department of homeland security which would take him out of the russia if you wish he has reduced himself of, do -- issue which he has refused himself -- recused himself. he would be in charge of ice. i don't know if they can pull that one off because he can only appoint sessions as an acting department of homeland security secretary, and we have a problem with who we replace him with. charlie: will john kelly be able to contain scaramucci? jonathan: that is a great question. scaramucci has learned a lesson this week, and we will see a much more low price on -- low-profile anthony scaramucci. that will be happening under any circumstance. charlie: the fact the president respects general kelly so much, does that mean he will be able to rely on general kelly? answer the question, who can say no to the president? jonathan: that is a great question, because general kelly is a military man. one of the things the president likes is that when he says he wants to go in a direction, general kelly secured in that. it is an open question whether or not general kelly will go into the oval office and

can't. the rules that caused him to recuse himself from the russia investigation would also make him have to recuse himself from anything having to do with hillary clinton because of his involvement in the trump campaign. >> rose: we turn to jeremy grantham, chief strategist at g.m.o. we talk about controversial views on the future of capitalism. >> i think the biggest risk to american society is the drift to more corporate power in politics and through monopolies and so on, unless -- and less to the workers and the destruction of the unions and the income inequality where we are 20t 20th out of 20 rich countries. we are the most unequal society. also, the speed with which you can move from one economic class to another. one always used to think of america as being extremely mobile. we're the stickiest, the most difficult society in the developed 20 countries -- >> rose: to go from lower class to the middle class. >> yes. >> rose: politics and economy when we continue. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multi

the independent counsel will investigate things beyond russia. he fears -- charlie: meaning the building of his financial empire? mark: right. he fears his children will be dragged into this in a way that will be bad for their lives and he fears that people will start cooperating with the independent counsel, creating all sorts of potential problems. charlie: to save their own skin. mark: to save their own skin and obviously he fears that this will block anything he could do to be considered a great president. charlie: and ruin re-election? mark: oh, sure. he may fear substantially more than that but at least at a minimum, those things. john: don jr. is now dragged into the middle of this, jared kushner is dragged into the middle of this, dragging at least by marriage his daughter into this so they're already in the middle of this now. and it's also the case that depending on how you define things outside the scope of russia and again there's some question about the things that trump says, well, if he starts looking at my finances, that's outside of -- i think he defines the rus

counsel will investigate things beyond russia. he fears that-- . >> rose: meaning the building of his. >> financial empire. he fathers his children will be dragged into this in a way that will be really bad for their lives. and he fears that people will start cooperating with the independent counsel. creating all sorts of potential problems. >> rose: to save their own skin. >> to save their own skin. and obviously he fears this will block anything he could do to make him a tbreat presidency. >> rose: and perhaps re-election. >> for sure. he may fear substantially more than that but he fears at a minimum those things. >> a couple of those things is he right to fear. his children, don, jr. is now being dragged in the middle of this. jared kushner, his son in law is dragged in the middle thereby dragging in some sense at least by marriage his daughter into it. and so that is happening. they're already in the middle of this now. and it is also the case that depending how you define things outside the scope of russia and again there is some question about the things that trump says. well,

., jared kushner, ivanka trump. if he starts moving to do business dealings in connection to russia. so you can imagine a situation where the family members would have quite an incentive to stop the investigation before it uncovers things that cause a potential problem. charlie: the shifting factions in the white house, it is really hard, because they are not united on issues that are necessarily consistent. for example, bannon was said to be opposed to the hiring of the new communications chief. according to the reports i read. whereas, others you would think would not have an opinion, were in favor of it. jonathan: that's true. i mean, one of the key dynamics at the moment is that steve bannon and reince priebus have become allies of convenience in a feud against jared kushner and ivanka trump. that is probably in terms of the hottest conflicts in the white house, that is probably right at the top. and jared and ivanka distrust reince priebus, they think he is incompetent, and they want him out of the job. to the extent which steve bannon sees them as ideological enemies, he wants to

dealings with russia. so you can imagine a situation where the family members would have quite an incentive to stop that investigation before it uncovers things that could potentially cause them tremendous problems. >> rose: it's hard, the shifting factions within the white house or what we know about them from the reporting because they're not united on s said to be opposed to theon hiring of the new communications chief. >> right. >> rose: according to the reports i've read, i mean, whereas others who you think would not necessarily even have an opinion were in favor of it. >> right. that's true. i mean, one of the -- one of the key dynamics at the moment is that steve bannon and reince priebus, the chief of staff, have become allies of convenience in a feud against jared kushner and ivanka trump. that is probably, in terms of the hottest conflicts in the white house, that's probably right up at the top, and jared and ivanka distrust reince priebus, they think he's incomp at the present time and want him out of the job. the extent to which steve bannon sees jared and i ivanka aa

