-pakistan relationship. we are vagary grateful to carnegie for this excellent program and their support. north waziristan, it evokes all kinds of memories, particularly in the last few years. this was the campaign that never came about that led to a break between the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and -- [indiscernible] this was something that people expected because it was something the allies wanted the polling -- the pakistan allies to undertake him even as they operated in the tribal areas. north waziristan was spared a major operation. over the years, many deals were made and were broken. but the key ingredient in this was the presence of the apollo group which were reported to be seeking sanctuary in north waziristan, using it as operations innch afghanistan. so this was a bonus contention and betweenanistan united states and pakistan and became famous among other things for repeated road attacks and the frequency of the drone attacks would be something that would eat remarked upon regula

-pakistan relationship. we have been grateful to carnegie for this excellent row graham and the support -- program and their support. evokes allristan kinds of memories, particularly the last few years. this is the campaign that never came about. theed to a break region chief of staffs and the then army chief. this was a campaign that people expect it because it was something that the united states and its allies wanted very much for warziristan to undertake even as they operated in other parts in the area. north warziristan was somehow spared a major operation hear it over the years, many deals were made and were broken, but the key ingredient in this was the about and --he how who are seeking sanctuary. this was a topic of tension. they became famous among other things for repeated drone attack us and the frequency of the attacks would be something that would be remarked upon regularly . months, it was quite clear that the pakistan and taliban were not taking the offensive. there were attacks, including th

they will be under pressure either pakistan army. ofthere any possibility applying the doctrine of necessity that they might start working together, taking both sides as a common enemy? back whoose in the couldn't hear the doctor. there are 2.2 is making. in his own visit to pakistan he saw a great convergence among all the military people that he the aims of this exercise. the question was, is a possibility of the afghan and pakistani taliban joining hands. >> i think early this year the pakistan army intercepted several sources. there is a delay. this was a message. at that point, it became a nightmarish possibility. was after the post-2014 drawdown. i have no doubt in my mind that whatever the differences are, at the end of the day, they are one thus far as ideology is concerned. the second part, which is that you said that the afghan taliban will be under pressure from the afghan forces. i think it is the other way around. the forces will be under pressure from the taliban. having eliminated this last stronghold, we have done a t

-pakistan relationship. we have been grateful to carnegie for this excellent row graham and the support -- program and their support. evokes allristan kinds of memories, particularly the last few years. this is the campaign that never came about. theed to a break region chief of staffs and the then army chief. this was a campaign that people expect it because it was something that the united states and its allies wanted very much for warziristan to undertake even as they operated in other parts in the area. north warziristan was somehow spared a major operation hear it over the years, many deals were made and were broken, but the key ingredient in this was the about and --he how who are seeking sanctuary. this was a topic of tension. they became famous among other things for repeated drone attack us and the frequency of the attacks would be something that would be remarked upon regularly . months, it was quite clear that the pakistan and taliban were not taking the offensive. there were attacks, including th

what was your dad doing in pakistan? >> my dad was working on projects with local industries in pakistan, helping them to improve, to produce more, and to -- that their goods would have more value in the global economy. so he was working with people on the ground. he would be at those projects, traveling all over the country to those projects all the time. he was just zooming back and forth. all the people that worked with him remarked on what incredible energy he had and how he just worked all day and late into the night. he was so passionate and devoted to his work. he cared so much about helping these industries to improve and to creating more opportunities for everyday people in pakistan. >> jennifer, we were just looking at some pictures of your dad holding a baby. and there is a beautiful little baby on his shoulders. i can only imagine what it's like for him to be missing out on all of these family milestones. >> it's been really difficult for us and as a family and for my kids. to try to explain to them why he is

pakistan, we haven't heard much bout them lately either. pakistan is a country with a nuclear arsenal of more than 100 million nuclear weapons. we know some of these groups like al qaeda would like to get their hands on some of those nuclear weapons and there has been some concern about their arsenal. i am not in the circles where they are talking about these things but i know there has been tremendous amount of concern in the last thing we want to see is have al qaeda or anyone else get their hands on a nuclear weapon. frank covered this stuff but i think the al qaeda or offshoot of them or affiliate, that threat is growing. i talked about al qaeda in the arabian peninsula in yemen. up until isis gained prominence, i would say that they were the most dangerous roup we faced. i mentioned some other plots -- the underwear plot, the printer cartridges, they have the best bomb maker. we have libya, tunisia. nd they were responsible for what happened in benghazi. igeria, we heard about them in the terrible kidnapping of these young schoolgirls.

