1 00:00:04,82 --> 00:00:10,52 On. The on. 2 00:00:15,91 --> 00:00:21,69 The arm. And. In all five pm. 3 00:00:22,94 --> 00:00:26,60 There's a quorum present with one hundred two voters as of seven 4 00:00:26,61 --> 00:00:33,24 o two pm the Teles have been sworn. The warrant having been previously declared 5 00:00:33,25 --> 00:00:38,17 probably noticed him with the consuls return of service and as tradition dictates 6 00:00:38,18 --> 00:00:43,60 we waive the reading of the warrant so at this time gentlemen I'll ask everybody to 7 00:00:43,61 --> 00:00:45,56 please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance. 8 00:01:09,36 --> 00:01:15,54 And it's of afraid of them which is going to go on all. Right ladies and gentlemen 9 00:01:15,55 --> 00:01:17,62 the rules of the meeting Tahmina is 10 00:01:17,63 --> 00:01:22,31 a town meeting is run proton meeting time is the Kingston by laws dictate if you 11 00:01:22,32 --> 00:01:27,08 wish to address town meeting raise your hand or step to the microphone and wait to 12 00:01:27,09 --> 00:01:31,25 be recognized then step up to the microphone state your name and address before you 13 00:01:31,26 --> 00:01:36,47 address the town during debates or not it goes pursuant to Kingston by law Article 14 00:01:36,48 --> 00:01:41,92 two Section two dash to dash four Keep your comments focused on the articles and do 15 00:01:41,93 --> 00:01:46,90 not make things personal lets remember to respect each other and only one person 16 00:01:46,91 --> 00:01:50,18 shall speak at a time point of orders are to raise 17 00:01:50,19 --> 00:01:54,05 a question is the time to speak or in time of the floor is what the seat speaker 18 00:01:54,06 --> 00:01:59,17 saying irrelevant illegal frivolous or contrary to proceeding is the pending action 19 00:01:59,59 --> 00:02:03,79 frivolous irrelevant illegal or contrary to procedure these are not seconded 20 00:02:03,80 --> 00:02:06,66 debated or amended or reconsidered its at moderate 21 00:02:06,67 --> 00:02:11,37 a sole discretion question of privilege if you have an issue that's raised to be 22 00:02:11,38 --> 00:02:17,44 God to affecting your rights and ability to be at the meeting if your safety 23 00:02:17,45 --> 00:02:22,71 dignity integrity volume temperature which we might address tonight know his 24 00:02:22,72 --> 00:02:29,62 interference with ability to hear speak or participate. Then please shout out 25 00:02:30,38 --> 00:02:34,68 reply. Question A privilege there's been discussion as we know about intimidation I 26 00:02:34,69 --> 00:02:37,47 ask you remember that nobody shall address anybody regarding 27 00:02:37,48 --> 00:02:42,03 a vote they've taken question intimidate or in any way approach a voter regarding 28 00:02:42,37 --> 00:02:46,99 a vote they've taken or a debate they've given motion to amend is 29 00:02:47,00 --> 00:02:51,44 a motion you must make the motion but then will ask each of seeing come down front 30 00:02:51,45 --> 00:02:56,24 to write it put it in writing and then you can debate it is motions to reconsider 31 00:02:56,25 --> 00:03:00,10 which are also pursuant to Kingston bylaws they must be made before the final 32 00:03:00,11 --> 00:03:03,75 a German of the session at which the article is voted and oral at 33 00:03:03,76 --> 00:03:09,35 a session or written in writing the next day next business day by ten am. 34 00:03:10,52 --> 00:03:14,56 Mr Clark did we have any from the last session no motions to reconsider from the 35 00:03:14,57 --> 00:03:19,78 last session so we start off today without any so the next anything tonight if we 36 00:03:19,79 --> 00:03:24,07 don't conclude we conclude tonight it's for closed forever if we don't conclude 37 00:03:24,08 --> 00:03:29,37 tonight then you have to ten am to reconsider anything that was voted tonight 38 00:03:30,52 --> 00:03:34,67 motion to call the question if you feel debate has gone on long enough that I ask 39 00:03:34,68 --> 00:03:37,66 you to speak to him step to the microphone and when it's your turn to speak you 40 00:03:37,67 --> 00:03:41,89 name your