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captioning made possible by johnson & johnson, where quality products for the american family have been a tradition for generations >> osgood: good morning. i'm charles osgood and this is sunday morning. america's military underwent a change in command this past week. its joint chief of staffs chairman admiral mike mullen retired after a lifetime of service. the transition comes at the challenging moment in the war on terrorism. admiral mullen will have plenty to say about that this morning in our cover story from david martin.
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then it's on to the story of some tough times for our country that were totally of our own making. we're talking about prohibition, the so-called noble experiment which had rather ig nobl consequences as mo rocca will remind us. >> reporter: for nearly 14 years prohibition was the law of the land. at least it was supposed to be. >> i think that it was probably the period of the greatest american hypocrisy which is saying a lot. there were people who were absolutely able to stand up in public and say you must get rid of the deem onalcohol and then go home and pour themselves a cocktail. >> reporter: later on sunday morning prohibition. >> osgood: lady antebellum is a musical group that takes its name from american history. its moment is is now as ben tracy will show us. >> we worked hard. we still to come have a lot of the same work ethic. >> reporter: charles kelly and dave heyward tried writing songs on their own.
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>> carp diem is on vacation. we're really bad. >> ♪ i'm all alone and i need you now ♪ >> reporter: but then they met a girl. >> the first time i was really incredibly proud of the song was the first song we ever wrote. >> y'all just needed a lady. >> reporter: why three? lady antebellum later on sunday morning. >> osgood: the duke is the unofficial title by which movie fans remember one of hollywood's most ruggeded stars john wayne. with john blackstone's help this morning we'll remember him too. >> what's going on, debbie? >> reporter: john wayne was more than an actor. he became a national symbol of strength and courage. >> the green beret. >> reporter: now john wayne's family is sharing some keepsakes and some memories. >> life with him was at least for me was an adventure. >> reporter: he was all
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american from his boots to his hats. and we'll take off our hat to john wayne later on sunday morning. >> osgood: speaking of roles tyra banks has been the very model of a major fashion model but there's more to her than that. the lady can write as tracy smith will show us. >> reporter: former super model tyra banks is a medium mogul, a tv star and now an author with a new novel inspired by her personal experience as a very tall, very awkward teen model. have you been underestimated. >> all the time. i feel like i kind of live with the wind at my face. >> reporter: back home with tyra banks later on sunday morning. >> osgood: peter van sant will sum up the amanda nox trial. anthony mason remembers norris
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church. we'll offer a retirement tribute to our long-time colleague andy rooney. but first the headlines for the second of october 2011. the state department has issued a travel warning following the death of al qaeda leader anwar al awlaki. they're concerned his killing has raised the risk of anti-american violence. here in new york hundreds of anti-wall street demonstrators were arrested as they tried to cross the brooklyn bridge yesterday. they were taking part in what was billed as a protest against corporate greed. more than 700 people were detained. bank of america's website has had problems all weekend. the bank, the largest in the u.s. in terms of deposits, has been telling customers that some on-line pages are temporarily unavailable. ferris wheels are better known for views than fear. by try telling that to anyone involved in this plane crash in australia yesterday. they also survived, believe it or not.
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no injuries. the pilot admits he never saw the wheel. four play-off game marathon gave baseball fans little reason to get off the couch yesterday. in philadelphia, the phillies beat the st. louis cardinals. ryan howard slugged a go-ahead three-run homer in the sixth inning. final score phillies 11, cards 6. last night at yankee stadium new york's second baseman robinson can owe hit a grand slam homer and grove in six runs powering the bronx bombers to a 9-3 win over the detroit tigers. the rangers and the brewers were winners as well. the forecast for today: the northeast can expect football weather, cool and damp. it will be warmer than usual most everywhere else. autumn will continue to unfold in the northern states in the week ahead where it will stay cool and mostly dry but temperatures in the south will rise again. >> well, come see if that old man will sometime.
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>> osgood: ahead, john wayne. and a toast to the
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>> osgood: at a change of command ceremony this past week, president obama had nothing but praise for admiral mike mullen, just retired chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. admiral mullen has been speaking out a lot this week too as we hear in our cover story from cbs news national
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security correspondent david martin. >> my guest tonight, he is the chairman of the joint chief of staff. please welcome back to the program admiral mike mullen. >> reporter: you wouldn't think the nation's highest ranking military officer would be a regular on the daily show. but in his final days as chairman, he's back for a third appearance. >> do you have plans for relaxation? what do you do? >> my plan is to take a long winter's nap. >> reporter: last summer mullen recruited stewart to visit the troops in afghanistan. >> i was surprised-- and i know you have a lot of respect for the fighting men and women-- i was surprised when we landed in khandahar that you forced them to carry you around on a litter. >> well actually that usually only happens once a trip. >> reporter: what do you get out of coming on this program? >> i get an opportunity to
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address an audience that, in many cases, may not be overly familiar with the military, and it's been an opportunity with him to connect with a very popular guy who also can be a voice for our men and women and their families. he clearly is. but he's been really terrific. >> i thought i kicked you guys out. >> reporter: here he is. >> i have things to do. >> reporter: how did he do? >> all right. >> the man is charming. >> reporter: well, not always. his staff says when he's tired he can be grumpy. with his schedule he is frequently tired. in addition to all the things you expect the president's chief military advisor to do, he is constantly trying to connect with wider audiences, going on day-time talk shows. >> the one country that has influence in pyongyang is china. so their leadership is absolutely critical. >> reporter: appearing with muppets. >> it's great to have you back in the pentagon again.
