. >>> three people have been killed in clashes between police and protesters in pakistan. hundreds were injured. police fired tear gassed as crowds threatened to march to the prime minister's home. the protestors have been demonstrating for two weeks now. they say the last election was rigged and they want the prime minister to step down. he has refused. >>> a tragic start to the labor day weekend at a beach in oregon. a 9-year-old girl was killed when a hole she was digging caved in. isabelle grace franks was playing with her siblings when the accident happened on friday. people frantically tried to dig her out but sand kept collapsing into the hole. witnesses say the hole was several feet deep. mourners left flowers and candles near the hole that is now filled in. >>> in iceland, authorities issued another aviation alert. it comes after another fresh lava eruption near a volcano. planes were banned from flying within 6,000 feet of the volcano's peak. no ash has been detected and authorities later lowered the alert. >>> now to the nfl's first openly gay player dropped by

pakistan, uzbekistan. on the other hand, there is the west. i think we have been very slow in convincing putin that he cannot go all the way. i think we should have acted earlier in providing more explicit support for ukraine. i have been on the record while urging an eventual accommodation. we can come back to that. urging an eventual accommodation to russia. we should have been willing to say to russia and others, ukraine is in effect disarmed. we're going to provide defensive weapons to the ukrainians which can be used against invading tanks, against invading artillery, which can give the ukrainians some sense that they can defend their cities more effectively than is the case today. we've let that drag for several months. i think push is coming to shove. the next week is going to be very important. one of the reasons we have been so slow is that it's divided. i think now increasingly all the major partners in nato and the european union are in favor of a common stand. >> at the end of this week there will be a nato summit in wales. what is

. >>> two more people were killed between clashes with police and protesters in pakistan. protesters who have been demonstrating for two weeks say the last election was rigged and they want him to step down. he has refused. >>> breaking overnight here in the u.s. a 3.4 magnitude earthquake rattled homes about five miles southwest of napa, california. this happened about 5:00 a.m. eastern. we have gotten reports thankfully no damage. no injuries so far. but this was a minor quake that comes, as you know, a week to the day. it was a week ago today i was sitting here talking to you all through the camera with a magnitude of 6.0 that hit a mile away causing a dozen of injuries and a billion dollars in property damage. >>> let's talk about what happened in oregon because this is such a frightening scenario. >> especially for all the families that are going to the beach or are at the beach this weekend. listen to this story. a 9-year-old girl was killed when a hole she was digging caved in. this was on lincoln city beach. she was playing with her siblings when this accidents hap

two people have been killed more than 150 hurt in clashes between protesters and police in pakistan. police fired tear gas as the crowd threatened to march to the prime minister's home. the protesters who have demonstrate forward two weeks say the last election was rigged and they want sharif to step down. >> also in the u.s. 3.4 earthquake rattled homes about five miles southwest of napa, california. it happened just before 5:00 a.m. eastern. we have no reports fortunately of damage or injuries but remember, this minor quake is coming just a week to the day after we were all sitting here last week at this time talking about an earthquake with a magnitude of 6.0 in that same area. that caused dozens of injuries and a billion dollars in property damage. >> the nfl's first openly gay player is out of a job. michael sam waived by the team days before the start of the season. >> also, fans are waiting to hear if joan rivers is getting better. she is still in the hospital this morning, we have details on how she is doing and we'll share that with you next. she's still the one for you. and

they are spread out across the world and cities, not isolated in remote areas like afghanistan and pakistan. is this why so many counterterrorism officials and people like hagel seem so alarmed and concerned? >> well, they are alarmed on a couple levels. one is isis is much bigger than the 10 to 15,000 people we keep hearing. they are supported by the tribes and eastern syria by the tribes, not all of them, some of them and by the sunni middle class. we're seeing a sunni rising. they are going to use them until they don't need them anymore. additionally, they have seized gold. they have got the old fields. they have got wheat production. they are part of a tigerous river. they are self-sustaining. if we think isis will go away in six months, i think we're badly mistaken. if we have to go in and destroy them, which is possible, our military can do it, will they take revenge against the united states and i think it's almost certain, although they don't have a track record so far of international terrorism. >> thank you so much. >>> just ahead, did president obama misfire with his messages whe

pakistan is a different kettle of fish. we have a diplomatic relationship with pakistan but not with syria. how does that change the metric? >> to correct something we were very involved inside pakistan for a number of years because we have a relationship with that country both military and political. the same is true of iraq. we -- the united states has been invited to support the iraqi government and is doing so. syria is no it a permissive environment and the key difference is that the assad government is not part of the solution, it's part of the problem. it's part of what has enabled isis to grow to the force, you know, that it is. but, you know, whatever we decide to do is based on that definition of the mission, the most discrete thing would be to go after those responsible for the death of james foley much like going after osama bin laden. but what the president is wrestling with is you have multiple conflicts and adversaries, the assad regime, isis and hezbollah and others. and the second is can you take effective