address and then move the question you cannot debate first I need you to 41 00:03:41,90 --> 00:03:46,34 leave the doorways open for Father reasons and I ask that everybody be seated I 42 00:03:46,35 --> 00:03:46,77 know there was 43 00:03:46,78 --> 00:03:51,63 a gentleman over he had back surgery and he's been up and down so that's fine. And 44 00:03:51,64 --> 00:03:57,69 then to please step outside for any conversation so that we can hear what's going 45 00:03:57,70 --> 00:04:00,46 on in the room sometimes you don't understand the acoustics of it. 46 00:04:06,18 --> 00:04:12,61 And then with them there with. The camera OK 47 00:04:14,13 --> 00:04:21,10 All right so. As we're doing it I don't know if you gentlemen you're going to 48 00:04:21,15 --> 00:04:21,34 take 49 00:04:21,35 --> 00:04:27,10 a seat back there. But I'm sure one of you was the cable guy because there's usually 50 00:04:27,11 --> 00:04:28,09 a cable guy on the T.V. 51 00:04:28,59 --> 00:04:32,46 I mean on the camera all right now we suspend and what we're doing is tonight we're 52 00:04:32,47 --> 00:04:33,26 going to start without 53 00:04:33,27 --> 00:04:38,08 a call twenty because that out it was already moved in we suspended it so that is 54 00:04:38,09 --> 00:04:41,49 there an article that is actually motion that's open so that's what we'll start 55 00:04:41,50 --> 00:04:46,16 with just for everybody to understand which order we're going in after the article 56 00:04:46,17 --> 00:04:51,78 twenty we will go back to Article ten then which will be the second article heard 57 00:04:51,79 --> 00:04:55,92 then they'll be Article sixteen will be the third article and then we'll move back 58 00:04:55,93 --> 00:05:01,43 up to. Article twenty four will be the fourth that was also moved and then the 59 00:05:01,44 --> 00:05:06,14 fifth out of call will be twenty eight as we go back into the articles in the order 60 00:05:06,14 --> 00:05:12,30 . So starting with Article twenty. Miscavige and 61 00:05:12,93 --> 00:05:17,85 Wilson has indicated that she was unable to make it tonight so Mr. 62 00:05:19,50 --> 00:05:23,78 Stevens I tongue treasure is stepping up now if you all remember just on I want to 63 00:05:23,79 --> 00:05:28,73 go back this article was debated for about. What's my timetable here sixteen the 64 00:05:28,74 --> 00:05:34,63 forty one so about twenty minutes. And actually twenty five and one of the issues 65 00:05:34,64 --> 00:05:39,37 that it come up is if you got in the by laws that was that was cited and because it 66 00:05:39,38 --> 00:05:44,32 says licensing in regulations of business doesn't apply to individuals if everybody 67 00:05:44,33 --> 00:05:48,73 remembers where we were at if it doesn't apply to individual counsel we researched 68 00:05:48,74 --> 00:05:52,75 it so she's now going to advise us and we got to the status of that by law Yeah you 69 00:05:52,76 --> 00:05:58,04 need to move to close. Is this close enough yes we we took 70 00:05:58,05 --> 00:06:04,34 a look at the bylaws. And it does not alter the statutory provision and it applies 71 00:06:04,35 --> 00:06:10,59 to individuals corporation and any other entity that is paying taxes in the town of 72 00:06:10,60 --> 00:06:17,38 Kingston. OK. All right so the idea that question being 73 00:06:17,39 --> 00:06:24,20 inserted now. Sorry just. All right 74 00:06:24,40 --> 00:06:28,60 so everybody ready to now vote this is again we're back on the motion for Article 75 00:06:28,61 --> 00:06:35,33 twenty which was to change the period of time to far for not less than 76 00:06:35,34 --> 00:06:41,96 a twelve month period in the seven sons deleting that OK So all those in 77 00:06:41,97 --> 00:06:45,24 favor of Article ten twenty say I. 78 00:06:48,94 --> 00:06:55,88 Actually you know. Yes 79 00:06:56,04 --> 00:07:02,85 No nobody going to. I just I just put I put them in. These 80 00:07:03,63 --> 00:07:05,16 phones OK I'm. 81 00:07:26,87 --> 00:07:31,10 OK I just you know I just I didn't think it was enough you know this and they had 82 00:07:31,11 --> 00:07:38,07 all these but he's