tv Cross Talk RT November 22, 2017 5:30pm-5:54pm EST
so shouldn't both. like saudi arabia claim it's making reforms considering its talk recy religious to talk or see and it's reaching out to the west saying it's reforming and it wants to reorder the middle east i mean. that's destabilizing in itself because we don't know what the outcomes are at home and we certainly know what the outcomes are abroad ok go ahead in beirut. the saudis are in a very precarious situation i mean you know if you're going to take an aggressive stance in your neighborhood or at home one of the things you have to do is make sure you have cover so if you're going to move forward with an aggressive foreign policy you have to make sure you have stability and cohesion and at home. mohamed bin some on the crown prince or we often call him m.b.'s is in a dangerous position for himself because at home he's he's taken on the purging of the religious establishment and the royal family and even the business of stablish
meant at the same time as he has rockets and mortars coming in from yemen a war that he initiated. and neighboring states and many conflicts around him in the region most of which saudi arabia has had a hand in so you're right to criticize hezbollah for enter ference and arab affairs is a mockery because there is no country more aggressively pursuing interventions in regional states and neighboring states than saudi arabia and we should point to the arab league meeting on sunday which was to do for. sure yeah but at the same time hezbollah as a political party and has been elected by the people of lebanon i think that it's an important distinction as well it is and it's not for. it's not only that that's
not for the sat if you're going over to me you know how about me show that i go ok i have to let me let me i had to focus i had a feeling this was going to have a political one let me let you know it means let me bring in professor marandi so we'll all go to the mics ok i would had a question but i think you've heard enough professor marandi to answer what you've heard already on the program go ahead please well hezbollah is a part of the government and the government recognizes. the has it will our armed wing in lebanon and it is universally recognized that the only thing that the turks another israeli attack on lebanon is hezbollah and if people look back the reason why hezbollah was created in the first place was the the are israeli regime population of lebanon it's attack on the country and effectively they expelled israelis. so hezbollah's very popular in fact it's the
most popular party in lebanon it actually gives its seats in the cabinet and in parliament to its own allies it only keeps a minimal number of seats just to be sure that they're in the debate. and to compare saudi arabia to hezbollah is really extraordinary we just recently heard and i think all your viewers should watch the interview of the former prime minister of qatar when he spoke on i thirty t.v. not on here but on t.v. and he explained that at the very beginning of the situation in syria. he went to saudi arabia and they began plotting against the syrian government and of course we also have other documents like the defense intelligence agency document of two thousand and twelve and so on that shows that saudi arabia from the very beginning with the exporting terrorism to syria and the battery prime minister also
acknowledged that the nostra front was being funded and that back then the national front was actually part of isis because isis back then was i.s.i. their slimy state of iraq they created the most from a struggle for syria and then again when we look at when we look at yemen this saudi regime is creating a start it's creating starvation i don't maskil unprecedented in human history seventeen people feel that my country is was somehow saudi arabia and they are only as a in somehow causing a lawyer for bashar assad and we shouldn't we should be should not do that it is it is not in no interest yes i agree that the warden yemen is causing such suffering but. the whole she should not be allowed to the only woman because they are not democratic. but ascribing to a bold shooting formula for yemen so somehow saw the. what they had any as of supporting what hezbollah is supporting the i'm not supporting ships or
sixty of them although i doubt that it's a little kind of rich having saudi arabia supporting terrorist groups in sin side of saudi inside of syria i mean i i have a hard time good if i have a high excuse. but i have a hard time anyone from saudi arabia talking about democracy anywhere in the world let me go to sharmeen in beirut here i mean again you know this these reforms. you need to have we have to have equal time for everyone but you know you know saudi arabia looks like it wants to be the hedge amman in the entire arab world i'm afraid that's a long time ago the number of missteps that they've gone through and they were in recent years have pretty much precluded that i mean the survival of the royal family should be the primary concern because without the royal family there is no saudi arabia ok i think you know they should get their priorities straight go ahead and be rude mohamed bin sell mine is doing exactly the opposite of that as i was
saying earlier if you're going to take on an aggressive foreign policy or domestic policy you have to make sure your back is covered and your flanks are covered and you can see what lies ahead he's taken on all these issues at the same time but you know going to the point about about the you know hezbollah and iran interfering in the in the affairs of states and back to the arab league meeting on sunday the arab league charter says that they're you know states the inviolability of not just sovereignty and territory territorial integrity of all arab states but independence as well and the first time in their history that they significantly veered from this and intervene in the affairs of state allegedly to support the population against its government it was in libya and in syria and now they are doing so in yemen when when when the arab league takes these decisions and sideline syria and looks to sideline other countries potentially like lebanon they have no right per
their charter you have an arab league that is being hijacked now and there are very few members of that league that actually subscribe to to what mohamed wants in the region i mean it's saudi arabia it's. not even the u.s. . about. her reign that has no voice any longer and maybe some sort of half steps by some of the others but this is a very dangerous situation right where one country is pretty much saying we can violate every occasion or be around us i want to and we have the right to do so we have about forty seconds before we go to the break go ahead mohamed interim if you want to respond to that go ahead i think the big issue is that mohamed bin saddam on is behaving in a very erratic manner he's not calculating things or thinking things through he one week he has a huge conference friend foreign investors at the ritz carlton the next week he arrested all the billionaires princes and ministers and puts them in the ritz carlton. that's basically saying to all foreign investors to leave and all wealthy
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welcome back to crossfire all things considered i'm peter about. reminder we're discussing saudi arabia and the region. can you explain we all know that the crown prince and its assuming that he will become king very soon can you explain his reforms i mean mohammed in toronto up to about this i guess a better word is this really a shaking down of members of the royal family that may or may not have committed massive acts of corruption ok fine but is that the way to move forward i mean because if you want to have the rule of law so you break the law to have the rule of law you east eight you take assets from people illegally but believing foreigners will we attempted to legally enter your in the saudi market i mean can't you see all the contradictions of what this quote unquote reform is all about because it looks like a power grab not in the name of
a family but in the name of one man go ahead jamal. very much could really. put it this way he is doing that are you seeing is the wrong way i've been very much supportive of reform in saudi arabia i called exactly for many of the things well how much money is the editor of a newspaper previously in saudi arabia yes not only are the same really need to beat him don't need to be districted the how to be a load but it. from the state they should not. live as if they own or a share of the state it shouldn't equal citizen to us we the people of saudi arabia . he is doing that i use things in saudi arabia but he's doing it in a hasty manner they will never be an economic development in saudi arabia.