. >> reporter: her sister fowzia made the decision to speak to cnn from her home in karachi, pakistan, because the family doesn't want terrorists carrying out attacks in aafia's name. after the brutal beheading of james foley, a letter sent to his family reveals how isis claimed to have requested aafia siddiqui's release. it said we offered prisoner exchanges to free the muslims currently in your detention, like our sister, aafia siddiqui. >> any kind of kidnappers, isis, whoever wants to claim aafia, i am aafia's sister. we are aafia's family. and we speak on her behalf as well. we want no violence in aafia's name. our whole struggle has been one that is dignified, that is peaceful, and that is legal. >> reporter: a pakistani neuro scientist in the u.s. went missing. then she was listed as a sought after al qaeda member. in 2008, she reappeared, stopped by afghan national police, for acting suspiciously outside a government building. she was accused of shooting at two fbi agents and several military personnel, while being held at an afghan facility and sentenced by a u.s. federal jud

i traveled with them to india and pakistan. while i was in pakistan in quetta, i had a meeting, a chance encounter with the taliban. i was just walking the local neighborhood with a local fixer so to speak. and i came upon this group of about seven or eight guys. and i sought to convey to them our views with the group, which is to bring about change in the world, you have to be more observant. but they held aloft their ak-47s and they said, no, this is the way you bring about change. so when i got back from pakistan in 1995, in september, they had taken over afghanistan. and i took that as a validation of their world view. look, indeed, change had come. and it could only be achieved through violence. and so that's the political violence aspect. but then you take it to an even greater degree. now, now, how do you select an outgroup to dehumanize that group and so after i got involved with another group of people who were politically violent or had politically violent views, now you start to tack on the ideological or the ideolog

nationals living in britain orb even british citizens who have returned from terrorist training camps in pakistan or elsewhere around the world. but what we're facing in iraq now, with isil, is a greater and deeper threat to our security than we have known before. in afghanistan, the taliban were prepared to play host to al qaeda, the terrorist organization. with isil, we are facing a terrorist organization not being hosted in a country, but actually seeking to establish and then violently expand its own terrorist state. and with designs on expanding to jordan and lebanon, right up to the turkish border we can be facing a terrorist state on the shores of the mediterranean and we cannot appease this ideology. to do this, we need a tough comprehensive approach to defeat the terrorist threat at its source. tough in that we need a firm security response, whether that is action to go after the terrorists, international cooperation on intelligence, and counterterrorism or uncompromising measures against terrorists here at home. but it also must be an intelligent political response. we must use all reso

. >> her sister made the decision to speak to cnn from her home in karachi, pakistan, because the family doesn't want terrorists carrying out attacks in her name. after the brutal beheading of james foley, a letter sent requesting for the release. it read, we have also offered prisoner exchanges to free the muslims colonelfully your detention like our sister, dr. afia. >> any kind of kidnappers, isis these days, whoever wants to claim afia, i am her sister. we're her family. and we speak on her behalf as well. our whole struggle has been dignified. that is peaceful. and that is legal. >> a pakistani neuroscientist went missing. a year later she was named on the fbi list as an al qaeda member. in 2008 she reappeared, stopped by afghan national police for acting suspiciously outside of a government building. she was accused of shooting at two fbi agents and several military personnel while being held at an afghan facility and sentenced by a u.s. federal judge to 86 years in prison for attempted murder and other charges. >> she is an icon. she is the poster girl for jihad. and in that way,

reporter: aafia siddiqui's sister fowzia made the decision to speak to cnn from her family home in pakistan because the family doesn't want terrorists carrying out attacks in aafia's name. after the brutal beheading of journalist james foley a letter sent to his family reveals how isis claims to have requested aafia siddiqui's release. it read "rev also offered prisoner exchanges to freet muslims currently in your detention like our sister dr. aafia siddiqui." not in our name, says her family. >> any kind of kidnappers, isis these days, the aafia brigade, or whoever wants to claim aafia. i'm afia's sister. we're aafia's family. and we speak on her behalf as well. we want no violence no aafia's name. our whole struggle has been one that is dignified, that is peaceful, and that is legal. >> reporter: a pakistani neuroscientist based in the u.s., aafia went missing in 2003. a year later she was named on the fbi alerts list as a sought-after al qaeda member. in 2008 she reappeared, stopped by afghan national police for acting suspiciously outside a government building. she was accused of shooti

