department of homeland security which would take him out of the russia if you wish he has reduced himself of, do -- issue which he has refused himself -- recused himself. he would be in charge of ice. i don't know if they can pull that one off because he can only appoint sessions as an acting department of homeland security secretary, and we have a problem with who we replace him with. charlie: will john kelly be able to contain scaramucci? jonathan: that is a great question. scaramucci has learned a lesson this week, and we will see a much more low price on -- low-profile anthony scaramucci. that will be happening under any circumstance. charlie: the fact the president respects general kelly so much, does that mean he will be able to rely on general kelly? answer the question, who can say no to the president? jonathan: that is a great question, because general kelly is a military man. one of the things the president likes is that when he says he wants to go in a direction, general kelly secured in that. it is an open question whether or not general kelly will go into the oval office and

can't. the rules that caused him to recuse himself from the russia investigation would also make him have to recuse himself from anything having to do with hillary clinton because of his involvement in the trump campaign. >> rose: we turn to jeremy grantham, chief strategist at g.m.o. we talk about controversial views on the future of capitalism. >> i think the biggest risk to american society is the drift to more corporate power in politics and through monopolies and so on, unless -- and less to the workers and the destruction of the unions and the income inequality where we are 20t 20th out of 20 rich countries. we are the most unequal society. also, the speed with which you can move from one economic class to another. one always used to think of america as being extremely mobile. we're the stickiest, the most difficult society in the developed 20 countries -- >> rose: to go from lower class to the middle class. >> yes. >> rose: politics and economy when we continue. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multi

the independent counsel will investigate things beyond russia. he fears -- charlie: meaning the building of his financial empire? mark: right. he fears his children will be dragged into this in a way that will be bad for their lives and he fears that people will start cooperating with the independent counsel, creating all sorts of potential problems. charlie: to save their own skin. mark: to save their own skin and obviously he fears that this will block anything he could do to be considered a great president. charlie: and ruin re-election? mark: oh, sure. he may fear substantially more than that but at least at a minimum, those things. john: don jr. is now dragged into the middle of this, jared kushner is dragged into the middle of this, dragging at least by marriage his daughter into this so they're already in the middle of this now. and it's also the case that depending on how you define things outside the scope of russia and again there's some question about the things that trump says, well, if he starts looking at my finances, that's outside of -- i think he defines the rus

that the independent counsel will investigate things beyond russia. he fears -- charlie: meaning the building of his financial empire? mark: right. he fears his children will be dragged into this in a way that will be bad for their lives and he fears that people will start cooperating with the independent counsel, creating all sorts of potential problems. charlie: to save their own skin. mark: to save their own skin and obviously he fears that this will block anything he could do to be considered a great president. charlie: and ruin re-election? mark: oh, sure. he may fear substantially more than that but at least at a minimum, those things. john: don jr. is now dragged into the middle of this, jared kushner is dragged into the middle of this, dragging at least by marriage his daughter into this so they're already in the middle of this now. and it's also the case that depending on how you define things outside the scope of russia and again there's some question about the things that trump says, well, if he starts looking at my finances, that's outside of -- i think he defines the rus

the independent counsel will investigate things beyond russia. he fears -- charlie: meaning the building of his financial empire? mark: right. he fears his children will be dragged into this in a way that will be bad for their lives and he fears that people will start cooperating with the independent counsel, creating all sorts of potential problems. charlie: to save their own skin. mark: to save their own skin and obviously he fears that this will block anything he could do to be considered a great president. charlie: and ruin re-election? mark: oh, sure. he may fear substantially more than that but at least at a minimum, those things. john: his children, at least one of them, don jr. is now dragged into the middle of this, jared kushner is dragged into the middle of this, dragging at least by marriage his daughter into it. so that is happening. they're already in the middle of this now. and it's also the case that depending on how you define things outside the scope of russia and again there's some question about the things that trump says, well, if he starts looking at my fin

any than either ofth you, he fears that the independent counsel will investigate things beyond russia. he fears -- charlie: meaning the building of his financial empire? mark: right. he fears his children will be dragged into this in a way that will be bad for their lives and he fears that people will start cooperating with the independent all sorts ofting potential problems. charlie: to save their own skin. and: to save their own skin obviously he fears that this he could donything to be considered a great president. charlie: and ruin re-election? mark: oh, sure. he may fear substantially more least at aut at minimum, those things. john: don jr. is now dragged into the middle of this, jared is dragged into the middle of this, dragging at least by marriage his daughter into this so they're already in middle of this now. and it's also the case that depending on how you define things outside the scope of russia and again there's some question about the things that trump says, well, if he starts finances, that's outside of -- i think he defines the russia thing is what calendar year16, 2

