sharyl: islamic separatists have been using violence to try to break away and establish an islamic state. gene yu: these guys are battle-hardened fighters or terrorists that have survived essentially the war going head to head with western military and special operations. scott: rome, one of the oldest cities in europe. but in this rr on terror, it has remained unscathed. so why so safe, so far? giampiero massolo was head of italian intelligence. to fight today's terrorists, they're using lessons learned combating another group -- the mafia. giampiero massolo: and this is something we learned eute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] sharyl: welcome to "full measure." i'm sharyl attkisson. it's hard to believe, but we are now 16 years into the global war on terror. today, there are some signs of success in the middle east against the islamic extremists known as isis. u.s. and coalition forces have retaken iraq's capital, mosul, from isis hands. ground in syria. but knocking down isis in one spot means their battled-hardened fighters are turning up

i know an expert on islam, his name is al-baghdadi, he has a phd in islamic studies from the islamic university in baghdad. if we're going to talk about experts, if you look at the ats guy, if you want to look at what islam is teaching, look at who is he is inspired by. >> juan: you don't think that's an extremist? >> katie: he is an extremist, all of these media pundits are acting like regular everyday americans who want to acknowledge there's a problem are called islamaphobic. he is the one teaching this. where is the reform there? why are we talking about all these irrelevance? >> juan: the guy who had that christian called. >> katie: did he have a caliphate with thousands of fighters? i don't want to get into that analogy, but he wasn't attacking innocent people and inspiring thousands of attacks around the world. it was completely separate situation. >> jason: you have to understand the situation, 23 people were brought in part. i want to see them all deported, i think that would hit their family and would catch the attention and serve a really good purpose. before that clip is

with madernity and the ability of islam to reform itself by muslims doing it. and the third was to really start to have a serious conversation about what type of military alliance, what had to happen to stop iran's expansion, persia expansion in this arc across from iran to the sea, through the capitals of baghdad and damascus and beirut and what was happening on the yemen with this pincer move through the air rob world. what's happened in seven or eight or nine months, we've -- president trump has accomplished something that i think people would have mocked and laughed at him in the campaign. raqqah fell the other day. the physical destruction of the isis caliphate which shocked the world on its rapid rise and i think put the world back on its heels, how can this kind of group of young people with a couple of spiritual leaders in the call to arms they had from that 900-year-old mosque in mosul, how can they have an economic in mosul and a spiritual capital in raqqah. how could they have 8 million people, the whole world backed off. in 8 months of president tru

islam is 448 years old. it's just beginning 9 process of confronting -- beginning the process of confronting the tyrants. and we are hamstring our homeland security and president and government and institutions nationally because of i'd tir politics. muslims that are part of the islamic problem rather man muslim reformers who need to be given ways to pushback against this radicalism. lou: our border patrol, our military, our immigration and customs enforcement agents. how do we help move forward? >> all we need to do is shift the conversation from countering violent extremism to countering violent islamism. once our security and national focus and conversation on every program and every hearing is about islamism, then you will start to see the withering away of islamist idea ollie and reformers who reject theocracy. the islamists even if they are not radical will be seen always natural recursors of radical islamists. , and that's 9 way to begin to cure the cancer of islamism. lou: new york police investigati

islam is 448 years old. it's just beginning 9 process of confronting -- beginning the process of confronting the tyrants. and we are hamstring our homeland security and president and government and institutions nationally because of i'd tir politics. muslims that are part of the islamic problem rather man muslim reformers who need to be given ways to pushback against this radicalism. lou: our border patrol, our military, our immigration and customs enforcement agents. how do we help move forward? >> all we need to do is shift the conversation from countering violent extremism to countering violent islamism. once our security and national focus and conversation on every program and every hearing is about islamism, then you will start to see the withering away of islamist idea ollie and reformers who reject theocracy. the islamists even if they are not radical will be seen always natural recursors of radical islamists. , and that's 9 way to begin to cure the cancer of islamism. lou: new york police investigati