. he addressed the media after the closed-door meeting. >> i did not collude with russia, nor do i know if anyone else in the campaign who did so. i had no improper contacts. in a i have not relied on russian funds for my businesses, and i have been fully transparent in providing all requested information. charlie: donald trump jr. and former campaign chairman paul manafort will also appear before the judiciary committee this week. joining me from washington, joining me from washington, one robert costa from the washington post and moderator of "washington week," on pbs, susan page of usa today, and hugh hewitt, of "the hugh hewitt show," and frank bruni of the new york times. tell me about the appearance today and what might have been this week with respect to the testimony. >> i think jared kushner did about as well as anyone could in a difficult situation, charlie. i read his entire 11 page letter over the air so that commuters could hear it. it was not denial. it was specific and details. it was explanatory. for those trying to give trump the benefit of the doubt, they would fi

russia an we continue with an assessment of president trump's first six months in office. we talk to frank bruni, susan page, hugh hewitt and robert costa. >> as an american i'm concerned because he tapped into a great deal of anger in this country, legitimate anger about the broken ways of washington, about broken promises. what happens to that anger if after two years or four years of donald trump, washington looks exactly the same, the sorts of priorities that we have been paralyzed about and that haven't vnsed have not advanced any further. what happens to american's alreadyive schriff eled faith. this concerns me not as a democrat or republican but as an american. >> and we conclude this evening with a voice from within the white housement is he sebastian gorka deputy assistant to president trump and close ally of steve bannon. >> in the die metric opposition to the last administration, we wholeheartedly embrace what america stands for. we don't see the world problems as lying at the feet of american foreign policy or our culture. quite the opposite. we say as a juda christian n

with the probe on the russia investigation under special counsel bob mueller, his frustrations he aired this week with jeff sessions, the attorney general. yes, he did have all the republican senators into the white house after the built in the senate collapsed earlier this week. and he indicated he want something done. but getting to that goal line has proven so difficult, and the president has not necessarily played a constructive role in getting it to a success. he will say those kinds of things, but there has been little follow-through. i think we have to be skeptical there will be presidential follow-through. i think the senate will try to do what they can do. senator mcconnell, the majority leader, kind of reached the end of his limits earlier this week. while there will be a vote next week or effort to have a vote to put a bill on the floor, it is not clear they will even be able to succeed getting the bill on the floor. jeff: as you have noted, there has been a little bit of a change in strategy for the president. he was very involved with the house and house members and c

himself from all things relate to the russia investigation. that's been out there for a while. but we've never heard it from the president's voice and we've never heard it in such a kind of a dismissive way and in an angry way about what sessions had done. it's as if that decision has led to this cascading of an investigation. it's obviously more complicated than that. there's a different time line that the president is overlooking as to how we got to this point with the mueller investigation. but it has to be humiliating to the attorney general to be operating like this. and as i say, i think the only thing he can do is he seemed to do on thursday is swallow his pride and try to carry on as long as he can. >> jeff: the time line part of this is important from the presidential perspective and maybe hasn't been examined as much. but there's also the question shannon of finding someone if sessions did resign or was fired to find someone willing to take that job then. >> yes, almost as hard as finding someone to take the communications director job at the whitehouse which was one of t

the strategy for dealing with the russia probe in the midst of all that. i think they need to create a clear separation between the president and the governing part of the white house. and the russian investigation part of management control and move down both those tracks simultaneously. that is where we will be for a while and that has not been very effective. we will have to figure how to separate scandal management from governance and put some things on the board. charlie: do either of you know, speaking of the russian probe, an answer to why the president is so resistant to this probe, other than there is something that is damaging to him, whatever it is? jerry: at a minimum, there is a trump style that says basically, you give no quarter when you are under attack or under siege. you give no ground. is that because there is something working in the shadows? or because he's afraid that not fighting everybody every step of the way is a symbol of weakness? i don't think we know which of those it is. david: it is either something is bad there or trump knows no style, other than the

disagreed with him when he proved not to be effective. but the russia scandal came along and all of a sudden, a lot of people in his inner circle and his own family are embroiled in very serious scandals. charlie: and a fight for survival. josh: a scandal that trump himself inflamed by firing james comey, the f ei director. -- the fbi director. charlie: advised by jared kushner to do that. josh: that is what my white house sources tell me. that steve bannon had warned against it. warned against firing comey. what broadband and back is that just before trump left for his foreign trip in may, attorney general jeff sessions had recused himself. rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, decided that they needed to impose a special counsel and chose robert mueller. a very serious man. a real threat to the president. if he's done anything wrong -- it only happened because he fired comey. i think trump awoke to the danger that the russia probe posed to him. he sent bannon back from saudi arabia to try to stand up some kind of outside legal war room to fight harder. he knew that the lawyer