counsel will investigate things beyond russia. he fears that-- . >> rose: meaning the building of his. >> financial empire. he fathers his children will be dragged into this in a way that will be really bad for their lives. and he fears that people will start cooperating with the independent counsel. creating all sorts of potential problems. >> rose: to save their own skin. >> to save their own skin. and obviously he fears this will block anything he could do to make him a tbreat presidency. >> rose: and perhaps re-election. >> for sure. he may fear substantially more than that but he fears at a minimum those things. >> a couple of those things is he right to fear. his children, don, jr. is now being dragged in the middle of this. jared kushner, his son in law is dragged in the middle thereby dragging in some sense at least by marriage his daughter into it. and so that is happening. they're already in the middle of this now. and it is also the case that depending how you define things outside the scope of russia and again there is some question about the things that trump says. well,

., jared kushner, ivanka trump. if he starts moving to do business dealings in connection to russia. so you can imagine a situation where the family members would have quite an incentive to stop the investigation before it uncovers things that cause a potential problem. charlie: the shifting factions in the white house, it is really hard, because they are not united on issues that are necessarily consistent. for example, bannon was said to be opposed to the hiring of the new communications chief. according to the reports i read. whereas, others you would think would not have an opinion, were in favor of it. jonathan: that's true. i mean, one of the key dynamics at the moment is that steve bannon and reince priebus have become allies of convenience in a feud against jared kushner and ivanka trump. that is probably in terms of the hottest conflicts in the white house, that is probably right at the top. and jared and ivanka distrust reince priebus, they think he is incompetent, and they want him out of the job. to the extent which steve bannon sees them as ideological enemies, he wants to

dealings with russia. so you can imagine a situation where the family members would have quite an incentive to stop that investigation before it uncovers things that could potentially cause them tremendous problems. >> rose: it's hard, the shifting factions within the white house or what we know about them from the reporting because they're not united on s said to be opposed to theon hiring of the new communications chief. >> right. >> rose: according to the reports i've read, i mean, whereas others who you think would not necessarily even have an opinion were in favor of it. >> right. that's true. i mean, one of the -- one of the key dynamics at the moment is that steve bannon and reince priebus, the chief of staff, have become allies of convenience in a feud against jared kushner and ivanka trump. that is probably, in terms of the hottest conflicts in the white house, that's probably right up at the top, and jared and ivanka distrust reince priebus, they think he's incomp at the present time and want him out of the job. the extent to which steve bannon sees jared and i ivanka aa

. he addressed the media after the closed-door meeting. >> i did not collude with russia, nor do i know if anyone else in the campaign who did so. i had no improper contacts. in a i have not relied on russian funds for my businesses, and i have been fully transparent in providing all requested information. charlie: donald trump jr. and former campaign chairman paul manafort will also appear before the judiciary committee this week. joining me from washington, joining me from washington, one robert costa from the washington post and moderator of "washington week," on pbs, susan page of usa today, and hugh hewitt, of "the hugh hewitt show," and frank bruni of the new york times. tell me about the appearance today and what might have been this week with respect to the testimony. >> i think jared kushner did about as well as anyone could in a difficult situation, charlie. i read his entire 11 page letter over the air so that commuters could hear it. it was not denial. it was specific and details. it was explanatory. for those trying to give trump the benefit of the doubt, they would fi

the closed-door meeting. >> i did not: with russia, nor do i know if anyone else in the campaign who did so. i had no improper contacts. i have not relied on russian businesses, and i have been fully transparent in providing all requested information. charlie: donald trump jr. and former campaign chairman paul manafort will also appear before the judiciary committee this week.joining me from washington, robert costa from the washington post and moderator of "washington week," on pbs, susan page of usa today, and hugh hewitt, of "the hugh and frank bruni of the new york times. tell me about the appearance today and what might have been this week with respect to the testimony. >> i think jared kushner did about as well as anyone could in a difficult situation, charlie. i read his entire 11 page letter over the air so that commuters could hear it. it was not denial. it was specific and details. it was explanatory. for those trying to give trump the benefit of the doubt, they would find it comforting.i found it interesting that he said he has never met sergei gore called for -- before. i

russia an we continue with an assessment of president trump's first six months in office. we talk to frank bruni, susan page, hugh hewitt and robert costa. >> as an american i'm concerned because he tapped into a great deal of anger in this country, legitimate anger about the broken ways of washington, about broken promises. what happens to that anger if after two years or four years of donald trump, washington looks exactly the same, the sorts of priorities that we have been paralyzed about and that haven't vnsed have not advanced any further. what happens to american's alreadyive schriff eled faith. this concerns me not as a democrat or republican but as an american. >> and we conclude this evening with a voice from within the white housement is he sebastian gorka deputy assistant to president trump and close ally of steve bannon. >> in the die metric opposition to the last administration, we wholeheartedly embrace what america stands for. we don't see the world problems as lying at the feet of american foreign policy or our culture. quite the opposite. we say as a juda christian n