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>> we love it here. >> you're looking pretty good. >> thank you. >> reporter: and traveling to campuses like the university of miami to tell people what life is really like for soldiers and their families. >> so if i'm a 15-year-old boy or girl in that family and i was four or five when these wars started, my whole life in my family has been at war. that's never happened before. >> reporter: when he first started reaching out, he was shocked at how little people really know about the sacrifices the 1% of the population who serve are making. >> i was struck at how little they really did understand about what we've been through. the stress on the families, the suicide rates. >> reporter: people who do understand like retired sergeant jared turner who couldn't get the v.a. to pay for his surgery after being wounded in iraq frequently give him an earful.
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>> you got men and women and wives and kids, and they're suffering. we've got to do better, sir. >> that's why i'm here. in this kind of situation, as you say, you cannot move fast enough. >> reporter: everyone agrees wounded soldiers deserve the best possible care. but to stand... but the stand mullen took on gays serving openly in uniform put him at odds with some of the top commanders. they were worried about its effect on readiness. he saw it differently. >> it's fundamentally an integrity issue. it's very, very... i can't reconcile or couldn't reckon i'll that i could ask someone to come to work and in certain places die for our country on the one hand and then lie about who they were. >> reporter: did it ever occur to you when you became chairman that you would end up being an agent of cultural change? >> no, i hadn't thought of that. >> your full name.
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>> i.... >> reporter: in fact it had never occurred to him that he would become chairman. he was planning to retire as chief of naval operations until the day then-secretary of defense gates called him into his office. >> within about, i don't know, 30 seconds, i could tell where he was going. i sort of go into one of these slow-motion, is this really happening? it was a kind of feeling. >> reporter: why did he tell you he was turning to you? >> he spoke to me about something i had said which i felt that our army was the center of gravity of our military. he thought that was pretty significant coming from the navy chief. >> reporter: an admiral suddenly thrust in the middle of two land wars, he immediately took off for iraq and afghanistan to see for himself. it was the fall of 2007. in iraq the battle was going full tilt. but what really alarmed him
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was afghanistan. notes taken by one of mullen's aides record a sergeant saying he was seeing his men crumble under the stress of too much fighting with too many little equipment. one commander said he needed 34 more helicopters. mullen had to tell them there was nothing on the shelf for afghanistan. >> good to see you. hang in there. >> we were just limited on what we could send to afghanistan based on the priority that the iraq war had at the time. >> reporter: when he became chairman, there were 165,000 u.s. troops in iraq and just 25,000 in afghanistan. friday when he stepped down as chairman, there were 40,000 troops in iraq and 97,000 in afghanistan. >> good luck. david, thank you. i appreciate it. we'll see you over there. have a good flight. >> reporter: it was mullen who told the president he should send general stanley mcchrystal to afghanistan. a recommendation which ran
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disastrously aground when mcchrystal and his aides were quoted in rolling stone magazine as being disrespectful of their civilian leaders in washington. >> when that article broke, he literally called me as i had it on my desk. i was sick. i mean literally sick in the stomach. >> reporter: sick about what? sick at the disrespect? sick at "this was your guy"? >> sick that our commander in afghanistan was, from my perspective, immediately in jeopardy. i was stunned, and i knew it was big trouble. >> reporter: the president fired mcchrystal. one of the low points of mullen's four years in office. this was the unquestioned high point, watching the raid that got bin laden. >> i had extremely high confidence that we could execute the raid. i went out and watched them rehearse.
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>> reporter: you watched a rehearsal of the raid. >> i did. >> reporter: did you talk to them? >> i did. i get to meet them all and look them in the eye. >> reporter: were they confident? >> they were. >> reporter: after the raid, somebody in this room had to inform general, the chief of pakistan's army. who gets to make the first call to pakistan? >> obviously because of my relationship, i was the one that made the call to him. >> reporter: tense? angry? >> i had to say difficult. >> reporter: difficult? >> it was difficult. >> reporter: it became more difficult when in his last testimony before congress.... >> the network as a veritable arm of pakistan's internal services intelligence agency. >> reporter: mullen said pakistan's intelligence service, known as the i.s.i., that helped the hakani net one of the most violent factions in afghanistan pull off the
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high-profile attacks like the one on the u.s. embassy in kabul. >> the i.s.i. strategically has supported the hakani network for a significant period of time. >> reporter: a man who had worked hard at becoming pakistan's best friend had finally had it with pakistani double dealing. >> one of the messages to pakistan is what does it say when the interlocutor that has been closest to you over the last four years feels this strongly about it. >> reporter: in his four years as chairman more than 2,000 americans have been killed in iraq and afghanistan. you can't see it, but he wears a bracelet in memory of all the fallen. >> i've tried to keep that as close to me every single day, every waking moment, so it's a reminder to others but it's also a reminder to ourselves. >> reporter: so you have the name of a specific soldier killed in battle? >> right. a young woman named corporal jessica ellis who died in may of 2008. she was a medic with the 101st
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airborne, blown up by an i.e.d. she's buried in section 60. we routinely go by her grave. >> reporter: in one of his last official acts as chairman, mullen and his wife deborah planted a tree in section 60 a part of arlington national cemetery where the dead from iraq and afghanistan lie buried. >> for me and for deborah, there's no greater sacrifice or representation of these wars. america needs to look that most difficult part in the eye and make conscious decisions that we will continue to do this. >> osgood: up next, a rascaly birthday. they offer me one-on-one guidance to help me
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created a decade earlier by the hall roach studios, the "our gang" comedy featured an ever-changing ensemble of child actors who won a huge following by simply appearing as themselves. spanky quickly established himself as one of the leaders of the group. >> what do you say if we form a new club and call it the.... >> osgood: performing in countless sketches that would become classics. by age 13, spanky had outgrown the gang. like many a former child actor before and since, he found offers of serious adult roles few and far between. he tried his hand at a number of jobs. eventually becoming a sales executive. in the 1950s, the "our gang"
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comedies were repackaged for television as the little rascals. but neither spanky nor his fellow gang members received a penny in residuals. still in a 1989 cbs interview the grown-up spanky insisted he felt no bitterness. >> my residuals, i'm serious, is the people that come up to me on street and say, i loveded your stuff, spanky. >> reporter: he died of a heart attack in 199 at the age of 64. >> if you were spanky, i could sit here and chew on your ears for hours. >> reporter: but not before one cameo appearance on the tv series cheers. >> are you spanky? >> no. >> reporter: though spanky and most of the other rascals are gone now, they're still getting laughs. not bad for a gang of rag a muffins.
