al qaeda would not bother him -- present bush's emissary the taliban, because they are so connected to the al qaeda, refused that, even know they knew it would mean the potential loss of theiregime and thousands of fighters. but listen, by their first week in december, as a four-star in ntagon, was told by th chairman of the joint chiefs toat the senior leadership has made the decisioo toar in iraq. this was the firce week in er, less than 90 days after 9/11. th is how quickly that decision was made. orders were given to general franks at central command. satellites began to shift to iraq. cia began to sft. we put a curb on the resources. we never got the resource situation right, ever. laura: how much of a setback you think it is now, the fact that these peace talks have apparently broken down? n. keane: i think that i absolutely a very good thing. i think the negotiations with the taliban were done on a very false premis iothe major condthe taliban had from the outset of the talks -- i've spoken to zalmay khalilzad twice on this te-on-one. i read portions tentative agreement that

hamza bin laden as an emerging leader in al qaeda. documents obtained from the complex where his father was killed in 2011 had suggested that osama bin laden was grooming his son to replace him as the leader of al qaeda. there's a lot of details to learn about how this happened and why the white house confirmed it this morning. we're getting the official word that hamza bin laden is dead. >> is there an answer to why now we're learning this? what confirmation did the white house had that it felt more confident about revealing he's officially dead today? >> that's an important question. about a month ago when cnn and other news outlets reported the administration had this intelligence leading them to believe that hamza bin laden was dead, president trump was asked about it and he said he didn't want to comment. something happened to prompt the administration to confirm the death. we still don't know when hamza bin laden was killed. it seems to be at least a month ago. >> all right, sarah, thank you so much. let's get more on this military operation that killed bin laden. ryan brown joins

courtney kube on what we know and what it means for al qaeda >> reporter: today president trump confirming an nbc news exclusive report from july that osama bin laden's son and heir apparent to al qaeda is dead. the white house releasing a statement saying that a laden was killed in a u.s. counterterrorism operation in the afghanistan/pakistan region surrounded by jihad from a young age, hamza was just 7 years old when his father declared holy war on the u.s. and moved the family to afghanistan. he appeared in an al qaeda video soon after the september 11th attacks and was seen as the most charismatic, religious, and militant of osama bin laden's sons hamza was not at the pakistan compound when his father was killed by u.s. navy s.e.a.l.s in may of 2011 still few details about how and when hamza was killed u.s. officials only saying it was sometime in the last two years. >> certainly it would appear that this was an individual that was killed in an air strike >> reporter: but earlier is year the u.s. state department announced a $1 million reward for information about his wherea

unthinkable. forget about a us invasion, just a raid against an al qaeda compound and we knew they knew where some of the compounds were. much less, much less an armed drone that could kill a terrorist overseas. in debate for years, never happened. meanwhile there is at trophy at the cia, training spies declines, the number of spies in cia training programs declined, and the attitude about terrorism was mixed. after 1947 the targets the cia typically chased were big targets, soviets, chinese, the cuban missile crisis, big targets. i returned from taking a leave of absence in 1992 and was told to go to the counterterrorism center because it was seen as a place where you sent people who maybe weren't ready for prime time which was a model life it. that changed over time, like any organization, even large organizations people make a difference in the personalities i read about in the book and i knew so well were critical in keeping counterterrorism from declining further in the 90s. george tenet, cia director was immersed in counterterrorism and insisted but counterterrorism get some

be an emerging leader in al qaeda. here is sarah westwood, sam kylie, peter bergen and colonel sedgwick layton. what did the statement from the white house say? >> the white house is confirming he is dead saying he died in a u.s. counterterrorism action. cnn reported on july 31st that the white house believed him to be dead. mark esper confirmed his death in a few weeks ago. "the new york times" reported this death happened sometime within the last two years. the timeline unclear. i want to read you part of the statement the white house released. the loss of this man deprives al qaeda of important leadership skills and the connection to his father, but undermines operational activities of the group. he was tasked with planning various terrorist groups. the state department offered $1 million reward for information leading to the caption of bin laden. in addition documents obtained from the compound where his father was killed in 2011 showed that he was being groomed to replace his father as leader of the group. even though it's not a recent kill, details are still unclear. the

seen as an emerging leader of the terror group, al qaeda. the president releasing a statement today that said bin laden had been killed in a united states counterterrorism operation in the afghanistan pakistan region. with me now, retired rear admiral john kirby, former spokesperson for the state department and pentagon, also cnn military and diplomatic analyst, also with me, david rhode, executive editor. good to see you both. first reported hamza bin laden was killed over the summer. what's the procedure of verifying that before notice like we saw today from the white house is made public? >> a couple of things go into this, fred. one, you want to be sure that you did in fact kill the person you think you did, and you're going to usually wait awhile to string all the bits of intelligence you can get, and all of the different strands to make sure you got the target you think you've had. we made the mistake in the past of announcing certain terrorist killed here or there, finding out later maybe they were grievously injured and survived. number two, you want to extrapolate all the i