pakistan is a different kettle of fish. we have a diplomatic relationship with pakistan but not with syria. how does that change the metric? >> to correct something we were very involved inside pakistan for a number of years because we have a relationship with that country both military and political. the same is true of iraq. we -- the united states has been invited to support the iraqi government and is doing so. syria is no it a permissive environment and the key difference is that the assad government is not part of the solution, it's part of the problem. it's part of what has enabled isis to grow to the force, you know, that it is. but, you know, whatever we decide to do is based on that definition of the mission, the most discrete thing would be to go after those responsible for the death of james foley much like going after osama bin laden. but what the president is wrestling with is you have multiple conflicts and adversaries, the assad regime, isis and hezbollah and others. and the second is can you take effective

that pakistan has training centers for extremists? we've talked about this again before, too, this is a come comd relationship. we believe there is a common damage and threat faced by both countries and by afghanistan as well and that's extremists in the sanctuary and it's a common threat. we don't always see eye-to-eye on how to address it. and that remains to be the case today. what's different today, we have better vehicles for dialogue with the pakistani military that we enjoy and will continue to improve. >> regarding the interception, your counterpart spokesperson stressed that it was international air space, that the chinese government, the defense ministry mentioned that the mission of that flight was in tracking chinese submarines and other military activities. so in order to view a veteran to veteran military operations, that the u.s. has to reduce this number of flights and -- or stop even. and also from the pentagon's perspective, the two leaders of the two countries are calling for a better military to military relationsh

, one, are you watching situation right now what's happening in pakistan? and, second, do you still believe they have still training centers or -- for the terrorists, which they used to have before? >> who has training centers? pakistan has training centers for extremists. >> do you believe they still have? >> i've talked about this again, too, before, but it's a complicated relationship, right? and we want to continue to work with pakistan to deal with what we believe is a common challenge and a common threat faced by both our countries and by afghanistan, as well. and that's extremists and the safe haven and the sanctuary that they continue to enjoy in pakistan, but the pakistani military has taken action against some of those extremist threats inside their own country. they've conducted operations not too long ago, just this summer. and it's important to remind everybody that they, too, have taken casualties in that fight, so it's a common threat. we don't always see eye-to-eye on how to address it. that's -- that remains to be the case today. but what's

i had a colleague who was thrown out of pakistan last year, and i was chased out of there a few years ago when i was at the "journal," less officially. one thing that makes it hard there is the level of mistrust and conspiracy theory among the pakistan public that when the news media or government officials call you a spy, it can be harder to recover from that and work safely in pakistan again. in afghanistan, that has not been the case. i think they call this evil -- the evil "new york times," they called me a spy in gauged in espionage. the reaction as far as we can tell has mostly been scorn. it is like on social media, it is split between crazies on either side. that is probably a good sign. i will probably work there safely again. look, i would love to go back. after six years there, to be missing this kind of final event drives you nuts. but we will see what happens. i will take the candidates at their word now. >> any regrets about the articles? >> no, not at all, not one bit. it is a bit of a bummer to be thrown out of the country for a story that ran on page a7, but it happen

. >>> coming up, also, the calls growing louder for pakistan's prime minister to step down. find out who's leading that charge. ♪ you treat every minute like it's a chance to do something. so you're always moving. constantly searching for the next opportunity to make the most of what life has to offer. your time is valuable. so you reach for something better. fewer calories. fewer carbs. more to experience. michelob ultra. the superior light beer. >>> welcome back. in northern nigeria, villagers are reporting another mass kid dmaping by boca haram. >> they say militia captured 9700 young men and boys in a raid of a fishing village. 28 people were killed reportedly, 25 wounded. dozens of homes burned. >> the raid happened on monday but the news is only getting out now because boca haram destroyed local cell phone towers in previous raids. more than 200 school girls were kidnapped in april and still missing. >> in pakistan, thousands taking part in a rally to demand the prime minister stand down. it was led by two of the opposition's biggest figures. khan called on prime min