nusra was once a part of isis, before isis was kicked out by al qaeda central in pakistan. and now the two organizations are at odds with one another. there's some areas, some towns where they still collaborate, but for the most part, they're fighting against each other. but they're also -- isis is also fighting other parts of the sunni rebel opposition to the assad regime. >> i spoke to a spokesman yesterday who represents the free syrian army, the so-called moderate syrian opposition who acknowledged that there were some brigades from their free syrian army in the south that cooperated with al nusra in destroying that syrian military checkpoint on the golan heights, and they now have control. how much cooperation is there between the so-called moderate syrian opposition, the free syrian army, and a terrorist group like al nusra? >> there's quite a bit of cooperation between the free syrian army and al qaeda's branch in syria called nusra. they cooperate in the south. they've also cooperated extensively in the north. and this cooperation has been going on since nusra decla

and i had a chance encounter with the taliban in 1995 in pakistan. that sent me down the road of jihadi thinking until the 9/11 attacks which made me reconsider my views. >> how did you have a chance encounter with the taliban? >> so it's -- i was with a local group that proselytizes to muslims and tells them in order to bring about change in the world you have to be more ritually observant. with this group, i was just going, walking around a local area, and came upon about seven or eight of them sitting in an area with their ak-47s. so i went over to them, altruistic. i didn't know who they were. and i said the same thing. look, this is how you bring about change. and they said to me well, thanks, but the way to bring about change is with this. and he held aloft his ak-47. so that kind of made me think hmm. and then when i got back in 1995, they had taken over the country. and i took that as a validation of their world view. >> i'm just trying to figure out what makes you prone to do that. because that could happen to a number of people, and they wo

has been accused of secretly sort of funding these jihadist groups, other governments have done it, pakistan kind of helps the taliban. so how do they have the influence to get curtis freed without paying any ransom? are they lying about paying a ransom? they were able to get about a dozen nuns released that were also help by al nusra. again, curtis was held by a group aligned with al qaeda, but somehow qatar gets him out. and i'm just -- it's very -- it's terrible when these governments have these double games when they work with jihadists on one hand and you know, deny it -- >> and arguably, you could say, well, look, they have some influence if they're the unwithes funding these jihadists. at the same time, it's hard to see how they would make a deal without more money being passed or some other kind of deal. >> these groups, i saw it in my case, they spend lots of money feeding the hostage, they spend manpower, all these guards, they move the hostage around to different areas, controlled by different commanders. so they can't just give up the hostage and have nothing to show, clearly for

is in competition with the leader of almost almost in pakistan for that mantle. that's what its leader abu al baghdadi, that's his goal. this is an extremely serious threat to us, extremely serious threat to the region and something we have to begin to confront with our partners in the region. that's what's key. that's why we're working so diligently around the clock with our iraqi partners, the elected leadership of iraq to get this new government formed over the coming weeks, and then to begin to develop a comprehensive campaign plan to begin to really roll isis back. >> it is a threat to the u.s. homeland today? >> whenever you see global jihadists and potential suicide bombers indoctrinate and radicalized and fighting and learning how to kill people in large numbers with west passports, that's a very serious threat to the homeland. >> brett mcgurk, we appreciate you joining us. joining me now is gloria borger. you were listening to brett mcgurk there. two key questions stick in my mind. back and forth on whether it's a direct threat on the u.s. what is the st

actions in places like pakistan or yemen may not apply. and also the syrian government isn't asking us to do this. it's quite the opposite. so that leaves you with going to congress. i think probably what the president. wants to do and should do. >> what do you make of the heart wrenching appeal by the mother of steven sotloff. obviously she wants her son, a journalist being held now for two years to be freed. is this going to help or potentially, and there's some fear it could hurt for all this publicity to be going out there? >> i really don't know. i gather that they decided to go public because his name had become publicized by isis itself. i wouldn't really second guess the mother of anyone in this horrifying situation that none of us could even imagine being in. she must have advisers who are telling her that this is the best way. certainly it's not appealing to have an american citizen beseeching a brutal madman like the leader of isis, but if it were any of our children, we would do whatever it took. >> well said. guys, thanks, ver

carries out drone strikes against al qaeda targets in places like yemen or pakistan, it's generally done with at least the tacit acceptance of those governments. in syria, the situation is a little different. we're dealing with a hostile government that has pledged to defend its air space. >> you bring up those surveillance flights. here's my question to you. is that the signal that something is imminent, or that is the beginning of likely months of intelligence gathering before anything happens? >> yeah, my expectation is going -- would be this is going to move pretty slowly. i mean, what we have seen from this president is that he's very reluctant to get intervened -- to intervene in syria. we have seen that over the course of this war. but this is definitely the closest we have appeared to taking action in syria since last year when air strikes were threatened over the country's chemical weapons program. but you know, i think is there a growing -- we have seen this with a statement from the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff this week. is a growing acceptance that there's no way to