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>> so you moved in with norman mailer right down the street here. >> osgood: next norris church. >> i came here in 1975. >> osgood: the woman behind author norman mailer. she won't eat eggs without hot sauce. she has kind of funny looking toes. she's always touching my hair. and she does this dancing finger thing. [ male announcer ] with advanced technology from ge, now doctors can diagnose diseases like breast cancer on a cellular level. so that women, like kristy's mom, can get personalized treatment that's as unique as she is. [ kristy ] she's definitely not like other moms. yeah, my mom is pretty weird. ♪ maybe not. v8 v-fusion juice gives them a full serving of vegetables
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>> osgood: the late author norman mailer was a larger than life character to everyone including his sixth and last wife norris church mailer. shortly before her own death not long ago she spoke about their marriage to our anthony mason. >> reporter: so you moved in with norman mailer right down the street here. in the brooklyn apartment she
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shared with her literacy rock star husband. >> i came here in 1975. >> reporter: norris church mailer, a small town arkansas girl, would live a large and glamorous life. where did you get the frame from? >> you know, i got that in a gallery. >> reporter: he was a pulitzer prize winning author. she became a model, an artist, and his muse. the apartment was sold recently. norris church mailer died last fall, three years after her husband. she was frail, fighting cancer, and had only months to live when we interviewed her. >> i realized in pretty short order, well, if i'm going to write his story, i have to write my story too. >> reporter: but she had just published her memoir. do you feel like you needed to put all those memories some place. >> i did. i guess i wanted to kind of selfishly relive the good ones and maybe try to sort out the
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bad ones. >> reporter: in what would be her last major interview, she talked about life with the charismatic but combustible mailer, the author who won pulitzers for both the army of the night and the executioner's song but who also famously stabbed the second of his six wives with a pen knife. you say in the book, why had i been so consumed by this old fat bombastic lying little dynamo? >> right. >> reporter: kind of sums it up. >> totally. i don't know. i just loved him. no accounting for taste. >> reporter: as she was fond of saying, "i bought a sikt to the circus. i don't know why i was surprised to see elephants." born barbara jeanne davis, she grew up in arkansas. at age 3 she was crowned little miss little rock. by 1975, she was a divorced high school art teacher with a
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young son. when norman mailer came to town to promote a book. how would you describe the chemistry that occurred? >> well, there was something that happened from the moment i walked in the door. it was the old "our eyes met across the crowded room." >> reporter: she was 26. he was exactly twice her age. but she followed him to new york, changed her name, signed with the will mean a modeling agency and became a successful artist and writer herself. but most of all, she became famous for enduring norman mailer. as the author himself said on this program ten years ago. >> she gave a certain dignity to my life that i never had before. now i'm not a mad man. i'm an established family man. >> reporter: it wasn't easy. >> he was on his fourth wife living with another woman had seven kids. i assume you did the math. >> i did the math. it was complicated. >> reporter: not a lot of people would sign up for seven
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step children. what made you embrace that? >> they were just great kids. they embraced me. i liked them. i wasn't trying to be their mother. i wasn't trying to be their boss. i wasn't trying to, you know, i just wanted to have fun with them. >> reporter: but the reaction of new york society wasn't quite as warm. >> people used to come up to me and say, which wife are you. >> reporter: and you would say? >> i would say i'm the only one or i'm the last one. >> reporter: norris and norman became a literacy "it" couple. they had a son together and mailer a famous flan derer was at first at least a reformed man. >> he wanted to try monogamy he said. he wanted to see how deep a relationship could go when you didn't cheat and you didn't lie and you didn't run around and you were totally honest with somebody. he wanted to try it with me. i bought it. i think for about eight years, that really was what happened.