>> in many ways what he did in pakistan is with the implicit understanding of the pakistan government. the syrians have been insistent even though they would like to jointly go after the targets no, unilateral action on the part of the americans would be permitted by the regime. >> wouldn't the assad regime be thrilled if the united states came and helped them in destroying their number one enemy which happens to be isis. >> yes, they would be. adding to general kim met's point, i mean, the authorization for the use of military force was what allowed the opportunities do what it did in pakistan and yemen because it was forces allied to al qaeda that are allowed to be hit under that authorization. isis is a slightly different matter. they divorce themselves from al qaeda. >> what you're saying if they launch air strikes in syria, that's an act of war that requires norrization from congress and maybe from the u.n. security council? >> at an absolute minimum for congress. >> do you agree? >> i do. >> in other words is, the president's not going to order strikes unless he gets resolutions

every polio virus is either in nigeria or in pakistan. we can study their whole genome and figure out which is which. nigeria has made tremendous progress in the past 18 months. part of the reason is a great coalition, the state government, the gates foundation. world health organization. we have created programs like it and other countries. and the program in nigeria started about five years ago and were started by a graduate of the canyon programs. it is a great example of self learning. that program is getting the best and brightest and i met with them a couple years ago. you all know people that talk about smallpox eradication because it was the most meaningful moment of their career and they are proud of it. polio will be your smallpox. we turned loose the class and we tripled the class size. go work on polio. they ultimately went to more than 100 communities. every month they would go into a specific investigation control measure, come back a month later, and within a few months, they had dramatically improved vaccination rates. it

i traveled with them to india and pakistan. while i was in pakistan in quetta, i had a meeting, a chance encounter with the taliban. i was just walking the local neighborhood with a local fixer so to speak. and i came upon this group of about seven or eight guys. and i sought to convey to them our views with the group, which is to bring about change in the world, you have to be more observant. but they held aloft their ak-47s and they said, no, this is the way you bring about change. so when i got back from pakistan in 1995, in september, they had taken over afghanistan. and i took that as a validation of their world view. look, indeed, change had come. and it could only be achieved through violence. and so that's the political violence aspect. but then you take it to an even greater degree. now, now, how do you select an outgroup to dehumanize that group and so after i got involved with another group of people who were politically violent or had politically violent views, now you start to tack on the ideological or the ideolog

the pakistan has training centers for extremist -- >> do you believe they still have it? >> it's a complicated relationship and we want to continue to work with pakistan to deal with what we believe is a common challenge and a common threat faced by both our countries. and by afghanistan as well. and that's extremist and the safe haven in the sanctuary that they continue to join but the pakistani military has taken actions. they've conducted operations not too long. it's just this summer. and it's important to remind everybody that they have taken casualties in that fight. so it's a common threat. we don't always see eye-to-eye on how to address it. that remains to be the case today. but what's different today is we have better vehicles for dialogues and cooperations for the pakistani military that we continue to enjoy and want to continue to improve. >> thank you. >> regarding the interception that your counterparts spokesperson did respond and while the u.s. stress that the p.a. was an international air space that the chinese government the defense ministry mentioned th

pakistan, india, china, russia have it. what is going to happen with the regime? ali said helsinki, human rights. how realistic is it that we have free and fair elections in iran? if you have a democratic government then you can negotiate because democracies do not go to war with each other and talks. >> ali, want to respond? >> thank you. your country has gone through very harsh his circle times, just like ours. you have experienced even greater harshness then our country has in many ways. most unfortunately, many of the intellectuals in my country draw the wrong lessons from what happened in central and eastern europe. many of them still live in a world of utopia. those who are in power right now, they believe the establishment and continuation of an islamist ideological regime in power. some parts of the opposition are misleading them in deceiving them so that there would be some kind of communist utopia at the end of the rainbow where iranians can find peace and prosperity. this is very unfortunate. ideological experiences in your part of the world show this i

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the history of pakistan where u.s. strikes and some tribal areas caused population resentment particularly the signature strikes with suspicious activity. it's going to be difficult for the u.s. to do this effectively, but isis is on the march against the syrian regime and the rebels the u.s. would like to support. a degree of urgency. they determined in their mind what many thought presented a threat to the united states, too. >> it puts the united states in an uncomfortable position where it is supporting or allowing al assad to remain. i mean that's been the difficult position the u.s. is in. >> reporter: since the start, there's been reluctant to push too hard against the assad regime. if it did fall n 2012, there were moderate syrian rebels there. potentially they may have found it amongst themselves to form a rival government. they fractured and bickering in istanbul rather than getting on the job to replace bashar. isis attacked the syrian moderate rebels. now they are on their back, almost potentially facing a

