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dropped that families are going to continue to hope for justice for the ones that they lost in the iraq war. thanks thing with a an all to international event with the very latest news headlines sound lots of details to back them up but it's up there. at the end. there when the father who it. was. the end of the in the in.
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the economic development is all about numbers really pleased to report this quarter we earned one hundred six morning. but what do we know about the other figures. when i think about the fact that our c.e.o. mike du made over a twenty million dollars last year more than one thousand times the average wal-mart a says c.n.n. with all due respect i have to say i don't think that's right. it is not just you know a free market would. people went from pretty simple financial lives pre nine hundred eighty to the point now where people are. just totally submerged in their financial accounts and they're all in debt and what exactly devoid society from the part of the government tried to do that nicely maybe. it might be making things
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worse. doesn't work this is. hopelessly disastrously wrong. hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle i suppose it's time to speak the obvious cold war two point zero is officially on this cold war is different and possibly far more dangerous these are uncharted waters as the trump white house attempts to find its footing.
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across talking sanctions for sanctions i'm joined by my guest here in moscow mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have and he is the president of the american university in moscow and we have blood amir goldstein he is an associate professor of slavic studies at brown university right gentlemen cross-talk rules in effect that means he can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ed let me go to you first you're the greatest booster for u.s. russia relations that i've ever met in my life and you continue to do it now we have sanctions for sanctions we have once president signs that once when we all assume that he will he is essentially handcuffed himself when it comes to relations with russia under these sanction bill he has to go to congressional committees to move forward his agenda in russia with it which seems extremely unlikely where are we and are we in
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a cold war two point zero. process. so i know you're really well known for in other words reduce the terms are right you know it's time to give the bankers one saw i get mine. so you're positive signals first of all i want to you want to avoid of course it's military confrontation and people are us we russians are talking syria. pretty positive is us stop this crazy cruise maybe the dangers or even criminal support for so-called moderate rebels because we know once your view for reference to moderate some powers is so certain somehow end up and so it's not so moderate and you know i mean cynics would say that was in part of the plan it was intentional and they are literally allied. with al qaeda who are that is there's no question about it now it's all of our at least i mean what i said last week you
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mean the u.s. the u.s. still has a really meaningful middle military footprint in syria just because the cia operation were officially told i don't ever believe anything official or unofficial in terms of cia and its very nature let me let me go to you let me let me read something that secretary of state taylor's and said about these things she has here the near unanimous votes for the sanctions legislation in congress represent the strong will of the american people really do see russia take steps to improve relations with the united states it's a very strange sentence i will continue with in the secretary of state we hope that there will be cooperation between our two countries on major global issues and these sanctions will no longer be necessary i have no idea what he's trying to say here well i think he's trying to be diplomatic here basically says don't pay a big despise the sanctions where we're going to to all you know that's not a big deal but you know i suspect that both. are kind of
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scandalized by by this you know maybe. gross and then we do over there you know saying that the fact that you know this they decided moralists to restrict the power of only a well i mean you know how unanimous is that of the american people i take issue with it what i wouldn't take issue is there's a unanimous view in the liberal mainstream media and the political classes of both major parties that seems clear to me mark it's very interesting that there's no sense of causality here russia is reaction to sanctions that the us put on russia and we had seven months. there where the russian side looked at the us would have a change of position it didn't it lost patience and under diplomatic rules russia was supposed to retaliate if we have to keep rounds of sanctions in getting water here because this this latest round of russian counter sanctions is a response to obama's last sanctions on his way out the door in order to try to and
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that tie the hands of the trump regime when it comes to cooperating or detente with russia now when these new sanctions imposed by congress over donald trump's heads russia will have an entirely new and different reaction to that which will not be small but you kind of scoop my own notes out and it's a ridiculous statement out of such dichotomies and tautologies coming out of someone's mouth i don't think anyone's heard it since maybe torquemada was sitting next to the people he was torturing as he turns the screws i'm only doing this to improve our relations but. remember you know. i'm a pretty damn. border policing server now we have sanctions it's a positive thing so it's for it's a very big gentleman and what i think is interesting the big. there's always the
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lack of trying to understand the us. during the cold war there was that effort to put yourself in the other guy shoes this is not happening right now the fact of the matter is vladimir that russia will blow all. of these sanctions like they did once before and react accordingly this perception in the west that russia is i fully isolated is nonsense it is not isolated it is looking it will looked for new places for new people and new relationships and that's how international relations work i think. i would spend some time with it because basically the sanctions we view them . but. try. to those kind of scandalized by that they basically say that we have as good as we're going to tell the president of the united states what to do in terms of foreign policy and this is going to outrageous so he's trying to sort of square this circle he's tried to say we're still we will be in charge we're still want to talk to you so he said saying he's basically
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saying it's not our decision but we have to go along with. it and this is. a great degree that the mystic quote of the that is exactly you know the interesting thing is again this we try to step back here on this program. russia meddled in the american election russia hacked the american election there are investigations going on now we have the public hasn't been given any kind of proof but the u.s. government in congress has already made its drawn its conclusions when we have no conclusions whatsoever i mean that this is the folly of all of this here you again act before you know what the what the facts are on the ground and they're not interested in facts because none of them have really been produced the socks out from under my bed. but the bottom line is all of these accusations there is no evidence presented there can't even be any evidence because neither the f.b.i.