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>> reporter: in 1991 she had her suspicions when she went into his studio. >> of course the first thing i did was filter his desk drawer which was full of letters and pictures and stuff from a number of women. i mean not just one or two but a lot. >> reporter: your whole world must have blown up that day. >> yes, it did. it did. your world just comes crashing down. >> reporter: mailer pleaded with her to stay using what she says was a favorite phrase of his. >> rise above it. rise above it. you didn't marry an angel. i don't have any wings. just stop giving me stuff to rise above. >> reporter: but she did stay. >> did you have a good day? >> fairly good. >> reporter: they were together 33 years. >> i did love my life. i loved my kids. i didn't want to break up another family. >> reporter: in her memoir church wrote if i had left, as i seriously considered only once, i would have always
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wondered what he was up to. and i would have been miserable in my curiosity. >> we had a good relationship. we just had a different one. i never really trusted him again. but i still loved him. >> reporter: in 2001 when sunday morning visited the mailer, norris had just been diagnosed with cancer. over the next decade she survived six major operations. >> at one point as i was going into surgery the doctor said to me that i had a 99% chance of not coming through the surgery. so i kind of said good-bye to everyone. everyone was there. i woke up. a little note on my pillow that my son had left me, mom, you're the one percent. >> reporter: when cancer finally took her last november, norris church mailer was only 61. but she had hung on long enough to finish her book and share the story of what she called a real and painful and
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wonderful life. >> you put up with a lot. >> maybe i did have wings. i don't know. >> osgood: ahead, how dry we were. prohibition remembered. and later, author tyra banks. [ speaking french ]
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were you crying? yeah. >> osgood: this president franklin roosevelt clock with the barroom scene on its face is a collector's piece commemorating the end of prohibition which in the view of many fellow americans didn't come a moment too soon. mo rocca thinks the bad time is back. >> reporter: the nightclub. the speedboat. the mob. men and women drinking together. the booze crews. the spread of jazz. the cocktail. what do they all have in common? they're the result, direct and indirect, of prohibition.
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the nearly 14-year period from 1920 to 1933 when the manufacturers, sale or transportation of intoxicating liquor was illegal in this country. why do you love the story so much? >> the answer to that question is how the hell did that happen? >> reporter: daniel is author of "last call: the rise and fall of prohibition." >> i mean it's just so improbable. how did this freedom-loving country put into the organic, into the constitution this unbelievable stricture that said you can't have a glass of beer? it's really hard to believe. >> reporter: part of the reason was simply that americans like to drink... a lot! >> this country was very, very drunk. in 1830 the average american over 15 years of age drank 7.3 gallons of pure alcohol a year. that's like 1.8 bottles per
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week for every drink in the country. alcoholism is a serious social problem. it was a social problem in the 19th century which prompted prohibition. it is today. >> reporter: producers ken burns and lynn novek collaborated on documentaries about jazz and baseball. and their newest film, airing tonight on pbs, they take on prohibition. >> it was clear that millions of americans had now come to support prohibition for all sorts of reasons. >> reporter: prohibition they billed, they point out, as a one size fits all cure for the ills of american society. >> prohibition was sold not just to solve the problem with alcoholism. it would solve poverty, labor, prostitution, crime, it would get rid of slums. >> reporter: with so many problems to address it's not surprising that the dry coalition was dizzyingly diverse.
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suffergets who originally wanted the vote so they could outlaw deem onliquor. small town protestants threatened by the wave of catholic immigrants and their city saloons. the ku klux klan exploited the pernicious stereotype of the dangerous black man with a bottle. even broadway producers who wanted patrons out of bars and in their theaters. this is sort of the epitome of strange bedfellows. >> you can imagine a very large... some guy wearing a kkk uniform, somebody from the industrial world and jane adams, a very strange bedfellows. >> reporter: is it true that the kkk supportered women's suffrage. >> yes. and the kkk supported it because they knew that women would support prohibition. >> reporter: geez. >> that's the story of prohibition. it's all geez. who knew? >> reporter: but who could possibly wrangle this crazy quilt coalition? >> i think it's clear that the asl was the most powerful
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lobbying group. they also made a constitutional amendment happen. >> reporter: the asl or anti-saloon league. what made them so effective. >> they said to you i don't care what you think about whether babies should be slaughtered or whether we should start wars, we don't care about any of those things at all. you're with us on this one issue. >> reporter: they were not party affiliated. >> they had strong influence of both parties by design. the organization most like it today is the nra. one issue. that's all we care about. >> reporter: and the league's seat of power? not new york. not washington. but westerville, ohio. >> in here was the headquarters of the anti-saloon league. >> reporter: nina thomas is an archivist of the town's anti-saloon league museum. >> you can see right here there's a poster that says the saloon or the boys and the girls. just that emotion of would you rather have a saloon or would you rather have your children. >> reporter: the league employed 200 people in a
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state-of-the-art printing operation that generated 40 tons of propaganda a month. the message was clear. >> shall the mother and children be sacrificed to the financial greed of the liquor trade? it's up to you to decide. >> reporter: even if the facts sometimes weren't. >> you know one and same person owes his insanity to drink. >> reporter: pivotal to prohibition's passage, anti-german sentiment fomented by world war i. schlitz pabst, anheuser busch, all of them german. >> they linked the germans to the brewers so people had that kind of in the back of their heads that this is unamerican. >> reporter: though the brewers and disstillers has vast financial resources they were inept campaigners. here is an ad ex-tolling the virtues of beer. the public relation strategy, i mean, some of the ads, a baby with a beer sign. >> the brewers wanted to separate themselves. they maintained that this was
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poisonous stuff whereas our beer was healthy. they actually called it liquid breath. >> reporter: the dry's had the wet's over a barely and the 18th amendment went into effect at midnight on january 17, 1920. after prohibition became the law how soon was it that it became clear that it wasn't going to work. >> it didn't work around 2:00 a.m. on january 17. i think that the general feeling was in the first year that it could work and that it was working. but as people found ways to exploit, as criminality expanded, as the saloons were able to turn into speak easys and all you need to do is bribe a local cop or judge, these things began to snowball in 1921, 1922. >> reporter: legitimate enterprises were corrupt. and respect for the law corroded. drugstores allowed to dispense
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medicinal alcohol became virtual liquor stores. the wraul green's chain went from 20 stores to 525. but the ultimate buzz-kill for prohibition? >> really is the depression. this incredible crisis that i think, you know, made america kind of take another look and say, wait. what are our priorities? we're spending all this money to enforce a law that nobody wants. >> reporter: and the first few years drinking did decline. 70% from pre-prohibition levels. but the dries were up against something even more powerful than money. >> what you can't successfully legislate against is human appetite. if people want something they're going to find a way to get it. >> reporter: on december, 1933, the 21st amendment passed ending prohibition. >> and prohibition is repealed.
