david frost, the eu negotiator, his red binder on the plane with my own eyes. they have been talking about things, and they feel that what needs to happen, what they hope to be on the way, is a kind of big political show of from leo varadkar or from angela merkel or from emmanuel macron, to say, all right, we're actually going to talk properly now. and it's a political choice to try, and i think there's been frustration on the uk side. but they haven't been blameless, but there is a frustration that up until now they have sort of been banging their head against a brick wall. the sense is some of the bricks have become a bit loose. and what has been really surprising on brexitcast over the last couple of years is how often, when we have been having these conversations, the interpretation when it is seen and read in london of the same thing can be interpreted very differently where you are. laura was talking about the david frost red binders that you can see on the plane, and yet sometimes the language coming out of brussels has sounded like — what red binders? there aren't any. so i

conversations. i have seen david frost's read binders on the plane with my own eyes. they have been talking about things and they feel that one needs to happen, what they hope might be on the way, is a kind of big political shall from leo varadkar or angela merkel or emmanuel macron and say, we are actually going to talk properly now. because time is really short and it isa because time is really short and it is a political choice to try, and i think there's been frustration on the uk side — not that they've been blameless — but there's been a frustration they have been, up until now, banging her head against the wall. what has been really striking under exit cast, when we are having these conversations, the interpretation as it is seen and read in london of the same thing can be interpreted different he where you are. laura was talking about david frost read binders you can see on the plane, and yet sometimes the leg was coming out of brussels sounding like what read binders, there aren't any. there is the show in the theatre and then there is stuff happening behind the scenes.

prime minister's europe adviser, david frost, goes to brussels. he and i were on the same train yesterday, he was not pleased about that. did you speak to him? i did, and he ran away. oh, no! david, if you're listening, you may as well start talking to adam now, or else he is going to follow you until you speak to him. you won't be able to get a coffee or a sandwich. and you know who else knows what it's like being followed by me? michel barnier himself, the eu's chief brexit negotiator. and ifinally wore him down and got him to be super nice to us. because you have spent an eternity chasing him around. two years, yeah, and this is where it got us. listen to this. is there any progress? do you want to tell us what's going on? i am very impressed. hello. good to see you. brexitcast tv tonight, huh? bbc one, 11:35. will you be watching? always. always interesting. always many things to learn. there are smooth diplomat talks! was that the best day of your life? if katy perry had said that to me, that would be the best day. your beam is still quite large. but to make it less about m