are for more now i'm joined by our correspondent dorian jones he's on the story for us tonight is stamboul in turkey good evening to you door you know moscow says that the kurdish forces have left the syrian border area with turkey but we're not hearing much from anyone else from the kurds or from turkey for example why not do we know. well a senior turkish diplomat speaking anonymously is quoted as saying well we have to take the words of the russians the kurdish militia withdrawn but we don't trust them he will now be looking to the joint patrols of russia to verify this withdrawal these patrols will go as far as 10 kilometers deep into syria and also in the last hours of the cease fire has been marred by reports of heavy fighting a russian patrol reportedly operating close to the turkish border in syria came under fire from fire reportedly from turkey while there has also been reports of heavy fighting between militias linked to the turkish army fighting against regime forces with reports of casualties and the turkish defense ministry saying as many as 18 soldiers from the regime have b

good evening to you dorian moscow says kurdish forces have left the syrian border area with turkey why are we hearing so little from the other parties involved here well one has said that if that doesn't accept the statements coming from moscow that's despite talk we should fishel is earlier in the day voicing concern things as many as 2000 kurdish militia have not withdrawn beyond the 30 kilometer border agreed in this cease fire agreement and the one that earlier in the week been warning that he would crush the heads of any militia that did not withdraw but following the statements coming from moscow it seems uncle is prepared to give the benefit of the doubt this comes at the same time as we have had these proposed sort of patrol once he came under fire from fire across the turkish side of the boulder and on top of that we've had reports that turkish militias fighting with the turkish forces in heavy fighting with damascus regime full season a number of deaths have been reported but given the spike all these reports moscow at the 9 them in damascus isn't commenting so all sides at t

brent: that was oliver sallet and dorian jones. thanks to both of you. tonight in the u.k., investigators are trying to piece together a strategy. 39 people have been found dead in a truck or truck container on the outskirts of london. the vehicle was discovered in an industrial park. the driver was arrested on suspicion of murder. the container had traveled to the u.k. from belgium. >> at first glance, there is nothing unusual about this cargo truck parked in an industrial estate e east of london. when police opened its doors in the early hours s of wednesday, they made it was discovered. the lifeless bodies s 39 people. >> emergency services attended but sadly all 39 people and said the container had died. early indications suggest one of these people was a teenager. the rest are believed to be adults. a murder investigation was launched. the lorry driver was arrested on suspicion of murder and remained in police custody. >> boris johnson expressed his condolences in parliament. >> the whole house will be shocked by the appalling news that 39 buys have

correspondent dorian jones he is in istanbul and oliver salat is on the story for us from washington to both of you good evening oliver let me start with you u.s. president donald trump is describing the agreement the truce that we're seeing between russia and turkey as a major breakthrough made possible by his policy in syria is that true well that was a very typical of donald trump move essentially what we've been seeing here today is something we've seen before many many times presidents come to clear victory on a crisis that he created in the 1st place and let's just remember how this all unfolded there was a phone call between president wretch of type every one of turkey and president trump and as a result of that phone call president trump decided to pull out the u.s. troops of syria that created a power vacuum in syria and essentially and eventually leading to a deal splitting up syria between russia and turkey and they the outcome of that is that russia became stronger asop became stronger putin became stronger. go on of course as well and even i since my research in the futu

and we can speak to our correspondent in istanbul dorian standing by for us hi dorian can you tell us more about what exactly the presidents putin and agreed upon. well putin have divided up his territory which is around 450 kilometers long and 30 kilometer so deep turkey will consolidate its military territorial gains in its operation around 120 kilometers but the rest of the territory will now fall under the control of the syrian regime forces and russian forces who will now guarantee the security of turkey's border with these patrols between turkey and russia that will follow the removal of the syrian kurdish forces but going for the security of this region will now in his throat matter has been agreed between putin and. then we'll have to look to damascus for future security arrangements and this will take it some point to open up negotiate a diplomatic relations which syria which it cut at the start the civil war so this is a very important success for putin as he's been working hard to bring russia bring turkey and syria together during it does raise the question what about the

