tv Inside Washington ABC February 20, 2011 9:00am-9:30am EST
>> if you are going to walk to walk when it comes to fiscal deficits -- - discipline, these kinds s of cuts will be cessary. >> the battle over budget cuts. >> when we say we are going to cut spending, read my lips, we are going to cut spending. >> who iwilling to tackle the tough stuff? >> youou are going to haveve to raise the retirement age for social security. oh, i just said it and i am still standing here. >> more unrest in the arab world. egypt's revolutionary fervor spreads to bahrain and elsewhere. in wisconsin, the governor takes on public unions. will other states follow suit? >> by workers of the city cop -- wisconsin did not deserve to
be treated like this. >> and w who we are and who we aspire to be. >> we hohonor george herbert walker bush for service to america that spanned nearly 70 years. captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> "the washington post" editorial says the president's new budget kicked by hard choices down the road. "the new york times" says on paper the president's budget is encouraging. "wall street journal" editorial says the president is lying in wait to ambush republicans when they propose several spending cuts. take your pick -- pick, colby, which is a? >> of 3. they are not contradictory. he is playing rope a dope.
what is taking place in congress is really the side show. the big game is going to be the entitlement fight which will come later. >> charles? >> one of the most cynical budgets in modern memory. this is a president who told "the washington post" before his inaugural that we can no longer kick the can of entitlements down the road. he explodes spending for two years under the guise of emergency spending because of the recession. now the recession isver. what does he do? nothing on entitlements. >> nina? >> cynical? i think probably shrewd. whatever he proposes and -- in terms of the entitlements would have exploded immediately. there has to be a big deal. there is a lot going on here between republican and congress and the president, but in the last analysis, that is what we are talking about. >> evan?
>> all the president, break the logjam. the state of the union it was profound power this -- i hope has a secret plan to lead is that he has not yet. >> the budget itself admits that it add $7 trillion in debt over the next decade. and his own secretary of treasury admitted in congress this week thatis it is not sustainable. he did not lead and it is a huge failing. >> colby? >> cowarardice -- look, i thinki understand what he is doing. whether you like it or not. first of all -- a shout out to speaker boehner for what he has done in the house. allowing this debate to take place. but these are the small items. but nonetheless, it is a
preview of what we will see when we get down to the big issue of the entitlements. obama is right to -- on the continuing resolution. but then when we resolve that issue -- and i think we will resolve it in some way -- then you have to buy nature get to entitlements. >> you can have a debate -- >> they know it. they are starting to acknowledge it. >> the president said the reblicans' cuts are too deep and it t threatens a a veto. >> let's use a scalpel. >> house speaker johnoehner says if the president t does not cut deeply, republicans will. >> for the last two years since the president has taken off as the federal government has added 200,000 new federal jobs. and if some of those jobs are lost in it, so be it. we are broke. >> so what? >> they are fighting over this 12%. it the whole game is elsewhere. but like the two political parties -- both the republicans
and democrats, while the rest of the country is saying we have a problem with the dead but the two politil parties -- >> they are fighting about -- maybe they will get to it but they did not show -- >> they are writing about subsidies for poor people and heating in the northeast -- fighting about subsidies. about women, infants, and children subsidies so we don't have kids who are intellectually challenged. they are fighting about stupid stuff that is 12% of the budget. >> house republicans are literally stealing the food out of the miles of babies. nutritional and pregnant women and their young children -- one of items on the cutting block -- so they can do -- impose costly as deficit hawks. cuts are, the so-called cuts. obama increase the baseline budget of all of the departments by an average of 24% in two
years. if you add in stimulus, over 80%. the cuts are from this artificially inflated, hugely inflated, baseline he creates it. if you compare, for example, the home heating oil subsidy, it is cut in half -- that is the worst. a barbarian measure? if it is because it is 2009 -- it has been doubled. all that is happening is with the cut you are going back to pre-recession levels. the norm. >> that is the difficulty in talking about this issue. right about that particular position. but there are other provisions in the debate where it does not apply. if you are going to zero out spending for the -- a sll item. it has nothing to do with the baseline budget.