i agree that compared to what i witnessed in places like pakistan or saudi arabia, somali, this is complex because international borders have been erased, the number of people who are involved, 100 plus americans, which might be a low estimate. in my old world at the fbi, watching kids like this come home, that's an incredibly high number of people to follow. the reason i'm skeptical, look, we've been at this 13 years. the blue team, the americans, the brits, the home team, we're a lot better too, we've learned a lot about how these guys communicate. we've hardened borders and hardened cockpit doors in aircraft to keep them safe. we've worked with parents like the jordanians and the turks to keep kids if going out and flag them when they do move back through western europe. we've figured out intelligence tools to target these people on the battle field. so, yeah, this is really complicated. it's different than what i witnessed in 20-plus years of following terrorists, but we're pretty good too. i would say if i were in washington, you got to relax a little, and the message to the american

>> in many ways what he did in pakistan is with the implicit understanding of the pakistan government. the syrians have been insistent even though they would like to jointly go after the targets no, unilateral action on the part of the americans would be permitted by the regime. >> wouldn't the assad regime be thrilled if the united states came and helped them in destroying their number one enemy which happens to be isis. >> yes, they would be. adding to general kim met's point, i mean, the authorization for the use of military force was what allowed the opportunities do what it did in pakistan and yemen because it was forces allied to al qaeda that are allowed to be hit under that authorization. isis is a slightly different matter. they divorce themselves from al qaeda. >> what you're saying if they launch air strikes in syria, that's an act of war that requires norrization from congress and maybe from the u.n. security council? >> at an absolute minimum for congress. >> do you agree? >> i do. >> in other words is, the president's not going to order strikes unless he gets resolutions

that pakistan has training centers for extremists? we've talked about this again before, too, this is a come comd relationship. we believe there is a common damage and threat faced by both countries and by afghanistan as well and that's extremists in the sanctuary and it's a common threat. we don't always see eye-to-eye on how to address it. and that remains to be the case today. what's different today, we have better vehicles for dialogue with the pakistani military that we enjoy and will continue to improve. >> regarding the interception, your counterpart spokesperson stressed that it was international air space, that the chinese government, the defense ministry mentioned that the mission of that flight was in tracking chinese submarines and other military activities. so in order to view a veteran to veteran military operations, that the u.s. has to reduce this number of flights and -- or stop even. and also from the pentagon's perspective, the two leaders of the two countries are calling for a better military to military relationsh

efforts in afghanistan and went after al qaeda's leadership in the tribal regions in afghanistan and pakistan, driving the taliban out of its stronghold and training afghan forces which are now in the lead for their own security. in just four months, we will complete our combat mission in afghanistan and america's longest war will come to a responsible end. and we honor every american who served to make this progress possible. every single one. especially the more than 2,200 american patriots who made the ultimate sacrifice in afghanistan to keep us safe. and now, as afghans continue to work towards the first democratic power in their history, afghan leaders need to make the hard compromises that are necessary to give the afghan people a future of security and progress. as we go forward, we'll continue to partner with afghans so their country can never again be used to launch attacks against the united states. [ applause ] al qaeda affiliates still target our homeland. we've seen that in yemen. other extremists threaten our citizens approabroad as we've s more recently in iraq and syria. as c

the history of pakistan where u.s. strikes and some tribal areas caused population resentment particularly the signature strikes with suspicious activity. it's going to be difficult for the u.s. to do this effectively, but isis is on the march against the syrian regime and the rebels the u.s. would like to support. a degree of urgency. they determined in their mind what many thought presented a threat to the united states, too. >> it puts the united states in an uncomfortable position where it is supporting or allowing al assad to remain. i mean that's been the difficult position the u.s. is in. >> reporter: since the start, there's been reluctant to push too hard against the assad regime. if it did fall n 2012, there were moderate syrian rebels there. potentially they may have found it amongst themselves to form a rival government. they fractured and bickering in istanbul rather than getting on the job to replace bashar. isis attacked the syrian moderate rebels. now they are on their back, almost potentially facing a

without it, they are limited to what they have in pakistan, signature strikes, target suspicious groupings of military. that's going to be a complex task for them. the serious government saying yes, we would welcome you, but setting rules, saying they have to agree on what is done. washington isn't going to want to get into the nitty gritty of a contact with the assad regime given the tens of thousands of civilians they have killed. that's behind the radicalization that spawned isis in the first place. we are seening recognition in washington that isis presents a threat not only in the middle east, but the united states. the military action may now spread to syria. john? >> an almost impossible situation where the united states has to figure out a way to go after isis without helping the assad regime, which exactly one year ago this week, the united states was considering bombing. >> absolutely. bear in mind, too, many analysts think the assad regime has done little to fight isis. they are seeing isis move against the rebels who were a problem for the assad regime. their enemy's enemy. yes