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>> reporter: the only time in history an amendment has been repealed. the noble experiment was over. >> it was a failure by any measure. but positive in its failure, we learn from our failures. we learn let's not try this again. next, good-bye mr. chips. ♪
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it happened this weekend.
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a farewell to a man who kept us in the chips. a grave side service in texas for arch west, retired it from owe lay executive credited with creating doritos. he first encountered tortilla chips at a san diego snack shack back in 1961 while on vacation. three years later he rolled out the doritos which means the little golden in spanish. the rest, you know. (crunching sound) commercials featured pitch men such as jay leno. >> here's a snack chip that bites back. come on. >> osgood: by 1992 doritos had become popular enough to appear in the film wayne's world. mike myers and dana carvey confronted product placement in the movies. >> maybe i'm wrong on this one but for me the beast doesn't include selling out. >> osgood: just this year this
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homemade dorito's commercial won the million dollar grand prize in an annual super bowl competition. today doritos are sold in 23 different flavors all thanks for arch west. small wonder that at yesterday's burial we're told his family tossed dorito's into his grave before they started shoveling the dirt. arch west was 97. >> osgood: ahead, the lady and the
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antebellum on saturday night live just last night. band members have come quite a long way in a short stretch of time. they talk about it now with our ben tracy "for the record." ♪ i'm all alone and i need you now ♪ ♪ said i wouldn't come but i lost all self-control and i need you now ♪ >> reporter: they're a nashville trio that has pulled off a remarkable double play. lady antebellum is one of the hottest country and pop acts around. ♪ baby > last year's "need you now" was the second best selling album of the year. ♪ all the night > now they're out with a new record "own the night" which debuted at number one on the billboard charts.
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their tracks are a mix of lost love longing and southern comfort, fitting for a band that charles kelly says is finally easing into its whirlwind success. >> we're hitting that stride of, okay, man, let's take a little pressure off. let's try to enjoy this and live in these moments we're having and appreciate it. >> reporter: it's an odd twist of fate that these three ever even met. as a nashville native, 25-year-old hillary scott has country music in her blood. her dad is a musician. her mother a country singer. hillary spent part of her childhood on the road tutoring with them. >> for kindergarten i was home schooled and i would go with them on the bus and watch school on videotape. i would like cry when the school bus would go by. i'm like i want friends that aren't 5, you know. >> reporter: by the time she was in high school she was
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performing with her parents in an annual christmas show. >> i knew after that for three years if i could sing christmas songs night after night for like two months straight that i could definitely do this. >> reporter: dave haywood is 29. charles kelly, 30. they met in middle school. >> literally we've been buddies, you know, for 15, you know, or more years now. we grew up together in augusta, georgia. there's just a comfort level of someone you've known forever. >> reporter: they played in cover bands together, attended the university of georgia, and then began to write songs. >> our first attempt was carpe deum was on vacation. >> it took a long time to really catch our stride. ♪ i was walking in the wrong direction ♪ >> reporter: for a time it looked like they might not make music again. charles worked construction.
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dave became an accountant. soon charless moved to nashville. >> he called me in atlanta. i was working in the corporate. he was like, man, i've got to get out of here. i'll do anything. we came up with no job and just writing songs every single day. >> reporter: then the internet intervened. charles posted some of those songs on his myspace page. hillary happened to find them. then by chance ran into charles in a bar. >> i walked over to him. i was like, i'm hillary. i'm a singer/songwriter. i'm here in nashville. i've heard your stuff. i just think you're great. just wanted to give you a compliment. >> i said well let's get together and write some songs. thought i might get a date out of it if nothing else. >> do you want to get together and write? >> but we actually did. that's all we did. and we never stopped. we haven't stopped. >> literally from the day we met hillary it just felt like something was different. it's always had a really really special and unique feeling.