. this individual was associated with a known al qaeda operative. he was one of the conspirators in the attack on the aircraft coming out of great britain in 2006. so he and this communication is happening. and then 6 september 2009, nsa intercepted a message from paktana communicates with someone inside the united states. under the 702 certification process, we were authorized to get the content of that e-mail. and when we read it, it had code words in it. they're indicative of a terrorist act. and it had a phone number. what it didn't say is who is the guy inside the united states? where does he live and what's he up to? so we would take that and say this is important. so we gave that e-mail to the fbi. the first e-mail that came across was from that address to a yahoo account. and then there were three e-mails from njbazaz@yahoo.com saying get in touch with me right away. i need the formula, the marriage is ready for flower and oil. the term marriage is a term that we all know and understand to mean attack. the other problem is that these e-mails are occurring just days before th

. just arrayed against an al qaeda compound and we knew the they knew with some of the compounds were. much los, and armed drone the could kill a terrace overseas. in debate for years, never happened. meanwhile there's atrophy at the cia example training. training spies. the number of spies declined. in the attitude about terrorism was mixed. remember after 1947, the target the ci templin chased were pig targets. soviet chinese the cuban missile crisis, pig targets. i served in a return from a leave of absence to the cia a in 1992 until we go to the counterterrorist center because it was seen as a place where you set people who maybe weren't ready for prime time which of course was a model. the model. the changed. like any organization even large organizations, people make the difference. the people personalities that i knew so well were critical in keeping counterterrorism declining further in the '90s. for tenant, the cia director was immersed in counterterrorism and insisted the counterterrorism get some level of privacy and on budget and he insisted on ensuring the there was leade

name of his infamous father. do we know what if any role he played in al qaeda? >> no, it is not really clear how important he was in the organization, al zawahri is still the leader. many believed his son was a rising figure inside the organization and that he had already at the age of 30 started to reach out to some al qaeda franchises and branch network groups to sort of start correlating operations, maybe help plan some. there was a legitimate concern that this was a future star leader of the organization. >> when osama bin laden was killed in 2011, items seized in the navy s.e.a.l. raid indicated he was grooming him to replace him as al qaeda leader. what is the status of the group now? is it considered a major player in global terrorism? >> it is still a viable terrorist network, they have a relationship with the taliban that the taliban has not renounced, why it is so important to move carefully here in negotiations in afghanistan with the taliban. that said, it is a shadow of its former self as an organization. it has been largely eclipsed by off chutes and franchises lik

again. the taliban has never separated itself from al qaeda, the fight hand-in-hand with al qaeda. jillian: donald trump says peace talks with taliban are dead as the administration works to withdraw us troops from afghanistan. rob: without a peace deal what is the best path forward to ending america's longest war? here to weigh in is rebecca heinrich. a lot of people are worried there is no way out of this, no right answer. what do you think? >> there are only bad choices before us. the problem is deciding which one is the least bad? which what is going to optimize protection of the american people and honor all those lives the we have lost and the treasury we have sunk into trying to bring justice on behalf of those lost on september 11th and making sure we neutralize the threat to americans we don't have subsequent attacks like september 11th. jillian: the united states military has not done what is necessary because policymakers in washington to vanquish the al qaeda and taliban over the 18 years we have been there. our best move forward to not negotiate with the taliban, harbor and pr

where they face murder charges. another fox news alert, the elusive leader of al qaeda marking the anniversary of 9/11 by calling for attacks on the west. in a new video he urges jihadists to target the us, europe and israel specifically military bases. he was a key architect of the september 11th attacks, he took over al qaeda after usama bin laden was killed. disturbing billboards going up in baghdad, some reading death to america. one of showing what it looks like or what looks to be the ghost of the statue of liberty holding donald trump's head. the sign blaming the us for incivility in the middle east. the billboards are thought to be part of an anti-american and anti-israel campaign by pro-iranian groups. donald trump confirming a short list for john bolton's replacement one day after the national security adviser left the administration. sources say one of the 5 names being floated is mike pompeo and there are rumors the secretary of state could absorb the it is not unheard of. henry kissinger served both roles for president nixon. donald trump is expected to make a decision