they did it like in pakistan to kill bin laden. you go in literally under the radar and make it happen. but it's interesting, you talk about fitting in the narrative. this new relationship with syria. it also fits the facts on the ground at the end of the day isis is the bigger threat than the assad regime so hasn't changed the administration's decision-making but it is changing the calculus on the ground, more of a threat to the u.s. homeland and have a totally new view. >> without human intelligence on the ground there's only so much one can do from the air without, you know, someone with a -- >> the real question is who holes the ground once it's taken. can you use bombing to take a lot of territory, but you can't hold it unless you've got boots on 9 ground. somebody's boots and what our reporting at "the daily beast," a lot of those forces that we might rely on, the free syrian army that we sometimes train, sometimes fund, sometimes don't or the curds that were supposed to be the greatest fighters in the middle east aren't up t

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we've had issues of al chi do and taliban in pakistan. we've now got people in iraq and syria. they have moved around in many different countries but i think that all different western countries which have got significant communities of imgrants who come from that part of the world url have a very small number who have been misguided enough or radicalized or brainwashed enough to start taking up this cause, which is not what the rest of our muslim colleagues in our own countries believe in, far from it. for example the muslim council of britain has come out very firmly against this activity. >> it seemed to me, looking at the numbers, and looking at the geography, that the threat to britain is every bit as big as it is to the united states, and we're now hearing about an apocalyptic terms from your government and our government. where are the british airplanes? where are the british air assaults on isis? where is britain's help in this effort at this point? >> you're quite right. it is a threat to us. it's a threat to us both because of what these people are doing in a part of

pakistan. we had the taliban, we had al qaeda and afghanistan. al qaeda moved into pakistan in the winter of 2002, embedded itself in '02, '03 in the travel areas of pakistan. the past 11 years, we've been locking and loading with drones and no boots on the ground in pakistan. i was listening to what barbara starr said. i guarantee already there are task forces at the pentagon and cia who already have targets sets in syria and are watching through intelligence the flow of fighters coming across the border. that target set exists already. the last thing i'd say, i'll bet you a paycheck that the decision to go in has already been made. they're just setting us up for it. >> fran, do you think that as well? you've been in these rooms as well. >> no, absolutely. and by the way, just because you may not have u.s. boots on the ground or u.s. targetieres on the ground, you've been working with your foreign intelligence committees, there are people on the ground that you can trust, you can train, and th

and president obama has shown he will do that, whether in pakistan, with the bin laden operation in yemen and somali, we will take direct action against terrorists who threaten the united states, even as we develop long-term solutions that empower partners on the ground. with respect to legal matters, i wouldn't want to prejudge an action we haven't taken. i would say that the actions we're taking in iraq are obviously at the irritation of the iraqi government and the president's constitutional authority. the action we took to try to rescue hostages in syria was entirely legal, of course, because we were seeking to save americans from imminent danger. and that is at the core of justification for military action. i think that any additional actions we take, we would want to consult with congress. >> but, i mean, it seems you -- about iraq, you were invited in. in syria, that obviously wouldn't be the case. isn't there a distinction? >> i don't want to speak hypothetically about an action we haven't taken. but to take the example of what we did, you don't need to be invited in if you're try

the drone program in pakistan has decimated the core of al qaeda and isis is now a stronger organization than the core of al qaeda but military strikes do degrade these organizations and force them to fight in different ways. isis has been fighting as a conventional army. if the strikes continue, it's going to be very hard to be rolling tanks down highways as they've been doing in the past. they've got to revert to being more of an insurgent group. more of a terrorist group. which is not a good thing but it's certainly better than them having a conventional army taking over a third of the country, as they've done right now, ashleigh. >> colonel, to you, i'm dovetailing off what peter was just talking about. there was this specific question in that briefing with the rear admiral at the pentagon about the potential of air strikes inside syria. it was a pretty nondescription answer. we were not ruling anything in and we're not ruling anything out. with your background and having spent so much time in that region, as an executive officer, to the man in charge of forces in that region, syria

their intelligence operators on the ground to start waging a long war, like the kind we see in yemen or pakistan against his adversa adversary. >> yeah. and, van, president barack obama compared militants in iraq and syria to junior varsity basketball players. you know about that. you heard downplaying the threat as small league. they had to clarify this a number of times. did he drop the ball on dealing with this threat sooner? >> i tell you what, that comment now is going to haunt him for the rest of his presidency. that turned out to be a terrible comment. but you got to remember, it lined up with the assessments not just of the united states but everybody around the world. nobody really believed they had the leadership to put this kind of threat together. i will say this, now that it has happened, everybody has to take a big step back and reset. there has been a -- almost a civil war are in this country over george w. bush's handling of the iraq war. we now have to look at a new threat and i would hope the country would come together now. we're talking about beheading americans, talking abou

