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the more equitable and sustainable world. they claim their production is completely harmless. the big. companies want us to feel good about buying their products while the damage is being done far away this is something else this going to mean and i know. you didn't. understand it with. no mention or a chance you were going underground as u.s. voters in louisiana cast their presidential primary ballots in the race for the white house but will arguably do nothing to help the coronavirus recovery in the
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country with the most confirmed cases and deaths in the world coming up on the show while the mainstream media focused on the lives lost to coronavirus groundbreaking you're a scientist professor adrian owen tells us how covert 970 was may be left with profound long term damage and the china faces criticism from nato nations for its national security law and on kong we speak to the youngest of a person to become a legislator in the former british colony about fleeing alleged persecution to build an international consensus all the small coming out today is going underground at 1st throughout the current pandemic we've heard that the us has the highest reported number of deaths worldwide while the u.k. has the highest death count but capita worldwide while belgium but we haven't heard much about covert patients who have apparently recovered groundbreaking neuroscientist at western university in canada reza adrian owen is studying the ofter effect of the survivors and believes the findings will show some will have developed profound neurological problems he had to tell me about it via skype.
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london in on terrio thank you adrian for coming on so normally maybe you'd be in an i.c.u. for the past few months you've been looking into this now with the research well we've just we just launched a little over a week ago and what we're trying to do is to recruit 50000 covert survivors to this study because you know it's becoming more and more obvious as people are starting to emerge from the. immediate impact of the virus that that they are developing neurological problems and many of these are our cognitive challenges things like problems in concentrating on as in memory problems in so solving making simple decisions and i think we really need to get on top of this very quickly you really think and you're an expert in this field that this anecdotal evidence of a lot of tasteless of well these may all be connected with brain function. well you know we know that i mean if you think about what goes on in cody's it's essentially a spiritual problem and that of course interferes with the oxygen supply to the
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brain and we know a lot about how anything that interferes with the oxygen get into your brain can affect brain function now it may be that there are direct viral affects maybe the virus itself sex that right not that i don't think we will be clear on that yet but we do know that there are these indirect effects caused by also the oxygen being on a ventilator being in the i.c.u. being on sedatives all of these things and known to affect brain function so what is your hunch because it's arguably not as exciting for a scientist if it is indeed just a function of respiratory. impacts from grown a virus or blood clotting that is affecting the brain as opposed to the virus itself somehow attacking the brain itself we don't i think it is as interesting as you said being in this conversation i spent a lot of my time in the i.c.u. looking at patients who had brain injuries but you know most of those brain. aren't
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you to say an impact to the brain a lot of these patients are people who had a cardiac arrest and the problem you know most people think well let's hop problem that's not a brain problem but but actually when you have a cardiac arrest it affects the oxygen supply to the brain and the result is brain damage and we have exactly the same problem here you know maybe the interruption of oxygen to the brain is at a different level the ultimate result is still brain damage and that's what i'm really interested in in trying to track and prevent it at all possible and so while there is anecdotal evidence there's also firm evidence the growing of viruses is in the family of sars virus is in and said back in 23 the survivors did have long term neurological complications. yes that's right i mean that's another factor that you know mate made us think that it was essential to get on with this study now we experienced this before obviously on a much smaller scale that we know about how survivors of similar viruses in the
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past have gone on to have long term problems with concentrating and memory in the and these are the not small problems these are things that can affect people's ability to work and people's ability to go about their everyday activities we have more than 10000000 people in the world right now who are recovering from coronavirus and you know imagine if a year from now we have 10000000 people who are able to carry out their their jobs affectively that's a huge economic and societal problem and of course dementia or alzheimer's the biggest killers in this country of 2018 in the office of national citizens ticks i'm just wondering are you saying the dementia alzheimer's style dynamics may apply in that i don't know our prime minister who recovered in a virus his brain function the fact that it's presumably. it could worsen we're talking about worsening over time it's not just people recover and as
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long as their brain function recovers it will stay at that function level. i mean and that is actually one of the critical questions we were addressing in this study you know it could be and i think we all hope that these problems are temporary people experienced temporary problems with memory and concentration it could be that they're permanent you're just stuck with this situation which is course. much worse but the worst possible scenario is that this virus can trigger some sort of degenerative situation where people actually get worse over time now we don't know when that's the case not really is it really is too early to say but it could be and we could end up with a generation of people who are suffering with a dementia like illness down the line the prime minister here is under attack for a perceived. care homes where so many thousands of people here died what is there. to link degenerative diseases like
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dementia with over the tool. where there are many factors involved people who are old are more horrible by definition they tend to have more other medical issues going on they may have spiritual issues and they have heart issues they may have issues with their brain directly you know like dementia so this you know this population of people are inherently more vulnerable when anything any virus light like this hits and i think that's probably the main factor of course there's a there's a community issue as well if these people are already living together in a you know in a small space so when one of them contracts the virus it's very easy passed on to others and those have been widely discussed in the media but do you think that somehow dementia treatments may help in any if it's proven long term brain effects of growth of ours as if we don't know the answer to that we don't really have
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effective treatments for dementia and i think the same would be true if it turns out that. virus causes some kind of degenerative situation i think it's unlikely that we're going to have a treatment that we can pull off the shelf to to. to deal with that but so it's i think the priority right now is to try and understand what these problems are to understand how widespread it's going to be and put steps into place to deal with it if and if and when it occurs as i say we don't have any evidence yet that degenerative for those people watching you are recovering from coronavirus but what made you start thinking about brain function was it and you might have to define this word neuro tropic dynamics was it was it this reported a lot of taste and also swill. yes i mean once it started become apparent that people were losing taste musing smell it it was it was clear there were some neurological issues going on because those are both neurological.