our correspondent dorian jones is covering this story from istanbul dorian the russian and turkish leaders have hatched a plan for what they think should become of northern syria what exactly they agreed on well this concerns an air around 450 kilometers long in syria now under this deal 120 kilometers that have been already taken by turkish military in the weeklong operation that has been consolidated turkey will continue to hold this territory now the rest of this area which turkey was planning to take control off to a depth of 30 kilometers now that will be put under the control of syrian regime forces and russia they will move up to the border and in the next 150 hours the syrian kurdish forces will have to withdraw from this region to 30 kilometers away from the turkish front here moscow and damascus will guarantee that we've drawn once that has been completed they will be then turkish and russian military patrols along a 10 kilometer strip that borders turkey to guarantee the security under this agreement though it is not clear the verification of the kurdish forces withdrawal to 30

russia and turkey coming together are they still competing for influence in syria d w correspondent dorian jones has more from istanbul on what's been agreed even though russia and turkey are backing rival sides in the syrian civil war what we have seen in the last couple of years is. putin increasingly working together because there is a realisation that they have to work together to bring an end to the syrian civil war which is in their all of their interests now this deal is another part of this process that was a potential flashpoint a turkish forces could ultimately get into a shooting war with the syrian regime forces further instability in syria but that deal this present deal does seem to have ended that threat it is part of a process of restoring stability to this area the fact that they and now that the kurds are now beholden to withdraw from the from the border will be of a key part of turkey's objectives in this operation and we will now see turkey russian forces on the ground in forcing a buffer zone as part of that process again bringing the 2 countries closer together but be

our there was very recent reporting in moscow let's take the story now to turkey our correspondent dorian jones is standing by in istanbul good evening to you dorian so how do you read this agreement that we're seeing now coming out of sort of are we looking at turkey and russia are they coming together or do we see 2 powers that are still competing for influence in syria well even russia and turkey are backing rival sides in the syrian civil war what we've seen in the last couple of years is. putin increasingly working together because there is a realisation that they have to work together to bring an end to the syrian civil war which is in their all of their interests now this deal is another part of this process that was a potential flashpoint of turkish forces could also make it into a shooting war with the syrian regime forces further instability in the in the in syria but that deal this present deal does seem to have ended that threat it is part of a process of restoring stability to this area the fact that they now that the kurds are now beholden to withdrawal from the from the bor

we have team analysis our correspondent you are shadows in moscow dorian jones is in istanbul and yuri i'd like to begin with you walk us through what exactly russia and turkey have agreed to here well russian foreign minister sergei lavrov presented to after the talks in sochi here in russia a plan which includes several aspects of points i think 3 of them are essential 1st to moscow and ancora have agreed to that to the kurdish militias would to pull back 30 kilometers away from the turkish syrian border 2nd to love russian military police and syrian border guards would be deployed to on the syrian side of the border with turkey outside of the zone of turkish military operation and 3rd target extends to the ceasefire forms of the north from syria which was initially scheduled for tonight by another 10150 hours or more than 6 days which is pretty long so dorian what does this mean for turkey is offensive in northern syria. well for now at least it is is on hold and i think that this agreement in many ways what it sees is the consolidation of turkey's gains turkey has basically taken s

dorian in the meantime we have this u.s. brokered cease fire in syria which is set to expire this evening in just a few hours time to be have any indication of what happens next. well given the fact that this agreement has been reached between one and putin it does seem to indicate that this operation at least for now with the cease fire will continue that now they have these guarantees of security from moscow now in fact very similar to a previous deal that turkey touched out with the americans many months ago again the creation of a security officer and that will be now patrolled by russian and turkish forces he still suggests now that this operation has at least for now been halted before leaving for assault chief we're told did say that the syrian kurdish militia appeared to be complying with the withdrawal from the specific area of this 120 kilometers strip between 2 key syrian towns of russia ian and tel aviv he said that around 800 have retreated this early this morning another 1200 the process of withdrawing it does

istanbul hi dorian the kurdish led administration in northern syria has accused turkey of violating this cease fire what is the latest that you can tell us. well it's very hard to verify these claims but we do know from substantial reports all through the day that fighting has continued in this crucial town of russia i mean there has been have reports of heavy gunfire and also sporadic use of artillery presumably from the turkish forces now anchor insists no this isn't true the cease fire is holding in fact president speaking to reporters said this is all dissin from a short one is very keen that this agreement does stick because in many ways it is a it has agreed to everything that turkey sought to achieve from this military operation so i could really does have an interest in it continuing on the ground it does appear that there's still ongoing fighting who actually is responsible the syrian kurds and they should claim it's mainly the syrian rebels that are fighting with the turkish walters' they are blaming them for this but it remains really unclear who is responsible there is a