with the probe on the russia investigation under special counsel bob mueller, his frustrations he aired this week with jeff sessions, the attorney general. yes, he did have all the republican senators into the white house after the built in the senate collapsed earlier this week. and he indicated he want something done. but getting to that goal line has proven so difficult, and the president has not necessarily played a constructive role in getting it to a success. he will say those kinds of things, but there has been little follow-through. i think we have to be skeptical there will be presidential follow-through. i think the senate will try to do what they can do. senator mcconnell, the majority leader, kind of reached the end of his limits earlier this week. while there will be a vote next week or effort to have a vote to put a bill on the floor, it is not clear they will even be able to succeed getting the bill on the floor. jeff: as you have noted, there has been a little bit of a change in strategy for the president. he was very involved with the house and house members and c

on frustrations with the probe on the russia investigation under special counsel bob mueller, his frustrations he aired this week with jeff sessions, the attorney general. have all the republican senators into the white house after the built in the senate collapsed earlier this week. and he indicated he want something done. but getting to that goal line and theen so difficult, president has not necessarily played a constructive role in getting it to a success. he will say those kinds of things, but there has been little followthrough. i think we have to be skeptical there will be presidential followthrough. i think the senate will try to do what they can do. senator mcconnell, the majority leader, kind of reached the end of his limits earlier this week. while there will be a vote next week or effort to have a vote to put a bill on the floor, it is not clear they will even be able to succeed getting the bill on the floor. inthere has been a change strategy for the president. he was very involved with the house and house members to get their version past. it was a standoff with the

himself from all things relate to the russia investigation. that's been out there for a while. but we've never heard it from the president's voice and we've never heard it in such a kind of a dismissive way and in an angry way about what sessions had done. it's as if that decision has led to this cascading of an investigation. it's obviously more complicated than that. there's a different time line that the president is overlooking as to how we got to this point with the mueller investigation. but it has to be humiliating to the attorney general to be operating like this. and as i say, i think the only thing he can do is he seemed to do on thursday is swallow his pride and try to carry on as long as he can. >> jeff: the time line part of this is important from the presidential perspective and maybe hasn't been examined as much. but there's also the question shannon of finding someone if sessions did resign or was fired to find someone willing to take that job then. >> yes, almost as hard as finding someone to take the communications director job at the whitehouse which was one of t

jeff sessions' decision recusese himself -- himself from the russia investigation. ever since then, the president has been furious behind the scenes because he believes that sessions' recusal has left him personally and his administration vulnerable to attack from democrats, obama to the special counsel now being run by bob mueller. and it has created a suffocating cloud around the white house where the rest of the agenda seems to get stalled, and he traces a lot of this back to sessions who he thought could be , a man at the justice department. charlie: some are saying it was the firing of james comey that led to the appointment of bob mueller. and if he had not listened to the people urging him to fire comey, he would not have had the special prosecutor put in place by the deputy attorney general. robert: that is exactly right. there is a lot of swirling factors that have led the president to this point. it is not just sessions recusing himself. it is the decision by the president to have a private conversation with the former f.b.i. director that prompted the special counsel. it

sharif: there is a de-escalation and three larger russia, andn, turkey responded and it is holding, more or less. you see the amount of killing and suffering of the syrian people, it has been drastically reduced since december of last year when this initiative by iran, russia and turkey has been in place. we believe it should be enlarged to include all of syria. except for fighting against isis and al-nusra, who are recognized by the security council as terrorist organizations and cannot be part of the cease-fire. but, other than that -- charlie: the united states does not want them to be part of a cease-fire. mr. javad sharif: i am not saying it is a contention. i am just stating the principal, that we need to expand the cease-fire throughout syria. we need to allow unhindered humanitarian access to all syrians. charlie: the united states and president trump in this case, believe that russia and the united states can work together in the interest of changing syria. he said that. do you believe that iran and russia and america, can work together? to change syria? to stop the war and heal

of the invitation of the government in damascus. that had it not -- iran iran and russia rushing to the assistance in iraqi kurdistan, today you would've had, instead of being forced to liberate mosul from you would've had to fight for erbir and baghdad. there responding to written we have had a consistent policy of supporting those who are fighting terrorism and extremists. in+++aid, the people who became the government of palestine. the iranians rid -- we are the ones supporting terrorism and extremism in syria. we are not involved in saudi arabia. this accusation from the crown prince of saudi arabia is trying to take the fight to iranian territory. >> that is what they have said. that you are coming after us, and that is why we must bring the fight to iran. we would rather fight in iran and saudi arabia. cannot neglect his own admission that he is trying to instigate terror inside iranian territory. they say they want to stop you from trying to be the dominant player in the region. that is their agenda. >> our region will not have a power player. i think that efforts to become a

