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>> announcer: starting right now on abc's "this week." imminent isis threat. american families fearing for kidnapped loved ones. urgent warnings to police about a threat to the homeland. and the u.s. considering a massive military escalation including air strikes in syria? this morning, breaking details and full analysis of the ferocious fight against the deadly terror group. on edge. >> don't shoot. >> after weeks of clashes, a community starts to rebuild. pierre thomas on how we prevent another ferguson. plus, a celebration four decades in the making. why the white house beat won't be the same. >> back to you, gentlemen, up in the booth. >> announcer: from abc news, "this week" with george stephanopoulos begins now.
and we come on the air this morning to breaking news. an earthquake measuring 6.0 near san francisco, the largest tremor there since 1989. ryan owens is tracking the damage. good morning, ryan. >> reporter: good morning, george. this was a sizable quake. it jolted people out of bed at 3:30 this morning. the epicenter in napa, california. wine country, north of the san francisco bay area. no reports of deaths or serious injuries at this point. there is plenty of damage. witnesses report a whole lot of broken glass. they say in downtown napa, you see some of that video there. a lot of store fronts broken. things like that. among the most significant damage is a fire at a mobile home park. the quake caused a water main break, so firefighters don't have the water they need to battle that blaze. about 15,000 people right now without power. as you mentioned, this is the strongest quake to hit the bay area since the loma prieto quake in 1989.
and that one, george, killed 63 and injured almost 4,000 people. one last note. this event is not over yet. there have been almost two dozen aftershocks. most of them are minor. but, george, these things have way of keep coming. >> we know you'll be tracking it all. thank you, ryan, very much. now to the battle against isis. the president returns to washington tonight. the white house weighing a dramatic expansion of air strikes. using the ominous words "imminent threat." we begin with the latest on the hunt for the killers of american james foley. re's brian ross, abc's chief investigative correspondent. >> reporter: a gruesome, heartbreaking videotape. >> his last words were, i wish i had more time.mi.n. >> reporter: and a worldwide wakeup call about an islamist terrorist group said to be more extreme than al qaeda. >> no just god would stand for
wh they did yesterday and what they do every single day. >> reporter: and inne week's time, the threat from the terror group kauped no longer seems limbed to far. away iraq and syria. eats a, rity sinfo >> so, yes, they are an imminent threat to every interest we have, with whether it's in iraq or anywhere else. >> reporter: the hooded killer who beheaded james foley is believed to be a british citizen. and the fbi is now using a database of known british jihadists to look for a match with his eyes, his hands, and his voice with its distinctive london accent. >> you have plotted against us. >> reporter: this morning, growing fear about a second american hostage. 31-year-old journalist steven sotloff. the u.s. has said it would not negotiate nor pay ransom for any
americans held by isis. >> we don't provide funding for terrorist investigations. >> reporter: former fbi agent jack cloonan helped to negotiate the release of one european hostage from isis. he says the u.s. policy needs to be re-examined. >> any of us in the position of the foleys or others would say, i want the opportunity to saved my loved one. >> reporter: but in the case of james foley, the ransom demand was an absurd $130 million. that means they're using the american hostages for something other than money. >> this is game of revenge. and revenge is sweet to them. >> reporter: in his final moments, jim foley faced death with the dignity and courage that marked his journalistic career. brian ross, abc news, new york. >> thanks to brian for that. we're going to turn to the military options. the u.s. has hit isis with nearly 100 air strikes inside iraq. the big question now -- should the u.s. strike inside syria. alex marquardt has the latest. >> reporter: the front line in the fight against isis.
