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junior classes, for instance, it does not always, you know, even as the way that you want it to, you will get the classes with like 8 students in them. so you can redistribute them and you have a choice. you can go above the class size ratio or you can open up a whole other class if i have enough money and peel off of all of those 35 that are in that class and this class with 8 start bringing that class up to a bigger size. if i have enough money to do that. i can't do that for every subject and i can't do that for biology or chemistry or algebra one, and the numbers don't work out perfectly and so you do the best that you can and i am going to have these hanging classes and i try to redistribute as best as i can. but it does not work out perfectly and you are never going to get 32, 32, it is going to be odd. >> superintendent, did you want to add to that? it looks like you were getting
excited. >> so, did you get your question answered? >> okay, mr. haney? >> yes, so and thank you for answering my questions before. i sort of wanted to zero in because maybe it would be helpful for me to focus on one particular position and so i am kind of understanding how this operates in practice. and so, for the ten positions for elementary school classrooms in art, so the thinking there is that despite the fact that we are going to get more money and that art is ipriority for our district and we are going to gain an improved fiscal situation next year that we will reduce our total number of art teachers in elementary by ten next year? i mean that would be... what is the likelihood of that? and why is that something that we would sort of make policy around in light of our other priorities and expectations? >> bill, san der son overs see that and aprepared to answer. >> good evening, commissioners.
so realize that these numbers that we turned in and was published and all of the above many days ago. and it did not just happen this evening. and in light of the fact that we had additional allocations for the pete budget at the end of last week and so the staff is literally working on looking at pete allocations and everything right now this week and so we have to be on the safe side, and put the numbers there. and they may change. when we finish working on the pete allocation budget but we have to get through that process first. in addition, specifically with elementary arts, we have art is a unique situation just as secondary. science is unique in the fact that art has credentials for a specific discipline. so, for example, you have
visual arts and you have a credential and that may cause complications because we don't know which schools are going to request at this point in time so we don't know if they will want an additional one day of music or one day of visual art and a day of drama or what. so we have to wait to get through some of those decisions before we can have final numbers. for example, last year, we under predicted in art. and so, we from central office had to carry two art teachers throughout the year. and so you know we tried to get it as close as we can possibly get it and use, you know, the experts and take their advice, but we tried to get it as low as we possibly could and this is the number that we came up with. >> are you satisfied mr. haney?
>> yeah. although, i did want to bring up because i asked it in the first question the point about rainy day funds. so i will say rainy day fund if we could have an answer into how that plays, i know that some of the folks would not be covered like the sig, but kind of how that plays into our consideration. >> well, i think that the connection exists, but, it is probably not as in our thinking, it is not as mapable to this set of positions that are on the resolution. so, for example, if we were to not receive the rainy day fund, then, more of the secondary
single subject positions would probably stand. i mean the layoffs would actually need to go through. and we would be able to rescind more if the rainy day funds do come through and so those positions, i think there is a connection to. the sig, i don't think that there is a very close connection between the sig positions and the rainy day reserve. although as the superintendent said, we are actually hoping that many of the individual employees, in these positions that are on the resolution, will actually be candidates for other roles within the district. with respect to the counselors and social workers and i think that there are 23 positions in the resolution that fall under one of those two classifications at all three levels, elementary, middle and high school.