osama bin laden, it wasn't clean even when they went on that raid whether bin laden was in the house in pakistan that they raided. so there's always uncertainty. >> so i suppose the question i need to follow that is there's a certain amount of irony, isn't there, that if these terrorists are demanding hundreds offal manies of dollars for the releases of these hostages, they're effectively letting their intelligence walk right out the door. peter? >> well, you know, the demands for money, in the case of the 100 million euros or $132 million, you know, i think that's not a serious demand. you know, the kinds of money that we've seen been paid for hostages are much, much lower than that. but there is obviously a big market here, and the french are willing to pay and other european countries. and it's not an accident that so many of the hostages are french. in fact, very few of the hostages taken by these kind of jihadist terrorist groups are american or british because it's well understood that there is no money in these kinds of cases. >> all right. chris, one more question for you about the secon

pearl you'll remember is "the wall street journal" correspondent who was kidnapped and beheaded in pakistan in 2002. the daniel pearl foundation sent out this tweet from ruth pearl, "our hearts go out to the family of journalist james foley. we know the horror they are going through." let's talk more about this horrific video with mike baker, he's on the phone, a former cia covert operations officer. we're also joined by cnn military analyst general spider marks. welcome to both of you. >> thank you. >> hi, carol. >> hi. thanks for being here. mike, to you first, the white house says it's working to confirm the authenticity of this video. based on your experience with the cia, what do you make of the timing of this video? >> well, this is unfortunately this is the jihadist version of shock and awe. they've been taking a few body blows as a result of the air strikes, the involvement of the u.s., and this is their response, as bizarre as it may seem. they've been holding james foley now for some time, and they've decided to take this route, and as a result, we shouldn't be surprised. there's

. >> want to brung you news out of pakistan now. thousands of antigovernment protesters there remain camped out today in the red zone. that's where all of the government buildings are located. these protesters in a bid to out of the prime minister. they want this man to resign over alleged election fraud. demonstrators actually we're seeing demonstrators there. demonstrators enter the high when secured government area monday and they threaten to paralyze the government. now demonstrations are led by a popular cleric. the army is calling for a diplomatic end to the crisis. >>> up next, raising the alert. iceland says one of its enormous volcanos, with a name that's hard to pronounce, could be close to erupting. what this could mean for you, next. ♪ [ dog barks ] ♪ [ male announcer ] imagine the cars we drive... being able to see so clearly... to respond so intelligently and so quickly, they can help protect us from a world of unseen danger. it's the stuff of science fiction... minus the fiction. and it is mercedes-benz... today.

he saw it in pakistan but never in the u.s. >> let's talk about the "new york times" report. cnn is confirming independent autopsy results that michael brown was shot six times and details coming from the "new york times." >> there is a key quote if i can read it. this one said it looks like his head was bent down. this is the wound at the top of his head, the tall wound. the quote from the medical ex examiner said he could be giving up or charging forward at the officer. he had the new details. it doesn't tell us anything conclusive. >> you cannot jump to conclusions in this this. the facts are the facts. the facts are that this independent autopsy shows michael brown was shot six times. it shows michael brown was shot four times in the right arm, twice in the head and a all of the bullets were fired to the front. >> we need more information. that's the main take away. we need more information. >> absolutely. the new york times reporting on cnn that michael brown, the independent autopsy shows he was shot six time. brian will stay with me. we'll continue our live coverage of

i've covered protests for example overseas in pakistan when i worked for cnn years ago. in a place like that you would expect -- in the times that we were carrying that, that was one of the things that we felt, the indiscriminate sort of treatment of not only the protestors and the journalists themselves. the fact of the matter is, when it comes to what happened to our crew, they were firing cannons into the crowd disbursing them but clearly in the video there were no crowds at us. there were lights, there was a camera. we could clearly see them. we can't understand how they could possibly say they could not clearly see us. >> so was it intentional? do you feel you were targeted? >> reporter: i do. i do feel like we were targeted because after we were treated back there was a crowd that did go towards our camera equipment and that was caught on camera. they hovered around our equipment. no rubber bulge lets were fired at them or canisters fired at them. later on they basically said they were helping us out by getting us out of there. i find that a little bit insulting. i

it's not like, say, confineding pakistan to villages. you're trying to confine isis to major cities and towns and to do that it's going to require an enormous ground assault operation. >> general hertling, really quickly, if the sunnis are willing to join with the shias and the kurdish armies, is it worthwhile to let the shias and kurdish armies go into this isis areas? or is this something that the sunnis want to tackle on their own? >> no, this will be a rebirth of the iraqi army. i agree with sanjan completely. what happens next is very critical. if he reaches out to the four arab provinces and the three kurdish provinces in the north and rebuilds that patriotic and nationalistic fervor that existed at once, i think certainly the iraqi army could be rebuilt. and you're also going to see the sunni tribesmen turn against isis -- >> i apologize, i hate it when that happens. we've lot general hertling. but general hertling, if you can hear us, thank you for your time. sarjan gohel, we thank you as well. >>> obviously, we're going to have