on one bank of this canal, kurdish fighters. on the other, isis militants. >> you see the building over there? >> reporter: yeah. the small structure there. >> they're watching you. >> reporter: they're watching us right now. >> you see the hole. >> reporter: yeah. >> he's standing there watching you. you see the head? >> reporter: these kurds tell us they're the best hope of pushing back and defeating isis, but need more american weapons and air strikes. the u.s. has carried out more than 100 air strikes in support of kurdish and iraqi forces. as a result, isis has lost some ground. including the prized mosul dam. but isis still controls an enormous swath of land, about the size of indiana, stretching from western iraq into eastern syria. they have hundreds of millions of dollars, heavy weaponry, and their ranks are growing by the day. now estimated at 10,000 fighters, around 100 americans included. >> this is beyond anything we
have seen. so we must prepare for everything. and the only way you do that is you take a cold, steely, hard look at it and get ready. >> reporter: getting ready now means possibly expanding the u.s. operation for the first time into syria, where isis has its head quarters. the next step in what u.s. officials warn will be a very long fight against isis. george? >> okay, alex, thank you very much. let's dig in with martha raddatz, our counterterrorism expert, richard clarke, who directed things like this at the highest levels with many presidents. and retired general john allen. let me begin with you. you're really sounding the alarm here. you call isis a clear and present danger. say we must act now to destroy it. the big question. how? >> it will require a
comprehensive approach. it has to be more than simple pinpoint attacks. on key isis locations, just security locations in and around dams. supporting fire. it requires a comprehensive approach. got to be a regional approach, a coalition approach. while some aspect of the coalition can be focused on the humanitarian relief of the populations that have been put to foot and caused to evacuate the areas where they have lived for centuries and so on, it will require a comprehensive approach to strike isis throughout the network of the organization. some of that is in iraq. a lot of that, particularly the support areas, are inside syria. >> so that means hitting inside syria, i imagine. you say it will take a coalition. could that include some kind of cooperation and coordination with the government of syria, the regime, the assad regime and the government of iran? >> i think that the actions we
take, may, in fact, be not in coordination, necessarily, but provide an opportunity for coordinated effort. but we don't share any values with the iranian regime or the syrian regime. the syrians, in fact, are one of the principle reasons that isis has had the opportunity to incubate to this point to the level that it is. to the threat that it has become. the assad regime has turned a blind eye to the development of isis and permitted them, ultimately to attack that element that we have been and ought to be supporting in syria, the free syrian movement. the free syrian movement is caught between two very tough regime efforts and isis efforts to eliminate its existence. >> some have said the effort you're talking about will take up to 10,000 new advisers and special operations forces on the ground. is that what it's going to take? >> it will take more than what we're doing right now.
there's just no question of this. we need to give the american public more clarity in terms of commitment, solely using the term boots on the ground. we have been clear we don't want to put american maneuver forces necessarily, conventional maneuver forces back on the ground. but we have significant capabilities. to provide special operators into these formations, both at the tribal level, some of the more recently emerging sunni conventional forces appears in northwest iraq. the free syrian army. and sunni tribes in syria. there doesn't have to be a solely american force. there are plenty of special operations capabilities we have built up over the last 13 years in afghanistan that permit us the capability with allies and partners both internationally and in the region, to provide significant special operations advice, support, and capabilities to the wide-ranging elements we can bring to bear to be the foot soldiers in this campaign.
where american firepower with american advice can be brought to bear to attack this network. across the entire breadth. not just in iraq. across the entire breadth regionally. this is a regional problem. not an iraqi problem. not a syrian problem. >> thank you for your time. let's bring that to martha raddatz. you've been reporting the white house, the administration, what they're considering. are they going in the direction general allen advocates? >> well, it doesn't seem like they're going in that direction. i think they are going in the direction that they might do more air strikes in syria. what general allen said, it makes me think back what the obama administration wanted. they wanted 10,000 troops to remain in iraq. not combat troops. military advisers, special operations forces to watch the counterterrorism effort. perhaps they would go that way. it would be a tough one. >> and richard clarke, you saw general allen when i asked him about cooperation with iran and syria.