or if you want to cut out money for enforcement at the sec. >> or you cut out enforcement -- >> those are important discussions. but they are not the only discussions. >> with all of the cuts, we are higher than we were in 2008 and in to thousand nine and i did not hear any of you complaining in both years about women and children going hungry. >> you heard new jersey gov. chris christie saying they were going to have to make changes in social security. also we are going to have to do medicare, medicaid, and other entitlements. more than 60% of the budget. >> the 12% is sort of symbolism, all of the discretionary stuff. the real abdication was that the president, who brought in a deficit commission with a series of recommendations about, for example, social security, ignore all of them. and evan is right, of the
president does not leave it will not get done. he is. tibet -- demagogued whenever republicans propose at the time the country desperately has to have -- >> you agree with the "wall street journal" -- he is lying in wait? >> if there is any other explanation -- >> i am glad you can mind. what he would do. i do not know. >> the dangerous appearance -- you wind 2012 by taunting republicans to go after entitlements and then you say, my god, you are throwing granny and the snow and i will protect you and the unions and vote for me. and then theoretically and the second term heinally stopped kicking the can down the road and deals with it. i ththink in order to deal with it, he has to make it a central issue of the 2012 election. he can't wait. unless there is a national referendum on stepping up to the stock it will not happen. >> let us look and what we have
>> the united states strongly poses the use of violence and strongly supports reform that moves towards democratic institution building and economic openness. i called my counterpart in the bahrain this morning and directly conveyed my deep concern about the actions ofhe security forces. >> there is the secretary of state. the rebellion in egypt is betting -- spreading in bahrain.
people have been killed and doctors and other health workers that tried helping them have been badly beaten. these are supposed to be the good guys, modern international banking center, home of the fifth fleet and there are more demonstration -- >> saudi arabia. >> autocratic kingdom. i spoke about speaker boehner about what he did in congress and i want to say something about the bush administration, specifically secretary of state condoleezza rise to very early on -- and i remember giving very important speeches about bringing democracy to the middle east and some would say, well, i am not sure it shoul be such a top priority. something is happening and i think it is growing out of this thrust that cannot the bush administrationon that the middle east needs to be democratized, that within ose countries
there are young people ready to express themselves and be free, to have economic reform. then the june 4, 2000 i've been in cairo, president obama made a speech to the muslim world. he said, and i quote, no matter where it takes on, government for the people and by the people sets a single standard and you must maintain your power to the consent and not coercion. >> earlier on in that speech in this day new-paragraph he says the united states does not want to impose its view of the world and politics on others. he cited iraq as a specific example, meaning he was not happy with what happened in iraq and a rapid one place where america actually at a very high cost to itself got a democracy. and as soon as it got into the office, what did the state department do? the money would allocated to help the democrats in the egypt was cut in half and the money that was gng to civil society was cut by 70% and the only
people eligible where ngo's who were approved by the government. that was a very bad error on the part of the administration and now it is rewriting history. >> let me just say some about the larger picture. in most of these countries, but the market -- majority of people are under 30, and of the dirty -- some of them, the majority of them are under 20. there is huge unemployment. in some countries, the highest unemployment percentage wise is among university graduates. so, there is a growing educated middle class that can't find work, and that is just deadly. >> social media -- the factor here -- that you did not have in egypt and you have in saudi arabia and that is the question of the split that have between a sunnis running things and the shi'ites. you know what they call shiites in saudi rita?
sand [beep] that is how president is for the shiites. >> the king and the monarchy in by rain -- in bahrain -- >> one other problem is the united states has associations with the security services. that is how we get our intelligence. we get our intel from their secret police. the very people keeping down the revolution are our bodies, our house, our friends, the people who help keep us safe actually. >> it is a terrible dilemma. bahrain is the worst because it is a sunni dictatorship and the shiite majority. a small island, the homef the fifth fleet and it is between saudi arabia and iran. iran had claimed in the way a rock claim to kuwait, which means it this revolution succeeds it could be a province
of iran in the gulf -- kick out, of course -- and it will be a tremendous security y threat rit in the middle of the goals. >> doesn't it strike you as very schizophrenic what is going on? it almost seems like there is some sort of power struggle within the ruling body, within the palace, so to speak, of what is going on? >> in all of these areas, it is a natural awakening. but in some, the only alternative to bad guys in egypt and tunisia, the alternative can be good guys. >> the pro-government can get>>e