for more let's bring in our correspondent dorian jones he is in istanbul for us now dorian we're getting reports that fighting is continuing in the region and now we're hearing a kurdish military spokesperson saying that turkey is in fact violating this cease fire agreement what more can you tell us about all this well yes the blame game has already started over these sporadic clashes that have been going on since the morning mainly in this town the important town of ras al-ain kurdish fighters the same blaming the syrian rebels that occur that are fighting with the turkish forces for violating the cease fire and saying that they are defending themselves we haven't had any reaction from uncreate over this other than the turkish president reject the one speaking before prayers saying that they are committed to this deal to create this safe so that will cover several 100 kilometers and be 30 kilometers deep and they say that they see this is a very important step forward but on the ground it does appear that he sees thought isn't at least in the town of rosalin he's not holding with even r

correspondent dorian jones is standing by for us in istanbul now dorian we're getting reports as we heard that fighting is continuing in the syrian city of ras ein who is involved there and is this a sign now that this cease fire is already starting to fall apart. well it's very difficult to confirm any of these reports but yet seen since the morning there has been reports of heavy fighting gunfire and even the use of what appears to be artillery suggesting possible turkish military involvement in the sea in the fighting but still difficult to know who and why who is responsible for this well the latest reports are suggesting that there has been a law in the fighting whether that is going to be permanent remains to be seen but it just starts on the line how fragile the ceasefire agreement is given the fact that there are so many ambiguity about this deal now one thing that is clear in that deal is that the cease fire requires kurdish forces to leave the 30 kilometer so-called safe zone or are they doing that. well this really is a big problem with this deal because it does appear that the

let's go live now to do their views dorian jones standing by for us in istanbul good day to dorian we're getting reports right now that fighting is continuing in the syrian city of also on our turkish troops involved in those hostilities well certainly there has been the sound of heavy gunfire and explosions possibly the use of artillery in the last few hours but it's unclear what the source of the. fighting is was it possibly celebrate 3 gun fire and possibly the militia just syrian militia destroying their . weapons depos but what we do know now is that for the last hour or so things have calmed down and it's pretty quiet as is along the rest of this area of heavy fighting in the last few days so it does seem that this cease fire does appear at least for now to be temporarily holding although it would be fair to say the situation remains very tense given that there are so many ambiguity over this agreement ok it's calm right now that's certainly good to hear but can you tell us about a little bit about ross all right. who's lined up there who's facing. well that's i mean it really has

correspondent story of jones and public joining us from istanbul in washington gentlemen good evening dorian let me start with you what more do we know about this cease fire slash suspension slash temporary stop in fighting. detail full details of this agreement and how it actually worked there are really many of them and that is really fueling growing concerns about whether this deal will actually work how it is that there will be 120 alex cease fire during that time syrian kurdish forces will withdraw to 32 kilometers away from turkey's frontier now we have had reactions from the commander of those kurdish forces of the syrian democratic forces general muslim cavani he welcomed the decision but crucially he said that the forces will only withdraw from those that are currently fighting the turkish forces now that will cause concern in ankara because there understand the deal is that kurdish forces will withdraw along the whole strip of 500 kilometers of the turkish front so there's a lot of ambiguity there also there is also concern coming from syrian kurdish political leaders saying we wan

president there mike pence we have coverage tonight from turkey and the united states correspondents dorian jones and pablo fully alias on the story for us from istanbul and in washington gentlemen good evening dorian let me start with you what kind of agreement is this and where the kurds consulted before this announcement was made do we know. well the call is the agreement is that there will be temporary ceasefire of 120 hours we will allow the syrian kurdish militia to withdraw to 30 kilometers away from the. border if that is completed then turkey will end it operation permanently but there are very little details about whether the kurds were directly a part of these negotiations vice president pence said that they were in talks before these meetings in uncorrupt and said that they were welcoming such an agreement and were already starting to pull out but i think crucially we have had no official reaction from the kurdish forces over this agreement there are confirmed reports that they are rejecting it and i think they'll be big concerns about what will happen to this area if they do wi

correspondent dorian jones and estoppel welcome dorian what else have you had well we are what we understand from this agreement is that the syrian kurdish militia the white p.g. have agreed to withdraw all 30 kilometers away from the turkish boulder along the strip of several 100 kilometers now this was a key demand of the turkish president type one he did say that the operation would cease once they did withdraw so it does appear that this he's meeting a key turkish dumond now we understand it suffer 120 hours kurdish militia will be given to a withdrawal we understand from vice president pence that is even starting now as we speak so it does appear that now that if they do comply with this agreement and turkey will and permanently its operation expectations of this meeting had been low so what changed. well absolutely no one saw this coming in fact all the briefing ahead of this meeting was that there would be no progress no change in turkey's policy quite what happened in that meeting is unclear when i don't know it going in any indication of what was actually said but it is understood.