they want to thirty without fighting corruption. but. i don't see. a lot in the washington post question with that he's becoming president fortin would he would just go that all the poet oh and him. wouldn't life you know i would like to see how well you know what we're hearing we have elections call me up when saudi arabia starts having elections and i'll be interested and eventually i got it much more the political parties to what i'm hoping for a right ok that should mean going up why you can vote if i think. that i can go to you know i find it really kind of foolhardy i mean so do you rabia is a royal family it's not even a state really it's one family and it has one person striving to have all power to him self here so if you're going to reform saudi arabia you have to reform the royal family what are the chances of that happening. not very good right now because. we're talking about
a dictatorship where it was ruled by consensus at least with thousands of. princes and members of the royal family that had who had a stake in the system today it's not clear who has the stake in the system besides besides the crown prince the would be king so i don't think he's going to have a very good chance of accomplishing even his domestic objectives because again the purges of the religious establishment even to some tribes the royal family the business class and as to his vision for twenty thirty how can he accomplish this when when investors who are required for this kind of economic plan are are going to be extremely wary of putting dollars into into a kingdom. you know that is that is governed by a leader this erratic. when mohamed would where to where does the u.s.
play in all of this because i mean we have donald trump tweeting supporting the crown prince almost a blank check here do you think that kind of nudge him along that he's going to get a free pass and of course we know that relations between israel and saudi arabia are are right being that they're getting closer and closer reports i've seen that even sharing intelligence here i mean you think the crown prince thought he had two really powerful forces in his corner and he was going to go out and make his bid in one fell flat on its face go ahead moment. yes i think that the saudi regime is counting very much on trump support and i think. our your good guest in the united states suffered a lot at the hands of the saudi ruling family because of his criticisms of trump if i'm not mistaken. this really connection with saudi arabia of course i think is really more hurtful to saudi arabia than it thinks because in public in the public
opinion in the region people recognize israel as an apartheid state that has kept palestinians basically in concentration camps in gaza and the which is treating them as subhuman and any the closer the relationship gets the more unpopular the saudi regime becomes but i'd like to also point out a couple of other things about what's going on in saudi arabia and why i think that . this is very dangerous for the stability of the regime itself the be the erratic behavior is not only with regards to its sudden arrests of all these influential people and it's not just the war where they're slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people due to disease and starvation although the western media for two years has been saying ten thousand people have been killed they don't want to tell the real numbers but then we see what he did in the tatar and outrageous behavior that the saudis showed towards that heavy people and they still they tried to strangle
them as well they humiliated the prime minister of lebanon and forced him to grovel in front of the king how would investors come to a country when even a foreign prime minister has no protection in the country but the most important thing i think is that saudi arabia some is a bit like libya it is not my egypt or iran we. it's a nation state which is but it's not. everybody is indeed there was a. sort of value for. coming years but the challenges from within is an interesting one but there's some money how you expect the makers of people who don't know how it is it will have any of those things go ahead go ahead and be a row does it have power and legitimacy how does our saudi arabia have power legitimacy to carry through and if it's agendas the arab league is as good as gone the g.c.c.
is as good as gone you know aaron no no no no initiatives. that only we were it all let me just let me lost it only comes with money and saudi arabia is bankrupt in terms of muslim legitimacy let's sell your no no no no we have heard your relationship with israel and it will have my own you know what peter no one think this is going to and i think that it's going to end with the custody and ship of the two holy mosques gone and they're very plain a very dangerous game whereas most of the countries in the region wants to build and would like saudi arabia to act as they did before you know with consensus and a system that was cautious and looked at its neighborhood in a very cautious tentative way before it. sees we have a saudi arabia gone rogue ok john i'm able to sustain sure we are and legitimately there are please respond before and then i want to go to my hope would be probably on the program go ahead. ok the but a quick response on token from my surrogate perspective and from within saudi
arabia i'm not seen so that if i would cite the people of saudi arabia their support to. support the monarchy does somewhat the system this is a reality difficult is economic meanly some difficulties for that but. the country is stable ruled the country for ok maybe five six years with what would much more challenges but he house to fix the unemployment problem let me just let a serious risk let's face it let me let me go to mike huckabee had he could we had that is we're rapidly running out of time mohamed let me go to you i would i would i would put forward the following is that all of the problems that saudi arabia is experiencing internally and its foreign policy are all self-inflicted wounds every single regime that has this sort of stuff.
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