Grateful Dead Live at Winterland Arena on 1973-11-11
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This date has been commercially released on "Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings"
E:Uncle John's Band, Johnny B. Goode>And We Bid You Goodnight
Shntool fix (by Tony Gardner) of previous Tony Gardner 'patched eyes' seed; See info file for details; Disks 1-2 MSR>Cass>Cass>DATs>CDRs; Disk 3 MSR>Cass>DATs>CDRs; With Eyes patched from MSR>?>DAT>CDR
- 2004-04-05 19:46:57
- MSR>Cass>Cass>DATs>CDRs>EAC>SHN; MSR>Cass>DATs>CDRs>EAC>SHN
- San Francisco, CA
- This date has been commercially released on "Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings"
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- Winterland Arena
Subject: With our bodies entwined together
i ---------noticed so many reviews from 05
N----------o way you should miss this recording
D-------------o I wish every show was this pristine
Subject: Dark Star>Eyes
Subject: My Favorite Dark Star Into A Wonderful Eyes.
Subject: Holy Sugar Shits!!!!
Subject: Dark star
this is one awesome Winterland run!
worth the bones for the box but too bad we cant listen for free..
Subject: Dark Star!
but this Dark Star is really out of sight. Primal dead and the second set feel lives deep in this jam, reaching over 35 minutes and spanning WAY larger territory than most i have heard. Less in your face than the 69' dark stars, this one turns into a fusion jam about two thirds in that will go on to foreshadow the magnificent jazzy jams that would perfect themselves in 1974. Jerry twinges Stella Blue and drives the jam towards a more cohesive, melodic jam.
I can't say enough about this second set, or that beautiful Dark Star.
Subject: We Would Not Leave, We Would Not Go Home
In appreciate for three superb performances in a row, and after they had finished their encore of UJB, Bill Graham's farewell song "Greensleeves" came upon the P.A. Then, after several minutes the house lights came up and there we were - all blinking at one another. We (same crowd each night) had just witnessed the greatest experience of our young lives and we would not leave.
First we started clapping. Then we began screaming "MORE" and after that we set ourselves to stomping on the floor. Then we clapped, screamed "MORE" and stomped the floor simultaneously, in unison and as one unified body for 25 solid, nonstop minutes. Very few of the original crowd left. We stood our ground because we wanted to bid them a goodnight.
All of a sudden, at the smiling crescendo of our final vociferous demand, the house lights came down and the band donned the stage for a double encore.
When it was done a fully satiated crowd funneled out through Winterland's portals into the dark and quiet night. There was every bit the evidence that we were all going straight home to bed for, after a donnybrook like that, any further merry-making would have been superfluous.
Subject: Holy SMokes!
Subject: Top 10 show of all time!!!!
This is a must have for any deadhead! As for the sound it couldnt be any better. Their are a few flaws in the recording, but nothing major- dropouts during eyes and 1/2 step, but they are patched with an aud source i believe. Overall this is a 5 star show no question about it.
Subject: just download it
the 1/2 step --> eyes is unreal... listen to it again and again and remind yourself why you think the dead is maybe the best band of musicians to have ever graced this green earth.
Subject: deadbase 9 darkstar as thinking man's darkstar
Subject: Special shoutout to Keith - this is his finest performance!
There is no question in my mind this is the best show from 1973 - It is riveting start to finish. The sound quality is very good as well.
Subject: My Favorite Eyes!
Jerry by now has dipped around the bend and is waving from the shadows behind the moon. Greatest story has always felt that way to me. Jerry is almost extending, hmmif youve seen Donnie Darko, his notes are like that plasma fluid thing. I dont know, I can feel it, I can see it, but Ill be damned if I can explain it. Donna isnt really on, but she doesnt kill this show. The Greatest story is nothing short of awesome. Reviews of bobbys voice being off are true, but did you listen to what Jerry is doing. Just push the voice away. A nice sugaree, an eh BT Wind. A freaking beautiful To lay me down.freaking beautiful. Jerrys voice has the edge of 89 with the clarity of 68just incredible. And when Donna isnt trying to do Janis screams she can add nicely, which she does here.