-- at an objective or read, the u.s.-russia relationship is as bad as it's been since under -- charlie: vladimir putin has said so. ian: and the entire establishment in the u.s. has also said so. everyone says trump is flip-flopping on china, he says they are an enemy, flip-flops on nato, all these things, yet on russia he is consistent. i want to find a way to work more closely. charlie: is it because he has a grand strategy or something else? ian: i was discussing this with richard haass on the council of foreign relations today. we are both a little flummoxed. you can definitely say trump likes the strong man. he likes erdogan in turkey, he duterte in the philippines, he likes xi jinping in china, he likes people who get things done. you definitely can say about trump that he also is very transactional, so he's willing to put his chips in to see if you can get something done and then see how they fall. that was with obama, when he first met obama in the oval office, and with xi jinping. also the fact that obama's relationship with putin was damaged in the end, so there's

, legally, politically when it comes to the russia question am and don, jr.'s involvement in this meeting last summer with a russian lawyer an a former russian military official and jared kushner and paul manafort, the former campaign hands has really caused alarm within the west wing because don, jr. is seen as someone who hasn't really thought through his response, hasn't really worked closely with the lawyers, has left many people vulnerable, has left this white house vulnerable. and if you think about the context of how this all unfolded it's telling. >> rose: we continue with ian bremmer president of the political risk consults ansi eur asia group. >> never in my life as a political scientist have have i seen two countries, major countries with a constellation of national interests that are as dissonant while the two leaders seem to be doing everything possible to make nice nice an be close to etch a other, that is what people don't understand. >> rose: we con cleul julia ioffe of the atlantic about done alt trump, jr.'s meeting with the russian lawyer last area. >> she was a

state visit to france this week. when he returns to washington, he will find russia is still dominating the news. on thursday, senate republicans released the newest version of the bill to repeal and replace the affordable care act. joining me now, megan murphy, the editor of "bloomberg businessweek." and from washington, mike allen, the cofounder of axios. and yoni appelbaum, the senior editor for politics at "the atlantic." it has been a heck of a week. i heard the president before he left for france was frustrated and lashing out over the fact the russia story will not go away. i have heard it suggested by some he saw this story involving his son as perhaps the worst development and worst day of his presidency. we have new developments. more new developments today. we have heard the president has hired a new criminal attorney, ty cobb. megan: they have been looking for someone to come in for some time now to be the enforcer on this probe, figure out how they will react in terms of rapid response, as well as making sure people adhere to a similar storyline going forward. yo

. >> politics, donald trump and russia and trip adler when we continue. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: bank of america. life better connected. >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> good evening, charlie is away. i'm jonathan karl of abc news. we begin tonight with politics. president trouble has been on a state visit to france this week, but when he returns to washington, he'll find that russia is still dominating the news. and on thursday, senate republicans released the newest version of their bill to repeal and replace the affordable care act. joining me now, megan murphy. she's the editor of bloomberg businessweek, and from washington, mike allen, the co-founder of axios and the axios am newsletter. and yoni applebaum, senior editor for politics at the atlantic. wow, it's been a heck of a week. megan, i've heard the president before he left for translashing out deeply frustrated over the fact th

collusion between the trump campaign and russia. said these aoregon mill show there is no longer a question of whether this campaign sockesought to collude with a foreign power. joining me from washington is shannon, a correspondent for bloomberg news and ed o'keefe. he is a congressional reporter for "the washington post," and a contributor to cbs news. welcome to both of you. donald trump junior said he released these emails so he could be totally transparent, but it was only because the emails were about to be released by a newspaper. >> that is right. the "new york times" got these and he rushed them out. we appreciate the transparency in putting it out there, but it demonstrates the clearest links yet between officials in the russian government trying to talk to the trump campaign about potentially damaging information about hillary clinton. in the words of mark warner, all of the denials over the past year or so from trump and his sons, that there was no attempt to talk to rush about any of this are now cast aside by the proof that the president's son tweeted out today and sh