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neurological symptoms if you like i guess people tend to think it's something to do with the nose because it's all in the brain now that that started to make us think well is there anything else going on and i i started to ask around and. talk to people who were recovering from code and many of them were reporting bigger issues problems with things like memory and concentration and early on in the pandemic i was really thinking well you know this is not a problem for a neuroscientist like me this is a problem for the knowledge of people who want to understand viruses but you know as this is a new dawn and more and more people are attracted to virus and more and more people in as a result are now starting to recover it's very clear that this is a problem this is not one or 2 people many many people are reporting these kinds of neurological deficits and we've had people on this program from the independent scientific advisory group on emergencies what did you make watching if you did from
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gallagher of boris johnson here flanked by his top government scientists form of. officials of perjury violence and johnson said we are following the science to that make any sense to you. well i you know i'm going to comment on the the political background to that situation obviously i did watch you know as i was aware of it and you know i can only hope. that the politicians are really taking the scientists very very seriously and i guess i was getting at the fact that science obviously changes and probably changes because of hopefully innovations that you come up with but then if you immediately started to suspect. relations to brain coughlin. ssion obviously there's a higher case of frequency of dementia in care homes that there is in the accident emergency or grow the virus warden or spittal do you think there are implications
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here for future pandemics i think there are because you know i think everything we can learn from this pandemic will be useful in the future and you know whether that's how best to contain it or best to develop vaccines or how best to anticipate the if you like knock on effects like cognitive deficits and that's why here it's so important for us to get access to a large number of people we want a lot of people to sign up to cody brain study dot com because then we can start to pull a pull apart some of these pieces you know it may seem obvious that the worse your viral symptoms the worse your cognitive or brain deficits are going to be down the line but you know maybe that's not true maybe even people who are asymptomatic young people people out in the street of got through this without even getting into a hospital maybe those people are also going to be affected with these neurological problems and you know until we assess a lot of people we're really not going to know who's if you like immune you know
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who's going to run into trouble down the line i know you're at the beginning of the journey if there's a big if there are parallels between how corona virus itself acts on the brain and dementia what are the what sort of dementia degenerative curve are we looking at i mean will people know if they haven't got a brain worsening brain function in a year's time after recovering them basically they're safe. well that's an extremely good question again it's one that we can't really answer until we get get hold of the data and as most people know alzheimer's disease is a is a fairly slow generally a slow moving neurodegenerative disease it can often be some years before you know somebody eventually succumbs to to the disease itself but you know there are other forms of neurodegeneration that go much more quickly and so on and right now we know we don't know whether whether the effects of corona virus are in
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one of those 2 categories you know i think typically looking at somebody's performance or decline in this case over the course of the year is enough to determine whether they are to generating and how quickly the process is going so that's actually why we plan to follow people for an entire year because we can learn a lot from how somebody performs a year from now relative to how they performed day that's really the key is going to tell us with that this is a moving target or stationary permanent problem which is finally and briefly i know over in china they're coming out with dementia drugs go. in in china there are drugs coming out. what if the research money goes into all of this and we get nothing out because if sars did affect brain function back in 2002 and 23 why is it we still don't know more about the the sars family of viruses and how they affect regulation. but one of the reasons is because you know we didn't
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have as many people back then we now have as many people surviving for us to be able to do this kind of research i think you know in many ways it sounds a bit bizarre that this is a great scientific opportunity we have one of the largest scientific natural scientific experiments in the world more than 10000000 people contrasting the same virus so i think this is the 1st time in his. we've really had a disorder of opportunity where we can look at a large proportion of those people look at the experiences they've had look at the actually of the diseases they were coping with the time with as i was a daisy where they were hospitalized with ice and to my take and try and pack more he's behind the scenes i know he said this is the 1st time we've been able to do this professor and you know and thank you thank you after the break what are you supposed violent rushes in all kong have to do with the cia we speak to one of them
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kong's youngest ever legislature is about upholding democracy under the flag of the people's republic of china all this of all going up about to i'm going to grow. a young people for a while you know it's up to them to make it in their own image and out the money else and jan see i'm a boomer you know i already had planned for your 15 year experience in the united states post world war 2 coast landing. stock markets never had a work day in my life because of that and you know so it's up to them to decide what's great to make it great and good luck with. my no 2 no crowd. no shots no. action
