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>> ladies and gentlemen the chairman has called the meeting to order. please, turn off your electronic devices. and please rise for the pledge of allegiance. >> [pledge of allegiance] >> commissioner turman i like to call roll call turman here, mazzucco present, marshall present, dejesus is excused. tran laura present melara
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present, ong hing present. a quorum is present. also with us tonight is chief of police william scott and the director of the department of police accountability joyce hicks. >> all right. thank you. ladies and gentlemen, and members of san francisco public, welcome to the wednesday, april 5, 2017 san francisco police commission meeting. tonight's meeting will be primarily devoted to a-many of the personal backlog disciplinary issues we need to deal with but we will be open in the beginning to some comments on specific areas. with that in mind, secretary kilshaw would you vote for scott the line item >> item number one press presentation of certificate mr.
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j allen dikeman will be presented with a certificate of appreciation for coming to the aid of a sergeant who is doing with an individual attempting to grab the firearm of the sgt. >> good evening. >> good eveningccommissioners. dir. hicks did chief. thank you so much for taking time tonight to recognize what is truly a heraldic heroic event by citizen coming through your international airport on november 4, 2016. a man who just happen to be in the place he was meant to be at the time where something was happening and unlike others do not stand by but really stepped up and saved one like we know of and perhaps many others. the man is sitting right here today. i just want to take a few minutes to kind of explain the scenario of what happened and bring him up so you can recognize him. so, as you know we police the
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international airport. it's better than 5100 acres of property. there is 24 international gates and 71 domesticate service and 58 airlines to come and go from your airport. there are nine train stations to police and there's also that includes a bart station so there's a lot of coming and going at the airport. in fact 53 million passengers went to that airport in 2016. on any given day there's thousands, tens of thousands of employees, 36,000 employees down at the airport was a very active nonstop 24 seven environment and at the end of the day it's a wide-open campus. so people from the public come and go whether they're dropping people off or whether they happen to end up there. the men and women to police that they know we get people from all over the spectrum of the world coming in a lot of our job is customer service, making sure people get where they need to go. reuniting people with their family getting them to the proper gates, getting the property back to them and then
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preventing and intervening in criminal situations. one of the men that posted on there is jim wilson he's a 22 year veteran for the police department. he learned his community policing in the tenderloin and the terrible up here in the city. he's either a former k-9 officer who served with the station down at the airport and he was promoted to sgt.and left us for a while but in june 2014 he returned him to the airport to provide guidance and leadership as a sergeant jim, i've known since willie his second year in the business because he came to a station that i was at so i've seen him grow throughout the years and he did tremendous asset to the department because he really takes the time to get to know people. very caring, open approachable presence and that works very well for us at the airport and as a sergeant, he leads that way. he gets that from his troops. but it's a tremendous large property that we police in a sergeant cannot
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sit on their heels and they're always walking throughout the terminal. on this particular day, jim was walking just going from the international terminal into the domestic terminal. when he noticed a man that stood out to them that looked in obvious distress. as a 22 year cop, he knew the signs. he knew someone just wasn't looking right and a lot of times people at the airport and up there and they're just lost her they become separated. they are confused. so we'd first try to engage this person in conversation may contact to establish something but that was no response. the man just kept moving. so then jim asked on the air is there anyone who's missing this person. he gave a description do we know this is lost individual that it just ended up-there was no affirmation of that so we continued walking with him in and actually having just viewed
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the video again today you can see jim for over three minutes walking with this man continuing to try to talk to them, continuing to ask them questions to try and help him to try to determine what he needed. but the man had a fixed stare and does not engage with him. does not talk to him. so as the contact progressed they were came across the path of mr. dikeman and his wife were just returning from an international trip and were just hoping to get to their enacting flight so they could go home. despite being tired from what could've been a full day of traveling, mr. dikeman noticed this interaction between the sgt. and the subject. he noticed that the gentleman the sgt. was doing with just wasn't all there and he actually thought to himself, that man has thousand yard stare. so he kept his eye on him even though he and his wife were continuing on their way and as jim and the gentleman moved into the domestic terminal
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the subject turned to jim and made a declaration that really set the tone for the rest of the encounter. he just directly said to the sgt. i want to die. he moved right into grab the sgt.'s gun from his holster. so in addition to being under physical attack in jim's head must have been the thought that goes through all our heads, that this is a person who is desperate to this the person whatever's going on in his life this is going to be a fight that i must win because his intent is for himself to die and there's many ways that can go badly for everyone around. so jim had to protect himself. he had to protect this man and he had to protect everyone around him. he knew he had to get into this confrontation get the confrontation erupted rather quickly with this man intent on going after the firearm. now mr. dikeman by this point had passed where the
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encounter was but he kept his attention on it and he saw this turned into a fight that quickly went to the ground and he saw what was going on and even though he knew that this man was clearly troubled, and that this was a very violent confrontation that this was an officer under attack and he knew how dangerous that could be, he moved right into position to help. he took direct action that saved our sergeants life, save this gentleman's life and save the lives of the people around because there were other people in and around could you can see them on the video many of them for whatever reason, continue to move about their business. none of them step up in a way that esther dikeman did. he not only approached from a safe direction which i don't know people think about that but he really did tactically approach quite well and he got himself in a position where jim was on the ground fighting by the with this minimum pleading with him to stop resisting and you just surrender, he jumped in and put his full weight on the man. it was only because of that that
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they were able to keep him contained on the ground. the struggle had gone on for a full minute by now. the time it took mr. dikeman to move from where he was into a position and get on top of it continued for another minute. so i don't know how to express just how grateful i was as the chief looking at that and seen somebody who's a friend, who is a huge talent and as such was and who is just trying so hard to help someone to have someone step forward and say i'm going to be that person to help you i'm going to get this contained with you. five other officers arrived and it took the sum total of them to help control this person safely to get them into custody safely to put them in a position of recovery to get into the medical attention he needed and then further down the line but mr. dikeman stepped back when he knew there was other help. he stayed in the area and gave statements
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about what had happened and made sure that everyone was okay. i know it was important to him that jim was okay. so that is really one of the most truly heroic things i've ever seen someone do who could have for all things just gone about his business and said, as others probably did, well the police will handle it were someone will handle it but that's not this man. we are very fortunate so thank you for recognizing him tonight. i believe, we have a certificate for him. >> thank you. [applause] >> i will read it out loud to
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everyone can hear it. mr. dikeman, on behalf of the police department i like to read the certificate of appreciation. in deepest gratitude for your performance about sending bravery and service to others, and great personal risk such an example of bravery is worthy of the highest esteem by the san francisco police department. thank you for your service. >> [applause] >> i would just like to say how honored i was to be able to help a cop in need. so it did not seem like a very big deal to me at the time and this is going to go on my wall and home . [laughing] thank you very much. >> thank you >> thank you [applause]
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>> mr. dikeman, sgt. why don't you take a few pictures as well. >> he did bring his wife and mother. >> yes. >> mr. dikeman who did you bring with you tonight? >> [inaudible] >>[photograph] >> [applause] >> mr. dikeman, can you come back to the podium, please?