so why does what let's bring dorian jones in istanbul into the cold so should. i just washington seem to have so little influence on. well president trump did hit turkey of sanctions at the beginning of the week but they were largely dismissed by turkey's financial markets and turkey's political leadership seen as basically symbolic because despite all the rhetoric that has been coming out of the crisis occasional criticisms from president trump wants to present turkish president heard one still sees trump as their main man in washington they're really their only ally in washington and while mike pence vice president pence was expected to warn one in these talks that if these talks fail than the pressure growing in the u.s. congress for much more draconian sanctions will only grow and will likely pass and maybe even override the president trying to veto uncross of the calculation that this will all take time and even if they even if it is a bigger vote and trying to veto the turkish military operation will have probably been completed by then turkey east dipping

moscow and how to deal with the growing pressure it's feeling from the russians thank you for that dorian jones in istanbul alexandra phenomena in washington thank you bill. here in germany the trial of a former nazi concentration camp guard is underway the 93 year old defendant is accused of aiding and abetting the murder of more than $5000.00 jews and shot off can they get danske in what is now poland is likely to be one of the last legal proceedings of its kind. the former concentration camp stove top of naked dunks in poland during the hitler regime this is where the nazis murdered an estimated 65000 people from august 1940 april 45 served at the concentration camp as a security guard investigators were able to prove this through records pertaining to his uniform the 93 year old admitted to having worked in the camp still he pleads not guilty i worked on several watchtowers i did my job as a security guard that was all. boarded he was 17 to 18 years old at the time his job was to prevent inmates from escaping or revolting therefore he's accused of contributing to the killing of 5230 p

studio we have heading reka with us from the german council on foreign relations good to have you both dorian let's start with you there in istanbul do we know anything about the talks so far and whether turkey really would agree to a cease fire. well we don't really have any information about the talks other than they are believed to be continuing in fact turkish officials have been playing down any hope of any kind of breakthrough in say suggesting this will just be a frank exchange of views on chrome washington really are at loggerheads over this operation and relations have been plummeting ever since it was launched and following sanctions being enforced by trump earlier this week and turkey's message and a message from the turkish president as your type urged on was that we will not in this operation until all our objectives are achieved and dismissed calls from president trump of some kind of mediation saying we don't sit down with terrorists so turkey really has been setting out to stall ahead of these what were described as critical talks saying don't expect any compromise what we exp

brent: dorian, the united states has already imposed economic sanctions on turkey. what more can it do to get its message across? dorian: those sanctions were broadly dismissed by turkey's financial markets, and turkey's leadership has been mainly symbolic. but the u.s. congress does demand and are proposing far draconian measures. and if this visit by vice president mike pence is a failure, then the pressure to introduce those reforms, which could even have so much support to override any veto by the u.s. president trump, could come into force. and those could have major effectcts on turkekey's financil markets. turkey is dependent for over $100 billion a year on loans, and much of that comes from the u.s. financial markets. if that was interfered with, then turkey would be in trouble. brent: earlier today the u.s. president said that turkey's incursion into syria, quote, has nothing to do with us. and he also added that the u.s.'s former allies the kurds are quote, no angels. here is more of what he said. >> the kurds are very well protected. plus they know how to

and dorian jones is in istanbul a good evening to both of you are going to let me start with you the turkish president saying turkey will never declare a cease fire and negotiate with kurdish fighters so what are pompei of the secretary of state and pence the vice president what are they hoping to achieve with this trip. well white house officials told us that vice president pans and secretary of state pompei a wouldn't be having to turkey if the white house wasn't confident that they can achieve their goal and their goal is a ceasefire in syria but this was 2 days ago and the vice president and the secretary of state are still in washington waiting and president trump told us today that they might be going to morrow or today but maybe tomorrow so it seems that the white house is not confident no more that they can a mission can be successful durian the united states has already imposed economic sanctions on turkey what more can it do to get its message across. well those sanctions were broadly dismissed by turkey's financial markets and turkey's political leadership as being mainly

