tv Cross Talk RT November 22, 2017 11:00pm-11:31pm EST
i don't know that but we are. with islamic state on the back foot in syria the leaders of iran turkey and russia agreed to host all inclusive syrian talks to kick start the country's post-war political process. the prime minister suspends his resignation following over pressed by the country's president the pm sparked a regional political crisis two weeks ago when he said he was stepping down. the national olympic committee makes another ruling in the russian doping scandal banning the four russian skeleton athletes from. coming up in an hour kevin owen joins you for a look at today's top stories right now cross talk it gets to the bottom of the political crisis in saudi arabia stay with us.
hello and welcome to cross talk where all things were considered. the political crisis inflicted upon lebanon by saudi arabia appears to receded at least for now is this a sign of things to come as the saudi royal family changes so does saudi arabia and the region is it time to buckle up and brace for impact. saudi arabia and the region i'm joined by my guest. and washington he's a saudi commentator in beirut we have charmaine now one the she is a journalist as well as a middle east geo political analyst and into round we cross the mohammad marandi he is an associate professor at the university of all right. rules in effect that
means you can jump in anytime you want and i very much appreciate jamal let me go to you first in washington as we saw this situation play out in lebanon and i don't think it's come down yet will see what the next move is here but looking at what's going on in saudi arabia critics can make the claim that the the lebanon episode was to deflect from what was going on in saudi arabia and vice versa i mean how are they connected or they're just very different things happening at the same time go ahead in washington. to believe the two different things happening in the. saudi arabia house of the just admit that he's going to make a complaint of. not only in the but in syria and in yemen maybe. issue was introduced was too hasty in and such an impulsive way but it succeeded in getting the issue of his will on the table
and now even the french make any statements about how the law should be. should be districted. hezbollah should not have a free hand in it ok ok ok so this is all about just syria so this is all about a little bit and this is all about hezbollah then let me go to show i mean in beirut i mean one can easily make the claim that saudi arabia is meddling in lebanon and in yemen ok i mean i i don't see where you find the moral equivalence right there ok i mean so in beirut here i mean what is in play here because. seeing a country like saudi arabia claim it's making reforms considering it's a in a ta crissy religious a taco sea and it's reaching out to the west saying it's reforming and it wants to reorder the middle east i mean. that's destabilizing in itself because we don't know what the outcomes are at home and we certainly know what the outcomes are abroad ok go ahead in beirut. the saudis are in
a very precarious situation i mean you know if you're going to take an aggressive stance in your neighborhood or at home one of the things you have to do is make sure you have cover so if you're going to move forward with an aggressive foreign policy you have to make sure you have stability and cohesion and at home. mohamed bin some on the crown prince or we often call him m.b.'s is in a dangerous position for himself because at home he's he's taken on the purging of the religious establishment and the royal family and even the business of stablish meant at the same time as he has. rockets and mortars coming in from yemen a war that he initiated. and neighboring states and many conflicts around him in the region most of which saudi arabia has had
a hand in so you're right to criticize hezbollah for enter ference and arab affairs is a mockery because there is no country more aggressively pursuing interventions in regional states and neighboring states than saudi arabia and we should point to the arab league meeting on sunday which was to do for. sure yeah but at the same time hezbollah as a political party and has been elected by the people of lebanon i think that it's an important distinction as well it is and it's not for the say it's not over the gulf not for the saudis or i don't want to automate but i show that i'm ok let me let me i had folks i had a feeling this was going to how they want let me let me let me bring in professor marandi so we'll go to the mix ok i had a question but i think you've heard enough professor marandi to answer what you've heard already on the program go ahead please. well hezbollah is
a part of the government and the government recognizes. the hezbollah are armed wing in lebanon and it is universally recognized that the only thing that deters another israeli attack on lebanon is hezbollah and if people look back the reason why hezbollah was created in the first place was the the israeli regime's occupation of lebanon its attack on the country and effectively they expelled the israelis. so hezbollah's very popular in fact it's the most popular party in lebanon it actually gives it seats in the cabinet and in parliament to its own allies it only keeps a minimal number of seats just to be sure that they're in the debate. and to compare saudi arabia to hezbollah is really extraordinary we just recently heard
