the rules that caused him to recuse himself from the russia investigation would also make him have to recuse himself from anything having to do with hillary clinton because of his involvement in the trump campaign. >> rose: we turn to jeremy grantham, chief strategist at g.m.o. we talk about controversial views on the future of capitalism. >> i think the biggest risk to american society is the drift to more corporate power in politics and through monopolies and so on, unless -- and less to the workers and the destruction of the unions and the income inequality where we are 20t 20th out of 20 rich countries. we are the most unequal society. also, the speed with which you can move from one economic class to another. one always used to think of america as being extremely mobile. we're the stickiest, the most difficult society in the developed 20 countries -- >> rose: to go from lower class to the middle class. >> yes. >> rose: politics and economy when we continue. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news a

he can't hear the rules that recused him from the russia administration would have to reduce himself from anything with -- recuse himself with anything from hillary clinton because of the campaign. he said i don't want my attorney general to go after hillary clinton. it is not a priority. during the campaign he said, whatever we would do with hillary clinton, it would be a to my attorney general. a lot of mixed messages. every day, the president attacking sessions, anthony scaramucci saying, suggesting the president doesn't want sessions to keep the job. there is no substantive argument here in terms of the key parts of the trump agenda, whether immigration or cracking down on crime. those critiques are not being leveled at jeff sessions. it is the russia investigation or what he hasn't done in investigating hillary clinton or the side issues. it is worth remembering there is no more loyal member of the cabinet if you measure who is out there loud and proud for donald trump when there was political risk. charlie: and first. john: and first, and at a crucial time when ted cruz was cha

charlie: between my election campaign and russia's. john: when he says is nothing but the independent counsel, the special counsel, bob mueller, obviously thinks trump has a long history of intertwinement with russia and he thinks that is relevant as to the issue of collusion. charlie: that someone rescued him and gave him funds. mark: no one in america wants a special counsel appointed to investigate this. bill clinton felt similarly but this special counsel has things about him that are distinctive. number one, he's extremely competent. number two, he is beyond reproach in the view of republicans and democrats alike, and number three, he has hired quickly and is moving fast. sometimes moving fast is a good thing for someone because they don't want a long investigation but this guy moving fast i don't think is in the president's interests because he's in the beginning of his presidency and the whole thing, right now, to some extent has overtaken anything else and could quickly bring it down. john: and before he is a man behaving as of

senate has just approved that new round of sanctions against russia, iran, and north korea. an overwhelming majority voted in favor of the bill. >> senator mccain returns fair crucial vote on health care. >> we been spinning our wheels and keep trying to find a way to win without help from across the aisle. we are getting nothing done, my friends. we're getting nothing done. >> who the hell wants to speak about politics when i'm in front of the boy scouts? >> congratulations to you and everybody over at "cbs this morning." you personally was nominated for two news emmys. >> it's a collaborative art-- i know, not for you. >> the cameras, it's just you and me, folks ♪ give me your, give me your attention, baby ♪ >> this cute baby minding his own business. >> we can stop this horrible bill! >> i would plead one last time-- turn back now before it's too late. >> i'm going to fight with every ounce of my being to stop this. >> anthony scaramucci is the new white house communications chief. >> the incoming white house communications director unleashing on white house staff in

he a fears the independent counsel will investigate things beyond russia. he fears that-- . >> rose: meaning the building of his. >> financial empire. he fathers his children will be dragged into this in a way that will be really bad for their lives. and he fears that people will start cooperating with the independent counsel. creating all sorts of potential problems. >> rose: to save their own skin. >> to save their own skin. and obviously he fears this will block anything he could do to make him a tbreat presidency. >> rose: and perhaps re-election. >> for sure. he may fear substantially more than that but he fears at a minimum those things. >> a couple of those things is he right to fear. his children, don, jr. is now being dragged in the middle of this. jared kushner, his son in law is dragged in the middle thereby dragging in some sense at least by marriage his daughter into it. and so that is happening. they're already in the middle of this now. and it is also the case that depending how you define things outside the scope of russia and again there is

and it's also the case that depending on how you define things outside the scope of russia and again there's some question about the things that trump says, well, if he starts finances, that's outside of -- i think he defines the russia thing is what calendar year16, 2016. it's clear right now. charlie: between my election russia's.nd john: when he says is nothing council, --pendent muller,ial counsel, bob obviously thinks trump has a intertwinement with russia and he thinks that ofrelevant as to the issue collusion. someone rescued him and gave him funds. mark: no one in america wants a counsel appointed to investigate this. similarly butelt this special counsel has things about him that are distinctive. one, he's extremely competent. number two, he is beyond ofroach in the view republicans and democrats alike, and number three, he has hired is moving fast. sometimes moving fast is a good thing for someone because they don't want a long investigation this guy moving fast i don't think is in the president's interests because he's in the presidency ands the whole thing, right now, to