let's get the latest now from istanbul we're joined now by dorian jones our correspondent there good morning a dorian we have the turkish president aired on saying he will never accept a cease fire now what does this mean for the visit of u.s. vice president pence he's due to arrive today. well vice president pence is facing a very tough sell the president has been very clear that there will be no stepping back in this operation and that's why because one says his operation is all about guaranteeing the safety and ultimately the future of turkey and in many ways president one has put his reputation on the line in this operation at a time when he's very politically vulnerable maybe the most vulnerable he has been in more than 15 years in power because there is mounting discontent in the country over the presence of over 3 and a half 1000000 syrian refugees and a key part of this operation is to ultimately return between one and 2000000 refugees that's why turkey nice expand this operation create this 500 kilometer long 30 kilometer deep safe zone as one calls it to allow the return of

mean monod taki the sanctions seem to have had little impact so far correspondent dorian jones has more from istanbul. turkey's political leadership have dismissed sanctions by u.s. president donald trump as further financial markets in turkey shrugged off their impact there have been expectations that the sanctions by washington would be far more severe but trump sanctions were largely seen as symbolic for the turkish lira even recording a modest increase as along with the broader financial markets turkish president reject type word one vowed to continue its operation until all the objectives have been achieved turkey continued to ramp up its offensive into syria and there is mounting concern over the strategically important syrian town of mom bitch damascus forces have taken over the town of the syrian forces open the doors as part of a wider agreement but turkish forces are camped out around the important town with president vowing to take it the mask equally determined not to allow that to happen and russia has deployed its forces between the 2 armies russian president vladimir puti

s dorian jones he's standing by in istanbul good evening to you dorian what are we looking at tonight has this operation gone from an offensive to push back the kurds to a potential confrontation between the military forces of turkey and syria and russia. well that is the big danger that is that is facing these syria now and it's all focused around the strategically important town of man beach you have to mask his forces now taking control of the town and turkish forces camped outside with the turkish president project type reiterating his commitment to take that town and to turn it back to what he says its rightful owners now these people are groups that have been fighting the syrian regime for years and damascus will be equally determined not to let that happen in between now you have moscow trying to defuse the risk of a confrontation and up until now russian president president vladimir putin while strongly backing to the mask his regime has developed of working relationship with now he has to manage this feat of balancing the both damascus and in what is expect to be the biggest

let's go to dorian jones that stumble welcome dorian what sort of effect are u.s. sanctions likely to have. well initially they've had absolutely none in fact the turkish financial markets surged on the news of the sanctions or the turkish lira recording a high increase and of similar other markets as well and that's because the expectation was that these sanctions were going to be far more draconian in fact these measures are seen as largely symbolic and more than that it is seen that they are preventing or at least postponing the possibility of far more to conan sanctions coming from congress where there was a lot more concern so at least for now it seems that turkey believes it's dodged a bullet and you've heard a very tough statement from the turkish president richard type the one insisting this will have no effect and go on reaffirm his commitment to pursue the object of this operation to the very end and the turkish foreign minister. also china saying sanctions don't work let's talk about this this operation then if the syrian government is now in control of

brent: all right, dorian jones on the store rr -- story for us tonight, thank you. in britain, a 30-year-old man jail forward minimum 15 years for attempted murder. in august, salid khata drove his car into pedestrians, cyclists and officers in london to imitate previous terrorist attacks, seven people were injured. people have been injured in guinea's capital as thehe try t block potential changeses to th cocountry's constitution which could allow the president to run far third term in office. a new political star has emerged in budapest following sunday's may i don't recall election. center left opposition party leaderer gergey karachna won. it's the first electoral setback for the nationalist prime minister since he came to power tpwhack 2010. in spain, a judge has issue an international arrest warrant for the former kevalan president who fled to belgium after the failed 2017 independence bid for catalonia. the warn comes after spain's supreme court convicted a host of other catalan separatist leaders, nine of whom received lengthy prison sentences. massive prote