the islamic state's escape was not to be televised. but, thanks to amateur footage, we see this was a convoy and a deal too large to hide. the world was told only a few dozen local fighters were being let go. no foreigners and not weapons. but the trucks were crammed full of fighters, some wearing suicide belts. all were heavily armed. after days of searching, we picked up the trail at a truck stop on the outskirts of tabqa. here we discovered the drivers, all civilians, who drove is to freedom. they'd been hired by the kurdish—led syrian democratic forces. it was the longest journey of their lives. their trucks were rigged with is bombs, in case the deal collapsed. they'd been told they were picking up only a few hundred civilians, that it would be a quickjob. they ended up driving day and night for three days. everybody‘s been saying only a couple of hundred, at the absolute maximum, is fighters left raqqa. you took them out, tell us how many you transported. translation: we were 47 trucks and 13 buses, and is militants took thei

islam in indonesia is a tolerant islam, a pluralistic islam, a modern islam, a moderate islam. haslinda: there have been suggestions that perhaps the religious schools may be producing some of those people who end up going to syria, for instance, to join the islamic state. and if you take a look at the data and statistics, there are about 1000 of them, and 500 have gone to syria to fight for the islamic state. what are your views on that? president widodo: the muslim population in indonesia is a approximately 220 million. if some 400 people to syria, that is only how many percent? out of the 220 million muslims in indonesia, it is fractional. haslinda: it only takes one person to cause devastation. president widodo: even though it is only one or two people, it is still important for us to do what we call a de-radicalization program. we give a good understanding of true religious value. we give them a good understanding of the national values. our approach is hard power with legal enforcement and law. we also have soft power with a religious, sociocultural approach. we will cont

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we will eradicate completely from the face of the earth radical islamic terrorism. now, there's a lot of confusion or misinformation, fake news, about who wrote that inaugural address. president trump at the time president-elect trump wrote it. steve miller and myself were honored to help him out as were jared kushner, hope hicks, kellyanne conway, jason miller, some other folks as well who maybe crafted or structured it, but he wrote it. he particularly -- he wrote that sentence. and i remember -- i think he wrote that line and that part of the speech back in november/december at mar-a-lago. the first time we talked about it and back in trump tower. steven miller and i and general flynn at the time talked about him -- that's a pretty big check to write, because somebody's going to have to cash it. and he said, this is my obligation to the american people as commander in chief. if you go back in time, president trump strongly believes that the reason that he was on the podium on january 20th and hillary clinton wasn't was that it came down to a decision of the ameri

no one is ever told me to stop saying radical islam. islam is not represented by these guys. it's a form of islam, it requires them to kill us all. most muslims don't buy with a are selling. we need partners in this war. i'm glad that president trump went to saudi arabia and urged the muslim leaders of the world to stand up against this hate. we are at war. if you treat it like a crime, you will get the same outcome as you did under the obama administration. the guy we captured in libya that we think overran the conflict and killed our ambassador and three americans, i talked to the attorney general today, if this guy is not an enemy combatant, what you have to do to be an enemy combatant? you take up arms against the u.s., you break into the consulate, you kill our ambassador, we are not trying to rob a consulate. here's what i like about president trump. the gloves are off. go after these guys wherever they are. you can kill them when you find them, you don't have to watch them drive away. now he has a chance to tell the american people that the homeland as part of the batt

they are afraid of a potential attack the islamic state group. in these conditions it is difficult to build trust. >> lebanon's army has urged troops that the country's southern border with israel to be completely ready to face what it has called the threats of the itseli enemy and violations. israel has dismissed its neighbors warning of possible aggression as nonsense. the lana desousa has this report. >> it's the latest in the escalation of tensions in the middle east. lebanon's army general was quoted on twitter calling on soldiers to be ready on the southern border with the israeli enemy and their intentions against lebanon and its army. also called on them to execute resolution 1701 in coordination with the united nations to maintain stability in lebanon. a senior israeli officicl respononded to the w warning f m lebanon's army to reuters calling it nonsense. a u.n. peacekeeping force is stationed on lebanon's border with israel and the army is responsible for maintaining security. tensions escalated earlier this year between iran backed he

islam. 58 families from a tribe of 0rang rimba converted en masse to islam just a few months ago. the now islamic missionary is here to make sure the new faith is practised. the whole tribe were picked up by islamic vigilante groups and government officials, and bused into the nearest city's mosque. they were given headscarves. he is certain he is doing the right thing. but it was not just the afterlife that this tribe was thinking about when they converted. it was surviving this one. every dry season, fires burn across sumatra, covering the region in a toxic haze. slash and burn, the quickest and cheapest way to clear the forest to make way for plantations. i covered the fires in 2015. a longer dry season that year made them catastrophic. 500,000 people were affected and dozens died from breathing problems. when the fires were finally out, yusuf‘s tribe's forest home was gone. with no hope of returning to the old ways and after years of living on the edge of the village, they decided to try to enrol some of their children in the local school. they were told they had to convert.