. >>> coming up, also, the calls growing louder for pakistan's prime minister to step down. find out who's leading that charge. ♪ you treat every minute like it's a chance to do something. so you're always moving. constantly searching for the next opportunity to make the most of what life has to offer. your time is valuable. so you reach for something better. fewer calories. fewer carbs. more to experience. michelob ultra. the superior light beer. >>> welcome back. in northern nigeria, villagers are reporting another mass kid dmaping by boca haram. >> they say militia captured 9700 young men and boys in a raid of a fishing village. 28 people were killed reportedly, 25 wounded. dozens of homes burned. >> the raid happened on monday but the news is only getting out now because boca haram destroyed local cell phone towers in previous raids. more than 200 school girls were kidnapped in april and still missing. >> in pakistan, thousands taking part in a rally to demand the prime minister stand down. it was led by two of the opposition's biggest figures. khan called on prime min

air strikes against al-qaeda and pakistan that confines them to several villages. isis are in control of major territories, towns and cities in iraq. ultimately it is what happens on the ground that can repel isis. and for that purpose we have now turned to the kurdish peshmerga. and they have a difficult job because during the soviet era, the materials they procured from the regime, they have humvees. this is a huge problem, it is not going to go away. but also something has to be done on the ground to assist those that have been displaced. unfortunately, the word mission creep is entering our lexicon, but we are seeing this take place in countries like britain and even france. >> we are seeing that take place but what is interesting, we've heard from the u.s. defense secretary chuck hagel, there will be no boots on the ground. but you're saying that it is inevitable. when you look at the threat of isis on the ground in the north and we're talking about this encircling baghdad in the midst of this basically chaos, what do you believe will happen here if there are

what was your dad doing in pakistan? >> my dad was working on projects with local industries in pakistan, helping them to improve, to produce more, and to -- that their goods would have more value in the global economy. so he was working with people on the ground. he would be at those projects, traveling all over the country to those projects all the time. he was just zooming back and forth. all the people that worked with him remarked on what incredible energy he had and how he just worked all day and late into the night. he was so passionate and devoted to his work. he cared so much about helping these industries to improve and to creating more opportunities for everyday people in pakistan. >> jennifer, we were just looking at some pictures of your dad holding a baby. and there is a beautiful little baby on his shoulders. i can only imagine what it's like for him to be missing out on all of these family milestones. >> it's been really difficult for us and as a family and for my kids. to try to explain to them why he is

the matrix may try to contain it but it's a much more difficult job than dealing with al qaeda in pakistan. when you are confining them to villages in the case of iraq, you are trying to confine them to towns and cities. >> we sleepwalked into this problem. and, you know, we read that the defense secretary chuck hagel, there had been meetings several times about the threat from isis and there had been discussions across the arab world. let me ask you this. when we talk about these new recruits, how many of them are coming from the western world? i know that, obviously, there are many there in the levant. but from the rest of the world, from the uk, even from the u.s.? >> this figure is growing and increasing by the day. we are talking about thousands of recruits from europe, from britain, from continental europe, from canada, from the united states. increasingly, they are being drawn to go fight there. they see this as their sort of afghan jihad that we witnessed in the 19 octob80s. this is their opportunity to carry out an act of religious obligation. the scholars, the ideologues are usin

president obama is setting up the situation where it's going to be like yemen or pakistan. where the model is the u.s. works through local forces, bolsters them with intelligence and advisers, but doesn't actually commit combat troops on the ground. the air strikes will not drive isis out. but they'll be a great force multiplier, they'll help boost the confidence of the kurdish or iraqi forces. the u.s. has made clear that it's not going to make the decision of when to go after them in the mountain. the president said he's going to leave that to the kurds and his advisers say they're going to leave that to the iraqi army to decide when to move forward. >> but here's the issue, they don't have the weaponry that isis has. and you just co wrote a piece with someone embedded with the peshmerga military, it's the russians who provided some of the tanks. >> we've all seen the sensationalistic headlines, isis standing in front of humvee's, it's terrifying to think they've controlled hundreds of millions of dollars. the problem is, this equipment is very, very difficult to operate,