one. Oh. Twenty. That 83 00:07:38,08 --> 00:07:44,95 was. So I want to do. All right I guess I'm seeing the baby now Mr Stevens I'm 84 00:07:44,96 --> 00:07:51,28 sorry you did tell me that too I apologize Mr Stevens can see through so tell me 85 00:07:51,29 --> 00:07:57,100 can hear you. Can Stevens to seventeen main street turn 86 00:07:58,01 --> 00:08:04,18 treasure of. I don't you. Know Better Yes 87 00:08:04,68 --> 00:08:11,43 OK. I'm standing in for the tax collectors tonight I wasn't intending to 88 00:08:11,44 --> 00:08:17,39 speak in favor of this article. Which has been lobbied for by the Massachusetts 89 00:08:17,43 --> 00:08:23,17 collector Treasurer's Association for years. And I can tell you from the 90 00:08:23,22 --> 00:08:28,83 Treasurer's perspective. But the purpose of this article is to keep properties out 91 00:08:28,84 --> 00:08:34,32 of tax title hence the twelve months. Basically what happens in the collectors 92 00:08:34,33 --> 00:08:39,19 office is that after twelve months the collector can send out one final demand bill 93 00:08:39,20 --> 00:08:39,97 and then place 94 00:08:39,98 --> 00:08:45,28 a lien on the property. Line is recorded at the registry of deeds and then its 95 00:08:45,29 --> 00:08:51,43 entire title and it becomes the Treasurer's problem to deal with at that point 96 00:08:51,44 --> 00:08:57,12 people who are in tax title they don't get tax bills anymore they'll continue to 97 00:08:57,13 --> 00:09:01,85 get current bills for the current fiscal year but they won't get any bills on their 98 00:09:01,86 --> 00:09:08,68 tax. Title problem so they may think that it's gone away and that they don't have 99 00:09:08,69 --> 00:09:12,43 a problem one of the other thing that happened that happens when it goes into tax 100 00:09:12,44 --> 00:09:19,23 title is the interest rate goes from fourteen to sixteen percent. So the problem 101 00:09:19,28 --> 00:09:25,64 goes from bad to worse. The idea here like I said is to keep properties out of tax 102 00:09:25,65 --> 00:09:32,29 title. And one of the most important words in the in. Section five for two 103 00:09:32,70 --> 00:09:38,82 is the license and why syncing authority may tonight doesn't say the licensing 104 00:09:39,16 --> 00:09:45,61 authority shall deny we work with tax payers only last week Carolyn and I both 105 00:09:45,62 --> 00:09:51,49 signed. A Letter of Intent to the planning board this owning board. 106 00:09:53,61 --> 00:09:57,71 To building inspector to let them know that we had 107 00:09:57,72 --> 00:10:04,07 a property that it's intact title. Of the owner would like to rehabilitate it the 108 00:10:04,08 --> 00:10:09,56 neighbors are in favor of it and we wanted to let everyone know that we were not 109 00:10:09,57 --> 00:10:14,73 going to do anything to enforce collection as long as this property was moving 110 00:10:14,74 --> 00:10:21,70 forward. And we would do that and in any case more 111 00:10:21,71 --> 00:10:28,37 often than you think. A tax. Players. Best Interests are actually 112 00:10:28,38 --> 00:10:33,52 aligned with the terms and if we can work with them that's the best way to go so I 113 00:10:33,53 --> 00:10:39,66 would encourage you to vote for if this sort of. Thank you Mr Stevens is the funds 114 00:10:40,14 --> 00:10:40,29 for. 115 00:10:49,48 --> 00:10:52,94 You know what it is one day six months on their taxes 116 00:10:52,95 --> 00:10:56,56 a vigil. In this case have 117 00:10:56,57 --> 00:11:03,34 a year or earlier this all the bills of the. Whole issue of Business places today. 