in russia. she was referred to as a russian government attorney and the emails laid out that this was on behalf of the russian government efforts to assist donald trump. ocks the legs out from underneath of the stool where they propped up the argument where they say they never met with anyone from the russian government or affiliated with that government or acting on behalf of the government. witchhunte cries of and all of the talk of russia trying to assist the president's andaign was a witchhunt there was nothing there, just a cockamamie scheme, this shows that they actually knew that the russian government was interested in trying to help the trump campaign. host: the president says that he has nothing to do with this. >> that is right. he praised the transparency of his child and said that he ,efers people to his counsel his criminal defense that he has hired. that donaldsaid trump was not aware of this, even though it took place just one floor below his office and that paul manafort and jared kushner, a senior advisor at the white house, was involved. he may not have been dir

and russia. we talk to do shannon pettypiece of bloomberg news and ed o'keefe of "the washington post." >> we have not heard much from the president today. his twitter feed has kind of been eeriely quiet. he was a bit quiet yesterday as well. and sarah huckabee saunders spokesperson to the deputy press secretary put out a statement from the president, a very short brief statement calling his, complimenting his son and saying i admire his transparency. i typically would expect the president is not one who is shy, obviously to lean into controversy when he's attacked, he fights back. of all people to be drug over the coals, his own son, his family is very important to him. >> we continue with charlie's conversation with the cast of the new production of george orwell's 1984. it is with reed birney, tom sturridge and olivia wilde. >> this is a play that speaks to our times and that's why it's really important we all experience it together. >> we conclude with the actor and comedian kumail nanjiani talked to charlie about the new film co-written by his wife, the big sick. >> why aren

revolution. reporter: they accuse the u.s. of humiliating russia are expanding nato to russian borders and supporting revolutions in former soviet states and satellites. he advocates by fighting back against the west with asymmetric war. you talk about introducing geopolitical disorder. actively supporting dissident movements. extremism, racism this seems , much more. >> exactly. we are supporting any kind of national, including russian. you are doing the same thing against us. >> nick schifrin joins me now. i am pleased to welcome him to the program. the first part of the program is how russians see vladimir putin versus how americans see vladimir putin. >> i think this goes to white russians, when the u.s. tax russia, russians see it as an attack on their identity. over the last 15 years, putin has brought relative stability to russia. anybody old enough to remember the 1990's will remember the economic and political chaos. that is the first step. the second step is re-creating russian traditions like the orthodox church, pre-soviet traditions, into a level of pride in shared religio

friendship with the president of russia and feel the need for reassurance. he gave what his staff wanted him to give them, a robust speech in the center of warsaw. very pro-polish, and he said russia needed to be confronted on destabilizing activity in ukraine and syria. by the end of the day, he had a press conference where he was not on script and seemed to get -- basically to give an entirely different message. he was asked again, do you believe russia meddled in the election last year and what would you do about it? he said i think it was russia, it could have been some other countries, nobody knows for sure. again, casting doubt on it. and attacking president obama for not doing more about it even though president trump is not sure it happened. and then he mentioned the iraq war intelligence fiasco. these mixed messages are an interesting product of his first day. susan: it is the full spectrum of donald trump. you have the obsessive, micromanaging partisan figure. and then this bombastic speech. i want to ask you about this speech. donald trump seems to have embraced the full on cl

president of russia and needed ria insurance and he gave what his staff wanted him to give which was a robust speech in the center of warsaw, very pro-polish and said russia need to be in a destabilizing campaign. then he seemed not on script and was going to give an entirely different message. he was asked if russia meddled in the election what would you do about it, he said, i think it was russia, could have been people from other countries, nobody knows for sure, once again casting doubt, and attacking president obama for not doing more about it even though president trump isn't sure it really happened, and then mentioning the whole iraq war intelligence fiasco to say who really knows with these intelligence agencies anyway. so these mixed messages are really a very interesting product of the first day. >> it's the full spectrum trump. you have donald trump in many ways, you know, the obsessive, micromanaging partisan figure, and then this very bombastic speech. i want to ask you about the speech. donald trump seems to have embraced the full-on clash of civilizations rhetoric in thi