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is the goal to be. well dr no the 1st. point should your thirst for action. welcome back well as nato nations remain in the minority in their criticism of to. in or over its new national security law the media has largely been in the majority and voicing concerns that china is trampling over a british democracy that found its roots in colonialism but its shadows have arguably lived on nathan law as the youngest ever legislator to be elected to the home go council quoting anti british imperialism a gun the that eventually led to his arrest spending 7 months in jail he is the founder and former chairman of the pro-democracy party demo system before going on the run to what he alleges is persecution from china and he joins me now via skype from an undisclosed location nathan thanks so much for coming on 1st when i'm going
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to ask you why an undisclosed location where we are now about how exciting it can occur each now and. so many answers before i say once again before that i will reveal where my whereabouts and my person. in my purse and they have for now could it be in response to article 38 of this new law i don't know where you heard in the world but apparently article 38 seems to suggest that any offenses committed against hong kong special administrative region from outside the region by a person who is not a permanent resident of the region is liable for action let alone a permanent resident which i presume you are well. where ever i am if i have committed something liable to. be prosecuted it is not about where i be but. is about well whether there are any
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uncertainty created by the chinese authority or even that the greatest. reached outside china yeah just wait and see what if say to a review of my location do you see parallels with julian assange shoes here in britain according to the united nations or edward snowden who had to. to moscow well i think i was there all the while actually on many. many similarities that we could come. from you know call a prominent activist and author of election now with in charge the county and know that while basically none of the laws hong kong has implemented will be like it's just written in such a broad and take anyone who went to protest could possibly be gracious and face my
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phone dies all kinds of thing so my reaction is to touch a little and yeah it's definitely destroying of course freedom and it's all ptolemy were things best because i'm going to say we have to prove apparently that deng xiaoping's translates or own who said he wanted julian psalms to be free in this country with things better in hong kong do you think under the british dictatorship when the pattern and there was a sachin. well 1st of all. it is quite meaningless to come the same place in different era because the time has changed and secondly we can see the last 2 decades actually hong kong and that lot because that case of its colonial time all call actually. was implemented with a serious offer liberalisation and democratisation measures but it all being returned to the 5 base chain so we could see a paycheck and actually intense on a whole the process of democratization in hong kong and to concentrate power while
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more and more throughout the incoming taishan of one country 2 systems you see the chinese authorities claim that this is imperialist meddling they accuse hong kong human rights groups of being some sometimes in the payment to hoffman linked to cia backed actions that led u.s. government funded n.g.o.s or the. all at. a gym has always been used to stigmatise stuff home is not that nephi provided any relevant after the for the accusation because these are not true welcome people come out to protest for their own sake and for the sake of democracy and because china has not been doing what they have promised all come people wish our democracy and autonomy so well these kind of never take for china is being used to fool its own critics and and tries to true
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the well but the refuse to listen to these lies so it is impossible to recognise that this system is not mobilized by hong kong people themselves in self socal 'd life morea and also how for this and this is not about being paralysed it's about china author terry and expansion they want to control on call every era to kate all the freedoms that we have enjoyed it is a means to an end for the so-called human rights activists to work with cia linked organizations because the national endowment for democracy is clear that it has a role in the pro-democracy movement prevent as usual ruin has been imprisoned a constitutional law professor who we asked about on this program he wrote for the national endowment for democracy it's on his do on their website and the ne deviously funded by the 5. well i have no idea what that kind of accusation that you brought up was a crown or that was merely someone writing something on their website or their
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organization you know if you go check on the protest side of income people people carrying their own resources to the ground and supporting the movement by their own even though there are international organizations night boys a couple to hong kong but that doesn't mean that wrestling financially organized or organized patiently it is a false accusation and i don't think what you have coined know about the length of benghazi on coming this is a correct description i'm not sure of the hundreds of millions of people whose governments are being destabilized by the naslund of a democracy how given the over the decades would agree tell me about the hong kong democracy council that your on the board of hong kong people asked. organization that focus on. africa if you walk on the u.s.
