i would say the same thing about deb fischer, roger wicker. this is really about do you want to play within the system or do you think the system needs to be broken down and rebuilt in a different way. that's the bannon argument. it's not moderate versus conservative. >> just one final point op this, what role do you think the president plays when the primaries start kicking up? we saw the rnc doesn't get involved with primaries but when it comes to what happened in alabama, donald trump was on the losing side of that. that did not sit well with him, we know that. >> right. >> what happens coming up? >> and that's the big question, right. he was on the wrong side of that race in alabama, in some ways has been fuming ever since then, and that was a mitch mcconnell idea to have him play in that race. >> right. >> vesshe will have to figure o does he try to play in mississippi if there is a primary challenge, does he try to play in any of these other states. baraso, if there's a serious primary challenge against deb fischer. seems like it would b

to spend as much money as possible to defend even the potentially probably safest republican seats, deb fischer in nebraska, john ba ross, so in wyoming, so he wants to expand the field in order to, you know, sort of scramble it a little bit but maybe more importantly, to have a nationalized consolidated message. it's us versus them. they're corrupt, they got the money, we don't have the money, we have the sort of grassroots, about the populist, trying to do that on a national scale as opposed to trying to pick a republican off here and there. >> so he's been meeting with really rich donors in new york city and other states, the mercer family, who is huge for for this president, got a big chunk of money from them, one of these attempts, the idea, choke off the funding from mitch mcconnell. but what's to say it will be successself in. >> it might not. it might not. this is sort of the second part of the strategy, like you said, to try to choke funding for the establishment republicans. we are told that he, bannon, met over the weekend in connecticut with a series of donors who traditiona