international religious extremists under bin laden who refer to themselves as al qaeda, and they had sought and gained safe haven in the taliban-controlled parts of afghanistan. they were essentially being hosted by the taliban. >> it was the paramount safe haven for al qaeda. which was the most dangerous terrorist group on the planet at the time. >> the taliban is ruling according to their conception of islamic law. the most literal fundamentalist conception that you can possibly imagine. >> the taliban regime was ruthless. there wasn't anything that they wouldn't do. these men would shoot women in the back of the head. they were the men who would beat you on the street with whips. they were the ones who were committing all the crimes against humanity in the name of islam. the people were in dire, dire straits, and they were living in abject poverty. they were suffering under the greatest, most oppressive regime that we've seen in modern history. it makes me feel angry, but i don't want to live just to feel angry. i want to do something to change it. that's why i went to afghani

and they could be made at state lists and u.s. attacks what it says was an al qaeda linked training camp and serious problems killing at least 14 people. are going to welcome back to the 4. yes well we're watching another storm developing here just to the west of the philippines following a storm that made landfall over here towards vietnam bringing very heavy rain in that region so the ground is already saturated over here in vietnam the storm though is going to develop in almost the same way as the previous one it tracked very quickly across the south china sea so we could possibly see a developing land fall here across much of vietnam by the time we get to tuesday or wednesday so when watching this very very carefully over the next few days well down towards the south we're going to be seeing some dry conditions across indonesia but we are going to see some more rain developing here across malaysia you know ahead been dry but as we go on the forecast map we do expect to see more heavy rain across much of that area up towards coaching it's going to be attempt a few in rainy at $32

someone of great symbolic value to al qaeda. >> brennan: how was he killed? >> i can't go into the specifics more than what the white house has disclosed. but it shows they have acknowledged that this was an impact region. it shows the continuing importance of that region to al qaeda, it also shows the importance of the region to us in terms of our security that we need to maintain some footprint or some guarantee that al qaeda won't resurge in the area. but he was not, i think a leader, current leader of al qaeda, an in the operational sense, so i think if his name'tt bthsame impact but terms of taking more of the leadership of al qaeda. >> brennan: the president continued negotiating with the taliban. >> the president should, wrong th planned, ill prepared summit, and it falling apart. at the end of the day there is only going to be one way to resolve the conflict in afghanistan and that's through the negotiation. but we should secure more than taliban promises in that negotiation in exchange for a drawdown of american troops, we have to inassist on at least a partial cease-fire

to separate from al qaeda, something they've indicated they would do and now lastly the taliban and afghan government must engage in a good-faith process that can lead to reconciliation among all afghans. this area still has a lot of unanswered questions that with the president declaring it dead, it isn't clear where we go from here. the way i see it we need to use whatever leverage we can to promote dialogue. the president suggested peace would be possible unless we first a cease-fire complaints. well guess what, there was in june, 2018 to celebrate, and what did we do to seize this opportunity, nothing. why, because the administration has hollowed out the state department and the complaint about this for a long time. the inspector general found of the bureau of south and central asia to have lost both staff and expertise into the administration including experts on peace talks where the taliban reconciliation. so, what will this administration do to get a second bite at the apple it might create an opening for more dialogue. i would like to hear from the witnesses among any other

islamic state qaeda.nd tentatively, al al qaeda is the group that conducted the 9/11 attacks 18 years ago. things that really made afghans very worried about their future. >> and thihis is the 1 18th ananniversary of 9/1/11. what about america's longest war? >> it doesn't look like america's longest war will soon bebe over. been publicly releaseded, but there are many reports of it. the u.s. names al qaeda as one of the jihadists that they were fighghting against. afghan experts that say the links between taliban and al qaeda are very deep. they are historical, ideologigical. they are family members of these two groups that have intermarried. and there are taliban commananrs on the g ground like the leaderf the network that has close ties with al qaeda. some of the very key components of the deal was questionable. ,nd 18 years after this war there have been two u.s. presidents that are promised to end this war in afghanistan. we saw what happened in iraq when u.s. troops withdrew very hastily. .t could be a lot worse the terrain is a lot more rugged and impenetrable. this could come b

