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i mean did hope to see a big difference couple of years from now but i think some would argue that one of the reasons why people are so skeptical about this whole european integration people in ireland i mean it was because of them having incur all that private banking doubt upon themselves and. i wonder whether you think that aren't would have been pressured and obligated to. all that banking if it wasn't a member of the e.u. citizen number of assumptions in your question that i would challenge i think they're wrong the first assumption is that there is a majority of people skeptic skeptical in the number of hands as it is certainly increased from the last saying it has increased thousand priests but that's very different from saying are inferring that the majority of people are against our scandalous average earthing no this is not just isn't it's growing we were able to as an inference in your introduction as well on your question the. a majority of people are against the level of integration of where we stand in our relationship
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with europe at the moment. that's not to say that the russian now oh for why people are accepting that integration is the same that house changed over time we joined the european union as a country whose level of income was below the european average despite everything that's happened we're now at least in line with and ahead of us in some cases in terms of your specific question regarding banking desmet that's a very very controversial question in our politics let alone european politics. but i think there's a number of facts that we have to lay alongside us the first one is the. irish decision to put in place a banking guarantee that happened at a time of a global orthodoxy regarding failing banks needed to be supported. so to see all. incurring bank purely as
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a result of our relationship our membership of the european union is an analysis that i would i would challenge absolutely the you mentioned these prevailing are for the exits and i think one country that was sort of subjected to the same sort of pressure was iceland which was a time also on track of joining the e.u. it had massive crisis similar crisis to yours but the icelandic officials decided to defy that pressure and obviously they were also you know sometimes threatened sometimes told that nobody would ever deal with iceland again but here they decided to decline bailing out banks and nowadays if you look around their economies back on track it's growing they're getting those loans easily unemployment this falling i mean i think it's ultimately a different country to emerge from from this crisis do you think the. irish people
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have the right to feel cheated because better than they were they were told that there was no other way out of this crisis but obviously there was a way a shorter way and probably last demanding way to completely different economies. is not a member of a single currency zone we are so because of all of dollars we benefit greatly from . going to european union fabiano but it's completely different i mean if you look at the icelandic economy and if you look at the irish economy we have a very very large stock of foreign direct investment. irish investment across a huge spread of industries. we can deliver here in our land because we are members of the single currency zone so you would lose all of that if you decided no to no longer i didn't say that's what i did start our membership of the single currency zone. given certainty of exchange rate data has allowed us to develop an
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export performance that is how to sustain and develop our economy that's a fundamental difference for the city i mean are you me in many countries in europe get those same advantages without first being members of the like the european union well for example norway or iceland for example but iceland doesn't have that strong though iceland is not of the level of state tax for performance that we do but if you look at the difficulty of the icelandic banking system has went true if you look at the fact that they are a currency that allowed them to revalue of state saw fit. their fundamental differences between a our country and there are some of them now that i don't claim that they are the same can i take it from your answer though that if your government wasn't placed back down that he would have made the same decision knowing that he would have transcended all that you can take when you get to a situation where
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a country is on able to fund its public services. and a country is unable to fund its banking system it doesn't have any good choices left. to attribute to us a some may do to our membership of the european union is something that i would fundamentally reject. while on the contrary it's going to have different relationships with the euro were the european union as you correctly say. the forces of allowed to get to where we are much of both parties to forces are behind the union now in terms of your particular question regarding what our government would do it would have gone i mean it's impossible as you know to look back and say walk would you have done differently with the benefit of hindsight one of the you want to do this and that decision though now and even to despite the fact that it was taken by a different government when did i defend this decision no you just said that you had no. better choices than i've put it out to you that you actually had to know in
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the end it was similar to the one that iceland took and i had a chance to interview the president of iceland just last month and he was indeed speaking about this prevailing european orthodoxy almost intimidation by the european officials that you absolutely have to accept all that private data and put it on to your people and they defied that that choice unfortunately you went along that proposal and i think it's going to take your country when you see it it's to recover from that and you've got to inferences and all dot dot are fundamentally wrong the first inference that you've got is the. pressure that you're talking about it that orthodoxy with the european in origin what you're doing with your association of global economic orthodoxy of our time you know you know these are insults ethan's don't know what is abuse by it in here is a link to this it's the european origin if you look at what was happening in
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america at the time and if you look at the aftermath of what happened to it in lehman brothers you had central banks all over the world that made the decision to say they wouldn't a bank fail to say that is a european decision is simply wrong if you look at the challenges that we had across the time period where we how they put you treat deficit but nope that we could not found ourselves what i simply said is tough when a country gets to the point it doesn't good choices open source and if you look at the decisions that loads of countries have made i mean you can as i said from the start you simply cannot compare iceland in ireland but in the course the real thing would be it's in a few years time for both economy stand and i hope what you will see happen is that the forces of growth that are beginning to develop in qana me that they are going to excel or. in the coming years and i believe that our membership and