he almost gulped right there. he doesn't want to say the enemy of our enemy is our friend. but we're going have to work with them, aren't we? >> we have to make a choice. if we want to eliminate isis, we are going to have to deal with people we don't like.qbqç the president said we wanted assad out. we're going to have to say something to the syrian government if we're going to start bombing in syria. if we're going to get rid of isis, we're going to have to start bombing in syria. >> stand by here. i want to bring in michael mccaul. the chair of the house homeland security committee. mr. chairman, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thanks, george. >> you have seen the intelligence. do you believe isis poses the threat general allen talked about and do you support what he's calling for? >> i do think they represent the greatest threat since 9/11. this has been festering for a year. now it's culminated in the killing and beheading of an american journalist. i think it is a turning point for the american people. it's opened the american people's eyes to what the true isis is. how salve thaj -- savage they
really are. and their intent to harm americans. their words, we'll drown americans in their own blood. we'll raise the black flag of al qaeda over the white house. they're intent not only in establishing the caliphate over there, they're intent on expanding that to external operations not only in europe. they would love the hit the united states of america. >> congressman, if we get the kind of expansion you and general allen are talking about, wouldn't that require a new authorization from congress? the 2001 authorization targeted al qaeda. not isis. it would be a real stretch to put this under the iraq authorization. won't congress have to act here? >> we believe that the administration should be in consultation with congress. so far, they have under the war powers act. once that period of time expires, we believe it's necessary to come back to congress to get additional authorities and to update, if you will, the authorized use of military force. with respect to general allen's comments on regional strategy, i wholeheartedly agree.
i believe that america, the united states should not bear this burden alone. we have regional allies. we have allies that can bring a lot of pressure on isis. i don't think you'll win this with a containment policy alone. this administration, thus far, has only dealt with containment. we need to expand the air strikes to ultimately defeat and eliminate isis. i would rather eliminate them over here than have to deal with them in the united states. >> how serious a threat do they pose to the homeland right now? >> their focus right now is to establish the caliphate. there are external operation under way, i believe. the biggest threat, george, is this. unlike afghanistan and pakistan, this is very accessible. we have tens of thousands of foreign fighters from all over the world pouring into this safe haven that's now been
established, including hundreds of americans with western passports and legal travel documents, which would enable them not only the travel to western europe, but to the united states. and then you couple that with their now newly formed alliance announced a couple of days ago with aqap in yemen, which is the premier al qaeda bombmaker. you have a threat to airlines blowing up. and the traditional times square bomber we saw in new york. so i believe the threat is very real. i think the fbi, homeland security officials believer it's real. that's why they sent out a be on the lookout to state and local officials for suspicious activity and on social media, which they're very adept at doing. >> mr. chairman, thank you for your time. right to richard clarke. you say the united states has got the act right now as if it's already been hit. >> i think we have to imagine ourselves a month from now, six months from now in within attack in new york.
and then we say, boy, i wish i had done something back then. why aren't we doing it now? why wait for it to happen? there is no evidence of a plot right now. there's no evidence of people having come back from the theater. but we might not know. our system is good. much better than 2001. it's not 100%. we won't know, perhaps, until something goes off. >> there seems to be debate inside the administration, martha, about how serious this threat is to us right now. >> you heard chuck hagel say it was a threat to everywhere, anywhere. i'm not sure everyone agrees. this is more of a conventional army with isis. they have equipment. trying to take territory. they want to establish a caliphate over there. if we get in the way, if america gets in the way, if western powers get in the way, then they'll go after us. in terms of imminent to this country, the fbi says not right now. >> we were all struck by the horrific pictures of james foley
which led to the question of whether or not the united states should be paying ransom for the hostages. i want to bring that to rakmini callimachi. you had a story a few weeks ago where you had europe bankrolling al qaeda terror. owe you -- you wrote al qaeda and its direct affiliates have taken in at least $125 million in revenue from kidnappings since 2008, of which $66 million was paid just last year. the united states says it does not pay ransom. the european government denies it as well. it appears the european have paid it in some fashion. >> ye, absolutely. it's clear from my reporting that european governments are paying ransoms. they're doing it through a system of proxieproxies. in north africa, they were able to hide the ransom payments as a humanitarian aid payment to the country where the hostages are being held. and the money is transferred to the terrorists by the host country. it is a growing problem.