u.s. officials, that they would cut ties with al qaeda in return for u.s. troop drawdown? ryan: this has been flawed from thwevery beginning. made a huge concession at the start by agreeing to t the taliban n baout the governme of afghanistan president. thatad been at taliban demand for years. we resisted it for years, and then we cepted it. the signal weaid was basically the same signal we sent in t i 1970'sn paris about vietnam, we're done, we are leaving. you can lk about the modalities, buwe are just done here. i think they were off to a very bad start right at the stginning. the hing we can do right now, what the presidentays he is doing, is halting these negotiations. we need to re-base need to talk to the afghan government, and come up with a strategy for winning, not losing. that is where we are right now. laura: y to troop withdrawals that you the movie doesn' stop playing.t would that be a problem if we completely withdraw troops from afghanistan? ryan: we have seen this movie in iraq. you not endpu the war by lling your troops out. you just handed the ttlefield to a more d

after the afghanistan-based militant group al qaeda kililled nearly three dozenen people in e united s states on 9/11. the decision to increase operations in afghanistan comes days after u.s. president trump called off peace talks with the taliban. also coming up -- >> 300 people are leaving this country, women, children, and men, simply because they are foreigners and don't feel welcome. brent: nigeria is repatriating hundreds of citizens from south africa. we have a report on the antiforeigner violence that has prompted that decision. also tonight, the growing number of young urban adults choosing nonot to buy a car. the rise of car-sharing has mame it easier r for young people to live without owning a car. our reporter went to the frankfurt motor show to see what automakers are doing to get millennials to buy their products. brent: i'm brent goff. to our viewers on pbs in the united states and all around the world, welcome. we begin in the united states, were that countries commemorating the 2001 terror attacks with ceremonies across the nation. families of victims and survivors wer

intelligently. in in 2001 go in destroy al qaeda and get out it was should have been a police action a crime was committed then you do a police action and then you would draw from it the reason why the. u.s. allies agreed to join this operation but i agree. with that it's a big problem for trying because it was during his campaign between 2016 he was against the war in iraq and it was through. this time that you promised a victory so it didn't promise deal with taliban but it's obvious that it's very interesting if you look what victories does he have ok deemer and i think this is exactly what thinking is is that he didn't he didn't see with what was proposed to him i don't think it was his idea this was a proposal he didn't see a win either way going through with the deal or abandoning it ok he's looking for a better option but for the last 18 years there hasn't been very many good options except for one get out several players well it's the longest war in american history and let me give you a precise figures even according to wikipedia 2410 american military deaths almost to solve c

prime minister who attacks opponents of al-qaeda across the middle east johnson and al-qaeda let alone new labor blairites were even warned about him. by the leader who defeated them in syria or for half an hour you put a bet on the shape of the toda welcome to how people come and i replied a fear for understand people who would have felt for his ideas and did i want to. go with him i can with a phone from him boris johnson supported nato violence that arguably aided al qaeda supporters in syria afghanistan and iraq but his support for the tory new labor blairites war in libya which created a safe haven for al qaeda in the mediterranean is more nuanced british foreign secretary boris johnson has said the removal of former libyan leader moammar gadhafi in 2011 has proved to be a humanitarian and security tragedy that was speaking on his return to the u.k. up to today because it's immediately he eyed the many rebel parties in the country to try and reach a compromise what does boris johnson know about david cameron's catastrophic destruction of africa's richest macavity country tha

there in the first place -- this had all to do with al-qaeda -- and second of all, to remember that while the status quo, the stalemate on the ground today is not very attractive, there's actually a worse possible outcome. and there's an outcome that features a return to civil war, mass atrocities and chaos in afghanistan. so while we may not be satisfied with the status quo, we want to certainly avoid an even worse outcome in civil war. gerry: to put it bluntly, if the united states were to pull its forces and nato, out of afghanistan, do you think we face similar threat to the terrorist threat that we faced on nep? >> so -- on 9/11? >> so not immediately, but i think there's a high prospect that the afghan security forces in which we've invested now for well over a decade might fragment and disintegrate. i think it would put enormous pressure if on a very fragile government structure if kabul itself -- in kabul itself, our partners, the afghan government, and would give an opening to the taliban to gain even more ground and more influence and potentially invite not only al-qaeda,