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commissioner tran laura >> thank you so much for what you didbut i am curious did you make your connection? >> we did, yes >> okay. >> do you live in san francisco? >> no. we live in portland. >> you came down for this? yes, we did >> thank you so much. >> thank you so much. i have to say, there are so many people as deputy chief schmidt said that just would've said someone else will handle it and they would've walked away. we appreciate your courage. we appreciate your sense of citizenship. we depend on people like you and on behalf of this commission and the people of san francisco, i think you so much for caring so much. >> i appreciate it so much it i have children and a lot of coworkers and they will tell you i don't like a lot of
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nonsense. [laughing] >> you are not done yet. first of all thank you for bringing your beautiful family with you on behalf of the commission i want to thank you for what you did this day a lot of anti-police rhetoric. thank you for supporting our office if it means a lot to us as a commission to it means a lot to the public means a lot to our officers think the sgt. for your service and i want to thank you for the way you handled that. this could've ended up a lot differently and the way you handled it say probably your life that of the individual you are dealing with so we thank you for your service. mr. dikeman, really appreciated. thank you. >> thank you so much >> i like to add my congratulations and thanks as well. my thanks as well. we are looking forward to your returning to san francisco many many times. [laughing] >> commissioner marshall >> just to add to it, sir, for me i live in a world of it's
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not my business and i do want to get involved, so just thank you for being a good samaritan. that's what the world needs. >> we are all citizens. so we have a responsibility and obligation. everywhere. but we certainly have it here on our home ground to pay attention to what's going on around us and to protect what we hold dear. so- >> thank you. [applause] >> commission on next line item >> item number two discussion and possible action on selecting a commission parliamentarian, action. >> all right. as i've been reminded, we don't always follow our rules. we certainly
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during our commission retreat we had a long discussion about the rules. we were shown some important information about our rules and so therefore we're going to take this step of making sure following the rules from here on out. certainly, this item is [inaudible] possibly me [laughing] i can sometimes [inaudible] but we need someone to mind us and keep us on track. so, with that in mind, i'm ready for discussion. >> yes. based upon what we discussed in our retreat and we do need a parliamentarian and we have a naturalness commission so before we move into public comment on it, i would love to nominate nominate sonja melara who's been our unofficial parliamentarian to be our official parliamentarian. >>
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>> second. >> any other comments, commission us before we go to public comment on this? >> yes. with all due respect, i want to speak against the establishment of such a position i don't think it's necessary. i think if we exercise common courtesy toward each other as i've seen this group exhibit mostly, that i think that we do fine. we are all familiar with the rules of parliament and i think that we do fine and we don't need that kind of extra formality. so i speak against the motion. >> okay. any other further comment? okay. public comment. >> public comment on this item? >> yes. >> public comment possible action in selecting a commissioner parliamentarian michael petrella's. i wish that
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there were some information here on the agenda as to why this item is on the agenda. why do you need a commission parliamentarian? i feel you have plenty of layers of bureaucracy, transparency, and how to run yourselves. so i think you really owe us an explanation. this commissioner ong hing raised his objections for his own reasons really, why do you need this commission - excuse me - why do you need-that's a question, too. i think we ask once in a while why do we need this commission, but i misspoke. why do you need a parliamentarian is my question . thank you. >> thank you. further public comment? hearing on public comment is close. >> [gavel]
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>> all right. we have before us a motion that's been moved by commissioner trends massey second by commissioner marshall. do i need a individual hand vote? okay. roll call vote >> on the motion to elect commissioner tran laura malley commissioner parliamentarian turman aye mazzucco aye marshall aye dejesus is excused. melara aye ong hing ong hing nay the motion passes, 4-1. >> okay. thank you. commissioner melara is duly elected commissioner parliamentarian. next item, please >> item number three general public comment the public is
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now welcome to address the commission regarding items that do not appear in tonight's agenda but are within the subject matter of the jurisdiction. under police commission rules of order during public comment either police or dpa personnel or commissioners are required to respond to questions presented by the public that may provide a belief response. divisional commissioners and police in dpa personnel shall refrain however from entering into any debate or discussion with speakers during public comments. please, limit your comments to two minutes. >> all right. public comment is now open.>> hello. michael petrella second. just a few months ago down the hall to sunshine speeded task force ruled against this commission for how you conduct general public comment. my complaint had to do with the september commission meeting where i was interrupted by susie loftis
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because i was naming the acting police chief at the chief by name you have to deal with the first amendment and respecting the first amendment and not interrupting speakers during public comment. rachel will fill you in on that. what i want to discuss this evening in addition to changing how you conduct public comment is i want the representative from the office of citizen complaints and the chief to no longer sit on the dais. there has to be a very symbolic and actual separation from the commission and the department, and the occ. as i see right now, there are no nameplates in front of the chief, or in front of the occ representative can that is because they are not members of the commission. only members of the commission should be seated on the dais. it is very important. it is beyond symbolic
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that the chief and the director of occ are not sitting on the dais. that they are either in the audience or they are in the wells. i want this matter considered for a future agenda item. yes, we need the chief here. yes, we need the occ rep here in the room, but the dais should be seated with only the commissioners. i think if we have that, and if you have a discussion about it, it will bring some more accountability to how the commission has to oversee the department and the chief. thank you. >> okay. just for the record, ms. hicks is the director of the department of police accountability now. not-we no longer have an occ. but that was what mr. petrella was referring to. good evening ms.
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brown >> good evening. >> would you like the ordered? >> yes. i would like to use the overhead. i am here again as i come here every wednesday. you guys here at city hall [inaudible] and just bring you up awareness about homicides and trying to get some of these homicides solved including my sons homicide. i just want people to listen out there. to know that,-that we are still working-i can't was waiting for
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his picture to show. >> there it is. >> yes. his name is aubrey abrakasa. he was murdered at the age of 17 years old. he died saving someone else's life. he hollered out and said, run and when everyone ran, my son was the only one left and so they used him as their target for opening his mouth. i want to say today is the fifth right? tomorrow is his birthday. so i'm not really feeling some kind of way. you know, i've chatted a few tears, but his birthday is tomorrow and i don't know how i'm going to feel , but this is something i need to do here today to let you know that holidays, christmas,
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his birthday, all these things still come up for me even though it's been many years. so , i'm saying this because i still have no closure. i still have no closure concerning my son, and you know and bring about other homicide victims. these homicides are not solved either. i want to bring up, to my son was a good boy i to walk across the stage and receive his diploma. he had a father and a mother and we are no longer together because we blame each other for our son's murder. this is all i have left of my son and i want people to see my pain, not cure my pain. this is his father. his father is from nigeria. he is in a lot of pain, but he doesn't show it is much as i do. i want to let
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people see this this is what i've left of my son. this is what keeps me going and i know people don't like looking at it but this is for me. please, solve the homicides. for our children. >> thank you ms. brown. if anyone has any information about the death of aubrey abrakasa and you are listening and you are here the anonymous tip line is 415 the anonymous tip line is 415575 the anonymous tip line is 415-575-4444. please, get in touch if you have any information at 415 please, get in touch if you have any information please, get in touch if you have any information at 415-575-4444. next member of the public to please. seaweedpublic comment is closed >> [gavel] >> i'm >> item number four public
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comment on all matters pertaining to item 6 close session. >> okay. so, before we begin public comment, as i said at the beginning of the meeting it primarily tonight we are devoting-[inaudible] we are devoting this meeting primarily to cases on our disciplinary and personnel matter issues. so, we will be going into-i'll be intestate will be going into closed session after public comment, but public comment on going into closed session is now -as well as the items on the agenda, is now open. mr. petrella's. >> just general public comment? >> no. this is public comment
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on whether or not we can go into closed session. mr. petrella's. >> hello michael petrella second i am again going to ivan done this in the past and i'm going to do it again can i'm objecting to you going into closed session regarding disciplinary matters. every time you go into closed session about disciplinary matters, you do away with transparency. you do away with accountability of complaints against cops. every time you go into closed session, what i see is special privileges given to cops. spafford special privileges that i was never given when i was accused of crimes and anyone who's accused of crimes in the city and across america, we don't get the right to closed sessions like the cops get. it really does a disservice to community policing
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in all of the good you are trying to do with reforming the san francisco police department that complaints are lodged against cops for potential violations of various codes and statutes, and we don't even get to know their names. we don't get any information about the hearings. that is not right. it is undermining all of the good you are trying to do. i also have to file a public records request because i believe, there may be a way to get your minutes you are keeping minutes, i believe, of what happens behind the closed doors. it is time to see if the section of the sunshine code will apply to a request for your minutes of what you're discussing. i believe that the