if he starts moving to do business dealings in connection to russia. so you can imagine a situation where the family members would have quite an incentive to stop the investigation before it uncovers things that cause a potential problem. charlie: the shifting factions in the white house, it is really hard, because they are not united on issues that are necessarily consistent. for example, bannon was said to be opposed to the hiring of the new communications chief. according to the reports i read. whereas, others you would think would not have an opinion, were in favor of it. jonathan: that's true. i mean, one of the key dynamics at the moment is that steve bannon and reince priebus have become allies of convenience in a feud against jared kushner and ivanka trump. that is probably in terms of the hottest conflicts in the white house, that is probably right at the top. and jared and ivanka distrust reince priebus, they think he is incompetent, and they want him out of the job. to the extent which steve bannon sees them as ideological enemies, he wants

., jared kushner and ivanka trump, if he starts moving into business dealings with russia. so you can imagine a situation where the family members would have quite an incentive to stop that investigation before it uncovers things that could potentially cause them tremendous problems. >> rose: it's hard, the shifting factions within the white house or what we know about them from the reporting because they're not united on s said to be opposed to theon hiring of the new communications chief. >> right. >> rose: according to the reports i've read, i mean, whereas others who you think would not necessarily even have an opinion were in favor of it. >> right. that's true. i mean, one of the -- one of the key dynamics at the moment is that steve bannon and reince priebus, the chief of staff, have become allies of convenience in a feud against jared kushner and ivanka trump. that is probably, in terms of the hottest conflicts in the white house, that's probably right up at the top, and jared and ivanka distrust reince priebus, they think he's incomp at the present time and want him

i don't believe this administration will be defined by russia. i think mr. mueller there's no evidence of collusion induced, but there may be wrongdoing by individuals. the administration will be defined by what it does or fails to do. right now, the ice is thin. when it breaks, it will be dramatic, unless they deliver. you get the fall and the first quarter of 2018, but after that, nothing happens. you don't want to go into the midterms with your party staying at home angry and the other party marching in the streets. that's a recipe for a wave. charlie: so trump will be defined between now and right before the midterm election? >> absence and extraordinary crisis abroad, yes. >> he's right. we spend a lot of time talking about the russian investigation. that dominates headlines. but i think when voters go to vote in 2018, i agree 100%. i think what will happen will be more reflective of whether they see anything in washington true to his promises. as an american, i'm really concerned, because he tapped into a great deal of anger in this country. legitimate

i don't believe this administration will be defined by russia. in the final a sl-- analysis i think mr. mueller will find there is no collusion there may have been wrongdoing by individuals. the administration will be defined by what it does or fails to get done. and right now the ice is thin. and when it breaks it is going to break pretty damn dramically unless they begin to deliver. they do get about 14 months. you get the fall and the first quarter of 18 but after that, nothing happens and you don't want to go into the mid terms with your party staying at home angry and the other party marching in the streets. that is a recipe for a waive. >> trump as president will be defined between now and right before the mid term elections, six months before the mid term election. >> absent some extraordinary crisis abroad, yes. >> hugh is absolutely right. we all send enormous amounts of time talking about the russian investigation. that dominates theadlines. but i do think when votedders go to vote in 2018 in the congressional mid terms, i agree 100%. i

. >> i did not: with russia, nor do i know if anyone else in the campaign who did so. i had no improper contacts. i have not relied on russian businesses, and i have been fully transparent in providing all requested information. charlie: donald trump jr. and former campaign chairman paul manafort will also appear before the judiciary committee this week.joining me from washington, robert costa from the washington post and moderator of "washington week," on pbs, susan page of usa today, and hugh hewitt, of "the hugh and frank bruni of the new york times. tell me about the appearance today and what might have been this week with respect to the testimony. >> i think jared kushner did about as well as anyone could in a difficult situation, charlie. i read his entire 11 page letter over the air so that commuters could hear it. it was not denial. it was specific and details. it was explanatory. for those trying to give trump the benefit of the doubt, they would find it comforting.i found it interesting that he said he has never met sergei gore called for -- before. i also fo

