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the u.k. has the highest death count or worldwide belgium but we haven't heard much about covert patients who have apparently recovered groundbreaking neurosciences the western university in canada resurveyed you know and is studying the after effects of those survivors and believes the findings will show some will develop profound neurological problems he's here to tell me about it 1st guy from london in on terrio thank you adrian for coming on so normally maybe you'd be in an i.c.u. for the past few months you've been looking into this now with the research well we just we just launched a little over a week ago and what we're trying to do is to recruit 50000 covert survivors to this study because you know it's becoming more and more obvious as people are starting to emerge from the. immediate impact of the virus that that they've been concentrating on is in memory problems in sulks solving making simple decisions and i think we really need to get on top of this very quickly you really think and
you're an expert in this field that this anecdotal evidence of a lot of tasteless of well these may all be connected with brain function. well you know we know that i mean if you think about what goes on in cody's it's essential you are spiritually problem and that of course interferes with the oxygen supply to the brain and we know a lot about how anything that interferes with the oxygen get into your brain can affect brain function now it may be that there are direct viral affects maybe the virus itself sex that right not at i don't think we will be clear on that yet but we do know that there are these indirect effects caused by a so the oxygen being our ventilator being in the i.c.u. being on sedatives all of these things known to affect brain function so what is your hunch because it's arguably not as exciting for a scientist if it is indeed just a function of respiratory. impacts from grown a virus or blog. or thing that is affecting the brain as opposed to the virus
itself somehow attacking the brain itself we don't i think it is as interesting as you said being in this conversation i spent a lot of my time in the i.c.u. looking at patients who had brain injuries but you know most of those brain injuries aren't due to say an impact to the brain a lot of these patients are people who had a cardiac arrest and the problem you know most people would think well that's hot problem that's not a brain problem but but actually when you have a cardiac arrest it affects the oxygen supply to the brain and the result is brain damage and we have exactly the same problem here you know maybe the interruption of oxygen to the brain is at a different level but the ultimate result is still brain damage and that's what i'm really interested in in trying to track and prevent it at all possible and so while there is anecdotal evidence there's also firm evidence the growing of viruses is in the family of sars virus is in and said back in $23.00 the survivors did have long term neurological complications. yes that's right i mean that's another factor
that no meat made us think that it was essential to get on with this study now we experienced this before obviously on a much smaller scale that we know about how survivors of similar viruses in the past have gone on to have long term problems with concentrating and memory in the and these are the not small problems these are things that can affect people's ability to work and people's ability to go about their everyday activities we have more than 10000000 people in the world right now who are recovering from coronavirus and you know imagine if a year from now we have 10000000 people who are able to carry out their their jobs affectively that's a huge economic and societal problem and of course dementia or alzheimer's the biggest killers in this country of 2018 in the office of national city's sticks i'm just wondering are you saying the dementia or alzheimer's style dynamics may apply
in that i don't know a prime minister who recovered in a virus his brain function the fact that it's presumably all fine well it could worsen we're talking about worsening over time it's not just people recover and as long as their brain function recovers it will stay at that function level. i mean that is actually one of the critical questions we were addressing in this study you know it could be and i think we all hope that these problems are temporary people experienced temporary problems with memory and concentration it could be that they're permanent and you're just stuck with this situation which is course. much worse but the worst possible scenario is that this virus can trigger some sort of degenerative situation where people actually get worse over time now we don't know when that's the case not really is it really is too early to say but it could be
and we could end up with a generation of people who are suffering with dementia like illness down the line the prime minister here is under attack for a perceived. care homes where so many thousands of people here died what is there. to link degenerative diseases like dementia with over the tool. where there are many factors involved people who are old are more horrible by definition they tend to have more other medical issues going on they may have a spiritual issues and they have heart issues they may have issues with their brain directly you know like dementia so this you know this population of people are inherently more vulnerable when anything any virus light like this hits and i think that's probably the main factor of course there's a there's a community issue as well if these people are already living together in a you know in a small space so when one of them contracts the virus it's very easy passed on to
others and those have been widely discussed in the media but do you think that somehow dementia treatments may help in any if it's proven long term brain effects of growth of ours has it we don't know the answer to that we don't really have effective treatments for dementia and i think the same would be true if it turns out that. virus causes some kind of degenerative situation i think it's unlikely that we're going to have a treatment that we can pull off the shelf to to. to deal with that but so it's i think the priority right now is to try and understand what these problems are to understand how widespread it's going to be and put steps into place to deal with it if and if and when it occurs as i say we don't have any evidence yet that degenerative for those people watching you are recovering from coronavirus but what made you start thinking about brain function was it and you might have to define this word neuro tropic dynamics was it was it this report