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so it does not directly involved in the local ground protest in hong kong right but it's called the hong kong democracy council and it seems to have direct links to lobbying in washington for laws that suggest unless hong kong enact legislation that helps washington there should be u.s. sanctions on china as well i say. call rationale behind though it's when china is found out to. commit itself to the promise off on the british on declaration well it's a code it accountable because the declaration is timed by british and chinese government and it is tabled in the united nation so my was talking about the professional treatment of hong kong that is a major premise of that which is hong kong remains autonomous so if home going
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under the direct autocratic control from china it is just an ordinary chinese city so why the well should all the professional comment on call i think this is the logic behind the i don't i don't think the way to come to use the use of words and the rationale behind. hong kong human rights and democracy that help the discussion except is not the will do that it's a tiny minority of countries nato countries that when talking about most of the world isn't making a big fuss about this hong kong act and perhaps they see that it is absurd that china should abide by us legislation over what is part of its country i think that is also and all the false protection to last the act because the act is about where the u.s. should continue to give preferential treatment to hong kong which from the
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perspective of china that could possibly be the internal policy of the u.s. in meddling on an issue and we have to understand that that international status of hong kong is being recognized by the intent of coming in to be a spy they have to show that they remain strong rule through all and all told me so that the trust is on the system but if his hunting i don't adjust to about i don't . just talk about the u.s. ongoing human rights and democracy act which marco rubio lobbied for with george for a long your colleague and samuel too but it clearly says sanctions should be put on china if china does not serve us interests who would sort of act is that i presume you'll be for the exact well i think. that underlay for hong kong people point of view we need to hold tight are comparable and that that's what the welfare. of normal people on the street and on kong is they should be
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a defacto colony of the united states well i don't think that is a direct link off on the nq on the left states and that kind of common cold only you know my set there was the current international affairs absolutely wrong you home call is not under us then that kind of relevant rationing mccann is among the money yet it's being implemented all over the world not only about china is about all the human rights behave owed all the human rights. in the world but i don't think that kind of like the almighty the. current state of mind and i think you're using the wrong comparison to understand what's happening in hong kong because the big act rusher alleging that that is related to nato nation intelligence services tell me why you think we haven't heard more about the we go muslim concentration camps that we did hear of a while back apparently millions of muslims imprisoned and the news seems to have
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disappeared from from. newspapers and mainstream media yeah because hong kong we've got a lot of international media station there and i urge the world that we should continue to pressure to beijing to china and to end the confrontation coming changes which actually to calm protests tough enough are well concerning that. issue i think it's not about imperiling them is all about on the net is about the well they have like accumulating what legitimacy throughout the past decade because well liberal community it allowed them to do so and that's not right you see evidence of these so-called concentration camps apparently comes from the network of chinese human rights defenders backed financed by the us government and homophobic far
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right i call adrian sense there are only 2 pieces of evidence in fact the basis for the accusation that millions of we get is. in concentration camps based on 8 people interviewed by the network of chinese human rights defenders is that propaganda to have you seen the serious of b.b.c. proper and back news. yes absolutely. but it also count people that you counted in well again as i say the evidence for the initial accusations are 8 people you're saying there is no involvement you've had no involvement with anyone involved in u.s. intelligence as regards your role or your colleagues role in the hong kong protest movement. by my colleagues and i have no connection to the u.s. intelligence on any thought of intelligence from around the world we fight for hong kong people's freedom for our own and all young calm people are there's
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a lot of you're safe thank you. thank you i'm out of the show room back on monday 4 years after you get prime minister david cameron resigned after failing to keep britain in the e.u. and overseeing of all of the austerity that led to deaths of the citizens he vowed to protect until the wash your hands join the only got a huge approaches about facebook and instagram. go to work so you straight home.
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