he gets to escape the headlines and the drumbeats of the russia investigation. but also he does get to , establish a personal relationship with some of these leaders, which is something he is comfortable with. he is very transactional. a relationship with a foreign leader can be transactional. we can do this for you and you can do that for us. that might be an area where he is more comfortable, as opposed to dealing with congress where you have hundreds of people you are trying to get on the same page. jeff: it is really all about these bilateral discussions with him, right? dan: shannon is right. foreign policy is often where presidents who are embattled turn to because they have greater latitude. as she said, you do have to worry but every member of congress and their views on it. you are the president of the united states dealing with another head of state. that creates a different dynamic. we know one thing about president trump. he likes to deal one-on-one with people. he likes to get to know them. he likes to take a measure of them. he feels he knows how t

the president was about the decision by jeff sessions to recuse himself from all things relate to the russia investigation. that's been out there for a while. but we've never heard it from the president's voice and we've never heard it in such a kind of a dismissive way and in an angry way about what sessions had done. it's as if that decision has led to this cascading of an investigation. it's obviously more complicated than that. there's a different time line that the president is overlooking as to how we got to this point with the mueller investigation. but it has to be humiliating to the attorney general to be operating like this. and as i say, i think the only thing he can do is he seemed to do on thursday is swallow his pride and try to carry on as long as he can. >> jeff: the time line part of this is important from the presidential perspective and maybe hasn't been examined as much. but there's also the question shannon of finding someone if sessions did resign or was fired to find someone willing to take that job then. >> yes, almost as hard as finding someone to take the communicat

at the top of the list the president's growing concern over the russia probes. shannon pettypiece joinings me, covers the white house for "bloomberg news." and in washington dan balz, chief correspondent for "the washington post." welcome to both of you. shannon, let me start in studio big news of the station sean spicer is out as communications director. >> and anthony scar moochie, finance year and italian and long backer of trump is in as communications director. there's not a sense he will be doing much communications messaging, strategy. he will most be doing tv appearances, possibly the podium and be a public face for trump in the white house but not necessarily anyone who understands washington, understands congress, understands messaging. >> glor: it's interesting, there are similarities between the president and anthony scarmucci, the native new yorker, the fighter, anthony's more finance, the president real estate, but there are similarities. >> there are. they're both combative, both money people, they're both new york. they speak a similar language i

john dowd will be the lead attorney on the team dealing with special prosecutor robert mueller's russia investigation. dowd is denying reports the president wants to highlight potential conflict of interest on the special counsel's team. iran's deputy foreign minister a

charlie: did you approve russia coming in? -- made a point that they were invited in by the assad government. were you ok with russia coming in to prop up the assad government? mr. javad sharif: what we have said is that we do not interfere in the decision by a sovereign government. i give you a clearer example. we disagree with the united states, but we do not intervene against the united states cooperating with the iraqi government. we have not intervened against it. because we believe that is a decision that the iraqi government should make. we may oppose it, but it is their decision. charlie: so do you encourage the government of iraq? to make sure that members of the sunni islam, are not shut out from government? so that they do not see what we have seen time after time, first al qaeda, then isis, come out of people who felt like they were excluded. javad zarif: we believe that the iraqi government should be inclusive. charlie: and you encourage the iraqi government to do that. mr. javad sharif: absolutely. charlie: the m

government. >> we have very good relations with russia because russia is a very important neighbor of iran, is an important partner for iran and we engage with russia. we have similar views on many subjects. >> rose: what's your relationship with the turkish government. >> we have very good relations with turkey government. we have some difference of view with turkish government on some regional issues but our relations with turkey are excellent. and we engage with turkey on issues that we disagree with. including syria. we have engaged more closely probably with turkey on syria than any other country because we feel these issues should be dealt with through dialogue and multilateral discussions. iran, turkey and russia i said are parts of the process and we've been able to do some good. >> rose: that's part one of a two-part series of a conversation with the foreign minister of iran javad zarif. tomorrow night, part two. for more about this program and early episodes visit us on-line at pbs.org and charlierose.com. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access

at that moment i think trump , awoke to the danger that the russia probe posed to him. he sent bannon back from saudi arabia to try to stand up some kind of outside legal war room to fight harder. charlie: is he in control of that? josh: i don't think he is. he knew that the lawyer from the campaign, when they were fighting off these accusations from women who said that trump had groped them. bannon and the lawyer knew each other well. charlie: this is what is interesting to me. the person trump seems to admire the most is james mattis. general mattis. he has given him the most power. he can make decisions on the battlefield and getting praise from military strategists. it may say something about his admiration for people that he thinks are tough -- josh: i would go a step further and say, veneration. especially for military generals. one thing you noticed in the campaign is whenever trump was in trouble, he would surround himself with generals. when he was finally forced to apologize for the birther slander, do you remember what he did? he calls the very strange press