and i think all your viewers should watch the interview of the former prime minister of qatar when he spoke on t.v. not on here but on t.v. and he explained that at the very beginning of the situation in syria. he went to saudi arabia and they began plotting against the syrian government and of course we also have other documents like the defense intelligence agency document of two thousand and twelve and so on that shows that saudi arabia from the very beginning with the exporting terrorism to syria and the prime minister also acknowledged that the nostra front was being funded and that back then the nostra fund was actually part of isis because isis back then was i.s.i. their slimy state of iraq they created the notion from a struggle for syria and then again when we look at when we look at yemen the saudi regime is creating a start it's creating starvation i don't maskil unprecedented in human
history seven thousand people seventeen million people are on the verge of starvation or and the united states the western lumia the british milliner there are silent about this which is quite graceless but there is no comparison is that any saudi arabia and anyone else in and i point out to our viewers the sixty minutes report on c.b.s. was absolutely disgraceful in its bias ok jamal let me go back to you because if it's two against one here i want to be able to respond what we've heard of the program so far go ahead. but we should not pick and choose what we have a series of through revolution and that ought to be supported i wish he would do more support unfortunately even feel that my country is withdrawing your support to the studio live illusion and we shouldn't have done that because it is legitimate to support that evolution those people are calling for a measure to do or did it do we support. actually somehow saudi arabia they are there any of the to getting in somehow causing for bashar assad and we should
that we should be should not do that it is not in no interest yes i agree that the war in yemen is causing some suffering but. the whole issue should not be allowed to because they are not democratic. but ascribing to a vote sharing formula for yemen so somehow so the. what. supporting what has the law is supporting the not supporting. peaceful change democratic change. of supporting dictatorships or security of them all that i doubt that it's a foregone kind of rich having saudi arabia supporting terrorist groups in. inside of syria i mean i i have a hard time good if i have a high excuse me but i have a hard time anyone from saudi arabia talking about democracy anywhere in the world let me go to share meaning in beirut here i mean again you know this these reforms
. you need to have we have to have equal time for everyone but you know and you know saudi arabia looks like it wants to be the hedge of money in the entire arab world i'm afraid that's a long time ago the number of missteps that they've gone through and they were in recent years have pretty much precluded that i mean the survival of the royal family should be the primary concern because without the royal family there is no saudi arabia ok i think you know they should get their priorities straight go ahead in beirut mohamed bin sound mind is doing exactly the opposite of that as i was saying earlier if you're going to take an aggressive foreign policy or domestic policy you have to make sure your back is covered and your flanks are covered and you can see what lies ahead he's taken on all these issues at the same time but you know going to the point about about the you know hezbollah and iran interfere. in the in the affairs of states and back to the arab league meeting on sunday the arab league charter says that there are you know states the inviolability of not just
sovereignty and territory territorial integrity of all arab states but independence as well and the first time in their history that they significantly veered from this and intervene in the affairs of state allegedly to support a population against its government it was in libya and in syria and now they are doing so in yemen when when when the arab league takes these decisions and sideline syria and looks to sideline other countries potentially like lebanon they have no right per their charter you have an arab league that is being hijacked now and there are very few members of that league that actually subscribe to to what mohamed wants in the region i mean it's saudi arabia it's. not even the u.s. . but her reign that has no voice any longer and maybe some sort of half steps by some of the others but this is a very dangerous situation where one country is pretty much saying we can violate
every occasion to beat around us i want to and we have the right to do so we have about forty seconds before we go to the break go ahead mohammed interim if you want to respond to that go ahead i think the big issue is that mohamed bin saddam mom is behaving in a very erratic manner he's not calculating things or thinking things through he one week he has a huge conference friend foreign investors at the ritz carlton the next week he arrested all the billionaires princes and ministers and puts them in the ritz carlton. that's basically saying to all foreign investors and leave and all wealthy saudis to leave the country as well. ok gentlemen and lady i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on saudi arabia and the region's state with art.