if you kill in the name of radical islam you should be treated as a terrorist. you will never convince me that the best way to gather intelligence in this war which is now in our backyard is to read somebody their miranda rights telling them they have the right to remain silent. under the law of war you can interrogate an unlawful enemy combattant without limitation on time. you have to treat them compliant. you can't torture them nor should you but time can be used as an interrogation tool itself. what i hope the trump administration will do is break from the obama administration's view that all terrorists are common criminals. the law does allow you to treat a terrorist differently from a common criminal. declaring this man as unlawful enemy combattant would allow the government to hold him for the purpose of gathering intelligence, compliant with the geneva convention and the mere passage of time can be a good interrogation tool. general mattis said the best way to find out information from enemy prisoners is over time get to know them, sometimes a cigarette

since donald trump was elected during his campaign he made quite a lot of anti islam comments but so far none of this has really been acted on was it all just a poised to fire appease base or to see really hold some kind of grudge against muslims. i think is incorrect to say that it's not been acted upon because it only took him roughly ten days to put into place the first muslim ban which ended up of course being deemed unconstitutional in the courts he went all the way up to the supreme court but then donald trump himself pulled it and presented a new version of that ban which is also now being blocked and will probably end up going to the supreme court so i think it's a he clearly has acted on it i think that he does so largely because he has a base that has been fed some of this islamophobia and wants to see it acted upon but we haven't seen him necessarily do anything concrete in the region yet short of of course the certifying the iran deal making the future of iran the ovarian cern as well as what is now happening with the alliance with saudi arabia in which trumps so far has

mainstream media stereo or is tom's anti islam rather exemplary i don't know maybe having a reverse the fact. i think it is having a reverse effect because a lot of people are starting to see the discrimination against muslims in the united states or people from middle east and background a lot of the people that are being discriminated against are actually not muslims but they're being perceived to be middle easterners and muslims there's a lot of people who started to realize that that's no different from the discrimination that earlier and continuously is taking place against the african-american community or other communities and as a result it should be opposed in the same way but while the number of people who are opposed to islam before you have increased it doesn't mean that islamophobia attacks and crimes will not increase that small minority that hold those views feel emboldened and empowered by the rhetoric and by the policy initiatives of the trumpet ministration i think that's the reason why we're seeing an increasing number of such crimes so we are now witnessing a rise of

and the islamic state. if in dodoubt as old. currently still under his control in syria and iraq will be asking. is the islamic state still unrest . that's tonight. mr office hiding out in belgium and now. international arrest warrant pick not independently condos pushed him on. in barcelona his supporters took to the streets tonight declaring that they stand firmly behind their embattled leader. well in madrid. eight members of his former government are in jail. little earlier on this evening i spoke to sarah morris she's our correspondent in madrid. on that decision by spain to issue an international arrest warrant for carla's personal. the first step that will happen is that there will be a european arrest warrant and an international arrest warrant. either didn't did that she's in case he decides to meet belgigium ad go to another countryry hard the police in spain will send not so the two. . are dead belgian court lakes and then add to that a b belgian coolol. and. then wee a also put schuman explained t that kind of pushed

just to fast forward down to the islamic state, i have found these documents that the islamic state issued to their new recruits, basically like an intake form, right? an application. who is your mom? who is your dad? were particular skills do you have? ? ve you ever been arrested for terrorism charges? you see them very much applying this particular piece of administrative advice. >> one more point, and that just shows it was not just a group with some terrorist cells here and there and if you kill this leader, the whole thing falls apart. they still survive the drone campaign from 2007 through 2015. that is a small, cellular turn through. we see this time and time again, directing between branches, affiliates, and they are passing down lessons learned, and being passed back up to the top. this is what successful organizations do. if they did it as well as some of the finest corporations out there, that certainly remains to be seen. >> so, closing thoughts from each of you? my lightning round question is what have you seen in the files that answers the question -- what keeps drawing follo