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the n.s.a. the cia the op. the office of the director of national intelligence no one actually looked at the purported scene of the crime that democratic national committee servers where emails were supposedly hacked by russia wiki leaks says they got them from a whistleblower and then these emails exposed to the d.n.c. and the hillary can come main colluded to rig their own primary to have hillary clinton elected and that is what this is all about and since the scene of the crime was never investigated there can't possibly be any evidence but i think a lot of mayor is absolutely right that this is the russian government even referred to it said that this is an internal domestic strife in the united states was that donald trump is an effective captive in the white house and the way the foreign policy has outraged admitted in the headlines what we've been talking about
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on the show for months the war over who controls us foreign policy has begun and that's elizabeth rosenberg you know what's interesting and you know you you have you live in the swamp if i can say that but what's really interesting to me is that like weapons of mass destruction in iraq is that even people that question the. the media approach the message of the russian conspiracy it's people have already absorbed it that russia did something against the united states and it was meaningful and it needs to be you need a reaction to it and then in a sense the mainstream media even though they trip over themselves they make all kinds of mistakes they have to make retractions they say idiotic things but they have succeeded in their message it's really quite remarkable. you for your. approval rating for congress. it's now around twenty percent so it shows i
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think it's another positive. the bloody rich twenty four and thirty percent approval rating. over foreign policy which according to consider. the president and i don't know maybe some limit is considerably lower should see if this is kind of the evolution of us constitutional you know able to not supreme court considering the way the president has to. be behaved be his attorney general i mean you would have he would have found an ally like jeff sessions when able to say something like that and then talk about that later in the program here but when we go from here i mean you know you're a person that was born in the soviet union moved to the united states and you know who would have thought you know you were probably a dissident here and. there how does that happen it's always said you know. i recognize the pattern of decline which united states goes and i think they don't
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want to face it they don't let it come anigh is it that's why they create an escape so it's much better to watch it is an easy day to be easy and kind of traditional it falls into the you know the reason they're very interesting article by a great scholar. allude to a quote says that basically if you look at united states you know more the hope of religion can't afford a new car. defined by cars so yes it was obvious to everyone that they would not go to support such a school candidus they wouldn't go for it or maybe for bored me but you know i think by to establishment republican party they don't recognize so that i see is them a stick issue they're trying to divert it to ensure they try to blame russia russia of course you have to walk kind of our lives so that was as they have probed have to realize that you know this is american domestic policy to pursue our own interests ok let me go to mark in thirty seconds here mark i mean we are this is going and do you agree with cold war two point zero. well let me just say that i've
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kind of reversed the vladimir's i'm a dissident from the us. so we immigrated to russia so i know and on the other hand i. knew a g. surgeon we were going to be in a quote cold war since probably since august of two thousand and eight possibly as early as as back as two thousand and three two thousand and five with the color revolutions that failed in ukraine and georgia but i prefer to think of it not as an ideological struggle left. to democracy capitalism but as a great power conflict hold only that our thoughts were going to go to a short break and after a short break we'll continue our discussion on new sanctions stay with r.t. .
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what politicians do something. they put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to express an issue. or some want to be preached. to going to be approached this is what the three of the people. i'm interested always in the why. should. there not lines up if you know some muslims off let down what might have been a time that the senate doesn't allow any. one seeking i mean south. taking the equal city.