118 00:11:05,00 --> 00:11:11,56 Over to businesses so that. Is how it's all so 119 00:11:11,57 --> 00:11:17,22 it's the the list is created and it can be to the individual or any related 120 00:11:17,74 --> 00:11:22,10 property so if that individual own. Owings 121 00:11:22,14 --> 00:11:26,99 a business that business could be on the list too and not part of the hearing 122 00:11:27,00 --> 00:11:33,60 process so to determine Can you hear me Oh OK. So that's part of that 123 00:11:33,79 --> 00:11:39,05 that the process that's vetted in the hearing that's afforded the individual or the 124 00:11:39,06 --> 00:11:44,69 entity to determine if they're properly on lust I won't question that if the person 125 00:11:44,70 --> 00:11:50,01 is an individual and they live you know twenty two you know White House Lane And 126 00:11:50,02 --> 00:11:54,74 but their business is that five million you know White House Lane if they're in 127 00:11:54,75 --> 00:11:58,80 different going on their property or at their home address can they be suspended 128 00:11:59,01 --> 00:12:03,15 licenses for the other property theoretically yes or that if that is within the 129 00:12:03,16 --> 00:12:03,96 discretion of 130 00:12:03,97 --> 00:12:10,56 a hearing authority Yes All right thanks any further. But 131 00:12:10,66 --> 00:12:12,93 just to be clear that's already 132 00:12:12,97 --> 00:12:19,58 a by law so this five law adjustment is just for still trying those 133 00:12:19,88 --> 00:12:24,60 those requirements they have to be delinquent for twelve months and to be super 134 00:12:24,61 --> 00:12:28,32 clear. If a person or an entity goes into 135 00:12:28,33 --> 00:12:33,63 a payment plan with the collector's office to it because they've fallen out of 136 00:12:33,64 --> 00:12:40,38 behind as. Mr I forget what his name is I misspoke about the other 137 00:12:40,39 --> 00:12:46,70 day. And it would not be imposed. Thank you. 138 00:12:48,37 --> 00:12:54,98 Mr Armstrong. Or. 139 00:13:00,59 --> 00:13:06,88 Or with only for. Only for the word for the old they. 140 00:13:07,98 --> 00:13:14,98 Were Here. In the old place. Yes you don't 141 00:13:14,99 --> 00:13:18,41 have to win this it just may don't have to be delinquent for more than 142 00:13:18,42 --> 00:13:21,63 a year where. There. 143 00:13:28,79 --> 00:13:33,44 Are collectors a thorough way. With 144 00:13:33,45 --> 00:13:40,38 a questionable don't permit. We left the room. That 145 00:13:40,95 --> 00:13:46,49 way. That's true. Thank you for. 146 00:13:50,25 --> 00:13:56,78 Saying no further debate. All those in favor of logical I motion on Article twenty 147 00:13:56,79 --> 00:14:03,05 say aye. And all those opposed. Motion 148 00:14:03,06 --> 00:14:08,91 carries. With majority thought. 149 00:14:13,64 --> 00:14:15,77 And now we go back to Article ten. 150 00:14:28,39 --> 00:14:28,85 One second. 151 00:14:42,80 --> 00:14:43,02 No. 152 00:15:02,10 --> 00:15:07,84 I don't know which motions being with us were just so. I just thought this was fun 153 00:15:07,84 --> 00:15:14,13 . Which of the two is this too 154 00:15:14,59 --> 00:15:17,59 OK. So I don't get this one time. 155 00:15:24,54 --> 00:15:31,46 Right. And. I'm 156 00:15:31,67 --> 00:15:38,09 yes you state your name and your address. Hi everyone Tammy Mary eleven School 157 00:15:38,10 --> 00:15:44,70 Street and the former chair of wage and personnel. Move the to town 158 00:15:44,74 --> 00:15:49,95 amend the wage and personnel by law including the classification and compensation 159 00:15:49,96 --> 00:15:52,58 schedules A B. And C. 160 00:15:52,66 --> 00:15:55,01 Contained therein as printed in 161 00:15:55,02 --> 00:16:00,64 a document entitled proposed town of Kingston wage and personnel by law with twenty 162 00:16:00,65 --> 00:16:05,87 one thousand compensation schedules and that the sum of one hundred five thousand 163 00:16:05,88 --> 00:16:10,29 six hundred sixty dollars be appropriated for this purpose and to meet the 164 00:16:10,30 --> 00:16:16,08 appropriation the son of some of ninety thousand seven twenty four be raised in 165 00:16:16,09 --> 00:16:21,61 appropriated the sum of eight thousand six hundred seventy seven be raised or sorry 166 00:16:21,62 --> 00:16:26,27 be appropriated from water revenue the sum of six thousand one hundred twenty six 167 00:16:26,28 --> 00:16:31,18 dollars be appropriated from waste water revenue and the sum of one hundred thirty 168 00:16:31,19 --> 00:16:35,71 three dollars be appropriated from the community preservation fund estimated 169 00:16:35,72 --> 00:16:40,62 revenue account to fund such