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participation in the european union has been a very strong force and that it ought to happen now in order to achieve that growth that you're just alluding to some economists say that our land needs to go at least by three to four percent annually to get out of this that crisis. you'll need. bright well educated workforce but on the other hand you know our land is probably the country that faces the highest ration in here i read somewhere that every six minutes one irish person leaves his country and there's been a number of status recently that show that it's not just the number the sheer number of people living but biquad of the human capital to put it crudely because people who are living tend to have higher education they're more likely to have college degrees can you really achieve that growth when so many of your best and brightest
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are leaving the country yes and the reason for that is that we have been true to before unfortunately. we went through an experience like this in the one nine hundred eighty eighth and the one nine hundred seventy s. i left ireland myself for six years to go and work abroad. precisely because i wanted to go off to opportunities that were not available in the dock point what then happened as we have done before in our history is we created an economy and society that encourage people to come back again of course you correctly acknowledge the fact that we have. immigration rates true our entire history but also during this part of the crisis do the part of god of course the start we have one of the highest birth rates within europe and you would probably know one of the long term drivers of economic success is the ability of a country to be above its for placement ratio notice where he says he's there and he's here is. as people begin to grow now i mean you have to wait twenty years to
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allow that new generation to grow up i mean the richer you growth now intraday or generation has grown up i mean if you look at the year leaving they're doing well so i am sorry not all of them are leaving that's wrong. you only are a thousand people left since two thousand and eight that's the highest level since i believe the. previous crisis of course but alongside the us. economy now has one of the highest levels of private sector job creation of any country within europe and we also have a large number of people abroad that are interested to come back home to ireland to see how they can accelerate that level of job creation and our level of kompany and technological creation but why does unemployment down. fall saw slowly i mean as far as i understand it only. down by less than one percent if you say that there is
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such a fast speed of creating jobs in the private sector if indeed but i think that's an amazingly. one side to interpretation to take of what's happened in ireland across the knuckles last two years because of course you're right to say the level of unemployment has come slowly to many economists are now saying down in our in and what we have achieved over the last year if we have achieved growth of this job creation as opposed to the other way around which is what normally happens. we're now seeing our economy generate jobs at around three thousand new jobs per month after going to many years of losing them by eight thousand jobs per month mr donohue we have to take a short break now but when we come back ireland has unique experience and many of the issues troubling the world today but why is it often reluctant to stake a stand well that they'll be and just
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the country's minister for european affairs. mr donohue we were talking about that i'm a gratian in our land. as you said it's a very pressing issue but europe as a whole has to deal with. broader much larger issue of incoming immigration i'm talking about refugees from africa and the middle east some of that related to the conflict in syria and in libya and i think ireland has a very unique position here because on the one hand for decades you've been receiving country and now you are once again their country of immigrants how do you think this issue should be dealt with in a broader european context that's a hugely difficult and sensitive issue the three elements to how we believe the should be handled better in the future the first one is that we have to do all we can to make sure that people are not in
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a position to have to leave their country and region because of the terrible violence and state that's occurring there and europe the role to play there secondly we need to ensure that if they are travelling across the seeds as many of them have been done more be drawn to ensure that as people get into terrible difficulty that they can be dealt with safely and the third element and it's of that i do if they do go to europe and if they are legally allowed to stay and encouraged to stay we have to find a way of ensuring that this is dealt with ferdi across all of europe now in the beginning of your answer you said that people shouldn't be forced to leave their countries because of all the conflicts and i think so for they argued that. the european union itself may have helped or aided through its policies some of these conflicts. how would they argue well let me explain that for example the conflict in libya or the conflict in syria where some of the european countries sided with
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the. opposition against the sovereign government but my question is a bit different i know that your country in particular has a unique experience first with the. sectarian strife and done with conflict resolution you are more knowledgeable on that they share than any other kind of country in europe but for some reason when it came to your both libya and syria are led to a back seat you. essentially gave the initiative to your france and the united kingdom why is arlen so passive on those issues of war and peace especially given your unique experience. your question base based on two premises start are wrong again the first of premises that the european union was involved in the policy decisions that led to some of the countries further but it's
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a different story there's a difference between european countries and the european union did european countries have decided not to give compton seat to european union regarding where they put their arm use for this debate on the it is a very or if. only you see you can't blame the european union for using power for not using power if that doesn't tough i mean you're correct to say that member members of the european union talk different stances in relations to reach as i am asking with iowa's has never voiced either luciferian or at least will guarantee its expertise ensure yes but. that's wrong though ireland is a neutral country precisely because of our history we've decided dot. we believe it's the right thing for our country to adopt a neutral starts in conflicts that take place throughout the world but the neutral
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stance is not the same thing as a passive starts so if you look for example what we have to on in relation to the middle east in relation to syria. i point to three things the law and host on true its foreign policy the first. we have to ploy our armed forces in a neutral capacity in the golan heights to try and look after and protect people who would otherwise be vulnerable to the conflict that you destroyed. the second want to think that we have to start we have made contributions to the organizations that are involved in the hopeful decommissioning of chemical weapons within syria in the financial contributions to us and then the third thing is precisely because of the historical heritage that you are quickly identified regarding what we hopped into was what happened in the north of ireland what's happened within our own country we believe the best response to the kind of