saudi arabia's crown prince has commended the arab islamic coalition for its fight against what he called terrorism he made the comments during the opening of a security conference about combating armed groups she wrote that you were human when. there is no doubt today's meeting is of great significance simply for the reason that over the past years terrorism has been wreaking havoc in our respective countries in the absence of concerted coordination between our countries this is becoming history with the establishment of this coalition more than forty islamic countries have dubbed held efforts in combating terrorism with it militarily financially or in terms of political and intelligence cooperation two people have died in two others a seriously injured in a factory explosion in eastern china at least thirty people have been taken to hospital after the blast in ningbo zimbabwe's new president is getting down to business two days after he was sworn in emma said nagai is working on finalizing his cabinet and government reforms he's vowed to reengage with the world to fight corruption and c

state would not allow them to continue practicing their type of islam in sinai so this is one theory why this attack happened in this way but on the other hand this village road. is mostly inhabited by members of one particular tribe the second largest tribe in sinai so arca and this is the first time that we get this wholesale attack. was so many people killed before they were targeting specific persons either because of the religious differences sufi's or whatever or christians or targeting those people from the tribes in sinai who are known to be collaborating with the government this is the first time that the war. extends to such a massive attack on civilians in such large numbers and the worry here is that this would trigger some kind of tribal warfare in sinai and the whole tribal dynamic this is one of the weakest points of the strategy of. government in sinai not just at the time of during these years but already from ten fifteen years ago the strategy of the government the egyptian state to manage the tribal structure in sinai i think has been an abject failure. what's your

debate within islam. but robert, let's go to you. >> yeah, certainly you are right. i'm glad you asked that question. absolutely. we are on the side. >> the muslim community is less than 2%. [talking at the same time] >> laura: okay. one at a time, guys. guys. robert, let me go to you. harris, you will get in a minute. hold on, guys. >> the community is less than 2%. >> laura: it is. it's a small percentage. >> hair tech's persecuted in pakistan and indonesia. >> laura: right. they are persecuted we have a raddization problem here. how do we in good conscious put another american life in jeopardy with this insane program of allowing people into the country whose backgrounds, frankly, we cannot check because now we can get radicalized on the internet u.s. american citizens can as well. we already have that problem. we don't need more problems. that's my view. robert? >> you are absolutely right. these programs should are been ended a long time ago. they need to be ended immediately. the fact is we have a h

thought, that he killed in the name of radical islam, and that he is expressing his allegiance that he is acting as a soldier of the caliphate, and we should treat him as a soldier of the caliphate. the one thing that is changing is that the enemy is no longer organized in groups. they are soliciting people in throughcountry abroad the internet, and it is important for the american people to understand that in moments like this, the goal is to gather intelligence, not to convict him in a court of law. it will be very difficult to convict him in a court of law, but he will have his day in court, and because he is a green card holder, he cannot be tried by military tribunals. the act so that they are eligible for trial in military tribunals, so he will have to go to court, but that is not the issue. the question for us now is what is the best way to gather intelligence from this man? of war, an enemy combatant is not entitled to miranda rights or to be represented by counsel, when the interrogation counsel is designed to gather intelligence. the lawerence between and criminal law is p

said our belief is not that radical we believe in moderate islam. but there's nothing moderate about your views on violence is there of course we totally condemn violence right after the fourteenth of july attacks in jerusalem's holiest site for muslims and jews two israeli policemen both jews killed by three attackers and your reaction was to glory in their blood. well actually it's different from the way we see it because we see that israel is a aggressors the al aqsa mosque is holy site for muslims they shouldn't be there in the first place so they are the aggressors and the palestinians certainly jews as well ok but. some of the holy sites where muslims pray so they are they shouldn't they be there in the first place and what the palestinians are only their freedom fighters retaliating to the israeli aggression those are slogans to use we tweeted the following you retreated the three brave heroic men who committed the act today on friday and then you said today only force and the use of force can change the status quo so your moderate credential