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allow for such a request after a six year period. in any event i'll file the request and we will take it from there please, don't go into closed session. thank you >> for members of the public listening at home and folks in the audience we don't go into closed session because we want to hide anything we don't want to be transparent. there are state laws that require us to go into closed session and what mr. petrella was nodding his head, yes, i wish he had added we are mandated to [inaudible] supreme court decision not to disclose certain information. if we could, provide certain information i will be gladly do it. go to your legislators we have to follow the law. not only do we have to follow the law because were citizens of california but most of us are lawyers and we are bound to follow the supreme court precedents. we are officers of the court as well. so it is not
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that we are hiding anything. so, if the status changes will be glad to change. we are looking at ways to become as transparent as possible but still obey the law. commissioner marshall >> we actually did before the law change,-we actually did do discipline in open session before the law changed. so we only did that because were required to by law by the supreme court decision. but pres. turman says take it up with those who make laws in california and the california legislature and with the supreme court. >> next public comment come up please. see seeing none, public comment is closed >> [gavel] >> i'm please, >> item vote on whether to hold
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items six and close session with san francisco administrative code section 67.10, action. >> so moved. >> second. >> all >> commissioner turman we are back on the record in open session and you still have a quorum. >> thank you. item please, >> item seven vote to elect whether to disclose any or all discussion on item 6 held in close section. action. >> so moved. >> second. >> all those in favor say, aye. [chorus of ayes.] opposed, nay. okay. [inaudible]
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>> item eight adjournment action >> so moved. >> second. >> all those in favor say, aye. [chorus of ayes.] opposed, nay. thank you, we are adjourned. good night. >> [gavel] >> [adjournment] >> >> >> >> the meeting will come to order welcome to the wednesday, april 12, 2017, this is the regular meeting of the of the
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public safety and neighborhood services committee i'm supervisor ronen chair of the committee to my left is commissioner fewer we're expecting supervisor ahsha safai shortly the clerk is erica major. >> thank you phil jackson and nona melkonian for staffing the meeting madam clerk, any announcements? >> >> yes. please silence any devices that may sound off during the proceedings. items acted upon today will appear on the will appear on the april 18th board of supervisors agenda unless otherwise stated. >> can you please call number one, item no. 1 - 170155 - liquor license - 277 taylor street. >> jell to the cutting ball theater sergeant charge is here wednesday, march 20, 2016. >> good morning, supervisors
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you have before you a recorded for the cutting ball theater located at 277 taylor street they have applied for a type 64 special on-sale general theatre liquor license and if approved allows them to off beer and wine and beer for onsite sale no letters of protest and no letters of so forth they're related to in plot 71 of a high crime area in track one 25.02 not credit card a xharntd area the tenderloin station has no opposition the following recommended conditions the consumption the alcohol should be permitted between the hours of 10 to 11:00 p.m. each day of the week and two all service and sale of collaborative's in the
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auditorium should be made from the concession stand or bars or and shall not be delivered by individual vendor known and hawkers and number 3, point of sales of clovnz club houses and notwithstanding conditions 2 and 3 above and only when the theatre is design designated seating alcoholic beverages maybe sold by the water oversees in the seating area under the following cannabis. a only persons occupying seats in the theatre auditorium shall be permitted and served alcoholic beverages and made to
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the waiter or water recessed and the alcoholic beverages shall be personally delivered by the waiter or waitress that took the order and c the waiter or waitress serving isn't theatre auditorium shall not carry alcoholic beverages and number 5 no more than 2 alcoholic beverages shall be sold or served during any contribution and two alcoholic beverages shall be served in containers utilized for non-alcoholic beverages and containers for beer shall not steady 16 ounce and number 7 all the time when the premises exercising this license an employee of the promises shall monitor the activity not but no longer than
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once every thirty minutes and 8 loitering is defined as to stand idly and linger without lawful business that is prohibited on my sidewalk adjacent to the licensed premises under the controlled licenses depicted an absence absent 257, number 9 noise shall national be automobile under the control of the licensee on go abc 257 and number ten the sale of alcoholic beverages for consumption off the premise is strictly prohibited the applicant has agreed with the listed conditions. >> thank you so much any questions. >> i have one question. >> yes. >> you mentioned that alcohol
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sales tax continue 10 and 11 is that 10:00 a.m. >> 10:00 a.m. to 11. >> okay thank you. >> so much sergeant. >> is liz olsen here the applicant of the legislation. >> i did not see here any public comment on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. colleagues do you have any comments. >> no i'll make a motion for the with a positive recommendation. >> okay. seeing none e seeing this is amaze we for the record to the board with recommendatio recommendations. >> item no. 2 - 170272 - liquor license transfer - 708 polk street. >> to s.a.k. bars, inc. dba hotel epik on polk street.
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>> hi. >> sergeant thank you. >> okay. >> good morning, supervisors again, you have the item before you a report located on creelman vs. the department of building inspection at 143 corbett avenue. >> i'm so sorry supervisor safai would like to speak. >> yes. i've not had a chance to look at this, please continue this through the chair. >> is there a time constraint. >> not for us we've presented our recommendations so through the chair. >> not for sfpd. >> if you want to move this to be continued. >> to what date and. >> two weeks. >> madam clerk do you have any. >> as far as time restraints the board has 90 days to respond
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to the phase and passed the 60 days so. >> would you like if it was in two weeks we'll be within the 90 days. >> let me just double check - >> sorry we're checking here. >> i want to continue that. >> is the project sponsor hotel epik here. >> okay. >> i really. >> we have to take public comment so i wanted to find out if you're here yes, we did. >> i'm just seeing if it is possible i'm sorry for the
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delay. >> okay. the 90 days will be june 1, '20 there is time. >> there is time. >> okay. >> supervisor sheehy has made a motion to continue the item i'd like to take public comment on that motion if anyone wants to speak on the continuance you're welcome to do so, now sir, would you like to speak to the continuance. >> okay so is there - do you, you need a reinforcement. >> that's fine this item is continued to our next public safety and neighborhood services committee on what date? and april 26th i believe that
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one will be cancelled from may 3rd and i'm sorry may 10th to may 10th this is continued to the may to the effect of the public safety and neighborhood services committee. >> madam clerk call item 3 ambassador on the short term and long term strategies for the heavy storms that effects cities in district 7, 8, 9 and 11. >> hello mr. kelly thank you. >> can i make opening statements. >> yes. >> oh, i'm sorry yes, please supervisor yee has joined us supervisor yee. >> okay
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colleagues today's hearing is on an issue that effects most of districts of the supervisors that are here today the issue of flooding this year we have experienced heavy rains this has impacted many of the residents in district 7, 8, 9 and 11 and in the neighborhoods district the upper great highway pine lake neighborhood and in district 7 the 15 avenue area and ingleside terrace neighborhood and just neighborhood in sunny side neighborhood across over to district 8 and 11 the terrace cayuga in district 9 and the folsom area much of the
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flooding is exasperated by the geography of the neighborhoods i've heard from my residents it dealt with flooding in their homes and felt their frustration because as a property owner nothing more frustrating that is that is actually in a low lying flood area we want to thank my colleagues many who are sitting on that committee and joined the hearing today core co-sponsor sponsoring that supervisor tang and supervisor fewer and supervisor safai and supervisor ronen i also want to thank the many residents from those effected neighborhoods that have contracted our offices over the years as well as those that are here today and taking time out of your day or work to come
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today to see how flooding has affected their homes i believe as a city and county our members with can implement short term and long term plans to maintain the flooding in the impacted neighborhoods citywide i've been meeting with the business school and public utilities commission for several months to discuss the short term and long term plans for flooding mitigation and sewer improvements and want to thank the general manager harlan kelly and the project manager stephanie to present those plans i'd like to have general manager harlan kelly present. >> good morning, supervisors just want to take the opportunity to talk about the flooding today as you'll see this is a complex
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topic with a long history we're going to provide you with information you requested today with long term and short term strategies that addresses flooding but first i'd like to set the stage by telling you we understand flooding is a tremendous burden for those residents and businesses that are impacted in the pockets of city where needing occurs it is disruptive to lives and livelihood and we really want help we have looked at every everything we can do from an engineering stand point to minimize flooding i want you to understand with the significant ratepayer dollars invest we plan to make there will always be a storm larger in the same neighborhood that will continue to flood
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and if we get a bigger storm than our types can say handle we want to make sure our residents and businesses are aware of their flood risks and have the resources at the disposal to take objections e actions to protect their property we're developing a suit of options for property owners to make the easiest possible to protect their investment this partnering between city and the property owners will help everyone to be more prepared for what mother nature brings our way i want to pass it over to stephanie harrison with the san francisco public utilities commission project manager to present on the progress we made to combat flooding in san francisco
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stephanie. >> good morning, supervisors and my name is stephanie harrison i'm a project manager for the san francisco public utilities commission can we get the slide on the screen you've asked for a long term and short term solutions so that's exactly what we'll cover. >> excuse me - do you have an extra copy. >> can i have one, too? >> thank you.