and, as colleagues have said, i think it needs to come out of the shadows. i think europe needs to own up to what they're doing. and we need to have a frank discussion about this, because, what's happening now is that if an american citizen or a british citizen, another country that does not pay, if they are taken alongside europeans, they are the most likely to be killed. because we don't pay. >> you talk about this being a hidden debate. i think that's exactly right. do you see any sense that the europeans are rethinking their policy? >> not really. we have just had, i mean, we have just had more than a dozen european hostages released from isis custody. they've been paid to have them released. there's two young italian women who have recently been kidnapped. we're already hearing stories about italian officials on the border with turkey and syria looking for a go-between to get the ransom money across. >> okay, rukmini callimachi, thank you.
i know you have more reports coming. richard clarke, let me bring that to you. her report about the bankrolling of terror. isis has become such a well-financed group. >> it's been well-financed in part because it's taken over territories that had banks in it. this issue of paying for hoages is a very tough one. no one wants their loved one to killed. they want to do everything when it's them. if any american, any brit, anyone from europe pays, then we're all at risk. then we all become targets. those of us who travel in the middle east. we can't pay. >> no rethinking on the part of the administration? >> i don't think so. it is something that should be debated and looked at. but it's a complicated issue. and it's true. if you start paying, they'll probably take more. >> thank you, richard clarke and martha raddatz. we're back with the fallout from ferguson. should america's police wear less s.w.a.t. gear and more cameras?
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the streets of ferguson are quiet now. this month's riots have people asking all across the country have police gone too far? questions about military tactics, loss of diversity, lost trust. what lessons can be learned? what changes are coming? here's pierre thomas with our "closer look." [ chanting ] >> all: don't shoot! >> reporter: ferguson, missouri. images of anger. tension. as the minority community faces off with a police department they don't trust.
black residents say the protests over the fatal police shooting of michael brown was the culmination of frustrations that had been building like a ticking time bomb. >> we've been getting harassed so much, we're tired of it. >> reporter: stark numbers hinted at what many could see coming. the population? 67% african-american. the police force, of 53 officers, only 3 are black. last year, black citizens accounted for 86% of vehicle stops. and 83% of arrests. the imer white co locking up black folks. the feds had no choice to step in. view of programs that pvide military-grade equipment to police.torney gsoer aommisi nryatiopes en outual >> reporter: in this case mistrust over a shooting where the facts still aren't clear. was brown shot six times by a police man because he was attacking the officer? or was it an execution?
excessive force? you promised an aggrsive and independent investigation. you can't guarantee that the facts will lead to a prosecution. >> we'll try to do this as expeditiously as we can. on the other hand, at the end of the day, it's most important that we get it right. >> reporter: we've been here before. the images out of ferguson are haunting and familiar. los angeles. cincinnati. oakland. cities consumed by racial turmoil after charges of police brutality against blacks. have any lessons been learned? after riots in cincinnati in 2001 following the shooting death of an unarmed black teen, by police, use of force policies were rewritten. police partnered with community groups. this activist -- >> we have come a long way from where we were in 2001. change doesn't come easy. if anyone is attempting to try to reform police department without their community, it is not going to work. >> reporter: cincinnati trying new technology. officers wearing body cameras.