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>> the first time i was really incredibly proud of a song was the first song we ever wrote which was called "all we ever need." we were going this is it. this is the song right here. >> y'all just needed a lady. >> we just needed a woman. >> there you go. >> reporter: what they needed next was a name. >> lady this. lady that. lady... two guys and a girl. blah, blah. >> reporter: clearly they were stumped until one day charles and dave came face to face with some antebellum style homes. >> and charles calls me and says we have it. i was like, okay. and he goes lady antebellum. i was like.... >> she's so nice. i'm sure she didn't like it. she was like ya. we were so passionate that we sold her on it. >> i was like okay fine.
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if we are lucky enough to get a record deal it will probably the first thing to change. >> we were sure that it would be the first thing to go. >> but it stuck. >> now they needed an audience. >> dave was here. we had a full set. there were probably 15 people. >> reporter: lady antebellum performed together for the first time at this nashville bar performing for the first time what would become their first hit. ♪ don't miss you anymore > others quickly followed. and then they struck gold. for in this case multiplatinum. ♪ it's quarter after 1:00. i'm all alone and i need you now ♪ >> reporter: a little ditty about a late night call to a former flame set the band on fire. ♪ and i need you now >> reporter: "need you now" has become the most downloaded
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country song ever. how shockd were you by how giant this song was. >> we had no idea. just to give you, you know, an example of it, we had no idea. we almost didn't record it. >> the song is a drunk dial to an ex. >> reporter: why did it resonate? >> i guess everybody has been there. weather they want to admit it or not ♪ if i ever cross your mind > when you wake up now does it feel real and earned? >> parts of it. there are some parts though that just are the most overwhelming feeling. like the grammys, for instance. >> and the grammy goes to.... >> reporter: at this year's grammys, lady-a, as their fans call them. >> and the grammy goes to.... >> reporter: took home five awards including record of the year and song of the year for "need you now" >> i'll never forget waking up
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the morning after the grammys just laying there looking up at the ceiling going, did that really happen? we knew the most productive thing we could do after that amazing night is to get back to work and to get back into the studio and focus on the music because if that isn't there, everything else is going to suffer. >> reporter: at work on their new album, the group admitted to some nerves. >> we'd be lying if we said there wasn't pressure. but this is so much fun for it. we love creating. we love writing. >> here we go. >> reporter: the two guys and a girl of lady antebellum are savoring success they hadn't planned on quite so soon. >> there's so many other artists who are so unbelieveably talented. for whatever reason, we're the band from nashville that passed on through. we don't take that for
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granted. it's validating but it's also like, why us? you know. ♪ it's a quarter after 1:00 i'm all alone and i need you now ♪ >> osgood: coming up, on trial.
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dating back thousands of years is now filled with symbols of the modern world as journalists cover the sensational murder trial of 24-year-old amanda nox, a former honor student from seattle. >> when 50 tv trucks and 100 reporters suddenly descend into the center, into the historic center of this small town, it's an invasion. >> reporter: author nina burly has written "the fatal gift of beauty." a detailed account of the amanda knox case. >> based on my investigation, amanda knox nox had nothing to do with the murder of her roommate. >> reporter: if only the case was that simple. 21-year-old meredith kurcher, a student from britain, was murdered in november 2007 in the house she shared with nox. prosecutor the prosecutor first developed a theory that
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the woman was killed during a satanic sex orgy. >> his world view is evil walks on this earth. >> reporter: he claims dna evidence backed him up. tabloid headlines made nox out to be a she-devil. nox and her italian boyfriend were convicted of murder in 2009. but this past summer during their appeal trial, the prosecution's case unraveled. >> it's impossible to list the dna evidence, the hair evidence, the finger print evidence that puts amanda knox in the room because it doesn't exist. >> reporter: an independent scientific panel concluded the dna evidence was unreliable. tomorrow amanda knox will give a statement in court proclaiming her innocence. many observers here believe she could be set free by the end of the day.
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is not one for resting on her laurels. tracy smith has our sunday profile. >> reporter: tyra banks knows how to work it. as if it wasn't enough to be a former vic victoria's secret lingerie model she's the head of her own successful media company and a well known tv star. in a perpetual search for america's next top model. >> the woman who started it all tyra banks. >> reporter: at 37, an age when many former super models' best paydays are behind them, banks is bucking the trend. in 2009 four years after her final runway appearance, forbes listed tyra banks as the highest paid woman in prime time with an annual income of $30 million. but you snuck back here a couple of times. but it was hard to imagine that kind of life in the part of los angeles where she grew up. >> this is a lower middle class neighborhood. i wouldn't call it the hood.