pakistan as well. it is important that we remain engaged in the region, in afghanistan and pakistan, to keep this terror spread under control. host: karen from florida, independent line. caller: hello. the reason why 9/11 happened is because of american imperialism, our aggravation of these people that live in the middle east who want nothing to do with us. a lot of times, they claim that they attack us because we are free or because they do not agree with our culture or women do not wear burqas. it is a bunch of b.s. we going to those countries and exploit them of their resources. that causes them all sorts of trouble, so they want to react. there are plenty of countries where people are free and democracies that these so-called terrorists do not attack. these attacks do not happen. how do you explain that there are all of these countries that are democratic or free and the so-called terrorists do not attack them? why did they target us? host: countries like what? caller: there are plenty around the w

every polio virus is either in nigeria or in pakistan. we can study their whole genome and figure out which is which. nigeria has made tremendous progress in the past 18 months. part of the reason is a great government,he state the gates foundation. world health organization. programs like it and other countries. and the program in nigeria started about five years ago and were started by a graduate of the canyon programs. it is a great example of self learning. that program is getting the best and brightest and i met with them a couple years ago. all know people that talk about smallpox eradication because it was the most meaningful moment of their career and they are proud of it. polio will be your smallpox. class and wese the tripled the class size. go work on polio. they ultimately went to more than 100 communities. aery month they would go into specific investigation control measure, come back a month months,nd within a few they had dramatically improved vaccination rates. it was one of many different things it had been used so far th

i had a colleague who was thrown out of pakistan last year, and i was chased out of there a few years ago when i was at the "journal," less officially. my colleague who was thrown out of pakistan, one thing that makes it hard there is the level of mistrust and conspiracy theory among the pakistani public that when the news media or government officials call you a spy, it can be harder to recover from that and work safely in pakistan again. in afghanistan, that has not been the case. the palace, i think they call it evil -- the evil "new york times," they called me a spy in and said i was engaged in espionage. the reaction as far as we can tell has mostly been scorn. it is like on social media, it is split between crazies on either side. 98% of the people were mocking the palace and 2% were repeating it. that is probably a good sign. i will probably work there safely again. look, i would love to go back. after six years there, to be missing this kind of final event drives you nuts. but we will see what happens. >> any regrets about the article? >> not one bit. it's a bummer to get thro

and i had a chance encounter with the taliban in 1995 in pakistan. that sent me down the road of jihadi thinking until the 9/11 attacks which made me reconsider my views. >> how did you have a chance encounter with the taliban? >> so it's -- i was with a local group that proselytizes to muslims and tells them in order to bring about change in the world you have to be more ritually observant. with this group, i was just going, walking around a local area, and came upon about seven or eight of them sitting in an area with their ak-47s. so i went over to them, altruistic. i didn't know who they were. and i said the same thing. look, this is how you bring about change. and they said to me well, thanks, but the way to bring about change is with this. and he held aloft his ak-47. so that kind of made me think hmm. and then when i got back in 1995, they had taken over the country. and i took that as a validation of their world view. >> i'm just trying to figure out what makes you prone to do that. because that could happen to a number of people, and they wo

pakistan. we had the taliban, we had al qaeda and afghanistan. al qaeda moved into pakistan in the winter of 2002, embedded itself in '02, '03 in the travel areas of pakistan. the past 11 years, we've been locking and loading with drones and no boots on the ground in pakistan. i was listening to what barbara starr said. i guarantee already there are task forces at the pentagon and cia who already have targets sets in syria and are watching through intelligence the flow of fighters coming across the border. that target set exists already. the last thing i'd say, i'll bet you a paycheck that the decision to go in has already been made. they're just setting us up for it. >> fran, do you think that as well? you've been in these rooms as well. >> no, absolutely. and by the way, just because you may not have u.s. boots on the ground or u.s. targetieres on the ground, you've been working with your foreign intelligence committees, there are people on the ground that you can trust, you can train, and th

pakistan civil government and institutions in the military can get together and carve out a national strategy this is not going to end well. optimistic note, i want to thank you for coming. [applause] >> from the western concert of summit, we will hear from tim scott and mike coffman and ralph reed and a panel on the tea party's influence on the republican party. >> republican senator tim scott address the western conservative summit in mid july. he talked about school choice and the economy. he is running in the 2014 special elections to compete -- to complete a term of jim demint. he is introduced by mike coffman. theevent is hosted ay christian university. this is 30 minutes. >> thank you. today,ow conservatives as many of you know, i am the number one target for the democratic companion congressional committee nationally. they are going to find out data marineon a united states corps combat veteran will be a lot tougher than anybody ever thought. me toan honor for introduce a former colleague of scott is the tim epitome of conservative values and principles. he grew up poor in a