i think the whitehouse house to figure out what's the strategy with dealing with the russia probe in the midst of all that. they need to create a clear separation between the president and the governing part of the whitehouse and the russia investigation part of management control. and move down both those tracks simultaneously. that's where we're going to be for a while and that hasn't been very effective for them so far. they're going to have to figure out how to separate scandal management from governs and put some things on the board. >> rose: do either of you know, speaking of the russian probe, an answer to why the president's so resistent to this probe, other than there is something that's damaging to him, whatever it is. >> i think there is at a minimum, there's a trump style that says basically you give no quarter when you're under attack or you're under siege. so you give no ground. is that because there's something working in the shadows or because he's afraid that was not fighting everybody every step of the way is a signal of weakness. i don't think we know which of thos

that's the way you figure out policy in russia. from their perspective, hillary was going to win because the establishment was going to figure out a way to ensure their people would win. i think the russians were probably more surprised than the americans that trump actually won. i absolutely believe that. but it's hard for me to imagine -- charlie: but you have no doubt that they hacked and attempted to influence the election one way or the other. ian: no doubt whatsoever. charlie: but where you can't go yet is a collusion between the president of russia and his government and his intelligence operatives, and members of the trump team providing them something which would have clearly been beyond the pale. ian: and that they would have gotten something in return, some commitment of meaningful offers. charlie: or they wanted to do it because they thought they had some leverage on the president, and if he was elected, they would have an advantage. ian: but it clearly seems there were many people around trump, some quite high-level, t

-russia relationships. he's trying to rebuild his presidency and he's on the plane ride back and he gets the call from "the new york times." they're coming out with this story on don, jr. so every time this president and this presidency try to take a turn, a turn back to the mid 40st, a turn back away from russia, a new story, a new bombshell seems to come right at them. and that has been the story of this first six months. they do all these different things on populism and bannon and trump and steven miller but at the end of the day, it's the cloud, as the president itself has called it that hangs over him. >> rose: bob casta thank you for coining us, pleasure. we'll be right back, stay with us. >> president trump returned to washington from france this weekend. it was his second trip overseas in as many weeks. earlier this month he was in hamburg, germany for the g20 summit. during the annual trump sat down with president putin in a widely covered bilateral meeting. it was revealed earlier today that trum

when he returns to washington, he will find russia is still dominating the news. on thursday, senate republicans released the newest version of the bill to repeal and replace the affordable care act. joining me now, megan murphy, the editor of "bloomberg businessweek." and from washington, mike allen, the cofounder of axios. and yoni appelbaum, the senior editor for politics at "the atlantic." it has been a heck of a week. i heard the president before he left for france was frustrated and lashing out over the fact the russia story will not go away. i have heard it suggested by some he saw this story involving his son as perhaps the worst development and worst day of his presidency. we have new developments. more new developments today. we have heard the president has hired a new criminal attorney, ty cobb. megan: they have been looking for someone to come in for some time now to be the enforcer on this probe, figure out how they will react in terms of rapid response, as well as making sure people adhere to a similar storyline going forward. you are right in the se

he's watched russia become a mafia state. and rather than being appalled by it, it seems to me he is embracing it. and the mafia state that putin has put together. it's an interesting trays but what does it really mean. what you see is a sense of oligarchs and crime bosses that comes up again and again and again. putin allows them to work and allows them to become wealthy as long as they're serving putin's interest and a long as they don't challenge him politically. >> many of them seem to take interest in trump property. trump tower was a demand property from the very beginning. >> right. but you have to wonder about money laundering though in this. if you look at special counsel robert mueller and look at the people's he's hired recent ly hired lisa pay who has enormous experience. and andrew wiseman who is also an expert in money laundering. >> i want to get to that in a minute would you think the investigation might be going and whether or not it could be looking into some of this. but among, you highlight sell of these k

other than that, i have nothing to do with russia. jonathan: in 2008, donald trump, jr., told the real estate conference russians make up a disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets and he added we see a lot of money pouring in from russia. as craig unger reports in this month's edition of "the new republic," the money has been pouring in for the better part of three decades. as some of that money has come from questionable stories. i'm pleased to welcome him to the program. details, heavily researched story about trump's ties, business ties to russia, about the role russian money has played throughout his business career. >> absolutely. i think we see these blockbusters dropping almost every day now in the press. what i was trying to do is say they do not come out of the blue. this is part of the story that goes back to i found in 1984 when for the first time a guy named david met with donald trump. this was a fellow with ties to the russian mob. he goes in and buys five condos. the state attorney general later said that