gop and just doing it off of some spite or to send a message, look, deb fischer from nebraska, john barrasso, these are not fare thee well conservatives. these are rock-ribbed conservatives, so why are you opposing them? and simply throwing the word "establishment" out, the problem here is that you end up forcing these people, these incumbents to spend a lot of money to fend off potential primary candidates. that's money the republicans cannot use to go out and beat the democrats they need to beet out there. ashley: right. so the republicans turning on the republicans, but you could argue on the senate side there are several different republican parties. >> yeah. and by the way, it's always a lot easier to turn around and shoot into your own trenches -- ashley: true, true. >> -- than it is to go out and actually win some of these races. look, we'll see what kind of candidates he puts forward and backs. the republicans have been through this before, and it's why they didn't take over the senate in 2012 and 2010. ashley: right. >> they decided they were going to have all of these prim