Furthur Live at Fox Theater on 2009-09-19
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Estimated Prophet >
Friend Of The Devil
Feel Like A Stranger
Hell In A Bucket
Shakedown Street >
New Speedway Boogie
China Cat Sunflower >
I Know You Rider
Playing In The Band >
Eyes Of The World >
Help On The Way >
One More Saturday Night
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|Playing In The Band->|
|I Know You Rider|
|Help On The Way->|
|China Cat Sunflower->|
|Hell In A Bucket|
|Eyes of The World->|
|Friend of The Devil|
|New Speedway Boogie|
|Feel Like A Stranger|
|One More Saturday Night|
- 2009-09-24 03:28:10
- Korg MR-1000 -> AudioGate (16/44) -> CD Wave -> FLAC
- Oakland, CA
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- Fox Theater
Subject: I'm Sold
Subject: best move yet
Subject: It's about the Music
Subject: Dead incarnations
The beauty of the Grateful Dead over their history is that they played for 30+ years, and never played one show or even song exactly the same. The band evolved, going through different incarnations (ie keyboard players) and experiences. A show from '84 is a world away from a show in '68. Which is better? Thats mostly a matter of opinion/preference but a great joy of listening to the dead is to be able to hear the band at such different and interesting points in their journey.
While obviously true, the band will never be the same as it was without Jerry. Fine. Accept that and get over it. There are still some kick ass muscisians out there playing some incredible shows. I'm thankful that I still get to see Bobby out there jumping around the stage and Phil jamming along. Each incarnation of the Dead has brought a different angle on dead music. I think its incredible that we get to see such talented people playing such amazing music. the Grateful Dead will never be again, but the spirit and music of the band will live on, and we should be thankful we can still experience it live, in any form we can.
Subject: It Is what it is
Dr. Pinky opining again. Of course it is important to get new songs. Otherwise every concert would be restricted to Morning Dew, Viola Lee Blues, Cream Puff War and the Golden Road (which I wouldn't mind hearing again). But what I meant was that the most important thing was the quality and innovation of the playing. Not whether the songs were new.
On one hand you admit that the band sounds pretty good. Yet you dismiss John Kadlecik as an inauthentic copy, as if he were some cheap Elvis impersonator.
But copies are always hollow. Yet, John’s playing has soul, spark, and innovation. There’s no doubt he is an accomplished Garcia stylist. But he uses this style as vehicle for improvisation.
Of course he’s not Jerry. No one is, and no one ever will be. But just listen to an interview with JGB’s Melvin Seals, who plays with John in a group called “The Mix”: “A lot of guys have a note or two or some signatures, but John has done his homework. He spent some time listening to Jerry and learning some finer things that other people don’t get. And yes, when I hear John play I hear Jerry all over again. It doesn’t bother me because I like that sound. I liked playing with Jerry. It’s not the same thing--I recognize that. But it’s mighty nice.”
And as far as your desire for something NEW, most Deadheads I know didn’t go to concerts to hear new songs. They went to hear new and exciting versions of old songs, drawn from the vast Dead repertoire. Using this criteria, Furthur delivers.
Subject: FUN! and some major highlights
The combos at this show were the highlights for me - Bertha-Good Lovin, China-Rider, Help-Slip-Franklins - as was the raging Saturday Night to top it off. This second set seemed more uneven to me than Nights 1 and 3, but still was ON for all of us lucky enough to be there.
Everyone at these shows knew that the Boys are BACK!!!
I have a suggestion for the sad people who think that this is somehow a cheap imitation: please stay away from the shows - there will be more tickets for the folks into participating in magic NOW. You one star people act like you're the only ones who appreciate the Good Old Grateful Dead. After 25+ years, I think I get it, and Furthur is tapping into the well. And I'm happy about it!
Subject: If you get confused - listen to the music play and wherever we go the people all complain
The JGB in the mid to late 70s had several incarnations and the object was not to recreate the last sound. True they had Jerry and he was the draw and I understand that.
Well this is the same thing. Jerry ( God rest his soul ) is gone so now Bobby and Phil are the draw with this Band. The Deads 2009 draw was the 4 original members.