that too is trying to be conservative about the classifications that the numbers of classifications we may have between counselors, social workers and nurses. so we may be feeling these increases in the ftes for nursing support compared to what we have now and my guess is that over all, we will see now fewer than and probably more than the current number of ftes in those three classifications but we may see a need to decrease ftes and social workers or counselors in order to have a or to offset, or partly offset the increase in nurses so that is about realignment more so than funding from the rainy day or from other sources. and mr. shruet is the expert in that regard. if you want to know more about
that. >> superintendent >> i would add to that and a reminder that the school improvement grants afforded us 90 ftes and we have a commitment to the tenured folks and we are going to be looking to make sure that they fill in many roles across the schools and so for the 35, 36 folks that are non-tenured, we certainly hope that there is a role for them moving forward. you asked about groups of employees that is one large portion of them. the other since we are talking about student support and that is a critical area. there are other grant funds, and you know, associate superintendent can talk about a couple of examples of those that also account for groupings of categories of employees. do you want to talk about urms as an example? >> so not to confuse things here. but we have several funding
sources, so we also have dcuf and that funds the wellness executive and so understand that a wellness coordinator and we had several of them, at 20 wellness centers it could be either a social worker or a counselor. we don't know what next year's wellness coordinators will be. but even though it is funded by dcif it comes into our district and has our own resource code and those are district employees and those social workers and counselors who are actually wellness coordinators are district employees and so that is where predicting next year's and that sounds like it is very difficult to predict. we have the early response to the health services, av 3632 and used to be 3632 and we funded social workers and we cannot predict for next year. we have medical and nurses that are in the reimburse amount funding this year and now predicting what we are going to
fund out of that because we don't know what the application will be for next year. we have a counseling grant that is ending on june 30th, 2013 and that counseling grant is funding two counselors and six social workers. we do have a disproportionalty that exists in the district right now and we have far more social workers who are also lfps they are the same thing, far more social workers than we have nurses. so which is okay, and we have given the schools sometimes the choice upon reflection we have noticed that we have perhaps not enough nursing support at say the middle school level. where we have maybe 1.4 ftes for all of the middle schools and we have 24 social workers. so we need to... i show an increase in nursing which you don't know on your allocation we need to increase and open
more nursing positions. we need to bring in some and we need to reduce the proportionalty between nurses and social workers. safe passages. we ended that and had that last year and that was several social workers and the counseling grants are sending education and $1.6 million grant is ending this year and i want to say with respect to the grants. i know when we enter into the grants, we enter into them knowing that they are going to end. and there is this (inaudible) in the grant. every time that it ends, what are we going to do to fill that grant that is ending, that is kind of working against. it is not the intent of the grant to then get a grant and then make it be district's responsibility to continue that grant. and that is certainly what i say within my department. when the nutrition education project goes site coordinators are phenomenal at the school and i just want to give a shout
out to them. but when that grant ends in june, it is $1.6 million that several coordinators at the schools they will be greatly missed but we knew that grant was ending and of course we are going to look for any other opportunities to bring them back into the schools because we have a new vendor and so it is things like that. we will always have grants ending. and we want to put them on the shoulder of the school district. >> thank you. i just wanted to ask a follow up to that. i know or appreciate the explanation because it is helpful to us who have just heard in that conceptual way, the fewer social workers and more nurses. i do ask the question do we have an idea of where we are going to get them from because the school nurses are kind of rare with the double credentialing requirements and that was why or how we ended up
with the lsp category in the first place is that there is a shortage of credentialed schools social workers and counselors too. so, when we have the pete money and wellness money we could not necessarily, i don't know if we are restricting ourselves, i mean, i understand that by saying, okay, what we want to do is to, which i really appreciate the way that you explained it. address this disproportionalty against a service that we think that we need more of and with the same resources we have to have fewer of these. we are not locked into that if we can't get the nurses we can always have the social workers, or whatever support personnel is deemed by the district since this is the centrally allocated things to be able to address the students support needs. so i guess, i just think that
that should be said that this is a concept that we think is a good direction in which we want to move. but we may or may not be able to accomplish that and we and therefore, the public will be kept apprised of that. >> thank you. >> commissioner mendoza? >> i forgot what i was going to say. so, this is always that march stamp that we do. and it is processes con voluted and we work on exceptions which makes zero sense, it is a required time frame that never matches our planning. and looking at you, this is... this is this. you know? and i think that the other added piece that we have to or that we are up against a wall and we need to be caution.
and that the out come of that will look like, which we are what now? 6 days away from that or four days away from that? and, we are not feeling like we are on the steady ground despite the prop 30 and some of the other wonderful things and thanks to our voters. i think that it is fair to say that our commitment to labor is to minimize our layoffs as we always try to do every year, year in and year out. and the ininstruction that you get from us is continuing to be just that. is that we want to minimize it and the whole idea that we could do no layoffs would be
ideal. again, a commitment from the board will be to look under every rock and understand how funding relates to the continued success and progress of our students. and i think that we always have that in mind when we go through this process. and that is it is not a comfortable process to go through. and you know, again this required time frame makes it very difficult for us to do what we have to do and so i just wanted to openly put out our commitments as a board and i think that we have demonstrated that as a board time and time again and we will continue to work hard to find funding to make things happen and to really look at the best way to follow our strategic plan in order to ensure success for our kids.