small region will hold? >> well, there is a deescalation in three larger regions that russia and turkey spawrnlingsed six months ago and it's holding more or less. you see the amount of suffering and killing of the syrian people has been drastically reduced since december of last year when this initiative by iran and turk ehab in place and we think it should be enlarged to include all of syria except for fighting against isis recognized by the security council organization and who cannot be a part of cease-fire. but other than that. >> rose: the united states does not want them to be part of a cease-fire either. >> i'm not saying that this is the point of convention. i'm saying that, i'm just stating defensively that we need to expand the cease-fire throughout syria. we need to allow unhindered humanitarian access to all syrians. >> rose: the united states and president trump in this case believes that russia and the united states can work together in the interest of changing syria. he said that. do you believe that iran and russia and america can work together to change syria? >> i thi

the strategy for dealing with the russia probe in the midst of all that. i think they need to create a clear separation between the president and the governing part of the white house. and the russian investigation part of management control and move down both those tracks simultaneously. that is where we will be for a while and that has not been very effective. we will have to figure how to separate scandal management from governance and put some things on the board. charlie: do either of you know, speaking of the russian probe, an answer to why the president is so resistant to this probe, other than there is something that is damaging to him, whatever it is? jerry: at a minimum, there is a trump style that says basically, you give no quarter when you are under attack or under siege. you give no ground. is that because there is something working in the shadows? or because he's afraid that not fighting everybody every step of the way is a symbol of weakness? i don't think we know which of those it is. david: it is either something is bad there or trump knows no style, other than the

disagreed with him when he proved not to be effective. but the russia scandal came along and all of a sudden, a lot of people in his inner circle and his own family are embroiled in very serious scandals. charlie: and a fight for survival. josh: a scandal that trump himself inflamed by firing james comey, the f ei director. -- the fbi director. charlie: advised by jared kushner to do that. josh: that is what my white house sources tell me. that steve bannon had warned against it. warned against firing comey. what broadband and back is that just before trump left for his foreign trip in may, attorney general jeff sessions had recused himself. rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, decided that they needed to impose a special counsel and chose robert mueller. a very serious man. a real threat to the president. if he's done anything wrong -- it only happened because he fired comey. i think trump awoke to the danger that the russia probe posed to him. he sent bannon back from saudi arabia to try to stand up some kind of outside legal war room to fight harder. he knew that the lawyer

the whitehouse house to figure out what's the strategy with dealing with the russia probe in the midst of all that. they need to create a clear separation between the president and the governing part of the whitehouse and the russia investigation part of management control. and move down both those tracks simultaneously. that's where we're going to be for a while and that hasn't been very effective for them so far. they're going to have to figure out how to separate scandal management from governs and put some things on the board. >> rose: do either of you know, speaking of the russian probe, an answer to why the president's so resistent to this probe, other than there is something that's damaging to him, whatever it is. >> i think there is at a minimum, there's a trump style that says basically you give no quarter when you're under attack or you're under siege. so you give no ground. is that because there's something working in the shadows or because he's afraid that was not fighting everybody every step of the way is a signal of weakness. i don't think we know which of those it

-- at an objective or read, the u.s.-russia relationship is as bad as it's been since under -- charlie: vladimir putin has said so. ian: and the entire establishment in the u.s. has also said so. everyone says trump is flip-flopping on china, he says they are an enemy, flip-flops on nato, all these things, yet on russia he is consistent. i want to find a way to work more closely. charlie: is it because he has a grand strategy or something else? ian: i was discussing this with richard haass on the council of foreign relations today. we are both a little flummoxed. you can definitely say trump likes the strong man. he likes erdogan in turkey, he duterte in the philippines, he likes xi jinping in china, he likes people who get things done. you definitely can say about trump that he also is very transactional, so he's willing to put his chips in to see if you can get something done and then see how they fall. that was with obama, when he first met obama in the oval office, and with xi jinping. also the fact that obama's relationship with putin was damaged in the end, so there's