as part of their uniforms. >> get on the ground, get on the ground! >> reporter: she thinks such tools could help other cities. >> sir, do you have any i.d. on you? >> the body cameras will help with the checks and balances that citizens are screaming to have. >> and pierre joins us now along with former new york police police stationer ray kelly, now an abc news consultant, and from st. louis, congressman william lacy clay. we have had a couple of days of calm in ferguson. what are you hearing on the ground today? what is the most important thing for ferguson going forward? >> well, first of all, george, tomorrow we will bury michael brown. and i think this past week, with the presence of attorney general holder, he brought a calming force here to st. louis to ferguson. and it kind of reinforced people's trust that at least on
one track, there will be a -- an above-board, thorough investigation on the part of the federal government, especially with the fbi here as well as the u.s. department of justice. >> the front page of your hometown paper this morning, the st. louis post dispatch points out one of the problems. out of balance. it shows the disparity between the populations and the number of my or n of minorities on the police force. how do you fix that? >> well, first of all, let's -- we need to have a conversation about how the system has failed. a predominantly african-american population. when you look at a city like ferguson.edo a e. pic itca t hns llthna militics legislat
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jor emminati.d on sd >> only in case of a major crisis. this question of cameras, pierre in places where it's been tried, you see instances of misconduct go down. >> it gives a clear understanding what is happening. when you have mistrust in the african-american community, to the police department, it allows a calming effect. in cincinnati, when there would be a controversy incident, they would roll out the tape. people could see precisely what happened and that had a calming effect. >> and the whole question of whether the police departments reflect the communities they serve, here in new york, you have had to deal with that. you have put in a concerted effort to make sure we have minority representation. >> we have police officers born in 106 countries. it's so important t mufltyyoneed an aggressive pro-active recruiting campaign. you have to look at
consolidation in st. louis county. there are 60 police departments in st. louis county. they can do joint recruiting. and obviously, the potential for saving money if you con sol dso some of those departments. >> anything the federal government can do? >> funding. providing money. i would say training, training, training. the indisputable fact is that african-american males do commit a large amount of crime. you have to have the training to apply your resources and your investigations to the specific case and not see skin color. >> okay, pierre thomas, ray kelly, thank you very much. "the roundtable" is next. president obama taking some heat for what some are calling a tepid response to ferguson. and is rick perry's indictment boosting his presidential hopes? first, the big winners of the week. boosting his presidential hopes? first, the big winners of the week. there's no reason we can't manufacture in the united states.
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response to iraq's latest moves. mr. bush was trying to enjoy his maine vacation as best he could under difficult circumstances. >> president clinton and his family head off to martha's vineyard today. mr. clinton leaving behind independent counsel kenneth starr and his grand jury. >> i call on the nations to do everything they can to stop the terrorist killers. thank you. now watch this drive. >> let's go to martha's vineyard where the president is on vacation with his family. some republicans are criticizing the president for hitting the links while our military is striking these targets in iraq. >> it happens every august. let's get into it with "the roundtable." bill kristol, editor of "the weekly standard." donna edwards from maryland. david plouffe, and peggy noonan from "the wall street journal." i want to show the headlines. the president taking heat. including, bill kristol, "the weekly standard" calls this appalling.
the only timeless value the president seems willing to stand for is golf. >> i think we call the policies appalling. if he were pursuing good policies, left 10,000 troops in iraq, bombing the heck out of isis, i would say, go ahead, play golf, mr. president. the problem is his policy, not his vacation. >> no one begrudges the president a vacation. but it was the juxtaposition of that statement about james foley with a round of golf an hour later. a mistake, right? >> i don't think so. it was a powerful statement. you showed clips before we joined you. this is a political tradition. when peggy's boss went to california, deep criticism. both president bushes went away, president clinton. so when you're the president of the united states, you're never really on vacation. you're on 24/7, as you know. i think the whole discussion of optics fascinates washington. but really doesn't fascinate the american people. they're interested in what he had to say that day.