wisconsin had a red ink problem and a new republican government introduced the bill that would cut public union bargaining rights and benefits, including 98,000 statewide teachers' union members. in 1936, the american federation of state, county, and municipal securities was founded -- and ended 1959 the state passed a comprehense collective bargaining law. what is going on? >> the strikes me as really the woworst kind of power grab. i sat at the bargaining table and helped with givebacks because there was not any money. . >> what side were you on? >> i am working iff. but having said that, there it is one thing to say we did not have money and you have to pay more in pensions annually people off and another thing to say you are losing your negotiating rights. >> in ohio john kasich talking
about the same thing. >> don't you get misty eyed about collective bargaining? you knonow what was against collective bargainining for pubc employees? franklin roosevelt. it is not like the private sector where you have management pushing back. it is not a fair fight. the state unions control the legislature show -- so you are pushing on an open door read not bargaining, they did about what they wanted. >> that is not true. >> one of the arguments against the governor is if he had not given away the budget tax breaks he would have had a surplus because wisconsin is not in as bad shape as new jersey, illinois, california. >> the health benefits are unsustainable and also unfair. all the governor is asking what these ris -- not a riot, but these demonstrations are about, is about asking public employee union to pay half of what the private sector people pay and health -- in contributing to
health and pensions. half. and what happens? the teacher is in the madison cancer -- cancel school for three days to demonstrate and drag stood about to demonstrations. >> it is not actually true that it is half of what most of us pay -- >> about half of what the average in wisconsin -- six% as opposed to 12%. >> charles was right about this unfunded pension liabilities -- they are unsustainable. >> of course, they are. >> how do you think they happen? because public employee unions after incredible political power and while no one was looking and the president not paying attention, they stole the entire jury >> somebody caved. >> the day of reckoning has come and they want more money. the district of columbia found itself in the same positioand they had to give up some rights to congress to get congress to
bail them out of this. one way or the other, somebody is going to have to lose. >> the other alternative is it the state goes bankrupt. then, if it is equivalent to a private company, they can renegotiate the contracts. it is relieved of the pension obligations. what is happening is trying to prevt a bankruptcy and do it preemptively. >> has a state ever gone banknkrupt? >> that is why this is all necessary because if it does not happen you have it and the big states like new york, new jersey, illinois, and michigan, you are going to have to have a bankruptcy unless you get a negotiation -- renegotiation of liabilities that are not sustainable.e. >> i am not arguing that they are sustainable. only that you can -- should negotiate. >> what will be the next? >> it would be liked gm -- you line of the first creditors' and the last one and a penchant
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>> generations from now, when parents teach their children what is meant by courage, the story of john lewis will come to mind. an american who knew the change could not wait for some other person or some other time. >> march 7, 1965, bloody sunday in selma, alabama, john lewis suffered a fractured skull as alabama state troopers attacked him and 600 other civil rights marchers. john lewis, george h. w. bush, maya angelou -- did a favor, charles? >> wonderful people -- john lewis is a national hero. but to meet its himself and bund
-- indulgent. a president and senior staff gets to hang a metal bar around childhood heroes. i guess at the presidency did perks like air force one and this. but to me it is a president indulging themselves of thanking people he has always liked. i did not begrudge it to him. i hate to be a skunk at the party. >> you really think that george h. w. bush was a childhood hero? >> he was a hero. >> he needs balance so he obviously has to have a republican. >> will give -- would you turn it down? no, i do not want that medal? then my chances of being awarded the medal of freedom by barack obama are about equal to -- and >> i don't know. >> it is not given posthumously, or is it? >> charles and the skunk
department. america just loves awards. the average fifth grade you already have a grand trophy case. >> would you begrudge a wonderfully gifted and passionate young law and medal of freedom? -- yo yo ma? >> these are people accomplished in their field. >> this is a nation that likes cognition. i'd like the one bush did it, when reagan did it, when carter did it, when obama did it. >> every single one of these guys, men and women are fantastic and they deserve all the glory they get. it is just sort of redundant. >> it is not redundadant. it makes you recall what these individuals have done for the united states. >> what about angela merkel? >> these people are not plucked out of obscurity. stan is a great ballplayer but happens to be in the hall of fame. isn't that enough?
>> not if the nation can recognize you. the nation is going to recognize you. you would not want that, charles? i know you are a self-effacing guy so probably you would not care. >> i think that to pick out one, to see john lewis get the medal of freedom and to realize what he represents for this country and how this -- far this country has come -- >> if you were the only one -- >> you did get the last word. skunk at the garden party. thanks. curtis: welcome back to geico radio, it's savings, on the radio. gecko: caller steve, go right ahead. steve: yeah, um, i just got a free rate quote on geico.com, saved a ton, and it only took me 5 minutes and 12 seconds! steve: i was wondering, is that some sort of record? gecko: that's a good question. let's have a look. curtis: mmmm, not quite. someone's got you beat by 8 seconds. gecko: still, i mean, that's... that's quite fast! steve: well, what if i told you i only used one hand?