i mean, not only is scotland a very cultural place which gave the world sherlock holmes -- robert louis stevenson, and -- >> the kilt. >> the scottish people were very insulted by the london attitude of the bbc toward -- >> the elitism of it. >> that's all it is. some of that. >> david brooks is an elite in the republican party, like the intellectual type of -- charles krauthammer and those guys. >> they don't like her. >> they don't like her. >> wait a minute, charles krauthammer doesn't like her? >> only bill kristol likes -- >> bill kristol likes her. >> you're absolutely, right, though. it's a difference between the elites of the republican party and the grassroots of the republican base. so david -- i'm just not sure david is right that these republican primary voters wouldn't vote for a talk show host if that talk show host had their values and that's the most important thing. any voter does, that's what they vote on, does this person share their values? >> the base does not give you the middle of the country, does not give you the independents. >> that's a big problem. >> listen