on the story for us tonight in stamboul dorian thank you. dramatic developments from the united states to from the president let's go to washington our correspondent on the story good evening to you all over this is a dramatic reversal in the u.s. president's plans for withdrawing forces from northern syria so the president now ordering those forces not to leave what are you hearing from the white house. while president made an announcement where he is. such jesting that he will soon sign a sign a. an order an executive order imposing tariffs on turkey and in particular we are expecting 50 percent on steel tariffs those tariffs were just reduced a little while ago in may in addition to that some turkish officials are supposed to be targeted here and also a stop to an ongoing trade deal between the united states and turkey is expected that is not being taken place so far it was an announcement made by the president by the white house just a little while ago but it shows very much under how much pressure he is he is desperately trying to make

rather going jones on the story tonight in stamboul dorian thank you. here's some of the other stories now that are making headlines around the world in britain a 30 year old man has been jailed for a minimum of 15 years for attempted murder in august. deliberately drove his car into pedestrians and cyclists and police officers in central london in an attempt to imitate previous terror attacks 7 people were injured in that it's happened one person has died and 4 people have been injured during protests in guinea's capital opposition parties and activists are trying to trying to block but to changes to the country's constitution which could allow the president to run for a 3rd term in office a new political star has emerged in budapest following sunday's main aural election center left opposition party leader garry again. with his call for closer ties between hungary and brussels is the 1st electoral setback for nationalist prime minister viktor orbán since he came to power back in 2010. in spain a judge has issued an international arrest warrant for th

right or dorian jones on the story for us tonight in stamboul dorian thank you. well the european union has condemned turkey's incursion into syria and e.u. foreign ministers meeting in luxembourg have agreed to restrict the livery of arms to turkey though they did not agree on sanctions against encore. brussels bureau chief max hoffmann he has been covering those talks force in luxembourg you foreign ministers who have started down the path of economic sanctions against turkey they could have also started down the path of when you wide arms embargo against turkey but they didn't they chose weaker measures one of them condemning the military operation by turkey in north korea the other one recalling the national effort the national arms embargo by you member state of unity but at the weak signal that many think it's so weak because some of the e.u. are very worried that turkey could terminate the e.u. turkey migration agreement and that would spell real trouble so a signal of unity but it most likely will not make a difference on the ground there was max hoffman

correspondent dorian jones joins us from istanbul. age. said there are these reports now from syrian state t.v. confirming that syrian forces have entered this is part of a deal with the syrian kurds whereby that they would open the doors the gates to these key towns and cities in the region but the same time we are getting unconfirmed reports that there have been clashes in the suburbs by syrian rebels backed by the turkish forces even reports of one tank has been destroyed now this hasn't been confirmed by turkish forces with the syrian rebels have been camped just outside for many many months and the turkish president. today said that will be the next target of their operation which is an extremely important city it's on a key highway that leads to iraq in an interim making it a very important supply route and it's also the gateway to syria's 2nd city of aleppo all the syrian civil war in this city and now it appears to be up for grabs between syrian rebels backed by turkey and the damascus regime forces so as this complicated picture b

jones who is joining us from istanbul dorian what does anyone want to achieve with this planned attack on man bench. well man beaches are crucial to teach equally important city in northern syria it sits upon a vital motorway that connects northern syria with iraq and ultimately with iran and beyond that it is the gateway to aleppo syria's 2nd city so all sides in the syrian conflict have been true striving to get control of mom bitch now that the u.s. have withdrawn it is now seen as a possible leads the turks canal sees it and prisoner one speaking today said that this is returning to its rightful owners and who he means by that are the syrian arab forces that have been fighting the regime who are now allied with turkey the syrian free army and. taking hold of my beach as part of his wider strategy of returning between one and 2000000 syrian refugees back to syria many of them with the opposition to the syrian regime now the syrian regime the mask is determined to take back monday and crucially the syrian kurds who are currently holding it as part of the deal have said that they will

jones but the view from turkey thank you dorian. meantime the european union has condemned turkey's military intervention in syria max hall for men in luxembourg were e.u. foreign ministers have been meeting to discuss that matter max the e.u. foreign ministers they've they've concluded their meeting what did they agree on in their efforts to stop this turkish offensive. one point you just mentioned to me and that is probably the most important point that you can find in that declaration that was released by the e.u. foreign ministers is they condemn the military action that's one point the other point that is no worthy here is that they commit or the member states commit to strong national positions regarding their arms expert policy to turkey now it sounds good but don't confound it with an e.u. wide arms embargo because it's not the same thing this leaves it up to the member states to do whatever they want regarding turkey. and is that a strong or rather weak signal would you say toward turkey. if you look at where they came from