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because if you want to have the rule of law so you break the law to have the rule of law you east a key take assets from people illegally but believing foreigners will we attempted to legally enter you're in the saudi market i mean can't you see all the contradictions of what this quote unquote reform is all about because it looks like a power grab not in the name of a family but in the name of one man go ahead jamal. very much could really. put it this way he is doing that are you seeing is the wrong way i've been very much supportive of reform in saudi arabia i called exactly for many of the things well how much money is doing it often used to but even asli in saudi arabia yes it unfair really need to be to need to be districted. to be a load but it. for the state they should not.
live as if they own a share of the state it shouldn't equal citizen to us we the people of saudi arabia . has the wind that i use things in size saw the british doing it in a hasty manner they will never be an economic development in saudi arabia. they won't get their tea without fighting corruption but in the same time to house to beat that i don't spit and see in that article a lot in the washington post i question with that he is becoming president putin would he would just go all the poet around him. wouldn't. you know i would look to see how well you know about what we have elections call me up when saudi arabia starts having elections and i'll be interested and by the way i would have much more the political parties to what i'm hoping for a right ok that assure me to a point where you can vote if i think. that i can go to you know i find it really
kind of foolhardy i mean so do you rabia is a royal family it's not even a state really it's one family and it has one person striving to have all power to him self here so if you're going to reform saudi arabia you have to reform the royal family what are the chances of that happening. and not very good right now because. we're talking about a dictatorship where it was ruled by consensus at least with the thousands of. princes and members of the royal family that had who had a stake in the system today it's not clear who has the stake in the system besides besides the crown prince the would be king so i don't think he's going to have a very good chance of accomplishing even his domestic objectives because again the purges of the religious establishment even to some tribes the royal family the business class and as to his vision for twenty thirty how can he accomplish this
when when investors who are required for this kind of economic plan are are going to be extremely wary of putting dollars into into a kingdom. you know that is that is governed by a leader this erratic. mohamed would where to where does the u.s. play in all of this because i mean we have donald trump tweeting supporting the crown prince almost a blank check here do you think that kind of nudge him along that he's going to get a free pass and of course we know that relations between israel and saudi arabia are are right being they're getting closer and closer reports i've seen that even sharing intelligence here i mean you think the crown prince thought he had two really powerful forces in his corner and he was going to go out and make his bid in the fell flat on his face go ahead moment. yes i think that the saudi regime is counting very much on trump support and i think. our your
good guest in the united states suffered a lot at the hands of the saudi ruling family because of his criticisms of trump if i'm not mistaken. there's rarely a connection with saudi arabia of course i think it's really more hurtful to saudi arabia than it thinks because in public in the public opinion in the region people recognize israel as an apartheid state that has kept palestinians basically in concentration camps in gaza and the which is treating them as subhuman and any the closer the relationship gets the more unpopular the saudi regime becomes but i'd like to also point out a couple of other things about what's going on in saudi arabia and why i think that . this is very dangerous for the stability of the regime itself the be erratic behavior is not only with regards to its sudden arrests of all these influential
people and it's not just the war where they're slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people due to disease and starvation although the western media for two years has been saying ten thousand people have been killed they don't want to tell the real numbers but then we see what he did in the tatar and outrageous behavior that the saudis showed towards that heavy people and they still they tried to strangle them as well they humiliated the prime minister of lebanon and forced him to grovel in front of the king how would investors come to a country when even a foreign prime minister has no protection in the country but the most important thing i think is that saudi arabia some is a bit like libya it is not my egypt or iran. and it's a nation state with an identity. it's founded upon him in the view was founded upon one person and when he was killed when he was here when he left the scene the
country fell apart and saudi arabia if if mohamed bin some money grows weaker as a result of the. immense amount of money that he's wasting in yemen in killing the and all the other crap multiple crises at home and abroad if saudi arabia grows unstable i don't think that the country will remain intact in jamal i know that you are a critic of the saudi government presumably you may be one of the ones where you're living in the u.s. if you could give the crown prince advice what would that advice be and what would be the advice to israel and the united states for example he was the void one marauder despite all the temptation. to rule this firehouse martyr's the old was into that is our stuff to the current database but it's really hard to be asleep during the course of history isn't he doing just the opposite. but i thought law but that was my advice to avoid being a one month rule he need to broaden the consensus he need to create some form for