but from our side, that's part of the objective of the taliban and the -- hair supporters in pakistan, their enablers. and that is to lower the support for afghanistan and for standing up in afghan state and helping it to survive in the united states. >> ambassador thompson, thank you so much for your time. appreciate it. could up, predicting vladimir putin's next move is like trying to figure out what to do if a russian chessmaster follows up? why are his troops building along the ukrainian border. and the second american with ebola arrives in atlanta for treatment. unlike her colleague, she was not able to walk into the hospital on her own. dr. san jail gupta has details be ob her condition coming up. and thank you for your bravery. thank you colonel. thank you daddy. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance can be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. then boom... what happened? stress, fun, bad habits kids, now wh

and pakistan. i think you would find it very helpful in answering your questions. >> thank you very much. ideasdea about marshaling . >> i'm going to ask you to go very quickly because we are running out of time. the first issue has been um.ked about ad nausea hi one of the differences between the decision-making -- >> again, please. >> how do we define what our priorities are? [indiscernible] terrorism, continuing our support for our allies and the free flow of oil. brian, i will ask you to start off with this and keep it as concise as possible. >> it is a tough question with nonstate actors. some of these people, you cannot deal with them. you just have to go after them and kill them. you need to till their ideas, that is the most important and. whatever we've done over the last 10 or 12 years, we have done a much better job of targeting these individuals, but going back to the battle of , it's why we are still in this state after everything president bush and president obama did. the problem is

governor perry talked earlier about historic record highs of people from afghanistan, syria, and pakistan, coming across the mexican-texas border. are there historic highs, is that true, and if so, is there any reason to believe that these are people who would do us harm, that these are, in fact, terrorist-bound folks? >> well, again, the chairman of the intelligence committee, we noticed a very dangerous trend a few years ago when the iranian quds force, their external terrorist group, if you will, supported by the country of iran, was planning an operation to use the southern border to infiltrate people into the united states to kill the saudi ambassador. so clearly our enemies and our adversaries understand that it is a weakness. we have seen a trend of countries that we are very concerned about, a rise in individuals being apprehended at the border. the scary part about that is those are just the ones that get apprehended. so a porous southern border is now on the advertising list for those who want to do nefarious activities entering the united states. everything from criminal activi

by targeting that individual, they intercepted an e-mail between the individual and pakistan. because of that intercept, because of that collection, nsa identified that individual in colorado, shared that information with the fbi. the fbi instigated an investigation. the person was days from traveling to new york, was eventually arrested by the fbi while he was on his way to blow up the new york subway. the nsa and the fbi used 215 to corroborate the identity of an accomplice. it was a plot that was real, it was not aspirational, and it was stopped because of nsa and because of these programs. the third thing i want to say is -- i will talk on this a little -- is the impact of the disclosures. the bottom line is the documents stolen from nsa and disclosed have had an extremely damaging impact on the ability to collect information. we have lost the ability to intercept to of key terrorist operatives and leaders. we know these groups monitor the press. they are suspicious of our ability to collect data. it is not news to them that the nsa and the united states government and int

pakistan, we haven't heard much about them lately either. pakistan is a country with a nuclear arsenal of more than 100 million nuclear weapons. we know some of these groups like al qaeda would like to get their hands on some of those nuclear weapons and there has been some concern about their arsenal. i am not in the circles where they are talking about these things but i know there has been tremendous amount of concern in the last thing we want to see is have al qaeda or anyone else get their hands on a nuclear weapon. stuff but id this think the al qaeda or offshoot thatem or affiliate, threat is growing. i talked about al qaeda in the arabian peninsula in yemen. gained prominence, i would say that they were the most dangerous group we faced. i mentioned some other plots -- the underwear plot, the printer cartridges, they have the best maker -- bomb maker. we have out. -- we havenisia howled urea, libya, tunisia. and they were responsible for what happened in benghazi. we heard about them in the terrible kidnapping of these young schoolgi