. russia relationship is under as it's been since obama. charlie: vladimir putin has said so. ian: and the entire foreign-policy establishment in the u.s. has also said so. everyone says trump is flip-flopping on china, he says they are an enemy, flip-flops on nato, all these things, yet onrushing he is the consistent. i want to find a way to work more closely. charlie: is it because he has a grand strategy or something else? ian: i was discussing this with richard haass on the council of foreign relations today. we are both a little flummoxed. you can definitely say trump likes the strawman. he likes -- strong man. he likes erdogan in turkey, he hees xi jinping in china, likes people who get things done. you definitely can say about trump that he also is very transactional, so he's willing to put his chips in to see if you can get something done and then see how they fall. that was with obama, when he first met obama in the oval office, and with xi jinping. also the fact that obama's relationship with putin was damaged in the end, so there's an opportunity. but if you put those things tog

, legally, politically when it comes to the russia question am and don, jr.'s involvement in this meeting last summer with a russian lawyer an a former russian military official and jared kushner and paul manafort, the former campaign hands has really caused alarm within the west wing because don, jr. is seen as someone who hasn't really thought through his response, hasn't really worked closely with the lawyers, has left many people vulnerable, has left this white house vulnerable. and if you think about the context of how this all unfolded it's telling. >> rose: we continue with ian bremmer president of the political risk consults ansi eur asia group. >> never in my life as a political scientist have have i seen two countries, major countries with a constellation of national interests that are as dissonant while the two leaders seem to be doing everything possible to make nice nice an be close to etch a other, that is what people don't understand. >> rose: we con cleul julia ioffe of the atlantic about done alt trump, jr.'s meeting with the russian lawyer last area. >> she was a

state visit to france this week. when he returns to washington, he will find russia is still dominating the news. on thursday, senate republicans released the newest version of the bill to repeal and replace the affordable care act. joining me now, megan murphy, the editor of "bloomberg businessweek." and from washington, mike allen, the cofounder of axios. and yoni appelbaum, the senior editor for politics at "the atlantic." it has been a heck of a week. i heard the president before he left for france was frustrated and lashing out over the fact the russia story will not go away. i have heard it suggested by some he saw this story involving his son as perhaps the worst development and worst day of his presidency. we have new developments. more new developments today. we have heard the president has hired a new criminal attorney, ty cobb. megan: they have been looking for someone to come in for some time now to be the enforcer on this probe, figure out how they will react in terms of rapid response, as well as making sure people adhere to a similar storyline going forward. yo

visit to france this week. when he returns to washington, you will find russia is still dominating the news. on thursday, senate republicans released the newest version of the bill to repeal and replace the affordable care act. joining me now, megan murphy, the editor of bloomberg businessweek. and from washington, mike allen, the cofounder of axios. and the senior editor for politics at "the atlantic." it has been a heck of a week. i heard the president before he left for france the frustrated over the fact the russia story will not go away. i have heard it suggested by some he saw this story involving his son as perhaps the worst development and worst day of his presidency. we have new developments. more new developments today. we have heard the president has hired a new criminal attorney, ty cobb. >> they have been looking for someone to come in for some time now to be the enforcer on this probe, figure out how they will react in terms of rapid response, as well as making sure people adhere to a similar storyline going forward. you are right in the sense that it cuts the issues

. >> politics, donald trump and russia and trip adler when we continue. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: bank of america. life better connected. >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> good evening, charlie is away. i'm jonathan karl of abc news. we begin tonight with politics. president trouble has been on a state visit to france this week, but when he returns to washington, he'll find that russia is still dominating the news. and on thursday, senate republicans released the newest version of their bill to repeal and replace the affordable care act. joining me now, megan murphy. she's the editor of bloomberg businessweek, and from washington, mike allen, the co-founder of axios and the axios am newsletter. and yoni applebaum, senior editor for politics at the atlantic. wow, it's been a heck of a week. megan, i've heard the president before he left for translashing out deeply frustrated over the fact th

the tone improving , whether it is europe and russia or the u.s. and russia either way? ,david: no, basically because , there are too many divided interests. --sia is interesting interested in dividing europe further. the european interest is in finding ways to stand up. there are members of the european union equally threatened by what they see as an aggressive russia. i think tone matters. but substance matters more. i think we are at a dangerous period, because the global system has been built over the had an american anger, but it also had other multilateral institutions like the european union. if you pull up the anchor, the boat starts rocking. that is the danger. it creates space. when the american anchor in the global system isn't there, when ,"ere is "unpredictability someone in the administration wants to make unpredictability if you are a small country is a , good thing to have up your sleeve. if you are the world's anchor, predictability is very important because you are the benchmark against what everyone else establishes their behavior. especially with the russians, y