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difficulty you're talking about is a political response i think that the if the history of your country shows that you can only achieve a political solution when you recognize the legitimacy of both sides the problem is that the european stance is of course that from the very beginning some of the of your european neighbors and your european partners declare it one of the sides to that conflict illegitimate and some would argue that the main reason why we haven't been able to achieve a political solution at this point but again be clear to this is the stance of european member states individually making their mind up as opposed to a a european a collective european union response and this need not be blaming the european union for the exercise of power as it does not one of your favorite phrases is the voluntary sharing of sovereignty on for size a common european values our four size common european approaches so it seems to me
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that whenever it is convenient for your course you would stress the commonality but whenever it is it may not fit your narrative few strands the individual is a man of their rights and. of course. that's the first part of the concept which is voluntarily sharing this what you decide is data on the different elements of your national sovereignty what you would do with to the contrary it's when you believe it's in the south it's in the interest of your own country when it comes to where your armed forces go and when it comes to the exercise of your foreign policy in a very sensitive matter that's what islands has decided as i think is the case for most of the member states that we believe that's an area of national competence and it's precisely because of the heritage of history and history that we have of dialogue and political settlement that we have said we believe that's the right
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option to be taken within the regions that you're discussing just recently irish prime minister said that to make our land the first country to exit the european bailout program as far as i understand one of the crucial elements of this successful absent strategy is breaking obese link between public and private debt and. i know that the european security mechanism was created at least partially for that very purpose to deal with the banks and to you know allow the taxpayers to be a concern to the public debt now we're heard recently both from the. officials and from the some officials that they don't want to deal with the banks that if the . task that is going to take place over the next year reveals that the capitalization of the irish banks is good enough you know it should be left to the
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irish taxpayers to deal with that again even though they've been promised time and time again that they shouldn't be carrying the burden any longer. don't you think that these two concepts at all it's a video concept of volunteering sharing of sovereignty because first it's not voluntary irish people no longer want to continue caring for the for the banks and first second of all there is no sharing and when it comes to relying on some european structures to relieve that pain europeans now say that you know ira should deal with those problems simply because those were irish europeans are not really there i mean that's a diversity of view in relation to this. those opinions are being voiced context for us but that was not me the europeans are saying that and that's the decision of the european union i mean there are two different things if you looked over in relation to her negotiations stand on the banking union european council said that
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the european stability mechanism should be able to play a role in the directory copula sation of banking systems now all. you have to acknowledge that there is an awful lot of debate taking place regarding the link should be broken and how tightening should be broken members of political elite here in. and some members of the public i think they would argue that you didn't have to encourage that that in the first place and my question to you is whether you are confident that the irish taxpayers won't be asked to carry that burden as law in the question to me we can acknowledge the value judgment that's been made in relation to this that history will be able to tell if it's correct because what we can do is correctly acknowledge that the irish taxpayer paid far too high a cost for supporting the banking system now in relation to your question regarding
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the future what we hope is that what we want and we will press for is for the e. been an option for our country in dealing with this left this banking death but what i would have to say is we want this to be one of a number of options that we want to open to our government on the tax payers in the future can i just clarify you mentioned b. if sam has a mechanism yes so if for some reason the sound decides not to deal with the irish banks i confident that the irish taxpayers won't be asked again how with recapitalization of the banks we need to bring these conclusions to an end in the first place. but if you look at what is happening there at the moment if you look at the arrangement starter already in place for example requiring bond holders to be bailed in to support the cost of a national banking system. i can't i'm certain that in the future the cost to any
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tox payer is going to be lower than it has been in the past so there's no believe there is yes and no no because i mean not everybody is over difference the point is coming to tell us i think people want to know when it's snowing some up i'm sure are going of course with the research. center of course the reason for that is that we're involved in a negotiation at the moment and you of all asked me to comment on something that could happen. for them that the irish people won't be asked again to step in and pick up the bail will be here for the private banks what respect i never said that's what i was i'm saying it's not in the context of a fully functioning banking union that we want to see open running next year which will be a european banking union if god is in place the cost to national taxpayers regardless of whether they're irish on os should be far smaller than it has been in the past and dots why we are pursuing this fine can you can but you know what i'm conscious of all of this that at the end of any crisis that ever happens for the be bunking
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our economic again what always happens is the regulators central bankers politicians they say this will never ever happen again and it keeps on happening but what we have to ensure is that if this to happen again it doesn't how is such a consequence make an awful cost for taxpayers mr donohue thank you very much for you very much and if you like the show please join us again same place same time here on the well the pike. they look like bounty islands where the locals can enjoy the sun and the ocean. but
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