war, when yout find somebody associating with radical islam who kills in the name of radical islam, what we should try to find out is how did you get here? are you working with other people? i've been a military lawyer for 33 years, we have the authority to detain this man as an unlawful enemy combatant within 30-60 days. he will have a right to appear before a federal judge. the government would have to prove that he is in fact associated the government would have to prove by preponderance of the evidence that he is in fact associated with radical islam. and i think should be conduct based not status based. if you take up arms against the united states in the name of radical islam, you should be treated as a terrorist. if you kill in the name of radical islam, you should be treated as a terrorist held initially under the law of war as an unlawful enemy combatant. you will never convince me the best way to gather intelligence in this war which is now in our backyard, is to read somebody their miranda rights telling them they have the right to remain silent and a right to recently represe

thought, that he killed in the name of radical islam, and that he is expressing his allegiance to isil, that he is acting as soldier of the caliphate and we should tree treat him as soldier of the caliphate. the one thing about the war that's changing is that the enemy no longer is organized in groups. they are slit soliciting people in our own country and abroad to come to their cause through the internet. and it's important for the american people to understand that in moments like this is goal is to gather intelligence, not to convict him in a court of law. i don't think it's going to be very difficult to convict this man in a court of law. but we'll have his day in court. because he is a green cardholder he cannot be tried by military tribunals. stips and green card holders aren't eligible for military tribunals. so he will is to go to article three court. but the question for us is what's the best way to gather intel swrens from this man. under the law of war an enemy combatant is not entitled to miranda rights or to be represented by counsel when the interrogation process is zane

the west from islam. there are 1.9 billion muslims in the world. do we really want to alienate them and push this away and make this a war between the west and the muslim community? the answer is absolutely not. this tweet yesterday actually, in my view, was wildly counter to our national security interests. >> you have muslims in a growing population here in the united states, american muslims. >> right. >> my question to you is do you believe that the president aided and abedded by sanders in this instance does want to create an us versus them with americans/christians and muslims? >> it does seem that his stock and trade is division and this certainly goes back to the campaign. he proposed a muslim ban at one point. he had one of the first acts of his presidency was the travel ban, which certainly looked and felt like a muslim ban. he keeps raising this kind of issue to raise it out of the blue yesterday added with no context and to be retweeting from this woman in great britain that this is a right wi

a saudi prince pledges to root out islamic islamism in the world. everybody would love the world to be rid of islamic terrorism. he wants saudi arabia to be a much more moderate state. he's also being quite assertive in the region. this is obviously quite disconcerting if you are thinking about peace in the region, and obviously it is a threat to iran. but he is saying that we need to rid the world of islamist terrorism but obviously it doesn't bode well for the stability between iran and all their states nearby. talking about a pretty big military alliance. yes, here we are the sunni—shia split was has been in islam for hundreds of years, once again ruing its head. saudi arabia isa again ruing its head. saudi arabia is a sunni state and it is the sunni states which include iraq, syria lobe yob and yemen as a bloc here to the root out islamic terrorism which happens to be pointed at iran and ka too, the founding places of this. and there have been very good reasons for that to be stated but i think it reinforces this schism within the islamic worl

sinai was always the integrator of islamic state and radical islamic in egypt; it used . be 5:2 it is actually sinai, always isolated from egypt, and the security forces are not really strong enough, and the egyptian government will not allow, or send enough troops to protect it. what they want to say, is, they are now not attacking the egyptian forces, they are attacking the supporters of they are attacking the supporters of the egyptian government. they choose this mask in particular, simply because it is mainly supporters of the government. they want to dig about, and they have succeeded. —— they want to seek revenge. this is a particularly horrific attack with over 300 people killed. how have the egyptian authorities dealt with this, and how have they been dealing with the other attacks that they have suffered over the last couple of yea rs ? have suffered over the last couple of years? unfortunately. u nfortu nately, of years? unfortunately. unfortunately, the dealing of the egyptian government have not been up to standards. it has been repeated several times before, and i be