major isis recruiter in eastern afghanistan. now, this comes as isis, al qaeda, and the taliban are all increasing their attacks in afghanistan. charlie d'agata spoke with the a p general in kabul about this towing threat. >> reporter: the taliban may have doubled down in their offorts to gain leverage over nhe u.s. in recent talks, but brigadier general khoshal sadat >> we inflicted a huge amount of casualties. it's been unprecedented. within a matter of hours, hundreds of them just gone. >> reporter: and the country's top security chief issued a sober warning to americans. ca as i said, we have seen nonnections, communications between isis fighters and some al qaeda here and europe and the united states. >> reporter: that bears repeating. contact between isis and al qaeda operatives here and in the united states, the very reason u.s. forces invaded this country in the first place. the mission then and now to destroy osama bin laden's al qaeda network. 18 years on, that terrorist group is still here, along with the newest jihadi kid on the block. as for the taliban promise to tover aga

influence and potentially invite not only al-qaeda, our original target in afghanistan, but more recently the islamic state branch which is in the border area between afghanistan and pakistan. we could invite those transnational terrorists to use afghanistan again as a safe haven. so there's a high risk here or a worse outcome than what we face today. gerri: so what do we need to do? i think americans really have had enough of this war. they do want troops to come home. a lot of americans have died and suffered as a result of this war in a great effort to protect this country, but people, i think, do want the troops to come home. what do we need to do to be able to draw a line under this in. >> look, i applaud the diplomatic initiative that the trump administration has taken over roughly e the past year. i think they found the single most capable diplomat, former ambassador kalazad, to lead as the u.s. envoy in exploring diplomatic options, political options with the afghan taliban. but this is an enormously complex set of problems. you have not only three key actors -- the afghan governm

have been motivated or worked with al qaeda in the islamic state. and the counterterrorism programs at the mccain institute. many of you also know him based on government work, most recently as the former director of the national counterterrorism's center. >> within have to write is rebecca weiner. the commissioner for intelligence analysis. if you haven't taken a look at it, there was an op-ed published last week from a standpoint that looks at this issue. than the senior vice president of programs at the anti- defamation league and former director of the office for community partnerships at the department of homeland security. there is a range of different views on the subject. a couple of points of order, one is, we will have a discussion for about 40 minutes . then we will open it up to questions from you. please remember, this is about question . if you start giving a monologue i will cut you off and ask where that question is. speak into the microphone. raise your hand and we will call on you. you can identify yourselves and then ask your question into the microphone. that wou

hat they woulcut ties with al qaeda in return for u.s. tro drawdown? ryan: this has been flawed from the very beginning. we me a huge concession at the c start by agreeing to talk to the taliban without the governme of afghanistan president. -- present. thatad been at taliban demand for years. we resisted it for years, and then we accepted it. the signal we said was basically e same signal we sent in the 1970's in pari about we're done, we are leaving. you can talk about the modalities, but we are just done here. i think they were off to a very bad start right at the beginning. the best thing we can do right now, what the president says he is doing, is halting these negotiations. we need to re-base is from we need to talk to the af government, and come up with a strategy for winning, not losing. that is where we are right now. laura: you have said in relation reto troop withdcawals that you leave the movie theater but the movie doesn't stop playing. would that be a problem if we completely withdraw troops from afghanistan? ryan: we have seen this movie in iraq. you do not end the war

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seen as an emerging leader of al qaeda. the president releasing a statement today saying he had been killed in the counter terrorism operation in the afghanistan pakistan region. let's begin with sarah westwood. what more are you learning about this development? >> this is the first time that hansa bin laden is dead if was a counter terrorism organization that took place in the afghanistan and pac stan region. this is not netly a u new or recent development. they had intelligence that lead them to believe that he had been killed. and they said in an appearance on position news, that he had been killed, but i want to read you part of the statement that the white house released this morning that seems to explain what the white house viewed. the loss of hamza bin laden was responsible for dealing and planning with various terrorist groups. he was labelled an emerging leader of al qaeda and offered a one million dollar reward for information that has lead to his capture. documents collected from the compound seems to suggest that osama bin laden was groops his s grooming his son to take

day 19 islamic terrorists, members of al qaeda killed 3000 people, got that now? >> this man didn't like the rhetoric from a member of the squad so he stepped up yesterday and said something. >> the 9/11 family member who captured the family attention with his message to ilhan omar. "fox and friends first" continues right now. ♪ jillian: taking it back a little bit. rob: early 90s. jillian: the first something. cd. rob: you were watching face to face. jillian: taking it way far back. excuse me. neither of them. on that note good morning, you are watching "fox and friends first" on thursday morning. rob: thanks for getting up early with us. a major win for the trump administration. the supreme court reinstating asylum restrictions after a surprising about-face from the ninth circuit. jillian: griff jenkins joins us with reaction from democrats and dissenting opinions. >> reporter: the green light to enforce restrictions on asylum-seekers trying to enter the us the record country like mexico without seeking protection there. the president tweeting the united states supreme court win