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to get it done and then yes i do but. i really think i'm. glad i'm glad i didn't you know well yeah. this just the same if i mean i love this guy you know. this one tokyo fan did he was going to go. to like. his work was because did a piece of dancing cattle culture if you pulled the grammys.
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welcome back to cross talk or all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the new sanctions. ok mark let me go back to you and we opened up a can of worms is this cold war two point zero and i think it is and you were nuancing it go ahead yeah i think it's more of a great power conflict if we take a look at it from a realist international relations theory paradigm because while all of this is going on we have to remember that these sanctions target not only russia countering america's adversaries through sanctions act russia iran north korea it actually sanction syria again as well it also sanctions the european union you have to actively this is affected what effectively this is what it does in the sanctions and so there's multiple players in this while all this is going on the u.s. this week twice fired on the radio and ships in the gulf of mexico that was not the
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gulf of mexico that was the persian gulf from here so here all persia. or playing games of chicken with the chinese in the south china sea were firing ballistic missiles. tat with north korea were playing these games in syria were a betting another. revolution attempt in venezuela this is this is global great power conflict and it's the us it was ideological russia and the rest of the countries in the world that would fold them for not having an ideology i think that weakens them but they rely more on culture and civilization then this is the liberal ideology of the us versus the rebuilding it's old it's a liberal i know it is very aggressive you are not going to be waiting on that because you know you left the soviet union when it was a very ideological place what it would have now of course had there with the collapse of the soviet union in use ideology came into being the united states the exceptional country you know little control of the wall. albright said
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higher than they were and we can simply ignore it or we can shoot it in a while one so there's you know a little approach but it was a very short person you by the way i think it was we see this being it's crumbling it's crumbling but we have this new point is. on the blog from china to russia then i'll take it any more and united states rather than sort of change in trying to recognise sort of the all that is that there is. you know what it should be if things go low and they persist and i think that's that's the ideology you know and you know you've watched this this bilateral relationship very closely one of the things that i find very interesting is that you have. political leaders in the united states and particularly the liberal media uninformed liberal media very bombastic statements about russia and particularly in. president vladimir putin but you don't see the only other on the other side you don't see that kind of bomb but basically from what i get and i'm paraphrasing here the russian foreign ministry
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they're waiting for the americans to come to their senses. but i mean for you know a rival in an adversary russia's rhetoric is a quite mild in comparison to the american hero it's i mean it's pretty sad because for the first media who are goes over it's kind of. you know of. no integrity and all of that now i think if you can see it. that the u.s. media mainstream lost its virginity if i can say it and. now russian media is kind of belatedly i think mark would get the. russian media of course it's not solved but we were talking about peter's every russian leader whether it's pushing or. any of this quote for us that you're the tough talk so you know some talk through this but they always say yes but the open open
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for cooperate we understand the world challenges on the u.s. and our share of work together because here's this from us media or us politicians you only hear is from the russian side that's why i think russia is now this kind of advanced position that is going to be more. sympathetic to you should be to you going to american people the problem is the mainstream media they will never get that message that's that's the problem the filter of the day and they do and they demand well thank you and they demand to be the filter ok i mean they are the. protectors of this ideology to make sure that the american people only hear one message here that should be used what more are fighting it all for us let's let's take a look at what the u.s. media is framing this ideological debate they're trying to say that trump in russia represents some kind of cobol conspiracy and international ideological
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movement that is reactionary against what against liberalism against a liberal who jim. any and this is the political frame of reference for everything that the western mainstream media which is overwhelmingly liberal and the foreign policy commentary at the blog looks at it we no longer have conservatism we no longer have left these have been really framed and reworded as. liberalism and the author terry in his i'm right and this is an attempt to d. legitimize anything and everything in the political sphere except for a liberal it sounds very very soviet to me and i mean and how would we have a counter reaction to it i mean in the last few weeks on fluxes primary week they show now with tucker carlson we have seen him going back and forth with interviews with max blumenthal a lefty gal bird a marine corps vet and congressman woman from hawaii who is it was
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a staunch left democrat with glenn greenwald who is basically going so in a few months ago and this is where this technocratic liberal center has forced conservative voices on one side and left the voices on the other they're having to reach around and suddenly we have more in common than we thought we did particularly on issues of foreign policy and military intervention in the that's a very interesting one and i think you're absolutely right but these people are a lot of the people that mark just mentioned are very prominent well known widely respected but they become demonized as well for changing their position that is really quite remarkable when i think of the names that mark just mentioned there these people earned their good name for a reason and now they're being torn down there where this is. just so i would i would go back to the nuts where they came up with this kind of you know to to to scapegoat they came up with this sort of. judeo bush who's on the one had taken