are reporting that the man left a note saying he carried out the attack in the name of the militant islamic state group. all thora tese were quick to label the incident a terrorist attack. let me be clear to based on the information we have at this moment this was an act of terror and a particularly cowardly act of terror aimed at innocent civilians u.s. president donald trump took to twitter to offer condolences to the victims and their families. he also ordered the department of homeland security to step up its vetting of people traveling to the u.s. for now or thora to say there's no evidence the attack was part of a wider terror plot and they believe the suspect acted alone. date of these aleksandr phenomena is tracking developments for us from washington high like sandra what is the latest that you're hearing this morning on the investigation and the suspect. i think that we have to stress that the investigation is still at the very earliest stage but we are learning more and more details about the suspect and we heard as we heard in the report the authorities believe that he acted alo

the leader has experience, he has dealt with islamic militancy, before. but, because it is an ongoing issue in egypt, and across the muslim world, unless you act league challenge and debunk and deconstruct the religious narrative that draws upon the text of islam to justify violence by killing innocent people, muslims or unbelievers, and think you will be rewarding for that, unless you challenge that's narrative, i think we are going to live with that problem. time. -- for some time. the actress, emma thompson, has led a march in north london, to support the british—iranian woman nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe, who's beenjailed in iran, accused of trying to overthrow the state. those taking part have signed a letter urging iran's supreme leader to release her. alice hutton reports. nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe's favourite song, imprisoned in iran and unable to sing it with her own young daughter, 200 members of her community in london came out today to form a protest. they were joined by local mum and oscar—winning actress emma thompson, who braved pneumo

the islamic state's escape was not to be televised. but, thanks to amateur footage, we see this was a convoy and a deal too large to hide. the world was told only a few dozen local fighters were being let go. no foreigners and not weapons. but the trucks were crammed full of fighters, some wearing suicide belts. all were heavily armed. after days of searching, we picked up the trail at a truck stop on the outskirts of tabqa. here we discovered the drivers, all civilians, who drove is to freedom. they'd been hired by the kurdish—led syrian democratic forces. it was the longest journey of their lives. their trucks were rigged with is bombs, in case the deal collapsed. they'd been told they were picking up only a few hundred civilians, that it would be a quickjob. they ended up driving day and night for three days. everybody‘s been saying only a couple of hundred, at the absolute maximum, is fighters left raqqa. you took them out, tell us how many you transported. translation: we were 47 trucks and 13 buses, and is militants took thei

country the religion of jordan is islam this is what it said in a constitution our constitution and if you want to say that jordan is a country of law and institutions then if the law says that this is not allowed the law should take its course what's happened to have had is unacceptable unjustified the law should have taken his course its course in his case. this is what i'm only promoting what the ministry did in the case of that band is that it's used its power its trees diction to prevent that from coming to jordan still more for the metropolis earlier this year you celebrated the release of a murder here in jordan called ahmed comes in not just any murder but a former jordanian soldier who in one thousand nine hundred seven opened fire on a group of young israeli schoolgirls because he said they had mocked him while he was praying there was no evidence of. and you know the only thing that murdering children is ok you make this man into a hero a man found by a military tribunal convicted him of being mentally unstable and you make a hero out of him for killing thirteen and fourt

where they are in contact with other inmates and so radical islam islam will continue to spread his own forces. mokhtari says separating radicals is not enough the young men in prison should be prepared for life when they are released. going into find out what makes these young men willing to die for one moment of intense existence. we have to show them how they can become useful recognised members of society. in some prisons like here in oz the near paris prisoners judged to be terrorism risks are under surveillance around the clock the guards are supposed to find out who is really dangerous and should be isolated a correctional officer who wants to remain anonymous says that's easier said than done. the most dangerous ones are those who pray the most or who practice their religion most devoutly the most dangerous ones work in secret they seem completely normal even in prison we look for little signs what they read or watch on t.v. and how they behave when exercising in the yard. the french authorities long tried to ban islam as such from the prisons only in recent years have they begu

i have never said i am an islamic scholar. i have a political science phd from budapest, a masters degree from budapest. at harvard.r a year i have an undergraduate degree from london university in theology. so if those credentials are not enough, i would gladly debate this individual at any time in the future. ,ith regards to the president and his veracity, lying is something we are perhaps you in politics. benghazi. i think about the irs targeting of conservatives and how that was denied. i think about fast and furious, the death of federal agents because of programs done by a democratic white house. that is not sure of this president. he does things. i am sure this individual did not vote for the president, but that is fine. that is democracy. host: this is about -- this is from george, asking sebastian gorka why donald trump has not instituted sanctions as ordered by congress. the russia relationship is a complicated one. i always tell people to look presso the first conference the president gave. i the last one he gave in