and what we're going to do so curb the threat. >> i think what your old boss is doing here is very dangerous for him in an optics way. it has to do with making real, making into a metaphor something that people already think. there's already a sense out there from democrats and republicans that the president seems a little bit disengaged from the process. and a little detached from what's going on. for him repeatedly to be -- to be showing for many months now that vacation and golf and all of these things are so terribly important to him, underscores the original charge of a certain detachment and disengagement. nobody begrudges a president going away. but people are impressed when a david cameron, during a crisis like this moment with isis, comes back from his first day of vacation to do his job. and they're impressed when the french, i think, foreign minister says to mr. obama, sometimes you have to stop having fun. you have to be doing the job. >> and congressman edwards, the president is coming back
to washington tonight. we heard from chairman mccaul. he says that congress should be coming up with a new authorization once the president's war power authority runs out. there will be resistance inside the democratic ranks of the house. >> but we need to have a debate i think that's really important. i don't think the president can continue beyond the war powers authorization without an authorization from congress, if that is what congress chooses to do. so i'm looking forward to the debate. i have to tell you, this silliness around the president golfing is ridiculous. this president has taken 200 fewer days of vacation than president bush. you know, the american people know that the president is president 24/7. >> on the bigger questions, bill kristol, it struck me how quickly this is all moved. from isis being a minor threat, the president talking about it several months ago as the junior varsity to now imminent threat by chuck hagel.
i guess i wonder, is there a danger of overreacting? >> i wish there were. i think the fundamental danger remains underreaction. back in january, they said, we have defeated core al qaeda. as they like to say. it's just the jv now. our ambassador to iraq, robert beecroft was telling martha raddatz, we have a huge problem. there's a group, isis, that has taken over fallujah and ramadi. and has ambitions to go north. someone asked if ambassador, i believer in prooifrt, what is the white house doing about this. he kind of shrugged. i would like a little overreaction by the president. he's coming back from his vacation, he should go to congress right away. meanwhile, he's acting under the war powers act. he shouldn't wait. he shouldn't wait. there's a huge amount of damage to be down tomorrow if the president orders it. >> given the president's rhetoric on thursday, a cancer on the world, there has to be a dramatic escalation as well to
match that rhetoric. >> it was interesting the past week, the comments of chuck hagel. not a burly, pro-war figure. someone who has been skeptical in the past saying, this is the biggest and worst thing we have seen in a long time. the comments of general dempsey saying, essentially the same thing. something big and bad is happening here. it's part of the reason the do you know what i mean? were m presidential-te ents. hink theuestion he is aloven nd to have happen in ira to consolidate the iraqi factions. because otherwise, all the bombing in the world, then, doesn't stop isis from continuing to grow and to fester, given the political situation in iraq. and i think that's what the president is trying to balance.
>> all the bombing in the world -- >> i think even his keepest critics would support the notion, whether trying to go after the biggest tlets, this president and administration have been very, very aggressive. obviously, there were strong statements this week about what may be to come. i think there is a conventional wisdom in washington to every problem. let's use the military first and ask other questions later. it's a real problem. when this president took office there were 180,000 troops in iraq and afghanistan. we're going to be down under 10,000 once we draw down in afghanist afghanistan. we have seen what happens when you use the military first and don't have a strategy afterwards. >> the president is the president for almost six years. you can talk about the hard questions and the debate. all the military power in the world would degrade isis an awful lot. we can worry about the iraqi government. we can worry about what is happening elsewhere. if we bomb isis, command and control, training camps in iraq and syria, we can do a lot of damage. >> the reality is, the political
situation that's been created that allows isis to fester in iraq was created by an administration, the bush administration, that didn't ask the hard questions and tell the truth when we got in in the first place. now this president has to clean up the mess. before the break, our power house puzzler. the emmy award was supposed to have a different name. the academy of arts and sciences rejected the name because it resembled this presidential nickname. ces rejected the name because it resembled this presidential nickname.
