least the u.s. government believe hurt this country. what are your thoughts and what are you hearing? >> there you have the guardian and "the washington post" and pulitzer prize getting the controversy over supporting somebody who is believed as a treasonist. a traitor to america. the counterargument made by the board is that they are doing the best journalism around. they are not part of snowden's story. they are reporting snowden's story. that's why they've been given this. they came across and were given access to this incredible story. whatever you think of snowden, i think we would recognize that we would not be having the debate about nsa surveillance in the past year had it not been for the reporting on snowden's story. >> okay. and obviously had an extraordinary impact.
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