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>> okay so in san francisco a combined collection with surveillance and flows about the same pipes and conveyed to the treatment flagrant before the epa run off or stormwater the largest former of pollution in the united states when our 12r789 hit the ground running it is loiter and nothing you've seeing on market street comes into the inclined system we treat over 95 percent of the water that hit the ground running in san francisco our pipes are predominantly for stormwater in dry weather their by and when enough rain to fill the piecemeal it is 99 percent stormwater more than 99 percent stormwater mixed with sanctuary sewage that is in the system and the system is full
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and but with the large capacity in the pipes when the system fills in an intense rain the water can't get if it goes to the lowest lying area needing is 16 minutes a large storm up to an, however, and back into the system when the pathway is available the pipes by out. >> i'll speak from this mike so stormwater is rain that runs overland and sanctuary sewage is it homes and businesses that is in our pipes during dry weather and combined flow the sewage mixes with the pipes our pipes are sized to manage stormwater so ♪ graphic you see this is in the folsom neighborhood the pipes
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their 96 inch pipes large on the streets and in dry weather 6 hundred and thirty gallons her pin a lot of sanctuary flow but when the pipe is full in assigned storm the system is full the water is a exiting the system out of man holes and pipes there is one and 60 thousand gallons per minute running underneath the neighborhood a value of 2 that the plus percent is from sanctuary flow so just to give a perspective the construction in the 1840s a long time and for the first one hundred years the system was built without strong guidance we're aware of by 1941 the 5 year storm was defined by
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1952 there was a requirement in place for new developments to be able to contain the 5 year design storm in the pipes that requirement has retained since >> can you explain that measure of 5 year storm. >> yes. that's a great question so we have over one hundred years of historical dictated of rainfall in the city that data under goes an analysts to look at the probability of different size storms concurring so really i should be calling this one .3 inches of rainfall in 3 hours that is what the density and the duration of a large designed storm but so in a long term average over over the course of one hundred plus years it will come on a long term average once every 5 years but didn't come once in 5 years if
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we have one storm it means on my given year that size will occur so when we talk about you'll hear about a 5 year storm this is a our design i'll be talking about a one hundred year storm comes one time every one hundred years rolling the dice that is in place over one and 10 years in the first part of record we didn't see flashy storms a really dense storm and the second half of the record we see more like on an average basis 9 of them in a 50-year period roughly every 5 years but in the recent years seen more flashy rainfall in a 5 or 15 minute
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period that yes, ma'am lasts a one hundred year even though that is - i use the terminology loosely from our design that is a 1.3 inches of rain for the design is our model of progression of rainfall that trails off to represent a natural event. >> i have one question about when you use the term flooding i want to know the threshold that constitutes the flooding is it quarter of an inch how - when do you you designated as flooding. >> that's a great question. >> when we talk about you'll see some slides on that talks about just water on the streets and hear me refer to the flood risk and flood risk we clarify
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as low, memory and high flood risk and varies your flood risk depends on the land use the building types as far as what property damage so if you have a high density residential with a foot of water that is a high-risk but a parking lot that is like a memoranda to although there are different told her that depends on the land use when i say flooding i'm talking about eninundation and flows on the streets water not getting into the system but flood risk i'm talking about we're talking about usually high and high flood risk yeah. >> i think it is important you explained the 5 year storm
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that's fine over 3 time period of one point whatever inch of rainy think that is important to explain not public that you could have a 5 year risk or a flood situation within 15 minutes so when that happens quam at a rate of constant rain divided into 3 hours or almost like having if you were to use that number the ever 15 minutes the rain that came down - if you extend to 3 hours during the 15 minutes could be like 10 inches of rain what do you mean. >> i don't have that calculation off the top of my
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head the rainfall has a curve associated that represents an storm so it starts off and then the rain peaks and then aside that has the 10 has that shape and one hundred years has a peak 5 minute density or peak 15 minutes density that is 10sh9d with one hundred storm so we could get a storm a one hundred storm in a 15 minute duration that is rains cats and dogs and coordinates to the 15 minute most dense period in a one hundred year storm that is a one hundred year storm even over a 10 minute duration that peaks suddenly and stops and over the duration was not as much rain
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does that answer your question? >> i want to make sure we are clear not only about the 3 hours because that is what happened in the flooding it was a short duration where the rain poured and overtook our system. >> right when we dine is the pipes we have a dynamic model that looks at the storm for a 3 hour storm including the 3 hour peak if we get the one hundred storm peak flows even if for a short duration our pipes can't accommodate all of that water. >> okay. so most recently in the recent last decade or so sfpuc has initiated our sewer
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improvement program as part of the progress we looked at what we'll be providing at the level of service from a historically and moving forward and the 5 year storm is endorsed if 2012 and 2016 and most recently conduct a resince study to evaluate the flood protection policy and each representation represents up to providing protection to a one hundred year storm to protection in a 5 year storm we did a benefit cost analysis that showed the 5 year storm is the appropriate service for the san francisco public utilities commission that is consistent with other services do nationwide seattle and new york and chicago have a 5 year storm as the level of protection in urban areas i want to pause here though and say for those who experienced
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flooding we recognize a significant impact on lives and stressful i - we have to balance that with the fact that flood risk impacts less than one percent of san francisco. >> do you have a question. >> yeah. if you could walk me through the cost analysis i've seen the numbers and what those numbers mean i think that is important to be clear that so - am i seeing $14 billion. >> that's a great question. >> i'm surprised you can see the numbers. >> and individual clarity who pays for that that would be helpful for the different numbers and put them in perspective in terms of what where the money comes from. >> this graph that is shown in the bottom right of the slide not intended not going to walk
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you through the whole fink or thing by the way, can the bottom line is that to get the city up to our 5 year storm level of protection we're already looking spending $2.3 billion to get the city fully you will up to that point if we want a higher level of protection to the one hundred year storm will cost $16 billion and all of those dollars they're not tax dollars they are ratepayer dollars customers residents and businesses paying their sewer bill so - any cost that we're paying to improve flood protection in the pockets of san francisco will hit all the rate payers uniformly to do our
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infrastructure project if i've mischaracterized that i'm not on the finance side so the cost to remedy flooding in large storms are tremendous like $2 billion to get to our 5 year storm and every dollar we spend comes from the homes and businesses paying their sewer bills we have to prioritize carefully we need to balance and strike a balance between building flood protection to benefit the pockets of the city that are flooding with ratepayer affordability citywide we have to do this in the face of other priorities as an organization for the wastewater system as well so the 5 year storm level of service strikes this balance that's what the flood resilience study concluded so supervisor sheehy be i believe to walk you
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through the slide at the end or substantially if you want to understand the study better. >> sorry one more question i know we asked you to keep this to 15 minutes we understand the questions will make the presentation longer than so let's say we decided the right balance to strike was for a 10 year as opposed to to a 5 year and the rate payers so pay the extra money let's pause in the last tomorrow storm that happened where i immediately went to folsom the heart of my district to see the damage and what happened there is what you described earlier that the rain come forward quickly and zen for a short period of time and the flooding happened had we had pipes that could accommodate 10 year storms would that have
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prevented the flooding in folsom. >> not in large storms. >> so that's frustrating because even if we made the investment for a 10 year or 25 jr. or one hundred year storm when we have the dense persdz of rain like lastly that might be solve the problem; is that correct? >> yes. yes. >> general manager piloted if we paid to renovate, upgrade our system to one year storm with the $15 billion have more flood protection for you know large stormsz but in 2004 a 200 year storm so you know there's always going to be a bigger storms like bequeath design the engineers have a standard their assigned and the policy decision for a standard and that's what the engineer carried forward the size of differentiate and the
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duration of shaking that's what you build but a risk a bigger quarter the storms we're facing storms every year but not an earthquake we need to engineer something to have a standard of engineering. >> go ahead supervisor safai has a question. >> thanks i'll wait but on this particular point so you said only one percent of the city experiences severe flooding. >> right flood risk in this is built only what supervisor ronen said if this is the case i'm sure part the city maybe i'm wrong but a higher threshold than a one hundred year storm. >> certainly you parts of the city they can handle bigger. >> my question will be i don't think the right way to look at it is we have to increase the
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city's a capacity to one hundred year storm but focus on that one percent for severe flooding i understand you won't get to a capacity of a one hundred storm i was on the ground but a way to look at we zero on the areas that have the one percent of severe flooding and what is the right threshold in mission terrace and cayuga we'll get the city to 5 years that make sense with no severe flooding we we experience it in the last year's and the global warming is real but increasing at a higher rate our residents are impacted consistently the the right way to look at it what the right they told her to get the areas in the city that sxherns the
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severe flooding to one percent what is that. >> that's a great question but the main thing i'll put out there what level is appropriate whatever investment we make and storm is large those areas will flood if we go to a 25 year storm and say probably less but the thing you, you need to understand you can't build up one area have to convey light water to a entertainment plan have to tear up the streets to get to the treatment plan and up size the pipes all the way not as easy in that one arbitrary we want to say one of the challenges that we're facing when we are looting those neighborhoods where if you want to make a major investment you're talking about during which that ear which will be