okay. the emmy was almost called this presidential nickname. let's see who got it right. the ike. that's right. i barely understand the question. the dwighty. you need to watch more tv or not. it was eisenhower. ike was short for iconoscopic tube. like our current president, eisenhower took some heat. good natured or not, for miz love of golf. we'll be back with more
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in the wake of ferguson. they don't want to prejudge the investigation. they want to show action. engagement. >> i think the right thing to do was to send the attorney general and have the justice department engage in the investigation since two days after the incident. i think that shows the commitment of the president to make sure we get to the truth and get justice. i have to tell you, i think i'm the only one around the table that is a mother of a young black man. and this is something that could have happened in any community across this sunt. country. i think that's the thing that has so startled both the nation but not surprised many african-americans. >> i don't think he should have sent eric holder there. i think the justice department should investigate, as it does many cases, i suppose. when the police use force, excessive force, we don't know yet, against in young man in this case.
who was unfortunately killed. having eric holder personally go, i think makes it more of a national issue than it is. it's an issue of local law enforcement and makes it more of a racial issue than it really may be. >> the problem is, none of us really knows yet what happened in those 20 seconds in ferguson, missouri. >> we have had a lot of talk. a lot of shouting, pushing, yelling, pain. the fact is, and all levels of government i think failed to distinguish themselves in ferguson. but what we have a deficit of is real information. we actually don't know exactly what happened when that young man was shot. we don't know what happened afterwards to the policeman. so so much is unknown. the worst thing officials on the ground there could do now is not do the most thorough, fair-minded, substantive investigation. and then communication of hat they have found. put all the proof out there. everything. it would be terrible if they don't do that. i can't believe they would be
that stupid. so i expect they'll report what happened. >> this could take some time. the prosecutors saying could take until october. clearly, the civil rights investigation would have to wait until that's completed. >> i would think so. two investigations going on. i agree with peggy. it has to be thorough. there has to be more transparency. i think that they didn't have it in the days after and it added to the tumult. everyone needs to step back and allow for the facts and law enforcement to do their job. >> another issue this week with legal and political implications. govern rick perry facing the indictment. was arraigned. went straight from there to new hampshire. and there still seemed to be, bill kristol, i know you spoke with him as well this week, some sensnow, on to debate, that this might actually behelping his potential run for president, getting indicted. >> the indictment seems ridiculous. the two statutes were to go after bribery of public officials.
it was a threat to veto an appropriation for a part of texas he thought was being run badly. it's standard. and he went ahead and vetoed this appropriation. as texas governors and other governors have vetoed a million pieces of legislation. i saw him in washington. he seemed cheerful. he gave a good speech. in which he really discussed foreign policy, in my view, intelligently and forcefully. he went to new hampshire friday. i think he'll be a real candidate this time. >> you agree? >> i think it was local democratic overreach. just a dumb case. i don't think it should have been brought. naturally, he looks like someone who is -- >> the prosecutor is a former republican i think. >> that may be. but when you look at this case, it just looks crazy. everything perry's accused of doing, he apparently did publicly. he said, oh, my gosh, this woman should step down. she was in an embarrassing escapade. she won't step down. he says, i'm going to veto the appropriation. this is not back room, dirty, nasty dealings.