One thing that always irks me abit is when someone says they only really like Jerry tunes and then use that as an explanation for why they dont like a song. For example El Paso. If you dont dig country thats one thing, but while not sung or arranged by Jerry he ripped this tune numerous times over the years.b/c he loved playing it. Sometimes Im not into a song for awhile and then I will hear Jerry completely absorbed in a version and I find a way to love it. This El Paso falls into said class. The man is simply having a blast runnin scales over it. Great version. Ramble on Rose is never anything but great. Just an impeccably well written song. Bobby McGee, a song that got played about 100 times in 2 years, and then 20 times over the next 22 they were really cooking on this one. Keith starts to settle in nicely during this. It very interesting listening to this show from the perspective of knowing the ending. The first set is almost like they are all getting reaquanted with one another and then finally with China Cat>Rider all the pleasantries and introductions are over and its down to business. Phil bombs, watch out! One of my favorite China Cats hands down, its really fantastic, super duper even. Turn on a dime time starts now and does not stop, well really for the next 2 weekslol what a band. Very strong me and my uncle. Loose Lucy is middle of road, I love this tune but this is not one of the better ones out there. WRP>Let it GrowBobbys vocals arent the best they ever were but they are fine here. Jerry rips LIG apart, sick version. The ½ Step opener is what it was then, underdeveloped.
The next hour of music ranks among the best the band ever played imo. It starts out with a crumpkickity Big River. Yea I made up that word, so what. To review this Dark Star the way Id like would require a whole page of its own so I will just say it definitely ranks high. Its not my favorite, top 10, sometimes, top 20 for sure. I guess it depends on the week. It doesnt wobble in wind as much as some from 72 and isnt as full of chops as in 74, and its not like many other 73 versions. Include the MLB jam and it jumps up to the higher ranks, include the whole segment and its historic music. Its great-period.
For my money this is the eyes I would want. Its structure is brilliant, Keith and Bob both play major roles, its tight and lose. There is, as mentioned a fumble changing into a minor scale in the breakdown, but I have found that when they didnt have one or two of them in 73 74 they usually werent pushing the limits, more of a play through. All the big name eyes have a miscue if you look for them. What sets this apart for me is the interplay and the mix. The mix is perfectperfect. They are bouncing off each other in a very special way. I wish I was listening to it right now so I could include a few time signatures, but I am at work with up to Big river only. An inspiring china doll segued into just right.
After that segment the rest of the show is nothing special. Just some playing around really and Bobs voice comes back to sink Sugar Mags. There are a few cuts and patches here and there, notably a seemingly damaged sbd reel for a bit of eyes. However I kind of like the texture it produces..any longer would be no good, but its just right.
Set II 9.5/10
p.s. Zonker- Im glad you enjoyed the morning dewwait, huh?
Subject: a good show
Subject: a good show
Subject: a good show
Subject: This is the Grateful Dead!
Without a question download this
Subject: a few weak points that haven't been addressed...
There's a weird tape cut at the end of Promised Land into Bertha. The energy level rises in Bertha, things start to cook... but Bobby's vocals are ragged. By Greatest Story, Bob's voice is really sounding strained. Donna is trying to harmonize, but that just makes it worse. Sugaree is nice. Black throated wind suffers from Bob's strained vocals again.
Later we're off to El Paso... and something strange happens... Bobby's voice is FINE! This song is in his range, his singing is comfortable, expressive, and assured. Why does he strain and holler through songs when he can sing like this? Keith also steps out with some energetic piano.
Ramble on Rose is okay, Phil (who has been doing the occasional nice run) drops some NICE bombs coming out of the solo. Jerry's playing is lovely and expressive. Bobby McGee is cool too, with Bobby McWeir's voice just fine again, and Keith doing some cool saloon-style piano. China/Rider is mellow, but good. Jerry lays way back in the transition, and Bob's guitar work (which is crystal clear in the mix) is nice. Me & My Uncle is good, thankfully Bobby has been sticking with the cowboy songs that are in his vocal range. Lucy is fine, but I didn't think it was anything special. WRS/Let It Grow suffers from Bobby's strained vocals again, Jerry's playing is quick and jazzy through the L.I.G. jam, and really does some mindbending work, but I'll be looking for a version where Bob's voice sounds better.
A lot has been said about the second set, and I mostly agree. Big River hasn't been mentioned much, but it's fantastic. Jerry does some nice work-he seems to have some equipment trouble during his second solo, and lays out for a bit while Bob and Keith do some really energetic vamping and the tune just catches fire coming back into the final chorus.