and then yet, at the same time, he would back pakistan. nixon was a huge admirer of the country of pakistan, and that was a proxy state of china, and they were fighting india, and nixon could not stand the country of india, because they were close to the soviets. nixon hates russia, not china, and he wants to outfox the soviets every step of the way. he says very many ugly things about the russians in the book, you know, that unlike the chinese, they slobber over celebrities and that they're basically a mob and you can't do business with them. the chinese, he felt, were honorable people that he could do business with. he was surprised he never felt the chinese broke a promise hat they were making with him. today he's very loved in china f. you're a businessperson doing business in china, they'll give you a nixon walking tour and show you the sights he saw in 1972. here in the united states, nixon ranked, because of watergate, at the very bottom rung of american presidents. host: jack in north providence, rhode island, thanks for holding on

drone strikes in pakistan and yemen have killed dozens of civilians there. is there any weapon out there that can accurately pinpoint an enemy? >> well, you know, a weapon is only as good as the people guiding it. and a weapon has a certain lethality to it. when you fire into a car, you're going to take out more than the car. you're going take out something like 100 meters. the united states has developed a smaller weapon that we use in urban combat. well developed this for iraq where you can drop an area weapon that destroys a house rather than a city block. i don't know if the israelis have that technology. but that's certainly something we could be using in gaza. >> so you think this is going to happen? >> i think hamas has been beaten up pretty badly, and they don't hold very many cards right now. that's the only reason they're agreeing to this. the israelis feel that they have achieved much of their objective. and the fact that the israelis are allowed to still go after these tunnels during a truce tells me that hamas is really under the gun. >> and the

and pakistan, and i think you'll find a very helpful in answering your question. >> thanks. here, if you could hold on for one second, there's the microphone. >> thank you very much. i would love to talk more about this idea you were talking about -- >> am going to ask you to go very quickly in the interest of time. >> the first being the issue of the nonstate actor. it has been talked about ad nauseam, but i'm still not convinced we have a clear idea of how we strategic we engage with nonstate actors. one of the differences, i think, between the decision-making of the airstrikes -- >> again, please. >> the sort of semi-state actor status. the second thing is how we andne what our priorities interests are. i could not help but notice that the list you gave was the mostly negative -- i don't know that i disagree with it, but countering terrorism, preventing a nuclear iran, continuing our support for flow ofes, and the free oil, as opposed to thinking about what we want it to look like -- >> ok, thanks. brian, i'm going to ask you to start off with this, and i'm going to ask y

. >>> two more people were killed between clashes with police and protesters in pakistan. protesters who have been demonstrating for two weeks say the last election was rigged and they want him to step down. he has refused. >>> breaking overnight here in the u.s. a 3.4 magnitude earthquake rattled homes about five miles southwest of napa, california. this happened about 5:00 a.m. eastern. we have gotten reports thankfully no damage. no injuries so far. but this was a minor quake that comes, as you know, a week to the day. it was a week ago today i was sitting here talking to you all through the camera with a magnitude of 6.0 that hit a mile away causing a dozen of injuries and a billion dollars in property damage. >>> let's talk about what happened in oregon because this is such a frightening scenario. >> especially for all the families that are going to the beach or are at the beach this weekend. listen to this story. a 9-year-old girl was killed when a hole she was digging caved in. this was on lincoln city beach. she was playing with her siblings when this accidents hap

a spy, it can be harder to recover from that and work safely in pakistan again. in afghanistan, that has not been the case. i think they call this evil -- the evil "new york times," they called me a spy in gauged in espionage. the reaction as far as we can tell has mostly been scorn. it is like on social media, it is split between crazies on either side. that is probably a good sign. i will probably work there safely again. look, i would love to go back. after six years there, to be missing this kind of final event drives you nuts. but we will see what happens. i will take the candidates at their word now. >> any regrets about the articles? >> no, not at all, not one bit. it is a bit of a bummer to be thrown out of the country for a story that ran on page a7, but it happens. matthew, we are very grateful for you taking the time. you could well be resting at home with your family, but you chose to, down here. we're very appreciative. we have a tradition where we honor guests, distinguished guests, the traditional national press club mug. i believe president karzai