it's politics as it is normally played. >> i guess we're going to let this play out. apparently, there are two other instances of prosecutors misbehaving in the same way and rick perry didn't use the same authority against them. it's a republican prosecutor. i guess we let the legal process play out. and rick perry will run for president. >> we talked in a previous situation about letting the investigation take place. he's utilizing this smartly politically. i think this will help him become more of a darling for a republican primary voter. he's had a good few months. who would have thought after ' 12 he would be a credible nominee. >> it's the glasses. >> i was most struck by someone else in iowa. jim webb. talking in iowa. >> i think we ought to have more
democrats coming out here. we need to -- to stimulate the debate about where the country is. >> i don't know if he could win, david plouffe, he could be potentially the most dangerous challenger to hillary clinton in this. >> well, she would, if she runs, and she has to make that decision, she'll be the strongest nonincumbent candidate we have seen in the history of american politics, certainly in the modern primary system. i think there is little room. there would be one or two people to emerge. it's smart to go to iowa. i think it is tom harkin's last day. my former boss. my guess is whoever wins iowa has a 75%, 80% of being the next president. >> as president obama shows. >> i like jim webb. i voted against hyim in 2006 in virginia. he wrote a cover story for "the weekly standard" for 1997. it would be great to have a weekly standard contributor running. he's an impressive guy. to the degree that foreign policy and military policy is front and center, and i think it
will be, and to the degree which secretary of state clinton could be hurt by being part of that administration that's gotten us into this mess, i think jim webb could be an interesting candidate. >> i think he would have appeal for the reasons bill mentioned. his experience is very broad, very interesting. has some republicans. some democrat. it's really an interesting thing. he's accomplished. and yet, inarguably clean. that can be powerful. >> your governor, martin o'malley taking a look. does that put you in a difficult spot? >> no. it doesn't put me in a difficult spot at all. let me talk about jim webb. i think jim webb has a strong sense of social justice. that in addition to his military experience. he was one of the first to raise this issue of increased sentencing and disproportionate sentencing in the senate. i think it would be interesting to hear from him during this debate. but, you know, i'm probably for the other woman in the race.
our "sunday spotlight" shines today on ann compton. our friend and colleague. seen there with president owe bah ma -- obama and granddaughter olivia. one of many special moments for ann, after a path breaking 41 years at abc. >> ann compton. ann compton. ann compton. abc news, the white house. i was 27 years old. i feel the sense of privilege and responsibility for being here. >> and for over four decades, ann's done it all, with skill, grace, and good humor. >> here we go. i have outlived some of the
trees on the lawn. >> covering every presidential campaign since 1976. >> isn't the phrase no new taxes misleading the voters? >> at the white house with seven presidents. >> would you answer a subpoena? would mrs. clinton? >> annie, can you hear me? >> yes, i can. >> what are you doing in nebraska? >> president bush is here at the home of the strategic command. >> on september 11th, she was the only broadcast reporter on air force one. >> i think they could have thrown us out. thrown the press off the plane. i think they did the right thing to make sure -- the press had to be there to tell the american people, and the world, what the president was doing and that the u.s. government was sound. >> and witnessed history every day. just doing her job. >> the core of it is exactly what it's always been. we have to have somebody here. all the time. the specialists who know everything about the president, what he's promised to do on taxes. whether he'll eat broccoli. >> i just want to say, publicly, ann, we're going to miss you. we hope you're not a stranger
around here. [ applause ] >> i'm often asked if you have a favorite moment with a president. and i remember being stunned. president george herbert walker bush was about to send a half million american soldiers into the desert for combat. and he comes back to the white house and he makes a statement on the south lawn. i ask him a question, he barked at me. the next day, i get an apology note. at the bottom, he signed it, his initials, g.b., and a smiley face wearing a frown. i thought that was a remarkable moment for a president to take time to do that. >> pretty remarkable. and i cannot imagine anyone barking at ann compton. never misses a beat. always has a smile on her face. has done such tremendous work. congratulations, ann. we want to go back now out the california where ryan owens is tracking this earthquake hitting northern california this morning. what is the latest, ryan?
>> george, good morning. a 6.0 quake. the latest is we have new reports of injuries. a hospital in napa valley which is north of the san francisco bay area is reporting they have 70, 7-0 patients with mostly minor injuries. no reports of serious injuries. now that the sun is up, we're getting a better picture. of some of the damage. a lot of the damage in downtown napa. in addition, the highway patrol is reporting there are cracks in area roadways. the best we can tell, the most significant damage is what you were just seeing. a fire there at a mobile home park. firefighters there did not have water to battle the blaze because of a water main break. >> you're still dealing with aftershocks? >> reporter: that's right. at least two dozen of them. most of them minor. one of them 3.6. some people may have felt those. >> i know you'll stay on top of it. thank you very much. now, we honor our fellow americans who serve and sacrifice.