amendments and that the town accountant be authorized 170 00:16:40,63 --> 00:16:46,88 to allocate such sums to the appropriate operating budget. I think you in that has 171 00:16:46,89 --> 00:16:51,06 a second question I have here the votes by the voters like 172 00:16:51,07 --> 00:16:55,31 a finance committee with these revoted after this new motion Yes is the Board of 173 00:16:55,32 --> 00:16:59,61 Selectmen is we voted five zero zero favorable Finance Committee was this we voted 174 00:17:00,40 --> 00:17:00,72 this as 175 00:17:00,73 --> 00:17:13,34 a memory voted by Finance Committee. OK All right. OK got it. OK 176 00:17:13,83 --> 00:17:18,71 you may address your motion OK so this article provides for the classification of F 177 00:17:18,72 --> 00:17:23,84 Y twenty one thousand compensation schedules of the Municipal Employees who are not 178 00:17:23,85 --> 00:17:24,37 covered by 179 00:17:24,38 --> 00:17:29,55 a collective bargaining agreement or an employment contract. In two thousand and 180 00:17:29,56 --> 00:17:33,96 fourteen in your old town meaning twenty thousand dollars was allocated to hire 181 00:17:33,97 --> 00:17:38,80 a consultant to look at the salaries for wage and personnel. In late two thousand 182 00:17:38,81 --> 00:17:40,85 and sixteen the project to develop 183 00:17:40,89 --> 00:17:44,36 a classification and compensation study for Schedule B. 184 00:17:44,37 --> 00:17:50,99 To wage and personnel positions went out to bid. The work was awarded to Jacob's 185 00:17:51,00 --> 00:17:54,18 consulting the principal Dawn Jake UPS was 186 00:17:54,19 --> 00:17:57,69 a seasoned municipal professional having completed about seventy five 187 00:17:57,70 --> 00:18:02,72 classifications studies for municipalities throughout the United States many which 188 00:18:02,73 --> 00:18:09,38 are in Massachusetts and the resulting proposal is provided here today the proposed 189 00:18:09,47 --> 00:18:12,74 the proposal provides for five grade classifications with 190 00:18:12,74 --> 00:18:18,92 a ten step minimum to maximum compensation plan. The consolidation of current grade 191 00:18:18,94 --> 00:18:24,51 structures from eleven to five is keeping with an accepted compensation practice. 192 00:18:26,10 --> 00:18:28,60 As one represents positions with 193 00:18:28,60 --> 00:18:34,48 a minimum required skill that work under direct supervision as to are positions 194 00:18:34,50 --> 00:18:41,33 that require experience. I'm sorry degree increase skills as for our department 195 00:18:41,34 --> 00:18:42,99 heads and grade S. 196 00:18:43,00 --> 00:18:48,56 Five our position for department heads that oversee many departments throughout the 197 00:18:48,57 --> 00:18:51,03 town. I know that's 198 00:18:51,04 --> 00:18:54,28 a lot of words and it's really confusing but I think if you look at the pictures in 199 00:18:54,29 --> 00:18:55,27 the book it might help 200 00:18:55,28 --> 00:19:01,06 a little bit. The compensation plan is developed from the salary survey process to 201 00:19:01,07 --> 00:19:01,55 ensure 202 00:19:01,59 --> 00:19:06,56 a competitiveness to the external employment market and to allow the town to recruit 203 00:19:06,57 --> 00:19:07,80 more effectively in 204 00:19:07,81 --> 00:19:13,15 a very changing labor market the plan has increased steps over the current plan in 205 00:19:13,16 --> 00:19:18,60 order to provide for additional growth with an emphasis on better retention and the 206 00:19:18,61 --> 00:19:25,56 existing talent. Normally wage in personnel would be standing before you 207 00:19:25,57 --> 00:19:26,65 and asking for 208 00:19:26,66 --> 00:19:32,08 a annual increase in this case is sixty three thousand nine hundred fifty seven 209 00:19:32,09 --> 00:19:37,22 dollars so the one hundred five six sixty although it's 210 00:19:37,23 --> 00:19:39,55 a larger number really comes down to 211 00:19:39,56 --> 00:19:45,81 a difference of forty one thousand seven hundred three dollars. There have been 212 00:19:45,82 --> 00:19:49,98 questions and I'll just address them upfront before I stop