russia, but it's unclear, for example, if there is going to be any discussion about the 2016 u.s. election. is president trump going to confront president putin about what the u.s. intelligence agencies have concluded which is that russia at the direction of putin intervened with the u.s. election last year with the explicit aim of helping elect donald trump. >> glor: julie, what are the risks to taking a meeting like this if there are no clear goals in mind necessarily that we know of? >> well, it's a very risky meeting. it's a meeting that president trump really has to have. this is the president of russia. it's actually quite late in the game even in the first year of a presidency for him to be meeting with vladimir putin, but if he goes in there without an agenda, which is what the white house sort of indicated when they briefed reporters about this trip and confirmed the meeting was happening, that is a huge risk for him and the united states because you can bet vladimir putin coming in with a big agenda of his own, including he wants to see the sanctions that have been impo

in our elections and the cyberattacks that russia has been carrying out in the united states. there is a desperate hope of a foreign-policy community in the u.s., from members of congress, that the president will take this opportunity to say to putin , as president obama said, knock it off. send a strong signal trying to interfere in our elections is not acceptable. we do not know the president will go that far and say that because he has shown hesitation about making a big issue about russian interference, and the feeling of those close to the president say he fears it will undermine his presidency be really eight knowledges that russians played a role in influencing elections. collusion aside, but with fake news and tweet bots, that sort of interference could delegitimize his presidency. alison: there has been reporting that president trump has tasked the national security council with bargaining chips, something to bring to the meeting to use. but with something like that be? shannon: one could be syria. there is this desire to try and strike a deal in syria, so if you go work ou

interference in our elections and the cyber hacking and attacks russia has been carrying out in the united states. there is a desperate hope from the foreign policy community in the u.s., from members of congress, that the president will take this opportunity to say to putin to knock it off, to send a clear signal trying to interfere in our elections is not acceptable. we do not know if the president is going to go that far and say that, because he has shown hesitation about making a big issue over russian interference in the election. the feeling of those close to the president is he is concerned it will undermine his presidency if he acknowledges russians played a role in influencing the election. collusion aside. just with fake news and tweet bots, that sort of interference by the russians could be enough to rattle or delegitimize his presidency. that is the concern. alison: there has been reporting president trump has tasked the national security council to come up with bargaining chips, something he can bring to the meeting to use. what would something like that be? shannon: on

to undermine the russia investigation by special counsel mueller. >> mr. simpson, i do vote to grandpa role when eligible. >> thank you. e next big storm in the pacific ocean, and i'm not making this up, will be hillary. >> the champion for the eighth time! >> so many fans tuned in to watch last night's premiere of "game of thrones" it crashed hbo's web site. >> give it up for new jersey governor christie liking a nice grab. >> bared handed and gets booed for the efforts. >> nice to see from the beach to the wall park. russia is banning -- 's consumer agency says it will investigate gidget spinners after they say the toys could be an american plot to zombie-fy young russians. >> there goes russian's reputation as count. >> glor: this weekend is a sixth month anniversary of donald trump's inauguration marked by appointment of neil gorsuch to the supreme court and many frustrations. at the top of the list the president's growing concern over the russia probes. shannon pettypiece joinings me, covers the white house for "bloomberg news." and in washington dan balz, chief correspond

! you can get it right now! >> president trump's relationship with russia are again in the news this week. the trump family often has said contradictory things about the trump organization's business ties to russia. here's what dwrump told nbc's lester holt in may. >> i built a great company, but i'm not involved with russia. i have had dealings over the years where i sold a house to a very wealthy russian many years ago. i had the miss universe pageant which i owned for quite a while. i had it in moscow a long time ago. other than that, i have nothing to do with russia. >> but back in 2008, donald trump, jr. told a real estate conference that "russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets." and he added, "we see a lot of money pouring in from russia." as craig unger reports in this months' issue of "the new republic" the money has been pouring in for better part of three decades and some from questionable sources. story called trump's russian laundromat. welcome, craig. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. fascinating, heavily research st

on tuesday of a missile capable of reaching alaska. what would that response look like? russia and china resisting further sanctions and the president is threatening to go it alone. that might include a military option. graham allison served as the defense official in both reagan and clinton administrations he's currently a professor of government at harvard >> i would be not quite so quick to discount the military option. i think that trump is new to the party. he tweeted from the first time he heard of this, not going to happen. and there's no question the u.s. can conduct a limited attack on the missile launching sites and prevent further test to go of icbms. i don't believe that's off the table even though i agree that it has highly uncertainly consequences. >> glor: there's a whole list of different military options one of the complicating factors is that north korea is pretty good at moving all the stuff around. >> i think the main thing is that this is a chester game in which they get to move as well. it's very limited attack would attack a launch site. and would prevent any