is engaged in at least two possibly three undeclared relatively secret wars in pakistan where it is running extensive drone operations. in yemen and some could make the case for parts of africa, too. these are dangerous missions that have large applications for those countries, large implications for foreign policy in the united states, and they were embarked upon with no debate. there was no debate in congress, no discussion about how the u.s. should manage a war in yemen. it's our job to find out what's going on in yemen. it's more important than ever that we find out what's going on in places like yemen to the country can have its own debate even if government chooses not to have it. >> it seems like we've reached a point where national security concerns whether they exist or not trumps the first amendment. in many cases, the first amendment does not even part of the conversation. unless we are talking about it amongst ourselves. >> right. >> i want to move onto a story that really struck me as well. ap gets the scoop in may 2012 about terrorist in yemen wanting to blow up a plane using

part of it of course is infiltration by the taliban with their allies in pakistan, pulling strings. part of it is just how complicated war can be. it's a very obviously difficult situation. and people's opinions of the united states and the coalition forces change based on things that happen in their own lives. the army as jim mentioned, this is something they have taken very seriously. there was a peak of 61 deaths. it was 15% of all u.s. casualties in afghanistan in 2012. 15% of them were from green on blue events. now that's been reduced significantly. but it can't be eliminated entirely, alisyn. >> yeah, of course. i understand. and i mean, there must be some soul-searches in the army today of how to do things differently? >> yeah. i mean, locke, they do a lot of vetting and this is the west point of afghanistan. this is where officers were being trained. obviously they're going to redouble their efforts when it comes to vetting people. and they may have more, take more seriously. there was something they did in 2012. they started a process called guardian angels when u.s. soldi

pakistan as well. it is important that we remain engaged in the region, in afghanistan and pakistan, to keep this terror spread under control. host: karen from florida some independent line. caller: hello. the reason why 9/11 happened is because of american imperialism, our aggravation of these people that live in the middle east and want nothing to do with us. that of times, they claim they attack us because we are free or because they do not agree with our culture or women do not wear burqas. it is a bunch of b.s. we going to those countries and exploit them of their resources. that causes him all sorts of trouble, so they want to react. there are plenty of countries where people are free and democracy is -- these attacks do not happen. how do you explain that they're all of these countries that are democratic or free and is the so-called terrorists do not atat tack them? why did they target us? host: countries like what? caller: there are plenty around the world to do not get attacked, japan is one

two people have been killed more than 150 hurt in clashes between protesters and police in pakistan. police fired tear gas as the crowd threatened to march to the prime minister's home. the protesters who have demonstrate forward two weeks say the last election was rigged and they want sharif to step down. >> also in the u.s. 3.4 earthquake rattled homes about five miles southwest of napa, california. it happened just before 5:00 a.m. eastern. we have no reports fortunately of damage or injuries but remember, this minor quake is coming just a week to the day after we were all sitting here last week at this time talking about an earthquake with a magnitude of 6.0 in that same area. that caused dozens of injuries and a billion dollars in property damage. >> the nfl's first openly gay player is out of a job. michael sam waived by the team days before the start of the season. >> also, fans are waiting to hear if joan rivers is getting better. she is still in the hospital this morning, we have details on how she is doing and we'll share that with you next. she's still the one for you. and

folks would explain it was they knew that the authorities were onto them if they kept traveling to pakistan, so they go there, they come back and have the same street credits to their audiences. so we got to make this stuff not cruel, it awful, people die. yet there's this cool factor that's triggering some of this in their twisted little world. so bottom line is with the brits, i have every bit of confidence what they can do they will bring to the fight. and they've actually been, other than russia i'd like to see them get stronger on some of the russian investment this their own country. but i think they've been a good partner, and in terms of countertism issues, am optimistic that our relationship with france is strong. us do we know everyone who has gone overseas? did we mow the numbers until we tarted seeing some of them on the battlefield? probably not. >> thank you. >> thanks, frank for an excellent presentation. basically two questions. first has to do with the efficacy of counterterrorism measures, whether it's squeezing the reach donors in the gulf states for financing terrorism a

and then yet, at the same time, he would back pakistan. nixon was a huge admirer of the country of pakistan, and that was a proxy state of china, and they were fighting india, and nixon could not stand the country of india, because they were close to the soviets. nixon hates russia, not china, and he wants to outfox the soviets every step of the way. he says very many ugly things about the russians in the book, you know, that unlike the chinese, they slobber over celebrities and that they're basically a mob and you can't do business with them. the chinese, he felt, were honorable people that he could do business with. he was surprised he never felt the chinese broke a promise hat they were making with him. today he's very loved in china f. you're a businessperson doing business in china, they'll give you a nixon walking tour and show you the sights he saw in 1972. here in the united states, nixon ranked, because of watergate, at the very bottom rung of american presidents. host: jack in north providence, rhode island, thanks for holding on