The Dark Star is incredible, and Eyes is too... although the way Phil had been 'hinting' all night, I was really ready for him to tear up the 3rd vamp section where he often 'solos'- and he sounds ready to do it, doing some cool runs leading into the section... but Jerry deedles a bit like HE's going to take one... and then Phil just lays out. There is some weird tape source patching kind of stuff happening here too, and a couple of the transistions to the minor key are shaky.
Sugar Magnolia suffers from Bob's voice, reaching its nadir at the end with a bunch of screaming and caterwauling and carrying on... maybe you had to be there.
I was scared of Uncle John's Band being ruined by Bobby's voice, but he's pretty quiet, and Phil steps to the mic, which is always nice. Johnny B. Goode, a nothing special tune with strained vocals again.
And We Bid You Goodnight is great, Bob tries to end the show with a 'thankyouallgoodnight' but Jerry sets it off, as if posessed by the holy ghost, doing some really cool gospel style lead singing over some nice harmony singing, with Donna doing a lovely job and Bob singing comfortably.
I don't want to sound like the grumpy guy who has to rain on the parade of everyone's favorite show, but there are some weak points that I didn't think had been addressed in the reviews thus far. Overall I do think this is a good show, and the sound quality and mix are fantastic. I'll probably commit taper's blasphemy and chop up this show to fit second set highlights onto a single disc, maybe look for a better '73 first set.
Subject: Winterland Wonderland
The section with the AUD patch sounds just as good as the rest of it, except you can hear the audience a little. I wonder why more audience shows from the Wall of Sound years don't exist - you get a little of the ambience of being there combined with great sound.
Subject: wow... do it now
Subject: Tracking is F'd up !
Subject: Great Show, Many Highlights
Having said that the WRS is very good ending the set. To start the next set miss half step (listen to the few notes of mountain jam played at the begening of the song, possibly a glimpse ito the epic cow palace allman brothers show (12/31/73) w/ a lot of the dead and boz and others doing a intense mountain jam)..anyways, a great miss 1/2 step (with donna mixing well instead of screaching), then the best segement of the show, imo, big river, dark star, eyes. the DS>eyes is 55 minutes of extremely well spent time. One of the best Dark stars, imo, which runs the gambit from cacophonous, to trippy, to happy and all points inbetween, right into a mesmerizing eyes.
In the end, all that should be said is that if you havent heard this show, you are doing your ears an injustice.
Subject: greatest ever
Subject: The Eyes
Even the low points of the show are very well played and the best are transcendent. A gem.
Subject: Grateful Dead 101
Subject: To Lay Me Down
As Ringo sang "Don't pass me by!"
Subject: What's The Point?
Subject: You Have Found What You've Been Looking For
This simply is one of THE BEST shows of the Grateful Dead's long and magical career.
A Desert Island Disc for sure in the closing set but it is all good...melts...just like butter.
Subject: peak years
Subject: Doesn't get much better than this
Subject: Best Dark Star of 1973? Without question!
- Best of all time? Perhaps! (all IMHO)
- I'm not sure what 'thinking man's Dark Star' means (see the dr. below), but if it pertains to all the endlessly intricate and creative passages herein, so be it.
- Of all 'third stage' Dark Stars (1972-1974, see http://deadlists.com/dlsite/dark_star.txt for an excellent database/discussion of Dark Stars), this, IMHO, is hands down #1. Though it's apples and oranges to compare shows from this era with, say, the late 70's, I'd give up a 'rockin' 1977 show any day to keep this as my one 'desert island' show.
- Download and enjoy.
Subject: This show is amazing...
Subject: Best of 1973?
Set 2 starts with an overlooked 1/2 Step and then perhaps the greatest Dark Star ever. Including the Mind Left jam about 30 minutes. This goes to places unforseen. The only song to follow is of course Eyes. Jerry snakes thru multiple grooves here which eventually melts into China Doll. An Uncle John's encore is only an afterthought at this point. A Must!
Subject: Dont forget El Paso
Subject: Stop what you're doing, download this show now
Subject: 2nd set is insane..
Subject: Mindblowing 2nd Set!
Subject: Top 10!
Dr. Flashback ;-)
Subject: One of the best ever.
Subject: Garcia's Finest
GET THIS SHOW!!! Kick off your shoes, tip the recliner back, smoke 'em if you got 'em, and get ready for your journey...
Subject: Get this show if you don't have it..