negotiate ations with al qaeda not possible negotiations with the taleban are possible but as we've seen very very difficult you have invested a lot of time in getting talks with the taliban up and running and you did that under both presidents obama and president trump i'd like to hear your thoughts on the u.s. president inviting the tele bunda camp david i mean did you know the trump had extended that invitation now and you know look i'm not a u.s. official any longer the work that i did in 272800 to try to help get this current round of talks going was as a as a private citizen not as a as he was government official. i mean it does seem a bit odd. to put it lightly to invite the taleban to camp david premature you know maybe after a a lot of confidence is built after a ceasefire after there are have been extensive negotiations in afghanistan and it changed environment to include the taleban pronouncing their ties to al qaeda and and now see very clearly that al qaeda that al qaeda or any other terrorist organization is unwelcome in afghanistan. and they've made similar declaratio

yugoslavia today britain has a prime minister who attacks opponents of al-qaeda across the middle east johnson let alone new labor blairites were even warned about it by the leader who defeated them in syria but a call for half an hour earlier to talk about on the top of the total well i can know how people come in my reply to feel for understand the i would have felt from his idea. if he were free to go if you don't like and was so fond of coming boris johnson supported nato violence the doggedly aided al qaeda supporters in syria afghanistan and iraq but his support for the tory new labor blairites war in libya which created a safe haven for al qaeda in the mediterranean is more nuanced british foreign secretary boris johnson has to say the removal of former libyan leader moammar gadhafi in 2011 has proved to be a humanitarian and security tragedy that was speaking on his return to the u.k. up to today because it's immediately he the men are able parties in the country to try and reach a compromise what does boris johnson know about david cameron's catastrophic destruction of africa'

. attacks what it says was an al qaeda links training camp in syria as it lay province killing at least 14 people and bracing for hurricane dorian the united states prepares for the powerful storm to make landfall. we begin with breaking news out of the united states where 5 people are dead and at least 21 injured after a mass shooting in the state of texas at least one shooter drove around the city of a desk firing at police say that suspect has been killed let's hear what police have to say. for civilian casualties we have at least 21 victims 21 shooting victims and at least 5 deceased at this point our situation started about 317 this afternoon when i d.p.s. trooper attempted to stop a gold honda. when the devious troopers get the car start he was then shot by the argument of the car let's not speak to heidi's or castro in washington following this story for us heidi what's the latest is the situation under control now. that's hard to say right now foley the last update from the police chief of odessa was that he believed there was no longer an active shooter on the loose but i

talked about the fact al qaeda has been somewhat eclipsed by maybe other terror groups since 9/11, most notably isis. you also mentioned boko haram. what's the strategic importance of hamza bin laden's death? >> he certainly has symbolic importance because he was the perceived heir to the throne of osama bin laden. many people believed that the elder bin laden was grooming him for leadership. the stated leader of al qaeda is old and some believe to be ill. so it wasn't clear how much longer his leadership was going to go on. so there was a significance in the name brand bin laden and what that might do to the morale of al qaeda and their recruiting capabilities going into the future. they have been at odds with groups like isis. many thought that hamza bin laden could be that anchor, that lightning rod to get the organization to be more viable and virulent in the future. >> the fact this announcement comes the week of the september 11th anniversary, on the heels of john bolton resigning or being fired, on the heels of the controversy over that taliban meeting that was canceled that was

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dollar bounty on his head. he was described as an emerging al-qaeda leader. it was not aware where and when the operation took place. the white house did not explain this and some speculate it might have taken place in pakistan. confirmation by president trump of hamza bin laden's death and ambiguity and why say afghanistan-pakistan unless it's to save someone from embarrassment. it comes as the 18th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. and there were more attacks against the united states and the west. leland: a few years ago, i interviewed his brother and there was a hydra-like character to al-qaeda. kristin: many holding campaign events after that fiery third debate in houston. doug mcleway joins us. >> good afternoon. still resonating beto o'rourke's remarks that may go down in the still young election season by the most controversial by any candidate yet. >> hell yes, we're going to take your ar-15, your ak-47, not going to be used against fellow americans anymore. >> it provoked a lot of angry responses against gun rights groups. t-shirts with the caption beto not. and joy reed asked