actually do you mind to 213 00:19:49,99 --> 00:19:54,31 step back on that and just explain that because I did follow where you went from OK 214 00:19:54,32 --> 00:19:59,20 one hundred five to three thousand increase is really funny one so our request 215 00:19:59,21 --> 00:20:04,20 today is for one hundred five six sixty. If we did nothing and didn't do this 216 00:20:04,21 --> 00:20:07,56 reclassification this year we'd be at skiing for sixty three thousand nine hundred 217 00:20:07,57 --> 00:20:11,90 fifty seven difference being forty one thousand seven hundred three dollars which 218 00:20:11,91 --> 00:20:13,19 would bring the salaries up to 219 00:20:13,20 --> 00:20:19,41 a competitive rate. Got it thank you OK and then to finish I just wanted to point 220 00:20:19,45 --> 00:20:24,09 out that out of the twenty eight positions that are categorized in the 221 00:20:24,10 --> 00:20:27,85 reclassification study sixteen of them have been here for 222 00:20:27,86 --> 00:20:33,32 a year or less many of the people in those sixteen positions have left for other 223 00:20:33,33 --> 00:20:39,90 municipal jobs that have larger salaries. Thank you. 224 00:20:46,66 --> 00:20:47,44 I mean if they found. 225 00:20:53,74 --> 00:20:58,17 OK. You're either in line people you know that's fine I'll put you back and then 226 00:20:58,70 --> 00:21:05,32 you later. OK I just want to reiterate something that Tami just said when I first 227 00:21:05,33 --> 00:21:11,21 looked at this article I wasn't for it because I misunderstood it so my goal here 228 00:21:11,22 --> 00:21:16,11 is to clarify it and repeat something that she just said if you'll just bear with 229 00:21:16,12 --> 00:21:22,86 me. These people are non contractual and non union people at the will of the body 230 00:21:22,92 --> 00:21:29,86 basically for their salaries. One hundred five six sixty. You have to 231 00:21:29,87 --> 00:21:35,13 understand that we would be asking you for about sixty four thousand dollars 232 00:21:35,28 --> 00:21:41,44 anyways without the reclassification and what you're being asked tonight is to 233 00:21:42,24 --> 00:21:48,04 vote on their basic salaries but also add forty one thousand dollars to that to 234 00:21:48,05 --> 00:21:48,74 give them 235 00:21:48,78 --> 00:21:55,23 a wage so that we can retain professionals and that's what we're trying to do we've 236 00:21:55,24 --> 00:21:55,48 lost 237 00:21:55,49 --> 00:21:59,51 a lot of good professionals because they go all the door and they get ten to twenty 238 00:21:59,52 --> 00:22:03,86 thousand dollars more right off the bat and so what we're trying to do is retain 239 00:22:03,87 --> 00:22:08,62 our professionals and basically all we're asking you to do is increase the basic 240 00:22:08,63 --> 00:22:15,45 salary of these people Bice forty one thousand dollars thank you thank you. 241 00:22:22,84 --> 00:22:25,23 Mr Bunce that. It was 242 00:22:25,24 --> 00:22:31,83 a revolver. So I was on the way for personal field. 243 00:22:33,04 --> 00:22:39,32 Just like we have your agreement with the unions if you go walk to the center here 244 00:22:39,32 --> 00:22:45,51 . It's usually very good he will consent that he's gone who the cost of living 245 00:22:46,13 --> 00:22:51,78 increases they go. Whether they're good will you go so I have 246 00:22:51,79 --> 00:22:58,39 a problem with this I don't believe he will lose the dollar because other people 247 00:22:58,46 --> 00:23:02,05 will offer more work on your mom 248 00:23:02,06 --> 00:23:08,35 a parachute we're together you know where I'm probably lost twenty year employee 249 00:23:08,98 --> 00:23:14,34 go through shady that we're going to get here with your time on the wheel account 250 00:23:14,35 --> 00:23:21,19 of pain to be. OK Thought I'd rather come back or maybe for maybe 251 00:23:21,20 --> 00:23:25,65 a zero on admitted to the other three percent increase for the Seders the union 252 00:23:25,66 --> 00:23:30,97 people get. There we all work we all who are you know we see 253 00:23:30,98 --> 00:23:35,58 a player probably does a pal ethe