>> i thank you, and i just want to say that every year that i have been on this board and i tend to vote for this layoff notices and it is always really hard and i will say that it is very, very hard to send out over 500. so, i am just glad to see that the numbers are down and while it is not easy to still vote for this, i think that it is better than knowing that we are sending out over 500 notices in the past and that was a really hard thing to do because we know how disruptive it is to a person's life when they receive one of these notices. so i just want to i guess on behalf of this board is that it is a difficult situation and i'm glad that we are all here to make that decision together. and thank you to the staff for cutting down these numbers so that we are not being out
hundreds of layoff notices >> thank you. >> miss ly? >> i just like to ask if the rainy day fund is included in all of this budget or if it is calculated into this or not? >> so i will just say again, that the rainy day reserve, if we do not get the rainy day reserve, then it makes it more likely that some groups of these positions will remain on the layoff list, and if the rainy day reserve funds do come through, that we will be in a better position to rescind some of these positions, the layoffs of some of these positions but it does not apply equally to all groups. i think that the groups that is most true for is the secondary and little school and high school single subject positions that are on here i think that there are a total of 46 of
those and on the flip side, there are that it is not as tied to the funding or that state of the positions that are funded on the school improvement grant. so if we get the rainy day fund, or we don't get the rainy day fund, i don't think that we would or the staff will recommend keeping in place in the exact same place all of the positions that are supported by sig because that is not the direction that we are moving in. we are transitioning to a post sig, set of strategies. >> thank you. anybody else? >> commissioner murase? >> thank you, president norton. >> before i make my comments, i just wanted to note that i truly appreciate our student
delegates participating in this process and your questions, whether they are absolutely. [ applause ] >> whether your questions were you know, to me, or to our parliamentarian or to the staff it does beg the understanding that our young folks, younger than me, young people in this school district know about this process and care about this process and have questions, i am sure that there are many, many questions at school sites for our high schoolers and even elementary students, and they just go unanswered. so, what i would like to request is as we have these beginning discussions that somehow the superintendent carranza and mr. bush man you can figure out a way to speak with the sac body as they are representative of the sites and they can take information back
to the schools so that they can also better understand what is happening and sort of get their minds of what is going on in the big picture and also at their schools. i think that it is evident and so i would hope that that conversation can be crafted and we can work out something like that. because i believe that there is an opportunity here and we don't want to pass it by. >> invite us and we will be happy to come. >> i appreciate that very, very much. and again, thank you for your questions. >> my comments are just going to be brief. because as every year that we do this, i am not only ever faithful, but assured from past experience that i have seen you and your department and all of sfusd staff work through all of the numbers all of the positions and all of the
possibilities and probabilities that we can bring the people back into sfusd as employees. and that for me, is the reassurance that i have of your ability to do the work that you do. and that the superintendent here is committed to that. and we as board members are vigilant over that, but just the dynamics of the way that it is, and i appreciate our labor partners reminding us and we are here and we did not go away, every facet saying, we are watching as well. and however, it gets down, however the nooks and crannies and ask the people would you do this job and will you take this position and they say yes, great, that is another name rescinded and happy to hear that information from you when you give us updates about where we are. and so, for those reasons, and
again, it is my belief and faith that we will continue to do that and that i am going to vote as i do. which is hoping that we can find other ways and we will find ways and the members that we bring back are people will be great and those folks who will choose to leave us absolutely understand why because the uncertainty is unbearable and hopefully we minimize that as quickly as possible. my only comments. president norton, thank you. >> thank you. >> any further comments from board members? questions? >> seeing none, this is a very difficult vote for all of us, every year. i don't think that anybody wants to be here. and i am looking forward to the day where we do not have to take this vote. i have faith that that day is
coming some day. but not today. could we please have the roll call one at a time. on the first resolution to decrease the number of certificated employees due to reduction in particular kinds of services. >> ly? >> no. >> wong. >> no. >> fewer. >> yes. >> haney. >> no. >> maufaus. >> no. >> murase. >> aye. >> wynns. >> yes. >> four ayes. noe. now we will have roll call on establishing the order of seniority for those with employees with the same day of service. >> ly, yes. >> wong. >> yes. >> fewer. >> yes. >> haney. >> yes.