collusion between the trump campaign and russia. said these aoregon mill show there is no longer a question of whether this campaign sockesought to collude with a foreign power. joining me from washington is shannon, a correspondent for bloomberg news and ed o'keefe. he is a congressional reporter for "the washington post," and a contributor to cbs news. welcome to both of you. donald trump junior said he released these emails so he could be totally transparent, but it was only because the emails were about to be released by a newspaper. >> that is right. the "new york times" got these and he rushed them out. we appreciate the transparency in putting it out there, but it demonstrates the clearest links yet between officials in the russian government trying to talk to the trump campaign about potentially damaging information about hillary clinton. in the words of mark warner, all of the denials over the past year or so from trump and his sons, that there was no attempt to talk to rush about any of this are now cast aside by the proof that the president's son tweeted out today and sh

in russia. she was referred to as a russian government attorney and the emails laid out that this was on behalf of the russian government efforts to assist donald trump. ocks the legs out from underneath of the stool where they propped up the argument where they say they never met with anyone from the russian government or affiliated with that government or acting on behalf of the government. witchhunte cries of and all of the talk of russia trying to assist the president's andaign was a witchhunt there was nothing there, just a cockamamie scheme, this shows that they actually knew that the russian government was interested in trying to help the trump campaign. host: the president says that he has nothing to do with this. >> that is right. he praised the transparency of his child and said that he ,efers people to his counsel his criminal defense that he has hired. that donaldsaid trump was not aware of this, even though it took place just one floor below his office and that paul manafort and jared kushner, a senior advisor at the white house, was involved. he may not have been dir

and russia. we talk to do shannon pettypiece of bloomberg news and ed o'keefe of "the washington post." >> we have not heard much from the president today. his twitter feed has kind of been eeriely quiet. he was a bit quiet yesterday as well. and sarah huckabee saunders spokesperson to the deputy press secretary put out a statement from the president, a very short brief statement calling his, complimenting his son and saying i admire his transparency. i typically would expect the president is not one who is shy, obviously to lean into controversy when he's attacked, he fights back. of all people to be drug over the coals, his own son, his family is very important to him. >> we continue with charlie's conversation with the cast of the new production of george orwell's 1984. it is with reed birney, tom sturridge and olivia wilde. >> this is a play that speaks to our times and that's why it's really important we all experience it together. >> we conclude with the actor and comedian kumail nanjiani talked to charlie about the new film co-written by his wife, the big sick. >> why aren

revolution. reporter: they accuse the u.s. of humiliating russia are expanding nato to russian borders and supporting revolutions in former soviet states and satellites. he advocates by fighting back against the west with asymmetric war. you talk about introducing geopolitical disorder. actively supporting dissident movements. extremism, racism this seems , much more. >> exactly. we are supporting any kind of national, including russian. you are doing the same thing against us. >> nick schifrin joins me now. i am pleased to welcome him to the program. the first part of the program is how russians see vladimir putin versus how americans see vladimir putin. >> i think this goes to white russians, when the u.s. tax russia, russians see it as an attack on their identity. over the last 15 years, putin has brought relative stability to russia. anybody old enough to remember the 1990's will remember the economic and political chaos. that is the first step. the second step is re-creating russian traditions like the orthodox church, pre-soviet traditions, into a level of pride in shared religio

from enemies. enemy number one, the u.s. they accuse the u.s. of humiliating russia are expanding nato to russian borders and supporting revolutions in former soviet states and satellites. he advocates by fighting back against the west with asymmetric war. dissidenty supporting movements. much more. >> exactly. we are supporting any kind of national, including russian. doing the same thing against us. >> nick schifrin joins me now. i please to welcome him -- i am pleased to welcome him to the program. the first part of the program is how russians see vladimir putin versus how americans see vladimir putin. russians see it as an attack on their identity. over the last 15 years, putin has brought relative stability to russia. anybody old enough to remember the 1990's will remember the economic and political chaos. that is the first step. the second step is re-creating russian traditions like the orthodox church, pre-soviet traditions, into a level of pride in shared religion and traditions. that has tapped into a collective identity that russia has long had. that means the pride russians

tonight with a look inside russia with journalist nick schifrin and talk about his forthcoming series on the pbs "newshour" called "inside putin's russia." >> over the last 15 or so years, putin has brought relative stability to russia. anybody old enough to remember the '90s will remember the political and economic chaos of that, so that is the first step. the second step is re-creating russian traditions like the orthodox church, pre-soviet traditions like the kosics into a level of pride in shared religion and traditions, and that's tapped into a collective identity that russia's long had, and that means that the pride that russians feel, the patriotism that russians feel today, yes, there is some manipulation, there is some propaganda, there is a lot of repression, but it is also a genuine perception that putin has made the country more stable. >> glor: we continue with steven cook of the council of foreign relations and talk about the recent saudi arabian-led block aid of qatar and what it means for the middle east and the u.s. >> the qatarys are going to be isolated from the reg