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happy because you're investing but tearing up the rest of the city to get to the treatment plant that's the challenge and so or if you want to tunnel you're talking about large dollars value and i think the other challenge we're identified 7 billions of infrastructure needs in the sewer side 2.9 we're investing right now, we're planning to spend about $2300 million in flooding but have the treatment plant we're investing in southeast the same thing 85 percent of that flow goes the treatment plant so we're making that investment so believe me we have unlimited money we can solve the problem but folks that have limits funds so the hard part the balance and so that's where we are where is the balance i'd like to increase the level but as supervisor ronen said if we
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invest in a 50-year storm and it happened like in january 20th it will still flood people will say rain and its flooding i want to i want to put that out there so when we come up with a one solution we understand the level that people should expect that the sewers can stand we'll willing to work with them they live in the low lying area. >> it is kind of like you estimate a project and as you get into the project you come back and make the changes that happens all the time; right? because the changes need adjusting so the infrastructure in 1990 that was whatever and the informing the 5 year and now realize the global warming may not work in those areas you made
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the commitment to zero in what i was saying a way to look at it we're talking about down extreme and the 5 year on alamany you were talking about that so the idea you'll be digging it up a way to adjust the one percent of the system may not be solve for the one in january in that 10 minute window you got that was a one hundred year storm in the 10 minute storm 4 in the morning is there a way your laid out the $2.9 billion to adjust to mitigate the flooding in the areas that are having it. >> so the challenge is that you just can't upgrade the pipe in the middle or upstream because that is that impact the people down stream so realistically you would like to up size your pipe down stream
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and build it up those pockets are in the middle of the city and - so by increasing you have to tear up the street to make things work that's why you come with a policy because when we are replacing pipes down stream or in the middle you have to make a decision and the real decision you should make that we're going to tear up the whole stretch to raise the standard it comes with a significant price tag that will not guarantee that that won't you know people will flood with a bigger size storm that's where the challenge lies. >> so let me - can we cut through the presentation i think what is - might have discussions already and as mentioned by the presenter the
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no way you'll present 100 percent so we're focusing right now and should eventually focus on it more the system itself but i think in the presentation they might be talking about other short-term not - that will minimize and try to minimize the flooding not one strategy and right now, we're focusing on the pipes so if we allow them to finish. >> sure. sure i understand i want you to get the presentation but one question not to move this tread sorry this charter that supervisor sheehy was asking about in the corner the cost to replace the entire system have you done the cost analysis to replace i understand not just the pipes are right where the flooding is but up to
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the line of treatment plant. >> i was going to come back to that to address that question so one of the scenarios not shown in the graph with the hybrid scenario a level of 5 years but then in key corridors of flooding with a step outside the box year flooding we discovered in the process was that the cost to get there looks like almost exactly not exactly but similar to the 10 year level of protection citywide because those corridors that are driving the costs of the citywide policy so we did look at one hybrid scenario 5 years citywide and 10 in the corridors and the costs are almost as the same as the 10 year scenario the corridors are the big corridors in driving the
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costs 3 housing unit $7 billion the blue bar - yeah. not meant to be read we can provide a draft of this whole study too it is available on our website so - >> yes. >> thank you so the next natural question what does the next storm look like if i look at a 5 year designed storm this shows surface indemnification not flood risk eninundation citywide the light blue the historic ohio drawn those are former creeks the way the typography directs the water before a house in san francisco when it rains the way the rain flows about the creeks and marshes and then even if we'll developed the city and the creeks are underground in the
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collection system the typography residences we in filled the bay area so what you see in a 5 year storm there are some pockets of indemnification and some that are two small to show up - once we address those pockets of flooding there will be a a large storm when the storm comes we'll look at the next slide an extreme example a one hundred year storm a long term that comes once in every 10 years it is like rolling the dice what the map shows a lot of
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inundation and it closely follows the storm wastewatero so we'll do a quick dive into neighborhood examples of water shed this is the folsom area the red on the map is 17 and folsom the yellow area the drainage so any drop of water that falls inside the yellow line flows downhill so a large drainage baseline if the panhandle of twin peaks to caesar chavez and to mission the blue owls show - once the water goes underneath the red dot goes to mission creek where the blue dot is the blue all the water that contributes along the way joined with the system all the blue and gold owl shows you all the rainfall that impacts the system that is in the neighborhood.
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>> (laughter) this is why typography is important we'll look at the top part of slide shows a map and the red line a drop of water on the ground that red line that the path it follows underneath there is a profile so you're looking at and standing underground and the ground you see twin peaks on the left and a steep decline and flats out in the mission and gradually slopes to the bay what the gray underground on the ground is the ground and the gray underneath it the pipes after vertical riser is a manhole and it is not a scaled the same not actually that flow but give us a sense of the relative flow and what you see
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that bowl shape at the 7th street and folsom the typography is a goal into there is too many water and this is where the waters ends up and not continues to move along the street and almost too much pressure in the system the water is coming quibble down twin peaks to - the low lying areas where 0 water can come out of the pipes. >> the other example of a water shed is cayuga it is a large drainage area it is a former creek and this yellow owls the drainage area that drains right to the foot of cayuga where cayuga meets 280 and it is 28 hundred acres of drainage so like folsom the next slide shows a run pipe if you
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have a drop of water this is the path you'll follow and the ground surface looks like and the gray is the pipes underneath and the foot of cayuga you'll see the 20s berm shots straight up and creates and bowl shape and cul-de-sack of cayuga. >> excuse me - why is the berm there. >> to support the 280 highway to the south in a large 25 year storms neighborhoods flooding can be severe in 3 cul-de-sack with pools of waters. >> that's down the street from my house i was down there so - >> so the other thing i want to illustrate this is an example of building at the bottom of a
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bowl if the system is full the water exits at the lowest points that is on the sidewalk or the manhole somewhere but some homes have low fishthsdz so if this set up we're showing part of home if this is your home and the system is full the water b will come out in the basement as shown to avoid the basement stack ups the building code requires they allow flow in one direction but not flow in the other direction and these back flows in their covered under the grant program the property owners can install them and get 2k3wrur78d by the puc. >> this last within the manhole covers are falling off. >> water can come out of man
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holes this is street flooding and water can come into the basement that's basement flooding two ways the water can get into the buildings. >> so we try to avoid the basement back up with backflow preventive and adding into the plumbing code and if you do-si-do a renovation you'll be required to install one to get a permit for the renovation and also, we have the grants program that allows the property owners to install them regardless of renovation or not and get reimbursement so we try to avoid the basement through the backhoe but can come out into the street this man holes or who they can surcharge so i go through sewer charging in the next -
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>> so the question is what is sfpuc doing to the long term projects construction projects so i'll walk you through this is the map the city and those 5 dots are projects that are under construction projects in the works or underway generally areas that don't meet the 5 year level of services to bring you them up to the standard and additionally those areas in red asked to report by the supervisors to other neighborhoods we'll be providing information on those i'll walk through this briefly at mangles doing up sizings and street modifications to manage drainage a little bit better and manage flows the construction contract was last month and complete before the next rainy season this next slide to get water that is flo overland to into the
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system into construction now and expected to be completed before the next rainy season 16th street this one has a bigger price tag a slower process we have to be more thoughtful and be more thoughtful how we're doing the projects the other ones were quicker with less dollars amounts that involves - new i think let's along the west portal and contains types into and existing reconvene that is currently unused so on the property itself they have a means right now we get stormwater inundation when it neighborhoods and need to grout the water in there we managed the 5 year storm with the ravine to maximize the investments
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there so we looked at incremental investment with increasing the pipe size of the pipes by one standard size it could be a huge benefit of flood protection up to the 25 year storm to so in the case by case basis we looked at where will say allow hanging fruit to the investment structure so that's what we're looking at and with the engineering phase of this what i by saying this we're not just sticking to a hardline to a 5 year standard if there is an opportunity for the investment for a return we'll consider that. >> can you explain commissioner what you just said it is
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contradictory you make the pipes burn or bigger there and continue to make the pipes bigger throughout the city what you're saying i can make the pipes bigger this outlet to dump the water. >> correct a storage option we're not making the pipers bigger for the championships down to lower reaches but we have we can fill the baseline and take advantage of the fact it is there and unused and not have a further impact down stream that's a good question. >> okay. so the next slide is about the intermission a great area a long-standing flooding issue the documents in the photos from the early 19 hundreds technical changes from
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the top grateful the bowl shapes owe the typography any project is a high cost so with a limited benefits we're benefiting the ifrp mission but during which a long linear path in the mission we don't have a nice large unused basin to store our waistwater because of the large price tag up to $2 million we started with the what are the world of technical - we narrowed down to 15 alternatives we did a full evaluation and more recently narrowed it to too so looking at two options in the order of one and 50 a million dollar to get us to the 5 year storm level of protection so even after the projects will be implemented the area will still
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flood in large storms so that - where we are right now in the alternatives analysis to look at what the option moving forward project options and go into the engineering and design phase and we are curbing funded to the design all the other projects are from the construction design at this time partly we don't know what the costs will be selected. >> so the cayuga and alamany corridor a tough area like folsom we have the difference here is the reminders of the cayuga the levels of service not flood in a 5 year or a 10 year storm so but when it neighborhoods in large storms it is very severe especially right at the cul-de-sack so the caltrain the