a lot of taste and also swill. yes i mean once it started become apparent that people were losing taste musing smell it it was it was clear there were some neurological issues going on because those are both neurological. neurological symptoms if you like i guess people tend to think it's something to do with the nose because it's all in the brain now that that started to make us think what well is there anything else going on and i i started to ask around and. talk to people who were recovering from code and many of them were reporting bigger issues problems with things like memory and concentration and early on in the pandemic i was really thinking well you know this is not a problem for a neuroscientist like me this is a problem for me ologist people who want to understand viruses but you know as this is a new dawn and more and more people are attracted to virus and more and more people
in as a result are now starting to recover it's very clear that this is a problem this is not one or 2 people many many people are reporting these kinds of neurological deficits and we've had people on this program from the independent scientific advisory group on emergencies what did you make watching if you did from gallagher of boris johnson here flanked by his top government scientists form of. officials of perjury violence and johnson said we are following the science to that make any sense to you. well i you know i'm going to comment on that the political background to that situation obviously i did watch you know as i was aware of it and you know i can only hope. that the politicians are really taking the scientists very very seriously and i guess i was getting at the fact that science obviously changes and probably changes because of a hopefully innovations that you come up with but then if you immediately started
to suspect. relations to brain coughlin. obviously there's a higher case of frequency of dementia in care homes that there is in the accident emergency or grow the virus warden or spittal do you think there are implications here for future presidents i think there are because you know i think everything we can learn from this pandemic will be useful in the future and you know whether that's how best to contain it or best to develop vaccines or how best to anticipate the if you like knock on effects like cognitive deficits and that's why here it's so important for us to get access to a large number of people we want a lot of people to sign up to code the brain study dot com because then we can start to pull a pull apart some of these pieces you know it may seem obvious that the worse your viral symptoms the worse your cognitive or brain deficits are going to be down the line but you know maybe that's not true maybe even people who are asymptomatic
young people people out in the street of got through this without even getting into a hospital maybe those people are also going to be affected with these neurological problems and you know until we assess a lot of people we're really not going to know who's if you like immune you know who's going to run into trouble down the line i know you're at the beginning of the journey if there's a big if there are parallels between how corona virus itself acts on the brain and dementia what are the what sort of dementia degenerative curve are we looking at i mean will people know if they haven't got a brain worsening brain function in a year's time after recovering them basically they're safe. well that's an extremely good question again it's one that we can't really answer until we get get hold of the data and as most people know alzheimer's disease is a is a fairly slow generally a slow moving neurodegenerative disease it can often be some years before you know
somebody eventually succumbs to to the disease itself but you know there are other forms of neurodegeneration that go much more quickly and so on and right now we know we don't know whether whether the effects of corona virus are in one of those 2 categories you know i think typically looking at somebody's performance or decline in this case over the course of the year is enough to determine whether they are to generating and how quickly the process is going so that's actually why we plan to follow people for an entire year because we can learn a lot from how somebody performs a year from now relative to how they performed day that's really the key it's going to tell us with that this is a moving target or stationary permanent problem which is finally and briefly i know over in china they're coming out with dementia drugs go. in in china there are drugs coming out. what if the research money goes into all of
this and we get nothing out because if sars did affect brain function back in 2002 and 23 why is it we still don't know more about the the sars family of viruses and how they affect breaking nation. well one of the reasons is because you know we didn't have as many people back then we now have as many people surviving for us to be able to do this kind of research i think you know in many ways sounds a bit bizarre but this is a great scientific opportunity we have one of the largest scientific natural scientific experiments in the world more than 10000000 people contract in the same virus so i think this is the 1st time in history we've really had a disorder of opportunity where we can look at a large proportion of those people look at the experiences they've had look at the apps the other diseases they were coping with the time whether there was
a daisy where they were hospitalized with ice and to mattick and try and pack more he's behind these things you know recent this is the 1st time we've been able to do this. you know and thank you. after the break what you supposed violent rioters in all kong have to do with the cia we speak to one of them kong's youngest ever legislators about upholding democracy under the flag of the people's republic of china all of them all going about through him going underground. young people for a while you know it's up to them to make it in their own image and on the money else and jancee i'm a boomer you know i already had a plan for your 15 year experience in the united states post world war 2 poles are
landing the stock markets they're out of work they my life because of that and that you know so it's up to them to decide what's great make it great and good luck with the. time after time corporations repeat the same mantra sustainability very important to accelerate the transition to sustainable transport sustainability. the more equitable and sustainable world. they claim their production is completely harmless followed. the big. companies. companies want us to feel good about buying their products while the damage is being done far away this is something else this must be done to anyone and i mean much emphasis on rules i mean listen we didn't dream and strengthen them to understand that superman and.