friendship with the president of russia and feel the need for reassurance. he gave what his staff wanted him to give them, a robust speech in the center of warsaw. very pro-polish, and he said russia needed to be confronted on destabilizing activity in ukraine and syria. by the end of the day, he had a press conference where he was not on script and seemed to get -- basically to give an entirely different message. he was asked again, do you believe russia meddled in the election last year and what would you do about it? he said i think it was russia, it could have been some other countries, nobody knows for sure. again, casting doubt on it. and attacking president obama for not doing more about it even though president trump is not sure it happened. and then he mentioned the iraq war intelligence fiasco. these mixed messages are an interesting product of his first day. susan: it is the full spectrum of donald trump. you have the obsessive, micromanaging partisan figure. and then this bombastic speech. i want to ask you about this speech. donald trump seems to have embraced the full on cl

friendship with the president of russia and feel the need for reassurance. he gave what his staff wanted him to give them, a robust speech in the center of warsaw. very pro-polish, and he said russia needed to be confronted on destabilizing activity in ukraine and syria. by the end of the day, he had a press conference where he was not on script and seemed to get a different message. he was asked again, do you believe russia meddled in the election last year and what would you do about it? he said i think it was russia, it could have been some other countries, nobody knows for sure. again, casting doubt on it. and attacking president obama for not doing more about it even though president trump is not sure it happened. and then he mentioned the iraq war intelligence fiasco. these mixed messages are an interesting product of his first day. susan: it is the full spectrum of donald trump. you have the obsessive, micromanaging partisan figure. and then this bombastic speech. i want to ask you about this speech. donald trump seems to have embraced the full on clash of civilizations rhetoric in th

eastern europeans who have been dubious about his expressed friendship with the president of russia and feel the need for reassurance. he gave what his staff wanted him to give them, a robust speech in the center of warsaw. very pro-polish, and he said russia needed to be confronted on destabilizing activity in ukraine and syria. by the end of the day, he had a press conference where he was not on script and seemed to get a different message. he was asked again, do you believe russia meddled in the election last year and what would you do about it? he said i think it was russia, it could have been some other countries, nobody knows for sure. again, casting doubt on it. and attacking president obama for not doing more about it even though president trump is not sure it happened. and then mentioned the iraq war intelligence fiasco. these mixed messages aren't interesting -- are an interesting product of his first day. >> it is the full spectrum of donald trump. you have the obsessive, micromanaging partisan figure. and then this bombastic speech. i want to ask you about this speech. d

president of russia and needed ria insurance and he gave what his staff wanted him to give which was a robust speech in the center of warsaw, very pro-polish and said russia need to be in a destabilizing campaign. then he seemed not on script and was going to give an entirely different message. he was asked if russia meddled in the election what would you do about it, he said, i think it was russia, could have been people from other countries, nobody knows for sure, once again casting doubt, and attacking president obama for not doing more about it even though president trump isn't sure it really happened, and then mentioning the whole iraq war intelligence fiasco to say who really knows with these intelligence agencies anyway. so these mixed messages are really a very interesting product of the first day. >> it's the full spectrum trump. you have donald trump in many ways, you know, the obsessive, micromanaging partisan figure, and then this very bombastic speech. i want to ask you about the speech. donald trump seems to have embraced the full-on clash of civilizations rhetoric in thi

russia over that hacking of our elections. president trump is trying to water down the bill right now. i think this is a real problem for him. if he is seen as too soft on president putin, there will be a problem back home in washington because republicans, not just democrats are gearing up to send russia a tough message. so, that, and other issues, is going to be important for this meeting. jeff: the white house has said that the ukraine will not be discussed and there is no guarantee the cyber attack will be discussed. what will be? nick: when you look at meetings like this and this is the very first meeting of the two leaders will ever have had. the primary i think focus should be establishing some kind of effective communications between them so that in the future if there is a crisis or even on monday and issues they can , communicate effectively on behalf of their own two countries. but these summits are always graded by other countries. in this case, america's european allies. and they will be watching to see if the white house spokesperson sean spicer says that ukraine was raised

government. and the center just voted two weeks ago by a 97-2 margin to put sages on russia over that hacking of our elections. president trump is trying to water down the bill right now. i think this is a real problem for him. onhe is seen as too sfooft president putin, there will be a problem back home in washington because republicans, not just democrats are gearing up to send russia tough message. so, that an other measures -- issues, seer is going to be important for this meeting. jeff: the white house has said that the ukraine will not be discussed and there is no guarantee the cyber attack will be discussed. what will be? >> when you look at meetings like this and this is the very first meeting of the two leaders will ever have had. the primary i think focus should be establishing some kind of effective communications between them so that in the future if onre is a crisis or even monday issues, they can communicate effectively on behalf of their own two countries. ts are alwaysmi graded by other countries. in this case, americans european allies. and they will be watching