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concept we've evaluated to help that cul-de-sack to regrade the caltrans property for the surface water and the support 2w0z by building a wall for a retension area helps to reduce that flood depth in a very large storm with a cul-de-sack former of cayuga we've been talking to caltrans in may of 2015 last month we received a phone call we submitted documentation earlier this year describing the concept we have been deciding and last month they have reservation about the land and the support of their freeway so we're following up with them
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following up with the current time i don't know how time i don't know how that project will move forward at this time down stream a question what does it mean the flood depth. >> so right now if you were in that cul-de-sack and a 25 year storm a large stop came through you'll be looking at three to four feet of floodwater so what we're doing because in a 5 year storm there is no flooding in that area but in a big storm it really it's just really different than what we see in the rest of city. >> i know that i know the area. >> we'll be looking at the project we haven't gone through the whole design by the technical analysis will reduce that flood depth to closure to one and a half flood we're cutting that in half with that said maybe in a storm that was
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really border line flood with the projects is in place it will not touch the houses in a large storm if it touches the houses that will be a lot show willer. >> i understand in the cul-de-sack in a storm i will be standing in a one to two feet of water. >> yes. three to four feet of water. >> a 95 year storm in the cayuga neighborhood i don't know if we have - but i can get back to you on the high storm water. >> so down stream of cayuga after the flows levy cayuga they go go the alamany by the farmer's market and through the
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alamany interchange at 101 that and were didn't meet the level of service so a concept right now to provide better flood control down stream to get to our level of service by it has incidental benefits upstream and reducing the flood depth in large storms in the cayuga neighborhood. >> so would that take care of the foot to foot and a half. >> the same order of performance similar performance. >> so even if. >> in both together might give you a greater benefit but as individual projects they give you about the same level of flood protection. >> but the challenge - the reason this project was in the prioritized as a early project
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because the flooding that occurred is added lower risk and like in lower alamany less homes impacted more of a traffic disruption in the alamany farmer's market some homes are challenged impacted but this - then the challenge is it is streamline hi cost like folsom you endangered the pipes but all the way down to the bay not exasperating the brothers and sisters but that is $350 million in concept level very, very costly we don't have a current implementation schedule for this project. >> just one quick second but this meets our stated goals something our intending to do no
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matter what in our scope of work regardless of the proposal in terms of the costs this down stream gather enlargement. >> you have to meet a 5 year threshold citywide. >> yes. >> just to reiterate this is something that will have upstream benefits on cayuga will take away flooding on cayuga not completely but impact that. >> reduce it that's what i mean reduce it okay. >> okay. then two other neighborhoods that were asked about do the folks want me to walk you through those neighborhoods in supervisor
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tang's district i'm happy to you a do it quickly. >> a sewer behind the homes that was built in 1928 and reports from supervisor tang there have been reports of water coming out of the sewers it was built in 1928 based on those feedback we got from supervisor tang in february in march we conducted a field survey and now in the process today as we speak in cleaning and inspecting the upstairs to understand what the project is doing the boulevard that was an upcoming caltrans to have bulb outs on the boulevard and concerns from the community about drainage that is problematic so we're working with caltrans on this issue and the upper great highway it itself was places in rec and park there section and the
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public works maintenance that the drainage from that drains to the sand not connected to the combined system a lot of time there is standing water caused by sand drifts on the road that causes this as opposed to 0 other types of flooding with low lying areas in other parts of the city a little bit of a different nature on the highway. >> your supposed to be backing up to the one slide in district 4. >> is isn't there a potential k5i7 next to the parking lot or whatever. >> i'm sorry the one on down stream. >> down stream saw oh, yes. i have. >> i think on 23rd a parkway. >> 23rd and that's your question. >> i guess i'm wondering have
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you throughout about the same concept for the other - which is there is a potential k5i7. >> oh, you're talking about the ravine that exists now. >> yeah. there is a parking lot. >> so this area is downhill from 23rd. >> as you mentioned that is downhill yeah. >> okay. so we're offering for short term and long term let's talk about short-term so we have o and m operations and maintenance for responses to storms sewer inspections and cleaning and k5i7 cleaning and
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exceed our goal significantly staffing for the treatment plant and employment we ramp up when rain is in the forecast we delivered over 12 hundred sandbags and during a rain event a 311311 call this is next slide the programs the - to make it as easy for the property owners to manage i'll not walk you through but flood insurance reenforces up to 3000 an example of a type of a project and another inevitable program and paid one and $40,000 in grant and have about 50 thousand in
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the progress we've been in conversation with the applications and also adapt a drain residents can adopt a drain and pledge of allegiance to rake it and keep the surface clean of debris and provided with instructions and tools and a small business relief fund we are partnering with office of economic workforce and development to address the fired but help us to outreach more to flood disasters as well. >> so are you also cooperating with some of the permit projects going on in the city for instance, school yards the concrete is torn up and plans to turn overseeing into green spaces but the bureaucracy of
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urban forestry is looking tearing up situations and having people plant is that part of strategy. >> may be one of the things in those areas that is a catch - so for people not understanding if you actually create for ground you'll have less water goes into the surrenders to tear out the concrete and make a way to appraise those neighborhoods with a k5catch basin and - >> i can speak to that in a couple of points one a stormwater management that any new development on a persist property parcel has a manager water opt out on the private property in the first place and once it gets to the street green infrastructure a term we're using to describe some of the
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things you're talking about like per surfaces that allows the water to go into the ground and prior i's those projects in flood areas i'll as they're really good a managing stormwater year-round like today light rain and the water it going somewhere in a flood event there 0 is so much water coming that raining so much rain following the green space infrastructure can do some work by the vast majority of water will come in a big storm we're working only green infrastructure and working on that in those areas. >> so that's what we have for short term programs right now
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but let's talk about what we were doing in essence steps on a long term basis for the construction for our capital improvement we're working on a collection system plan you know as i mentioned flooding is one of many issues that we're faced in san francisco and long term we're currently finishing our priority projects into the bowl one prioritized capital plan that the oar seismically and climatic change and environmental stewardship and considering rate impacts one consolidated capital plan and presenting that in july to our commission so that's the long term next step for construction but even if we make the investment there will be a bigger storm so the same neighborhoods will be vulnerable
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what can we do yonder infrastructure we'll continue to explore the options above and beyond the infrareds i've talked about the existing programs but here's a glimpse of future programs being evaluated so for these programs we would be looking to identify areas that be vulnerable to flooding we want to people to be aware the flood risk, we would potentially use identified areas to require flood resist construction if you're going to redevelop our property let's redevelop in a way that is better than having building standards and a building code that requires certain types of of construction vulnerable in areas of flooding and along the coastal areas we
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are expanding that concept into the areas in the water shed back flood and then also disclose at the point of fail so people that are buying improvements know what they're getting and investigating in large grants to flood prove properties or structures and we're investing in the concept of select voluntary property acquisition so for those programs their preliminary programs the once you've talked about and hope to have a better defined implementation plan in coming months so with that, i'm going to turn it over to our general manager harlan kelly if there is negligent you want to add. >> the last two options are those place holders can you give us more think an idea of what i mean coming back with something
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more, more there. >> so the plan is to we've been having initial conversation about what we can do we recognize whether investments a storm system the larger areas will flood we know that we can only put so much investment so what we really wanted to flush out giving folks options the one we mentioned is raising people's properties can be an option for someone that never wants to into custody you live in the bottom of bowel we can only invest is a certain amount to work with the owner to voluntarily purchase the house other cities have similar programs we're
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contracting them and city attorney's office and because we don't have sales tax we have at the sewer system rates so we have to look at what are the pro tem 218 challenges we'll flush all the stuff out i gave the direction to staff to kind of really develop some options so we can come back to our commission and also the board and mayor to kind of unveil what we can do as an organization to really helps to evaluate folks that live in the outlying areas. >> when you talk about raising house how i mean. >> self-depends on the type of structure that where we are. >> you know for me cayuga. >> so. >> it is it a commercial or an
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apartment and you know maybe even raising - we have to look at case by case supervisor safai. >> so i think one of the things that is you know anxiety provoking they know the rainy season we're coming to the end of that hopefully. >> (laughter) from a waterside or now we have too much water. >> hopefully for the folks inform that the police that on a daily basis i know you're investigating overseeing options so is there a timeline you can say it us you might want to come back and present a more concrete program we have the luxury of the rainy season coming to an end but in terms of potentially if 33 they want to sell their home don't believe that 34
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people will but i've heard from a lot of my constituents we share this area supervisor sheehy and i cuts in the middle he has one part i have the other were there they go so that's one but still that option is one but the other one is raising up 9 foundation i mean in our area all single-family homes so you'll be talking about raising a foundation three or four feet the timeline i'm trying to get at. >> the timeline we hope to come back is around july or august where we'll have hopefully whatever flush out the options and you know to raise for example, single-family homes what -