welcome back well as nato nations remain in the minority in their criticism of china over its new national security law the media has largely been in the majority in voicing concerns that china is trampling over a british democracy that found its roots in colonialism but it's shatters have arguably lived on nathan law as the youngest ever legislator to be elected to the hall got council quoting anti british imperialism up a gun the that eventually led to his arrest spending 7 months in jail he is the founder and former chairman of the pro-democracy party demos cysto before going on the run to what he alleges is persecution from china and he joins me now via skype from an undisclosed location nathan thanks so much for coming on 1st of all i'm going to ask you why an undisclosed location what we are now about how it sounds if china kharif so for now and. many answer. before i say once again before that i will let you know where my whereabouts and my presence in
my person the house for now could it be a response to article 38 of this new law i don't know where you heard in the world but apparently article 38 seems to suggest that. any offenses committed against hong kong special administrative region from outside the region by a person who is not a permanent resident of the region is liable for action let alone a permanent resident which i presume you are well. aware as well i am if i have committed something liable to. be prosecuted so it is not about where i be but. is about well whether there are any uncertainties created by the chinese authority or even that the courageous. reached outside china so yeah i'll just wait and see whether
it's safe to reveal my location to see powerless with tuning in the sun choose to watch it here in britain according to the united nations or edward snowden who had to flee to moscow well i think was that i'll. actually be on many. many similarities that we could come to get from now you know call a prominent activist and author of election now with the car truck tony and know that while basically none of the laws hong kong had implemented would be like that it's just written in such a broad and take anyone who went to protest could possibly be gracious and face my phone died long consenting so my reaction is to touch a little and yeah it's definitely destroying of course freedom and it's all calling me were things best because i'm going to say we have to prove apparently that deng
xiaoping's translates or own who said he wanted it julian this wants to be free in this country with things better in hong kong do you think under the british dictatorship when the patten and the disaster. well. it is quite meaningless to come the same types in different era because the time has changed and 2nd which is the last 2 decades actually hong kong and at last in that case of its colonial time all call actually. was implemented with a serious of liberalisation and democratisation measures but it all being returned to the 5 base chain so we can say bache and actually intentional a whole the process of democratization in hong kong and to concentrate power more and more throughout the implementation of one country 2 systems you see the chinese authorities claim that this is imperialist meddling they accuse hong kong human
rights groups of being some sometimes in the payments and often linked to cia backed his actions that when u.s. government funded n.g.o.s or the fallout from agent has always been used to stigmatize to home they have enough of profile that i need relevant after the for the accusation because these are not true welcome people come out to protest for their own sake and for the sake of democracy and because china has not been doing want to act while most welcome people wish our democracy and autonomy so well these kind of never take for china is being used to fool its own critics and and tries to fool the well but the well refuse to listen to these lies so it is impossible to recognise that the system is mobilized by holcombe people themselves in self socal 'd life morea and also how for this and this is not about being paralysed is about
china author a tyrant expansion they want to control on kong every year at the cage or the freedoms that we have enjoyed it is a means to an end for the so-called human rights activists to work with cia agent organize. because the national endowment for democracy is clear that it has a role in the pro-democracy movement professors you genre who's been imprisoned a constitutional law professor who we are just about on this program he wrote for the national endowment for democracy it's on his on their website and the ne be funded by the. well i have no idea what that kind of accusation of what the crown of that was merely someone writing something on the website of the organization you know if you go check on the protest side of people carrying their own well resources to the ground and they are supporting the move on by their own even though there are international organizations night boy think of the hong