maufas yes. >> wynns, aye. >> nor. >> seven ayes. >> roll call on reduction of para professionals. >> ly. >> no. >> wong. >> no. >> fewer. >> yes. >> haney. >> no. >> muf in >> no. >> mendoza. >> yes. >> murase. >> aye. >> wynns. >> aye. >> norton. >> yes. >> four ayes. >> roll call, on the resolution regarding reduction in the number of early education department employees. >> it was five ayes. i am sorry. >> thank you >> roll call on the last resolution. >> thank you. >> ly in >> no >> wong. >> no. >> fewer. >> yes. >> haney.
>> no. >> maufas. >> no. >> mendoza. >> yes. >> murase. >> aye. >> wao*ins. >> aye. >> norton. >> yes. >> five ayes. >> okay. >> we will actually if i can if there is no disagreement i would like to take item r out of order they are in the audience and i want to try to get them out of here before 9:00 if we can. >> urging the board of education to evaluate the quality and accessibility of credit recovery programs. >> may i hear a motion >> so moved. second. >> thank you. >> would any of the authors like to read the item into the record? >> it is the first reading. >> what am i talking about. >> sorry. >> absolutely. i am not paying attention here.
so i am going to call the public speakers on this item. generally, when an item is introduced for the first reading, is there a problem? >> excuse me... >> pardon me. thank you. >> president norton. >> we just needed a board member to second the resolution. >> yes, noted. >> mendoza did. >> you sounded so youthful. >> all right. she is very youthful. >> all right. i have three speakers signed up for comment on this item. i'm going to call your names if you will please assemble at the podium, generally when an item is introduced for a first reading, we allow 5 minutes total so i am going to allow five minutes of public comment and you may use that as you
wish. >> sin claire, ariel euw and veango please tell me how to produce this. >> it is a beautiful name. >> poumopeou? >> thank you. >> approach the podium and so collectively you have five minutes. >> hello. my name is ariel eu and i am a sophomore in high school and i am also on the youth commission and in part of the education committee that is joint with the youth commission and we work to write and explore the topic on credit recovery programs evaluation. so first of all we would like to thank the board of education commissioners sandy fewer for supporting this resolution and the board for your time and work on highlighting student
achievements. unfortunately, members, sin claire could not be here she had to leave, so youth commissioner, nicholas perskey is going to take her place. evaluation is important because a lot of hard work has gone into getting funding for these increased in credit recovery options this semester. and every one honored this work. evaluating credit recovery options will help us to identify what works and what does not work and help us plan what credit recovery options will be able in this coming summer. we want to make sure that the credit recovery is not only accessible to all students but effective as well. i think that it is important that the students take advantage of this opportunity of credit recovery programs and be able to graduate. we encourage that the sfusd have the more robust evaluation and success rates of the program from this semester and hopefully include the student feedback in the evaluation. every student at all high schools should have the same credit recovery options and
increase the assistance to help them graduate. thank you for your time. >> hi, my name is paer and i am a senior at george washington high school and also a member on the youth commission, i would like to thank the board of education for your time and work in highlighting how to best support students here in san francisco. i'm speaking on behalf of this item as i think that it is important because it will help the credit recovery program become more efficient and it will help to see whether the program is working for students because we all know that we all learn in different ways, so like students may be learning like they may be able to learn better with a teacher as opposed to a different student, learning wi independent study. so it will insure that students needs are being met and also that it will be able to continue in the future. thank you again