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>> the option for them we want to give them options because as we've been saying over and over if you make an investment because you know living in that
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ear we make a significant investment and as soon as we finish the flooding it looks like we're failed we want to be up front we're making on investment to minimize. >> when you talk about acquisitions i hope you'll look beyond the value and what was paid for someone to maintain be able to be in the city and - there's a delta between what the market-rate felt properties and what it takes for the equivalent in a part of the city that neighborhoods the delta will be challenging but if you know full compensation for the people that will still be in the city still have the amount of space and not flooded you know that might be
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the difference between people willingness to participate in voluntary acquisitions or not like my house - >> that's something we can definitely look at as you may know prices based on neighborhoods so and this is challenging to buy a home in san francisco but we'll definitely look at that as part of our analysis so you know pretty much we've covered all of the challenges that we are facing and i think that the most important thing i want to say that you know we understand that flooding impacts a lot of folks and the challenge of the cost and disruption that will cause but no guarantee they will not flood again, it is a partnership
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we're hoping to work out and we are planning to make a significant investment and over a long term we want to sustain to put money aside and endorsing the areas the city and protect them from flooding with that, we went over the options and here to answer any questions. >> thank you, colleagues if we could open up for public comment and additional questions after public comment people have been waiting patiently. >> you can line up on the side of the room to the left i do have public comment cards if you haven't feel free to get in line and give public comment. i have cards for
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(calling names). >> good morning. >> good morning. >> yeah. i live in cayuga and i want to tell you i've been through hell all of the time i get neighborhoods is the same thing what do they give me sandbags i'm tired i hope you hear me now look, i don't know it is it working >> overhead please. i go through that everyday she's mile witness saw in house i go floats garbage everything he go through the sewers right now my house still smells like mold
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not only moldy got a grandson that as asthma and have to take him to the doctor i'm sick and going through hell every time and i sick and tired? in front of my house right here i can't open the garage door and can't even right now my basement to tell the truth the basement still smells and my yard is filed with 230i89 from the sewers i can go through this the two cars are damaged nobody has come around and say mrs. assistance do you need any help you talk about - i don't see anything
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they gave them sandbags i see the man look at the hole and that's it that's all they do no matter if you put a wall or what it is still the same. >> you know >> thank you. >> i'm tired. >> i understand >> next speaker, please. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> thank you. >> overhead please. i'm pat a member the association and want to bring to your attention your concern the historical flooding that occurred from the manhole covers in the sewer easement from 2150 overlooking the park repeated
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seasonal flooding those two the sewer easement behind the homes is possibly one thousand feet long and contains 6 manhole covers with the sewer system has been overwhelmed as a result, the manhole controversies have felon off and the water has escaped in an effort to correct those two manhole covers were secured and pictures provided for your reference the other two sewer lines they've been surveyed by camera that area is difficult to assess we'd like the entire one thousand surface to be taken care of. >> this has been complicated
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by the fact if involves 3 agencies caltrans, san francisco municipal transportation agency and the department of public works for the last year candidates and dpw have required a wrap around bulb out but the plans by dpw and caltrans don't meet the needs of neighborhoods and a major traffic assess road for pine lake park and adjacent streets we'd like introduce is an open hearing and this was done last week and the neighbors have not had a chance to look at them. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> december 2003 january, 2004 and february 2004 october
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2009 april 2012 december 2014 december 2014 january 2017 those are on the most recent dates when san francisco awoke to find their homes and businesses a wash in sewage 8 dates those are much higher than the 50 years and stated by many harrison in ore opening remarks i'm nancy and this on cotter street i lost my entire downstairs my car and more irreparable items in the december 3rd, 2014, sewer failure how is it we're here talking about how the city can't fix our sewers and can't offer anything other than continuing to study a problem that is known for decades
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>> (clapping.) >> these can't be our best answers the city spent tens and tens of millions of dollars and yet insists more studies with needed imagine fixing the problem at home share ton not remembered the dollars we'll not be here today still asking for help still with our hands out and facing the sewage in our homes and continuing to do nothing and hiding behind the excuse a bigger storms it is shameful thank you. >> bravo. >> to the public we have a board rule that didn't allow applause if you can show with our thumbs that is appreciated no problem. >> hello and thank you for the opportunity for us to voice our concerns about the citywide
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sewer failure i'm donna and my family as would on cayuga on the cul-de-sack for 40 years this infrastructure development issue spans over 5 decades district wanted and 11 continue to be in a very rare sewage solely duo due to inefficiencies and the development approvals throughout san francisco complaint were made in the 19 psychos to no avail and a sewer bond measure placed prop b in 1964 the sewers and working-class neighborhood have neglected in favor of affluent neighborhood earmarked funds clearly showed reallocations to
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projects upstream upstream improvements then exudate the problems in the working areas neither here nor there a half of dozen neighborhoods from 2004 to today with no solutions proposed by the sfpuc have left residents feeling forgotten and underrepresented for projects like this pucs two main argument typography and the challenges because at the bottom of a valencia with water sheds and they can't fix the system for all storms that clearly translates to the puc mismanagement of their system for a known century old problem first come, first serve a x's competent thus allowing the problems serious our to the point we are today thank you. >> thank you.
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>> next speaker, please. >> good morning my name is elaine i live in mission terrace thank you for the opportunity to speak i appreciate all the attention and the consideration from you supervisors has taken a lot of time to get transaction with look like of our leaders broov 0 thank you for finally giving us time and attention that is a nightmare we face everyday so i'd like to show from january 20th what we're doing there. >> overhead please.
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>> (inaudible). >> can i replay that i don't think that everyone saw that. >> can you kill the lights or - >> (inaudible). >> thank you thank you for your testimony. >> i have 25 seconds left that's okay i want to echo what my neighbors sfpuc has been brainstorming this on climatic change for decades known since the 19 psychos will continue to get worse this is a crisis
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situation i urge us to act immediately thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> overhead please. >> so i'm just going to play a video of the flood from january 20th supervisor yee good to see i live in the sunny side neighborhood not a low lying neighborhood from the side of a hill and we have been flooded repeatedly 2014, 2021 twice this year in 2017 we're hopefully that the sewer improvements proposed for for better or worseer low fix this a couple of things i want to point out one they talk about 5
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year storms and 25 year storms and one hundred year storms twice this year so i kind of want to reiterate when they talk about the storms their happening much more often than 5 and 25 years the other thing i want to mention they're talking about the rate payers having some burden from repairs to flooded areas i want to point out as a matter of equity that water is coming from those way fastest does seem like this is something that we all have a shared responsibility for and it seems to me that it is appropriate that cost should be distributed across the city since the wait comes from all over the city we're all in it together and want to see the city make more of an effort and share the other
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speakers concerns that their does seem to be well, if there is a flooding no matter what you can see that to any flooding to discriminate between flooding that should be happening or would happen versus can be repaired there needs to be more effort. >> thank you. next speaker. >> hi, i'm margaret i will open folsom one mr. cook from 17 and folsom i experienced the 2000 flood they saw a mess that was very high i believe if you can get that picture. >> overhead please. hold on a picture of me i was -
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it has a four and a half inch lift and it is so high that it goes up to any waste this is how high we were trying to go through the intersection of 16 and folsom that was up to that hood of my joel koppel we cannot enter and couldn't cross folsom that was a big old heavy dumpster on the force of that water towards that that was the most amazing site that is how much force in the water i don't understand how it could have gotten it high and that much force i asked someone ii asked john used to use for the waterworks he said i don't know so, anyway that are problems we're not investigating and other things the question that
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says ahsha safai and said what does it motivator if it is one percent of the population it matters it is called tracking when we were in height services they were trained us in tracking those areas people are going through it sewage water it has e. coli and is is dirty even though it is delutdz by the next day high on the walls and the sidewalks it is it diluted it is dehydrated. >> i appreciate your testimony thank you so much >> next speaker. >> my name is chris, i have a business on folsom between 17 and 18 i've been there less than 5 years the neighborhoods typically last 20 to thirty
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minutes where the service is into the building and goes away we talked about a temporary solution nothing hold that where the water could go and the sewage what is pumped and not be normally costing hundred millions of dollars each neighborhood has been impose to seismic requirements to fix the issues if we can dispose of them rather than fixing the whole of san francisco that will say a great solution and more than happy to talk about the ideas. >> thank you very much. >> next speaker, please. >> can i get a speaker card. >> thank you. i'm david hooper i get to the be the accident of the new terrace association and it is mission terrace i'd like to thank you
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all of you for having this hearing it makes a big difference the greater the exposure the more details i've spent almost 2 and a half years on this i want to focus on a couple of points the bottom of cayuga the cul-de-sack is one and 20 feet above seawall it entered a ravine on mission and a viaduct and the problem is an engineering problem between the concrete we have between and with two 80 there we've created a situation we channel the water it goes to the lower area and backed up we have built up a lot of sidewalks we've built a lot of roofs and water falls on a roof goes sweet spot sewer we created this