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we didn't have gangs and things like that. >> reporter: they also didn't have much money. >> are you ready, ma? north banks was raised by her single mom caroline london in this modest l.a. apartment building. it's a place london hasn't set foot in since the family moved out nearly 20 years ago. >> it looks so much smaller. >> you know why it's smaller? this is what's smaller. >> this arch, my god. i grew a little bit. >> did you grow? >> reporter: her tall thin frame helped make her rich but growing up sometimes got her noticed in very unwelcomed ways. >> i was very skinny. it wasn't just the kids that would make fun of me. i would be grocery shopping with my mom and adults would comment. the ethiopian famine has reached her legs. >> reporter: out of that insecurity grew a vivid
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imagination. >> i wanted to kiss a boy so much. i hadn't yet. all of my friends had. so the mirror that was here was my boyfriend. and i kissed it so much times. like, oh, my god. not just like this. i'm talking like, oh, i think the french kiss thing. there would be so much spit on this mirror. >> reporter: shy or not, young tyra was a good enough student to be admitted to both usc and ucla. but the tall, skinny teen also caught the eye of model scouts. to start a portfolio tyra's mom grabbed her camera and posed her daughter on these stairs next to the garbage can. >> i shot it just like that. that photo stayed in her portfolio for like two years. >> reporter: is that right? >> did you know, mom, then that tyra would be tyra? >> no. (laughing). >> i thought it would be a
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phase that she went through, that she would experience and say, well, i did that and then go on to what i really wanted her to do was to go to college. ♪ i'm going to be a super model ♪ > but college would have to wait. tyra banks became "the" face every designer seemed to want. a fixture at victoria's secret and the first african-american woman on the coveted cover of the "sports illustrated" swim suit issue. but she realized she couldn't model forever. in 2005, tyra banks decided to strut off the runway for good. >> i don't know if that was the smartest thing in the world to do. it paid off. of course in hindsight everything is like, i was so smart. but just in hindsight, it was kind of throwing all my eggs into one basket. >> reporter: that basket was television. >> i want to make a top model in eight weeks. i want to pick someone from obscurity. >> reporter: banks had started her own reality show: america's next top model in 2003. and her own emmy award-winning
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talk show a few years later. >> levi johnson.... >> reporter: a big part of her appeal with her unabashed honesty about the beauty industry that made her famous. >> people in the industry would say like oh, my god tyra's thighs are a little big. >> reporter: it seems like every time you turned around you were peeling off another layer of yourself. it's like i have to let you know that this is not real. i have to let you know that my boobs are sagy. i feel like it's a responsibility. i don't know how to not do that. >> reporter: not long ago she figured there was a book in there somewhere. >> so i said, what am i going to write about? write what you know. >> reporter: and she knows the beauty business. her novel "model land" is a sci-fi story of an aspiring young model with very familiar features. >> she's 15 years old. she's around 5'9", 5'10", thin
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and awkward. she has a very large forehead. >> reporter: the message is that any one of any size, shape or color can be beautiful. >> model land has monsters and mutants and all kinds of crazy stuff but it's still about the definition of beauty. >> reporter: the novel is only the latest edition to an ever- growing media empire. so to help manage it all, tyra banks is a student at the mother of all business schools. that really famous one up in boston. is there something to it being harvard? >> most definitely. most definitely there's something to do with it being harvard. harvard business school. in order for my company to grow and be the best and to reach these women and to serve them, i go for the best. >> reporter: but the best ain't cheap. banks and her fellow students in the harvard owner president manager course spent three weeks on campus a year for
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three years and pay around $31 grand a year in tuition. so it is pretty exclusive. >> yeah, pretty exclusive. >> reporter: and it's expensive too. >> quite expensive but i feel like it is worth it. i feel like it is so so worth it. >> reporter: $2,000 a day, tyra? >> $1750. >> reporter: (laughing) she also will get things that money can't buy. like the title of harvard business school alum. have you been underestimated? >> all the time. like i feel like i kind of live with the wind at my face. >> reporter: still? >> yeah. still. yeah, i do. even little blog things that i see, you know, saying i was in school in harvard. what is a model going to harvard? that's actually a good thing because when people have low expectations you're constantly going like ta-da. and they're like wow. it doesn't take a lot to wow them. >> reporter: maybe that's why
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america's next top mogul has a special fondness for a little house in l.a., where love was the main asset and expectations were always sky high. >> i told her every experience is good. if it's a learning experience. and to look at this woman now, i can sit back and i can say she heard her mama. >> you better start packing a handgun. coming up, john wayne still the duke. have acids that can soften our enamel. once you've lost your enamel it's gone for good. pronamel iso-active is different, it's new, it's a toothpaste in a can. it starts off as a gel, transforms into a foam and actually surrounds your teeth and gets into all those nooks and crannies. dentists recommend pronamel.