islam. moderate979 with some bastion of liberalism and pluralism, this idea is absurd. saud family have been in charge of that country and imposing their brand of very intolerant, very reactionary islam, it has not been moderate in any shape or form. the saudi arabians have been exporting their puritanical brand of islam to the rest of the world since 1950's. this nonsensical argument that if we could just go back to pre-1979, we would all be moderate again, is absurd. it is very easy to say we will give women drivers the right to drive, the only country that did not do that to begin with, great, we all applaud that -- there is much more that this crown prince has to do before he can even talk about a moderate islam coming out of saudi. donald trump, after accusing saudi arabia of being behind 9/11, president trump decided to make his first trip to the kingdom of saudi arabia, where he danced with swords and received lovely gifts and endorsed every saudi geopolitical plan in the region tom b

islam is 438 years old. muslims need to wake up that we are just beginning this long and possibly bloody process as we see in the middle east for reformation, for freedom, for liberty. americans need to take side in this war. and i hope we can get a strategy under the leadership of president trump that engages anti-islamist muslims who are for reform and freedom. >> tucker: i think that's a very wise point. what percentage would you say of american muslims agree with you? >> i think the silent majority do. 60, 70%. i think numbers have shown in the middle east that islamists are 30% to had 0% of a political movement. a small portion of those are militant islamists. but we are in denial if we don't believe that nonviolent islamism is a precursor to militant islamism. in america those numbers might be a little more who believe in freedom and liberty. it's not by spontaneous combustion that militants like this come out of thing air. there's a process that's related to anti-semitism.

the mosque was members of the sufi faith considered a mistic movement in islam. orthodox islam considered them her ticks for liberal interpretation of the religion. muslims across the world and here in the bay area are in mourning for those who lost their lives in the attack. nbc bay area laura malport joins us live from the islamic center in san jose where worshippers gathered for prayer today. >> that's right, garvin, the past 20 years the islamic association here has post-ed a day after thanksgiving prayer service followed by a lunchen. today was no different except the sermon took on a much darker tone than usual. hundreds of worshippers gather at the south bay islamic association for their annual day after thanksgiving service and celebration. today's sermon addressing the latest attack at a mosque in egypt and the country's sinai peninsula. >> believers muslims, human beings, were slaughtered mercilessly. >> reporter: officials say the militants opened fire on worshippers 199the mosque from vehicles blocking escape routes by blowing up cars. at least 235 pe

islamic state. state fighters to go through turkey to syria so i think our tramp wants to have his cake and eat it too but i mean this crisis is not over. it's too early to celebrate you make sure you say it's too early to celebrate is that because you still believe ice represents a great threat in syria i say that because just over the last few days we're hearing you know from russia for syria to and the armed forces there they believe that isis is on the brink of defeat in syria. you know the numbers stand you know they had many fighters when they were fighting and you know the that bodies don't amount to the number of fighters they had in the fields so where did they go they were hiding somewhere in the desert or in the some safe houses. and the. yes you know down from peace and he wants american cities to be safe he wants europe to be safe. but that means engaging the middle east that means addressing the problems of the middle east. if this is true you know the kurds want peace because i've nev

the islamic state's escape was not to be televised. but thanks to amateur footage, we see that this was a convoy and a deal too large to hide. the world was told only a few dozen local fighters were being let go -- no foreigners, no weapons. but the trucks were crammed full of fighters, some wearing suicide belts. all were heavily armed. after days of searching, we picked up the trail at a truck stop on the outskirts. here we discover the drivers, all civilians, who drove i.s. to freedom. they had been hired by the kurdish-led syrian democratic forces. it was the longest journey of their lives. their trucks were rigged with i.s. bombs in case the deal collapsed. they were told they were picking up only a few hundred civilians, that it would be a quick job. they ended up driving day and night for three days. everybody has been saying only a couple hundred, and the absolute maximum i.s. fighters left raqqa. you took them out. tell us how many you transported. buses, ands and 13 i.s. militants took their own vehicles as well. our convoy w