russia over ukraine and its annexation of crimea. very important that the united states support the europeans and our own policy on this. as you know, president trump has at several points during his presidency and during the campaign intim ated he would like to lift those sanctions but putin has done nothing to warrant that. and second and i think most important for president trump is the fact that putin launched a cyberattack on the american elections in 2016. there has been absolutely no response from president trmp, no investigation by the trump administration, no pressure on the russian government, and the senate just voted two weeks ago by a 97-2 margin to put sanctions on russia, over that hacking of our election. president trump is trying to water down that bill right now. i think this is a real pob-- problem for him. if he is seen as too soft and too weak on president putin, there is going to be a problem back home in washington because republicans in the senate, not just democrats are gearing up to send russia a tough message. so that and other issues, syria as well are go

ground with russia. but it's not clear, for example, if there will be discussion at all about the 2016 presidential election. his president trump going to confront and about what the u.s. intelligence agencies have concluded? that russia intervened under the direction of putin with the exclusive game of electing trauma trump? >> what are the risks to taking a meeting like this if there are no clear goals that we know of? >> well, it's a very risky meeting. it's a meeting that trump has to have. the president of russia, it's late in the game, even in the first year of a presidency, for him to be meeting with vladimir putin. but if he goes in there without an agenda, which is what the white house sort of indicated when they confirmed that the meeting was happening, that is huge risk for him and the united states. you can bet that vladimir putin is coming in with a big agenda of his own, including wanting to see the sanctions imposed on russia for the seizure of crimea and the interference in the ukraine and meddling in the elections lifted. and he wants to seek some common .round on thos

russia, but it's unclear, for example, if there is going to be any discussion about the 2016 u.s. election. is president trump going to confront president putin about what the u.s. intelligence agencies have concluded which is that russia at the direction of putin intervened with the u.s. election last year with the explicit aim of helping elect donald trump. >> glor: julie, what are the risks to taking a meeting like this if there are no clear goals in mind necessarily that we know of? >> well, it's a very risky meeting. it's a meeting that president trump really has to have. this is the president of russia. it's actually quite late in the game even in the first year of a presidency for him to be meeting with vladimir putin, but if he goes in there without an agenda, which is what the white house sort of indicated when they briefed reporters about this trip and confirmed the meeting was happening, that is a huge risk for him and the united states because you can bet vladimir putin coming in with a big agenda of his own, including he wants to see the sanctions that have been impo

in our elections and the cyberattacks that russia has been carrying out in the united states. there is a desperate hope of a foreign-policy community in the u.s., from members of congress, that the president will take this opportunity to say to putin , as president obama said, knock it off. send a strong signal trying to interfere in our elections is not acceptable. we do not know the president will go that far and say that because he has shown hesitation about making a big issue about russian interference, and the feeling of those close to the president say he fears it will undermine his presidency be really eight knowledges that russians played a role in influencing elections. collusion aside, but with fake news and tweet bots, that sort of interference could delegitimize his presidency. alison: there has been reporting that president trump has tasked the national security council with bargaining chips, something to bring to the meeting to use. but with something like that be? shannon: one could be syria. there is this desire to try and strike a deal in syria, so if you go work ou

interference in our elections and the cyber hacking and attacks russia has been carrying out in the united states. there is a desperate hope from the foreign policy community in the u.s., from members of congress, that the president will take this opportunity to say to putin to knock it off, to send a clear signal trying to interfere in our elections is not acceptable. we do not know if the president is going to go that far and say that, because he has shown hesitation about making a big issue over russian interference in the election. the feeling of those close to the president is he is concerned it will undermine his presidency if he acknowledges russians played a role in influencing the election. collusion aside. just with fake news and tweet bots, that sort of interference by the russians could be enough to rattle or delegitimize his presidency. that is the concern. alison: there has been reporting president trump has tasked the national security council to come up with bargaining chips, something he can bring to the meeting to use. what would something like that be? shannon: on

elections and the cyber hacking and attacks russia has been carrying out in the united states. there is a desperate hope from the foreign policy community in the u.s., from members of congress, that the president will take this opportunity to say to putin to knock it off, to send a clear signal trying to interfere in our elections is not acceptable. we do not know if the president is going to go that far and say that, because he has shown hesitation about making a big issue over russian interference in the election. the feeling of those close to the president is he is concerned it will undermine his presidency if he acknowledges russians played a role in influencing the election. collusion aside. just with fake news and tweet bots, that sort of interference by the russians could be enough to rattle or delegitimize his presidency. that is the concern. alison: there has been reporting president trump has tasked the national security council to come up with bargaining chips, something he can bring to the meeting to use. what would something like that be? shannon: one could be syria. there is