we saw al qaeda and pakistan give that training to western recruits in the 2000s in the period after 9/11, we have not yet seen that from isis. they could launch this kind of program and send operatives back to the west to launch attacks. >> i urge our viewers to read your piece. paul, thank you. general hertling thank you as well. >>> the ncaa has fought the idea of paying college athletes. but a new lawsuit could totally change the way colleges do business and mean paychecks for athletes in several sports. stay with me. ♪ ♪ fill their bowl with the meaty tastes they're looking for, with friskies grillers. tender meaty pieces and crunchy bites. in delicious chicken, beef, turkey, and garden veggie flavors. friskies grillers. having a perfectly nice day, when out of nowhere a pick-up truck slams into your brand new car. one second it wasn't there and the next second... boom! you've had your first accident. now you have to make your first claim. so you talk to your insurance company and... boom! you're blindsided for a second time. they won't give you enough money to replace your

at the end of the day, we mounted a very effective drone campaign on al qaeda in the tribal areas in pakistan and basically obliterated them. so i wouldn't buy the argument if they're going to be damaged militarily, that's just going to -- that's the end. that's what the goal here. so i don't bite that argument. >> the guys, i want you to stand by. we're going to continue our analysis of what's going on. peter, jim and cedric. we're following the breaking news. a new round of u.s. air strikes in iraq. we're about to go live from the white house and hear from deputy national security advisor ben rhodes. stay with us. (male announcer) it's happening. today, more and more people with type 2 diabetes are learning about long-acting levemir®, an injectable insulin that can give you blood sugar control for up to 24 hours. and levemir® helps lower your a1c. levemir® is now available in flextouch® - the only prefilled insulin pen with no push-button extension. levemir® lasts 42 days without refrigeration. that's 50% longer than lantus®, which lasts 28 days. today, i'm asking about levemir® flex

part of it of course is infiltration by the taliban with their allies in pakistan, pulling strings. part of it is just how complicated war can be. it's a very obviously difficult situation. and people's opinions of the united states and the coalition forces change based on things that happen in their own lives. the army as jim mentioned, this is something they have taken very seriously. there was a peak of 61 deaths. it was 15% of all u.s. casualties in afghanistan in 2012. 15% of them were from green on blue events. now that's been reduced significantly. but it can't be eliminated entirely, alisyn. >> yeah, of course. i understand. and i mean, there must be some soul-searches in the army today of how to do things differently? >> yeah. i mean, locke, they do a lot of vetting and this is the west point of afghanistan. this is where officers were being trained. obviously they're going to redouble their efforts when it comes to vetting people. and they may have more, take more seriously. there was something they did in 2012. they started a process called guardian angels when u.s. soldi

but from our side, that's part of the objective of the taliban and the -- hair supporters in pakistan, their enablers. and that is to lower the support for afghanistan and for standing up in afghan state and helping it to survive in the united states. >> ambassador thompson, thank you so much for your time. appreciate it. could up, predicting vladimir putin's next move is like trying to figure out what to do if a russian chessmaster follows up? why are his troops building along the ukrainian border. and the second american with ebola arrives in atlanta for treatment. unlike her colleague, she was not able to walk into the hospital on her own. dr. san jail gupta has details be ob her condition coming up. and thank you for your bravery. thank you colonel. thank you daddy. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance can be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. then boom... what happened? stress, fun, bad habits kids, now wh

though, hey, look, you now trying to take the high road, state department, you all fly drones over pakistan and kill militant along with their wives, their children all the time. do you say that? >> no, we don't. but we say, you know us. we are democracy. there is collateral damage. there is a civilian population. i show new the past -- >> so you think collateral damage is a fair word to use? >> i would say that israel is working in an environment where hamas is using not just human shields but their own people and abusing their own people day in and day out. so any equation between us and a terrorist organization is like, you know, ininatiininfuriating comparison. >> now i know you had shown me the pictures, saying, well, they are firing at us from very near to the schools. but does that still, again, this is the question, does that justify to get a couple of militant who you may or may not kill when you shoot back, killing civilians who are 1500 feet away in a school seeking refuge. >> erin, put it this way. i think the schools is important. what our purpose should be is, that in these sc

governor perry talked earlier about historic record highs of people from afghanistan, syria, and pakistan, coming across the mexican-texas border. are there historic highs, is that true, and if so, is there any reason to believe that these are people who would do us harm, that these are, in fact, terrorist-bound folks? >> well, again, the chairman of the intelligence committee, we noticed a very dangerous trend a few years ago when the iranian quds force, their external terrorist group, if you will, supported by the country of iran, was planning an operation to use the southern border to infiltrate people into the united states to kill the saudi ambassador. so clearly our enemies and our adversaries understand that it is a weakness. we have seen a trend of countries that we are very concerned about, a rise in individuals being apprehended at the border. the scary part about that is those are just the ones that get apprehended. so a porous southern border is now on the advertising list for those who want to do nefarious activities entering the united states. everything from criminal activi