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and we have to i don't have my respect for those - what we are smelling that the idea of displacement if you want to talk about displacement and part of the city it is a major item the homes on cayuga in particular are not expensive relative to the rest of the city it is a real tough situation there is a community especially on this part of cayuga the problem stepped to the seven hundred block of cayuga not just the cul-de-sack this problem extends all throughout the city for awhile the puc was relatively tone-deaf they've improved not as bad - >> thank you
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thank you very much for your testimony. >> next speaker, please. >> welcome such new faces i've been around for 25 years. >> my name is ace and i'm on the case. because some of those people don't want me all in this place but no mystery just check black history wow. i've been working on some cases involved with a lot of conspiracies and some people don't like me but i don't care so i'm here for the 3 c children children children let me get back to channel two i this government channel i created it i'll get my titles my name is ace and i'm on the case. i'm here with the people with
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the problems go to the puc the department is good if you want to know about the infrastructure go to the puc and found out what is going on but bring a delivery to any sisters on this board supervisor president london breed and supervisor cohen i made a vow not to talk about them but to tell them today that might be taken away we're in a state of emergency we don't have to ask me ask mayor ed lee or online e olsen lee about the residents going to be mad and sad their going to take their pad and trump talking about two years i want to him to come to fillmore street tweet tweet tweet ladies and gentlemen, my name is ace and i'm on the case. and took out the bad and but in the good and tell them to the
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sisters they better act right my name is ace and i'm on the case. >> thank you is there anyone else that would like to speak during public comment seeing none, public comment is closed. colleagues any other questions for the puc before the closing comments. >> yes. supervisor safai. >> i want to call the general manager back up i know you're not the general manager at the time that was ed harrington but what i heard was disturbing to me i want to know if this is true was there $400 million allocated for this area of town alamany improvements that was reallocated to another part of city. >> i'm not sure. >> (inaudible). >> yeah. we can get back to you on that so, yeah. >> yeah. is that essentially warm up talking about the
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alamany the three hundred and 69. >> i will say that one, the of the things instead of going through and investing moping money we took a step back with the improvement project to say what are we trying to solve how much water to convey out of those areas so we had to determine how much water and then identify the projects that will accomplish that so that's what we start to do when we did the sewer system improvement project so that's how we making investments now. >> i i understand i want to make closing rashgs from working in the neighborhoods for the last you know 14 years and feeling the general frustration of feeling neglected and overlooked and treated like the forgotten part of city and years
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money was allocated bonds i'm assuming the program for that part of town and reallocated somewhere else and then dealing with - >> you know consistent flooding that will raise the level of distrust for the city not on our shoulder you were not the general manager at the time bus that is very disappointing. >> supervisor yee. >> oh. >> yes. thank you. >> thank you supervisor yee for calling this hearing this is - i know i've learned a lot and i want to say that the flooding situations omi oh, my god i'm wondering we're talking about like huge developments so are we
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taking into account i know that most of it comes from the storms it is still the same sewage pipes we're using for the hundreds and 50 thousand 200 and 50 thousand to new residents of san francisco and when i look at the circle of where it look i'm sorry not just the it is development many, many, many blocks away with - so i - i mean my xhavent are we considering the flooding when we approve the projects with those huge projects we're approving. >> so one of the things we started to do when i became the general manager we institutionalized and worked through the board stormwater board so basically, what we're saying is it if our developing
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new property or you know upgrading the property to collect and maintain stormwater onsite and so that's what we've been doing the other thing i want to point out is that over the years the amount of water use has gone down; right? because of the back in the day with 6 gallons per flush if you look at how much water went into the sewer that actually is less water during dry weather into the sewer less water putting down the toilets and most folks showering so if you look at the growth the capacity in the sewers have increased because of dry weather water flows are reduced because of water conservatism so we put the as
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far as the development is concerned predominantly concerned we have managed stormwater. >> okay. thanks we know that with number 45 now with our president i think that we don't know at what will happen so the environment and i feel this is like we're seeing this amount of water we're getting that will be on a regular basis and other states are fooling severe severe drought so this hearing that i think the responsibility of all san franciscans we're not in a my district in district one that affects us it smokeless we pinpointed a few areas that are severe in san francisco and we
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have to actually repair so i'm wondering if this is something that you think we should be allocating money from the general fund or from other reserves we have in an emergency situation to be put towards them i don't - we might as a city have to cough that up it seems like this is the problem that is dangerous we can't lose a lot of lives in the neighborhoods i'm just bringing it to my colleagues for discussion perhaps later to allocate direct city services to fix that resolve thank you. >> so i'll make comments we'll go down the lines and supervisor yee to close us out first, i actually at a point was a
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legislative aide in the district 9 office i went into the sewers in my district and can attest not a rainy day and hardly any water that was interesting and a disgusting experience and if i didn't know what i was getting myself into but want to confirm i saw that with my own icy want to just appreciate everyone who came out and expressed your anger and frustration eloquently and supervisor i can imagine the stress in your faces and wanted to acknowledge that and thank you for coming out and expressing and dealing with that this is just angle incredibly hard problem to fix i mean yes, i'm compelled by many of our
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testimony that is a known issue for hundreds of years and yet we spent the whole $14 billion to renovate, upgrade your entire system in the entire city. a one hundred year storm who prevent flooding in 10 minutes when this is heavy rainfall that is the balancing act we're asked to figure out as a city i agree with supervisor fewer and supervisor safai that is a citywide problem shouldn't fall on the backs of the one percent who is homes are flooded every year that we need to take care of that and being directed to your homes it is just not clear to me that you know creating you mean upgrading the entire sewer system is the answer and that will not solve the problem i
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really like mr. hickey said my neighborhood would like to see more analysis around not only a neighborhood by neighborhood issue but a parcel by parcel sort of review of what could we do with each individual parcel to prevent the flooding on 7th street and folsom the cafe tdm of the grant program for the flood barrier and finally got to test that in the last big storm that works it prevented the flooding at the cafe on folsom so finally prove that acts in that area of 7th street and folsom that has flood barriers if it is similar typography to the cafe we can prevent the needing with that barrier and at least a step forward on 7th street and folsom the puc has been ousted there and my office
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i was under talking to the neighbors and let's make sure we get this really low impact barriers on as many households as possible that is ongoing that my office is doing together with the puc but in terms of the new programs you're investigating whether it is raising the foundation of the home or purchasing the home, you know, at a price that allows the families to move within san francisco i think that there will be certain homes we're not going to find a solution and that that might be the only solution to make that a program that presents a real possibility to the homeowners i think that something that we need to focus on as a city so with that, i want to thank everyone for coming out and send it off to supervisor sheehy >> so a couple of things and
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thank you supervisor yee for holding this hearing i think i wasn't in this office but for a few days when the first flood happened you have to really experience what is going on i mean it is just not healthy not heath and i felt so bad for my neighbors that was literally two or three blocks down the hill up the hill in edgar park one concern it sounds like like the mitigation efforts from the flood are incomplete so when i was there there was a city attorney and deploying the mitigation strategies and am i incorrect we help the folks to recovery so, yeah please.
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>> what we've done in the low lying areas worked with the city attorney and have restoration copies move the sheetrock and other inactivated vietnam out of water so that we can reduce the ability for molding to happen and so that's what we've been working with the city attorney's office and then if there is any claims taking a lead on now claims. >> so if ongoing problems is there a way to connect individuals the puc or the zoo i do think the heart is still to smell the mold i don't know if automobiles are still damaged
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nothing can't be done i know i saw that i thought how can they clean this up so someone i think one individual expressed odd o ongoing issues for her and her family's health but a point of contact contact to be made or maybe through my office i just don't want to leave people - and typically work there did city attorney but put a contact person from the puc we work with the city attorney's office as a relates to claims. >> great and then the only other thing that was said to echo supervisor ronen i do hope that july because your target data memo of options that we can offer certainly in cayuga with
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the people in cayuga that can point to a long term solution because ichltd this is going on a long, long time and it is not something we as a city should you know be comfortable with and the one percent comment got flooded not representative to the people at the puc or any of us up here it is just trying to scope the problem but see what happens in july and certainly gave me all the stakeholders and i know that people want to stay in the city that has got to be our priority and surely interest to make that viable no way. >> thank you
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sorry i have to say we're not allowed to shout out from the audience sorry we can't have this conversation please show our hands thank you very much. >> okay. let me wrap up first of all, the question that supervisor fewer asked in regards to the new development recently, i received a bunch of e-mails as some people know ocean avenue is developed quite rapidly in the last since in office one year before i came into office been 5 hundred units right along stretches of 6 blocks and there is more development being offered at the time so people will be concerned who we looked at this issue of
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who building all the center units will actually increase the capacity for the flood order to getting to the system and i guess the answer is this seems significant or in terms of how much the units will be using the capacity of the sewer lines i have to say i want to thank the public for coming out, i wish that i mean there was actually a lot of individuals homeowners and people in any district that were impacted very few came today because of a variety of reasons but one for the public to come out and puts u put a face on the people effected thank you for coming


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