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a group of people who do it and they have. it was somehow they moved what they don't like now this or they don't work. so they try to merge it it's like to democratize it they try to make it through the wall say to me it is despicable i say how do you know that if a record of modern liberalism is intolerance absolutely. i think they walked. the walk on do they have just the demise which is i had but but i know that it's a whole wall there's a big wall there india china they're not buying this stuff anymore europeans are buying that's not anymore so i think it's pretty rare for local consumption or for local media which i think of the you know he was speaking earlier about syria and there's a lot of international issues that major countries like the united states and russia. could work together on with this sanction new sanction bill here and this
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very odd statement that i read from secretary tillerson this is a rhetorical but at the end of the day do you think that they're going to get down and work together on issues of common concern this is just you know this is just for show it shows because we were talking before the program is that you know something must be done so it has been done now we have to move on well if i'm trying to be optimistic mark i go down to the edge. if i read. through all those papers lately it's very saying to mony a signal i can't believe the sanctimonious language and it's not illegal language it's sanctimonious is the way i see it's kind of authorized to use those things implement a so it's not like there are demands. already adopted so it's up to trump to make a decision because there are not i think this is another positive you see we find
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some positive signals so but it's hard to tell. and we're going to end this unlike the europeans the europeans that it's a smart way when it comes to sanctions they they agreed to continue the medicine is six more a six month interval in the u.s. case you have to have a vote in congress which i think will never ever happen i'm ok take you're ok tax and exactly but and what we could see here mark is that if particularly the germans and the austrians if they see that their energy security is threatened by these sanctions and coming out of washington the didn't take in into regard their interest here we could see the europeans not only refuse but we tally eight we're going to see it first. because the europeans will go all the way. and will i mean there were no i mean a no no not with energy security they're not going to just give up and buy very expensive l.n.g. from the united states no no no they're not going to do that so far are we going to hear anything. on the on the sort of things going anti american sanctions so far we
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don't hear what the exactly they have you know we haven't heard any specifics but we have heard so words come out of younker the president of the european commission joint statements out of the the german and austrian chancellor's office they're all they're all concerned about their energy security because this bill because the u.s. and russia don't do a whole lot of business with each other this is a massive bill it sanctions mining energy banks defense intelligence shipping but russia and the u.s. don't do a lot of trade together so it's going to do what they you know pretty is target other countries and their business with russia and this is why europe depends for russia on over thirty percent of their energy supply and that's growing so this the house foreign affairs committee official statement on this ten reasons you should support this bill is it helps bolster europe's energy security and if it does it does it and i'm sure just the opposite again improves cooperation with our allies
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russian influence in europe the european. wyler screaming that you're infringing on our interns security you're trying to tell us what is in our own. mind only has been doing this to russia first so that is why you know again it's not it's not presented honestly in western media that is why there and dish and all pipelines to germany directly from russia because the country that is the biggest risk to european energy security is ukraine on t.v. the last twenty seconds you have to sort of realize this didn't sink in the you know when they had this cool you know victoria knew it was their people so that's what you will think she was there say screw the e.u. this be you its continuation over and over but they still think the us has the interest in mind it should sink in well this is what happens when you when you go down the postmodernists road and you give up your sovereignty when you're in
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trouble you don't have any recourse gentlemen we've run out of time many thanks to my guests here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember crosstalk. make it as we describe it he's the thief a feed a. mule this same you are a thief so you can be of the same. company he's just not there then just to get you ready but they feed the baby that's it's the big thing about the meter. you can see the border from here was a. steel fence secured on this side there's always. like
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coming up. an artsy or tensions heat up between the u.s. and russia as russian president putin orders u.s. ambassadors to kind of the country in response distinctions or heading toward a second cold war is to question. and western nations are criticizing china saying it needs to take more responsibility for north korea that china has a different story. and then a mixed feelings in the u.k. after a high court failed to prosecute former prime minister tony blair over the iraq war and bring you the story from london.

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