meetings with world leaders. why would you think it would be a good idea for a president to do that? why do you think that would be good for the country? why would you bring that up? what's the connection? right. this is the new mitt romney campaign thing now. your mission is simple, mr. obama, win one last election to gain unchecked flexibility, weaken our defenses and fundamentally transform the world. dmetry will transmit the information. >> starring barack obama as president flexible. >> that's the new ad from karl rove's dark money group. it pairs with this new mitt romney op-ed in foreign policy magazine. he says, quote, in his dealings with the kremlin as in his dealings with the rest of the
world president obama has demonstrated breathetaking weakness. here is the reason why the republican vs these new talking points. the romney campaign is thinking this is their new thing. this is their new approach against president obama. economy thing maybe not working out so they are resetting the romney campaign as a foreign policy campaign. whether or not you are fan of president obama's approach to foreign policy, here is the hiccup for the romney campaign with this new approach. they can't just say, president obama is wrong on foreign policy. they have to also make it seem like mitt romney would be better and that's hard to do when you're mitt romney. >> i also think we have learned that our troops shouldn't go off and fight a war of independence for another nation. only the afghanis can win afghan end pen independence.
>> this is an afgani. this is an afghan. okay. money is afgani. afghan is person. it's not as bad as when rick santorum called the people of afghanistan, afghanistanis. >> mitt romney calling the afghan people as if you would call the american people dollars. it's not as bad as rick santorum, but it's not good. the words are very similar, come on. mitt romney is running for president. more than ten years in a war. in a country called afghanistan filled with people who are called the afghan people. pretend to care about that enough to get it right at a debate if you're running for president. or at least to correct it when you get it wrong, but mitt romney says it over and over again. whether or not he memorizes his flash cards well on this subject
or not, mr. romney has a larger problem in trying to run a foreign policy-based campaign. and the larger problem is he does not himself appear to have a foreign policy. here for for example was mr. romney last april arguing against troop withdrawals in afghanistan. >> we witnessed a weakening of our military and a decline of our standing in the world. president obama's troop withdrawals in iraq and afghanistan were quite apparently based upon electoral expediency, not military requirement. >> mitt romney against troop withdrawals in afghanistan and iraq. here he is for them in june. >> it's time to bring troops home as soon as we possibly can, consistent with the word that comes from our generals. mitt romney on a timetable for exiting the iraq war in 2007. >> do you believe there should be a timetable in withdrawing the troops?
>> there's no question but the president and prime minister maliki have to have a series of timetables and milestones that they speak about, but those shouldn't be for public pronouncement. >> they have to have a set of timetables. this is what he said in 2008. >> i do not support and have never support a time withdrawal. i've never talked about a timed withdrawal with a date certain for us to leave. that's not the case. simply wrong. >> actually, simply, totally correct. you have no idea what your own policy is, do you? when it comes to libya, whatever you think was the right thing to do in libya, trying to figure out what mitt romney has done has baffled anybody that has tried. abc news did some great reporting in october of last year because last march he said he supported military action and in april he fled down a hallway at the hotel in las vegas to avoid answering reporters questions about libya saying, i've got a lot of positions on a lot of topics but walking down
the hall isn't the best place to describe those. in april he accused the obama administration of mission creep and mission muddle. once it was successful, he said he was pleased with how it's gone. laid out step by step by abc, the response from the romney cam pain, remember the guy who said the etch a sketch thing? this is what he said about mr. romney on libya. he said mitt romney has responded to the situation in libya as it has developed going to it's the president who has been unclear regarding what his intention was with respect to our military's involvement in libya. whether or not you agree with president obama on foreign policy, and i think that most americans find his foreign policy largely uncontroversial, it's hard to imagine that mitt romney will portray himself as the guy that makes more sense on foreign policy. if this is the new romney campaign plan, this is awkward timing for them to relaunch their campaign around the idea of a mitt romney foreign policy
genius strategy. all this week the romney campaign has been making all lovey dovey with the paul ryan budget who mitt romney says he loves to support and wants to be next to as much as possible. mitt romney would like them to think mitt romney right there behind him. paul ryan's budget has a big foreign policy problem, which is he's just accused all of the top u.s. generals of lying to congress. >> why did the committee choose to go against the advice of the generals? >> we don't think the generals are giving us their true advice. we don't think the generals believe that their budget is really the right budget. >> you don't believe the generals? this is not an obama defense budget. we saw all of the combatant commanders and service chiefs say this is what we need. this would not be first time. this would not be odd for a defense budget to decline after conflicts. >> i agree. what i believe is that this budget does hollow out defense.