I saw over 200 dead shows and probably 100 shows
with The Dead - Ratdog - Phil - Further Fest - The Other Ones etc.. Never was I looking for a recreation. I love these songs that Ive listened to for 30 years and also dig new stuff too. It's the scene - the escape - the feeling, at least for me.
This Futher band is good stuff - enjoy it while we still have.
Subject: A little disconcerting . . .
I appreciated Phil's earlier attempts, with Jimmy and Warren, Ryan, and finally Jackie . . . he11 at least they mixed it up and were not trying to sound just purrrfeccct. I just drank the purrfeccct cup of coffee out of a styrofoam cup!
If this is the direction the boyz are going, well o.k., I think I'm going to hang on to my Pigpen, Donna, and Keith, and Brent era tapes/cd's and play those. At least those tunes were genuine. We truly are in a recession/depression. Hurts my heart . . .
Subject: Quick Point
"And as far as your desire for something NEW, most Deadheads I know didn’t go to concerts to hear new songs. They went to hear new and exciting versions of old songs, drawn from the vast Dead repertoire."
I can't say as I agree with this at all. Back when releases like Blues for Allah, Terrapin Station and Shakedown Street were all new or maybe only a year or two old, folks dug hearing the newer material a lot. I went to a plenty of shows in '77-'79 and hearing those early Scarlet>Fires and Estimated>Eyes (not to mention a good Terrapin, I Need A Miracle or Crazy Fingers) was always a treat...even back then. I would love it if the guys do decide to break out more new tunes when they play out later this year and next year.
As for this latest band - I enjoy it and I'm looking forward to hearing them play in December.
Subject: Have Fun
Subject: Why the same stuff over and over?
I suppose the show is good standing alone, but against the body of true Grateful Dead material available, I struggle to give it two stars.
Jerry Garcia was a huge musical force in the band to be sure, but is the solution to him not being alive to play to pick out the guitarist who plays his parts in Dark Star Orchestra? In my opinion the way to keep the spirit of the Dead going is to MOVE FORWARD and create new music, not play with a guy that's function in his own band is to impersonate Jerry.
Phil and Bobby need to sit down, write some new music (yes I know that Phil busted out a new song during this run, that's exactly what I'm talking about), and try to take their music in a new direction; or at least one that doesn't dwell incessantly on replacing Jerry with someone to play exactly like him.
As good as some of this sounds, they need to move on. Its been 14-odd years since Jerry died; and I'm not saying that we should never listen to vintage Dead, or that no one should ever play a Jerry song again...I'd just like to see something new happen.
I still can't get over people are mad.. hahah
Subject: Very Listenable, but still "Toy Dead"
the conclusion that, while the musicianship
is more than acceptable, they are doing a disservice to the original Dead by slavishly
imitating a unique musical idiom and failing
in the attempt. Mentally suspend associations
with the original band, and this stuff comes
out as entirely approachable but hardly epic.
But, connect it with its immortal antecedent
forms, and the whole enterprise grates on the
ear as "Dead Lite", and grows artificial,
irrelevant and ultimately disrespectful and
rather sad. While we all knew the lack of Garcia
would have a gravely damaging effect on the band's
further efforts, it's astonishing to reflect how
deeply his lack of presence reams the core right
of out the principles that defined the Dead
My recommendation? Continue as a musical
entity, play no Dead cover tunes and dispense
with the pretensions. Now, you've got a nice,
innovative ensemble with plenty of talent and
no baggage. Take it from there, and I'll be happy
to buy a ticket next time you're in town, fellas!
Subject: This was my favorite night of the 3
Subject: Was There, At It
Regardless of our nitpicking ala sonic quality, this recording is adequately representative of that which I expressed in the opening paragraph of this review.
And if it's not "there" for you, just turn it up, my friend, turn it up. And you'll be there.
although personaly i think stu allen from JGB whould have been my first choice to see play in any dead formation, JK does a very respectable immitation. i just hope that if there is another journey awaiting us, that these guys stick together for as long as it takes to get in the groove and let the good times roll again.
4 stars for sound, 3 1/2 for performance
Subject: WHAT CAN I SAY
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