kong but that doesn't mean that. i mentioned earlier organized or organized station only it is false accusation and i don't think what you have quite know about the length of anybody on coming. well a correct description i'm not sure of the hundreds of millions of people whose governments are being destabilized by the national endowment for democracy arguably over the decades would agree tell me about the hong kong democracy council that you're on the board of hong kong people elect well organization that focus on. africa's you walk on the u.s. so it does not directly involved in the local ground in hong kong right but it's called the hong kong democracy council and it seems to have direct links to the law being in washington for law is that suggest unless
hong kong enact legislation that helps washington there should be u.s. sanctions on china well i think. call rationale behind though is when china is found to. commit itself to the promise off on the british on decoration a well it's a code it accountable because the declaration is timed by british and chinese government and it is tabled in the united nation so i was talking about the professional treatment of hong kong that is the major premiss of that which is hong kong remains autonomous so if home going on the direct autocratic control from china it is just an ordinary chinese city so why the well should all the perpetual comment on calm i think this is the logic behind the i don't i don't think the way
to confuse the use of words and the rationale behind. hong kong human rights and democracy that help the discussion except is not the will do that it's a tiny minority of countries nato countries that when talking about most of the world isn't making a big fuss about this hong kong act and perhaps they see that it is absurd the china should abide by u.s. legislation over what is part of its country i think that is also and all the false protection to last the act because the act is about whether the u.s. should continue to give preferential treatment to hong kong which from the perspective of china that could possibly be the internal policy of the u.s. in that by meddling on an issue and we have to understand that that international status of hong kong is being recognized by the intent of coming in to be
a spy they have to show that they remain strong rule through all and all told me so that the trust is on system just hunky and i don't object to about i don't have. just talk about the u.s. ongoing human rights and democracy act which marco rubio lobbied for with george for a long your colleague and samuel too but it clearly says sanctions should be put on china if china does not serve u.s. interests who would sort of act is that i presume you'll be for the exact well i think. that underlay for hong kong people's point of view we need to whole time i've come to one that that's what the welfare to do sort of normal people on the street and on kong is they should be a defacto colony of the united states well i don't think that is a direct link off on the nq on the left state and that kind of comment quote only your my set the what the current international affairs if absolutely wrong you on
call is not on the u.s. then that kind of relevant rationing mccann is among the money yet it's being implemented all over the world not only about china is about all the human rights behaved of all the human rights. in the world but i don't think that kind of like the almighty the. current state of mind and i think you're using the wrong comparison to understand what's happening in hong kong because the big act rusher alleging that that is related to nato nation intelligence services tell me why you think we haven't heard more about the we go muslim concentration camps that we did hear of a while back apparently millions of muslims imprisoned and the news seems to have disappeared from from. newspapers and mainstream media yeah because hong kong we've got a lot of international media station there and i urge the world that we should continue
to pressure to beijing to china and to end the contradiction coming change which actually to calm protests tough enough are well concerning that. issue i think it's not about imperiling them is all about conan it is about the well they have like accumulating what legitimacy throughout the past decade because well liberal community it allowed them to do so and that's not right you see evidence of these so-called concentration camps apparently comes from the network of chinese human rights defenders backed financed by the us government and homophobic far right i call adrian sense there are only 2 pieces of evidence in fact the basis for the accusation that millions of we get is. in concentration camps based on 8 people interviewed by the then the serious of b.b.c.
proper and that news. yes absolutely. but does it also count people that you counted any well again as i say the evidence for the initial accusations are 8 people you're saying there is no involvement you've had no involvement with anyone involved in u.s. intelligence as regards your role or your colleagues role in the hong kong protest movement. by my colleagues and i have no connection to the u.s. intelligence on any thought of intelligence from around the world we fight for hong kong people's freedom for our own and all young calm people are there's a lot of hope you're safe thank you. thank you and that's of the show will be back on monday 4 years after you get prime minister david cameron resigned after failing to keep britain in the e.u. and overseeing a policy of austerity have led to deaths of the citizens he vowed to protect until then wash your hands join the underground when you present that facebook and
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