the market to see about him he enjoys the support of the people did is no question of that it to misuse saudi arabia. it's very quick solution could hear something like the chinese communist party would it where they have a huge membership of. people who could contribute and share power saudi arabia is going through a major transformation that existed to the country and that should not be looked did you think. you think saudi arabia can survive this transformation it's seems to me really in severe doubts that it could on the past years on right now yes no i think. in the short term or saudi arabia has enough forward enough legitimacy enough to survive for. the coming years but challenges from within isn't even facing one hundred and some months high expectation that the
measures that people don't know how it is it will have any of those things go ahead go ahead in beirut how does it have power and legitimacy how does a saudi arabia have power legitimacy to carry through and if it's agendas the arab league is as good as gone the g.c.c. is as good as gone you know am no no no no no initiative that's hard is it doing is that only we were it all let me just let me just say it it only comes with money and saudi arabia is bankrupt in terms of muslim legitimacy lets out you're a no no no no no we have we're the relationship with israel and it will have my friend you know what peter no no and think this is going to and i think that it's going to end with the custody and ship of the two holy mosques gone and they're deploying a very dangerous game whereas most of the countries in this region want stability and would like saudi arabia to act as they did before. you know with consensus and a system that was cautious and looked at its neighborhood in a very cautious tentative way before it. sees we have
a saudi arabia gone rogue ok john i'm able to sustain jeremy an hour and legitimately here now please respond before and then i want to go to my home and before we end the program go ahead ok the vertical response of token for all my surrogate perspective and from within saudi arabia i'm not seen saw that even if i would cite the people of saudi arabia their support to. support the monarchy you know somewhat the system this is a reality there are difficulties which are economic meanly some difficulties are foreign but the country is stable ruled the country for ok maybe five six years with what would let's watch other injuries but key house to fix the unemployment problem let me just let a serious risk let's face it let me let me go to mohammed he had he could add that if we're rapidly running out of time mohamed let me go to you and i will i would i
would put forward the following is that all of the problems that saudi arabia is experiencing internally and its foreign policy are all self-inflicted wounds every single one go ahead. well look we're out of the saudi regime basically is. is is is not is putting the lives of people like threat just man who's defending saudi arabia right now cannot go back to his own country this is the state of affairs in saudi arabia and so did the united states when they occupied iraq they were infinitely more powerful than saudi arabia and look what iraq did to the american economy so do you arabia is engaging in mass murder in yemen it is spending its money like there's no tomorrow it's confronting a tad it's confronting syria iraq it's been it's been the confronting iraq for
years and now lebanon and iran it is and at home it's now dealing both with the clerics as well as the royal family ministers and it's arresting generals as well this is definitely not a regime that has this sort of mohammed mohammed can put on i'm sorry i'm sorry i wish i'd like to get away with it but would run out of time fascinating discussion many thanks to my guests in washington and in beirut and in turn around and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember crosstalk. i says it was it to me by the americans by the israeli unfortunately the by financial support of some. countries in the.
for making and secure the region. but politicians do something. to put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president i'm sure. most somewhat want to be rushed. into going to be press the slightly before three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters in the. first sip. they call me a useful idiot i mean you called me a useful idiot useful idiot useful idiots very expressing my opinions on t.v.
there are thousands of us doing it behind his record is a simple strategy we attack persons instead of talking about the arctic so what's next why stop there still banned me from getting this close to the white house i'm with a group code pink why not ban the color pink one hour stretch beyond the right i should be sent to the town because i'm to try to break me on the wheel but what i long time that this sort of nonsense you don't scare me more skill ross and i'll continue to voice my opinion i'll continue to speak out i'm in good company i'm in good company you're going to the screen you want me to because we'll freezing cold .
hello and welcome to worlds apart and old japanese pro has said that a talented hawk would hide its claws that may well be a guiding strategy for japan under prime minister shinzo who so far have been far more assertive in foreign policy than any of his predecessors but who prefers to keep it relatively amicable even if it runs contrary to the international public opinion has this approach bore any food well to discuss that i'm now joined by dr tomei he could turn the special adviser to prime minister cabinet dr today which is great to talk to you thank you very much for being available. thank you very much for having me now about the year ago you wrote an article on japanese childhood g.v. xavier russia and in that article you're first to president putin as the west's public enemy number one i wonder if president putin still can claim the title or has he
perhaps yielded to his american counterpart well if you look at the public opinion in countries such as the united states the united kingdom the fear factor with regard to. still visible and even has gained more strength so i think it's still it's still holds. what i what i what i what i used in terms of i'm afraid well i think when it comes to negative press present putin now has some competition from president trump who is also strongly disliked in some quarters which makes prime minister's abbé treatment of both of this man a very respectful rary friendly treatment quite can speak here it stands out in comparison to how other countries conduct their diplomacy with both russia and the united states one of the calculus behind.