i believe it goes beyond where we ought to go to have a strong national defense to keep people safe. i think they are using budget gimmicks as well. i think there's a lot of budget smoke and mirrors in the pentagon's budget. which is not really a true, honest and accurate budget. >> it is not a true, honest and accurate budget. he said the generals did not give their true advice. we don't think the generals are giving us their true advice. we don't think they believe their budget is the right budget. here is the chairman of the chief of staff responded. he said, quote, there's a difference between having somebody say they don't believe what you said versus calling us collectively liars. my response is i stand by my testimony. this was very much a strategy-driven process to which we mapped out the budget. the romney campaign is obviously looking for a new way began to hitch their campaign to. t they are having problems with the old line, the economy is
bad, blame barack obama. mitt romney, trust me on foreign policy. i'm the guy to look to for foreign policy jeeps you, that's their new plan. give it a go. you never know. i think this is a bad idea for them. joining us now is david corns. author of the new book "somehowdown." david is also the author of the book "hewbris." was told the definitive story of how the last president sold the country a decade ago on why he thought it was great to invade iraq. thanks for being here. >> good to be here. >> i was talking about whether the george w. bush legacy hangs over the campaign in a positive or negative way. he said it would be great day when they get the endorsement. i think it already looks bad for romney that he has the george w. bush policy advisers. do you think the iraq war debacle and the presidency still resonates when people look at mitt romney?
>> i'm not sure people make the connection when they look at mitt romney. the more he talks as if he comes from the 1970s and 1980s when it comes to foreign policy, they will put the connection that he's looking backwards and not forward. i think you're right, he's a hard sell, but his foreign policy, whatever it may be, is better than barack obama's. he's been doing this for a good coupling of years and calls the president an apologizer and an appeaser, i don't think that just rings true. i don't think it hits the mark. in my book i tell the story of what the president did on egypt, libya, the bin ladin raid. i think again and again he came across maybe not every minute of those crisis, but at the end a guy dlib ative, decisive and got pretty good outcomes without a lot of expenses being paid by the u.s. if the romney campaign chooses to engage on that level, the president can start telling that story, people can read my book
if he wants, and he'll make a pretty good case that romney will have a hard time refuting with just this empty rhetoric that republicans always throw against democrats as being weak on national defense. >> do you see it that way? do you see it as a generic republican versus democrat template that they are trying to apply here whether or not it fits mitt romney or whether or not it fits barack obama. they are hoping people associate republicans in a positive way with foreign policy strength? they associate democrats with weakness even if it doesn't fit either of these two men very well? >> they're going back to playbook 101, which is call the other party weak. there's a new book called "drift," you talk about ronald reagan losing the first primaries in 1976 against gerald ford. then he came out and started talking tougher on national security and started saying things that weren't even necessarily true about the soviet military being bigger and having more money spent on it
than the u.s. military. and presto. all of a sudden he started whipping primaries, not enough to get the nomination in '76, but it helped him in 1980. i think they see the same old playbook that you get up and say things that may not be true, like the president wants to apologize or the president is an ateeser and say, i'm going to be stronger. what does mitt romney have to do to show that? really nothing except make the charge. >> is it going to hurt mitt romney to have taken a stance for withdrawing the troops photograph afghanistan and taking a stand against the withdrawing of troops in afghanistan and for and against iraq and taking a position in libya before it was happening and after. his inability to be identified with any particular foreign policy position, does that make it a harder place for him to throw these punches from? >> you mean to be a flip-flopper? let me think about that one for a moment. i think if he tries to engage that level of detail, he can be
blown out of the water because he doesn't have a strong position. he has been back and forth. i can just see if it rises to the level of the presidential debate, the president being out there and able to say, hey, what happened in libya, my friend? you said this. you said that. i got the rest of the world to join together. to get gadhafi out of office. it didn't cost us a single troor, troop, it didn't cost us a lot of money, either. i was leading from behind the scenes in a collective manner that worked much better than anything that happened during the bush years. you remember the bush years. those people that were advising you from the bush years. i think again and again obama will have a very compelling argument on the details. the only question is if he's going to engage on this if it will become an issue during the campaign. >> david, in your book, "showdown," you said the name of my book, i'll say the name of yours. you go into fair trade.
the length of time the president spent on them and the foresight he had about them and the way he decided to position the united states, against the arab spring, not as a whole but what was specifically based on what was going on in each country. do you get the sense the white house think they have an election year narrative to tell about the arab spring given the fact it's still ongoing and still unsettled in so many places that americans worry about? >> what's great about doing this book is going after the fact and look at episodes that you and i were debating and in that time period images were being or impressions were being established for the president. i think on egypt was on his back for differing because he department call from a bare bar
rack to leave right away. he was both nudging his own government which a lot of people had an interest in preserving the status quo and speak to the aspirations of the people in the streets of egypt and elsewhere that were looking and nine months prior to that he had already talked to people within his administration about looking forward to the changes in the arab world. i think once he gets out to tell his story, it will be very come peopling. i think mitt romney will have a difficult case to make against the president. >> david corn. the new book is in stores now. thanks for your time. nice too be with you on a friday night. appreciate it. >> thank you, rachel. >> we'll be right back. paperless discount. paid-in-full discount. [yawning] homeowner's discount. safe driver discount. chipmunk family reunion. someone stole the nuts. squirrel jail. justice! countless discounts. now that's progressive. call or click today.
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