pakistan, india, china, russia have it. what is going to happen with the regime? ali said helsinki, human rights. how realistic is it that we have free and fair elections in iran? if you have a democratic government then you can negotiate because democracies do not go to war with each other and talks. >> ali, want to respond? >> thank you. mr. ambassador your country has , gone through very harsh his circle times, just like ours. -- historical times, just like ours. you have experienced even greater harshness then our country has in many ways. most unfortunately, many of the intellectuals in my country draw the wrong lessons from what happened in central and eastern europe. many of them still live in a world of utopia. those who are in power right now, they believe the establishment and continuation of an islamist ideological regime in power. some parts of the opposition are misleading them in deceiving them so that there would be some kind of communist utopia at the end of the rainbow where iranians can find peace and prosperity. this is very unfortunate. ideolog

without it, they are limited to what they have in pakistan, signature strikes, target suspicious groupings of military. that's going to be a complex task for them. the serious government saying yes, we would welcome you, but setting rules, saying they have to agree on what is done. washington isn't going to want to get into the nitty gritty of a contact with the assad regime given the tens of thousands of civilians they have killed. that's behind the radicalization that spawned isis in the first place. we are seening recognition in washington that isis presents a threat not only in the middle east, but the united states. the military action may now spread to syria. john? >> an almost impossible situation where the united states has to figure out a way to go after isis without helping the assad regime, which exactly one year ago this week, the united states was considering bombing. >> absolutely. bear in mind, too, many analysts think the assad regime has done little to fight isis. they are seeing isis move against the rebels who were a problem for the assad regime. their enemy's enemy. yes

president obama is setting up the situation where it's going to be like yemen or pakistan. where the model is the u.s. works through local forces, bolsters them with intelligence and advisers, but doesn't actually commit combat troops on the ground. the air strikes will not drive isis out. but they'll be a great force multiplier, they'll help boost the confidence of the kurdish or iraqi forces. the u.s. has made clear that it's not going to make the decision of when to go after them in the mountain. the president said he's going to leave that to the kurds and his advisers say they're going to leave that to the iraqi army to decide when to move forward. >> but here's the issue, they don't have the weaponry that isis has. and you just co wrote a piece with someone embedded with the peshmerga military, it's the russians who provided some of the tanks. >> we've all seen the sensationalistic headlines, isis standing in front of humvee's, it's terrifying to think they've controlled hundreds of millions of dollars. the problem is, this equipment is very, very difficult to operate,

when you start looking and theica, why africa tribal areas and afghanistan and pakistan? why? these are undercover and spaces, vacuums that are being filled by our at the series. abilitye the time and -- ability to maneuver and plan attacks. i think one of the challenging issues we have all tried to address in recent years is take drones. at the end of the day, i would look over enemies their soldiers -- shoulders then giving them more time to plot or in terroristngage activity. is it a panacea? absolutely not. an important instrument? yes, it is. it has to be combined with other instruments that quite honestly we're not that comfortable as a country or world addressing. i think that is something we need to worry about. isis. tragic newsat the in terms of the beheading of an american, this is part of the narrative. the narrative is to demonstrate we are vulnerable, we should be afraid and will continue to engage in this activity. i would advise no one to watch that video because in a way we are giving them the oxygen they look for, that they seek to be able to fulfill the obje

not just core al qaeda and pakistan by the number of groups and individuals who have varying degrees of affiliation with al qaeda. see this when you turn on cnn or open a newspaper. you have groups obviously affiliated with al qaeda like al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, thegroup responsible for 2009 effort to take down a plane over detroit. you have the group in somalia, newsgroup in affiliate -- and al qaeda. you have groups that are aligned with or even have splintered away from al qaeda. aligned groups like boko haram in nigeria. isil, a group that has splintered off from al qaeda. that, you have a number of individuals in places like libya, egypt who have varying degrees of adherents to the ideology. you have people here in the united states to adhere to the ideology of al qaeda here yet so the way the threat picture looks now is much more diverse and fragmented that i was 10 or even really four years ago. beyond the diversity you have geographic diffusion. as i mentioned initially, not just centered in the region, it a widespanning geographic area going from south asia in afgh