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>> the toughest man south of the picket wire. next to me. >> it's sunday morning on cbs and here again is charles osgood. >> osgood: that's john wayne, the duke. his no nonsense role in the
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1962 film. fans who can't get enough of his movies, there will be an opportunity later this week to acquire one of his personal keepsakes as john blackstone is about to show us. >> reporter: we knew him on the big screen as the cow boy. the co-pilot. >> fall back. >> reporter: the colonel. but the private john wayne stood just as tall as the characters he played. >> life with him was at least for me was an adventure. >> reporter: ethan wayne is the little boy in these home movies, young... john wayne's youngest son. >> we didn't live in hollywood. we lived at the beach. we didn't have body guards. if we heard noise on the dock we would get guns and walk out and say who the hell is out there. >> reporter: john wayne was and 32 years after his death still is one of this country's
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most popular actors. in a poll just this year of america's favorite movie stars he ranks third after johnny depp and denzel washington. >> john wayne was not only the most important film star of the 20th century in america. he's actually one of the most important americans of the 20th century. >> reporter: john powers is film critic for vogue magazine. >> you better start packing a handgun. >> he defined an entire sense of manhood, authority.... >> out here a man settles his own problems. >> ...and powerful control of self in a situation that people yearned to have protect them and yearned to be themselves. >> reporter: now for the first time those admiring fans have a chance to take a little piece of john wayne's history home with them. personal items his family has stored for decades will be sold at a public auction later this week in los angeles. what compelleded you to start selling your father's things? >> i just thought it was a
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natural to let some of this go out and live with people who will really appreciate it. >> reporter: there are letters from famous friends. scripts and costumes. the outfit from mcclintock. the cap from the high and the mighty. an eye patch from true grit. the 1969 film for which he won his oscar. >> i didn't think i would get excited about this thing, but i gt all goy. >> reporter: at an auction preview in dallas fans still speak of wayne with reference. >> i love john wayne. love him. i watch the movies. >> he finishes the lines. >> ...your hands. >> reporter: ethan's brother patrick. >> if you had told me 30 years ago that my father's celebrity
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and popularity would be as big as it is today, i would have said you're crazy. >> reporter: wayne often took his family on location. sometimes even got them roles in his films. you were in a movie with your dad. how did that happen? >> he came in and said we're going to mexico. you're going to be in this movie. you have to wear that outfit. >> reporter: the film was big jake. >> he'd say now go over there. you're scared because this guy has a knife. he's going to come after you. so you be scared over there. >> i'm scared. >> so am i. don't let them know it. >> reporter: born marian morrison and nicknamed duke after his pet dog, john wayne starred in nearly 200 movies. with his distinctive style, he came to embody the american hero. >> let's go home, debbie. >> reporter: in films like the searchers, considered by many the greatest western ever made.
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>> john was actually a great screen actor. >> there's a way in which he just walks so beautifully that you love watching him do it. he looks so comfortable carrying a gun. you just admire that. the way he takes charge in a situation is reassuring. it's beautiful and nice. >> stick close to me and maybe a little of it will rub off on you. >> reporter: hits characters were pretty uniform, rough take-charge, men of action and simple values. his personal life was more complicated. three wives, health issues, saddled with financial troubles. and his patriotic values and conservative politics made him one of the most polarizing figures of his time. he was a hawk on vietnam. >> i think we should have won it about four years ago at about a quarter of the loss of men and had the respect of the world. instead of that, we pussy foot
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around. now we're trying to get out of it without being a disgrace. >> reporter: wayne visited the war effort. >> how are you? >> fine. >> reporter: and the anti-war effort at harvard university. he arrived there on a tank but opted for the charm offensive. >> you look at yourself as the fulfillment of the american dream? >> i don't look at myself any more than i have to, friend. >> reporter: but many today still look at wayne as the very model of american manhood. >> you can look at presidential candidates. they run as if they're john wayne. for example, governor rick perry from texas. the way he carries himself, his whole style is very much steeped in an idea of the cow boy that comes out of john wayne. >> the green breet. >> reporter: wayne's family is selling only part of an
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enormous collection. some things are just too precious to part with. the presidential medal of freedom, the congressional gold medal. and it just says john wayne, american. >> yeah. >> reporter: nothing more needed to be said. >> nope. i think he'd be very happy with that. >> reporter: ethan was 17 when john wayne died of cancer at 72. you drove him to the hospital? >> yeah. he came in one night. he wasn't feeling well. he said, you know, come on, boy. you have to drive me to to the hospital. i don't think it ever registered to me that he wouldn't come out. he came out of everything. >> reporter: when ethan wayne lost his father, millions of americans lost their hero. >> well, come see if that old man sometime. >> reporter: but john wayne seems not to have lost his power to inspire.
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the bigger one... the smaller one... and the one that plugs in. they're all a little different, just like us. >> osgood: as many of you may have heard, andy rooby delivers his last regular commentary on "60 minutes" tonight. which got us to remembering some of the commentaries andy rooney has done for sunday morning over the years.
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>> i do think doctors should be more careful about time than they are. they act as though their time is the only time that matters. most of us who go to a doctor's office wait an hour to get in to see him or her. the time we do get in to see them we're really sick, sick of sitting there. i don't want to sound like an ugly american, but it seems proper that thanksgiving is so exclusively ours. we should keep it to ourselves. let's face it. we've got more to be thankful for than the people of most other countries. a few years ago i spoke in columbus ohio to an auditorium filled with about 2,000 members of some group. i told them that there's no doubt you lose some memory as you get older but you make up for it with experience. you get to know more. for instance, i said i ate in a restaurant in columbus the night before and wish i could remember the name of it because with the experience i had i want to remember not to
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eat there again. >> osgood: thank you and all the best, andy rooney. to us, your colleagues, you are the best. now to bob schieffer in washington for a look at what's coming up on "face the nation." good morning, bob. >> schieffer: good morning, charles. the burning question: is new jersey governor chris christie running for the republican presidential nomination? we'll talk about it with john mccain, haley barbour and martin o'malley. >> osgood: thank you, bob schieffer. we'll be watching. next week here on sunday morning. >> reporter: what is your job when you step out on to the stage? >> it is to make people happy. >> osgood: mo rocca talks the talk with ellen degeneres. she has kind of funny looking toes. she's always touching my hair. and she does this dancing finger thing. [ male announcer ] with advanced technology from ge, now doctors can diagnose diseases like breast cancer on a cellular level. so that women, like kristy's mom,
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