you know they get raises every single year plus 254 00:23:35,59 --> 00:23:40,60 a little bit here soon you have whether employer you know. I work on 255 00:23:40,61 --> 00:23:42,88 a lot of people who are coming here who are going to be 256 00:23:42,89 --> 00:23:47,28 a lot of people here possibly with every year working on American creases in the 257 00:23:47,32 --> 00:23:49,29 paper but they seem to miss 258 00:23:49,30 --> 00:23:53,94 a pal I do we need to stop and if you want to you know even she would love the kind 259 00:23:53,95 --> 00:24:00,44 of hope you know we feel with the people who paid. So whether 260 00:24:00,99 --> 00:24:05,49 we can discuss this all the Americans will point to the same action figure needed I 261 00:24:05,50 --> 00:24:09,78 think and to move represent Well no but I may permitted to change 262 00:24:09,79 --> 00:24:15,67 a two or three percent increase across the board. OK And if you're making that 263 00:24:15,68 --> 00:24:21,99 motion then I need to come down Frank to make that motion to write it out. I'm 264 00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:24,89 going to let you explain that because we need to go back. To what are the 265 00:24:24,90 --> 00:24:30,30 classification where has it if not get ready to go yet Oh thank you it just. 266 00:24:32,37 --> 00:24:37,15 Gives. Me. 267 00:24:47,16 --> 00:24:53,88 It would mean to me to since this is me Jeanne Moos. Has the six humans the fifty. 268 00:24:56,10 --> 00:25:02,66 No. Suits this is two percent you can. Not 269 00:25:02,95 --> 00:25:09,65 name them where you don't yet. That is the 270 00:25:10,13 --> 00:25:16,72 so also in point is that in their hundreds and in the. Right 271 00:25:17,23 --> 00:25:22,47 as if this is two percent. Or does it Mr Stevens can you come forward for one 272 00:25:22,48 --> 00:25:28,12 minute please. On the second. 273 00:25:29,15 --> 00:25:29,82 Motion. 274 00:25:45,71 --> 00:25:50,21 Yes. If. 275 00:25:58,25 --> 00:26:01,82 You want but when probably gentlemen that we're dealing with is that in order to 276 00:26:01,83 --> 00:26:06,20 amend a motion you have to figure it do you know I mean we have to actually vote 277 00:26:06,21 --> 00:26:10,57 a sum of money in this one so the issue becomes is we don't have the figure for 278 00:26:10,58 --> 00:26:12,16 three percent for just 279 00:26:12,17 --> 00:26:15,40 a colar increase because one of the things that happens for everybody to just 280 00:26:15,41 --> 00:26:18,78 understand under the age of personnel people already have and 281 00:26:18,79 --> 00:26:22,94 a prior classifications people already have stepping creases that are going to 282 00:26:22,95 --> 00:26:27,97 occur in. And then they have obviously colas you know that the cost of living 283 00:26:27,98 --> 00:26:32,33 increases so the issue becomes is that we don't have the calculation for three 284 00:26:32,34 --> 00:26:39,05 percent. I know we do know but that's that is so 285 00:26:39,37 --> 00:26:41,75 I don't mean different what is losers you know. 286 00:26:47,74 --> 00:26:51,22 Well. If you if you divide it. 287 00:26:56,37 --> 00:26:56,61 Because. 288 00:27:04,58 --> 00:27:05,00 You know. 289 00:27:47,39 --> 00:27:47,68 Yes. 290 00:27:55,87 --> 00:27:56,07 I mean. 291 00:28:12,99 --> 00:28:19,53 That moderator point of order the change of steps I'm so going to yes. Yes Or your 292 00:28:19,54 --> 00:28:25,94 point of order. Stanton Grant Richards twenty two Brook Street. Am I wrong in that 293 00:28:25,95 --> 00:28:30,28 it says in the book consider that there's no pages but the second floor last page 294 00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:37,77 that the schedule includes an increase of two percent already. It does that's on 295 00:28:37,78 --> 00:28:44,02 the new classification. The two percent is only on part time employees OK 296 00:28:44,84 --> 00:28:51,48 So that forty thousand does not include the the the two percent or doesn't code to 297 00:28:51,49 --> 00:28:57,62 two percent. Well one one second because we're not going there yet in regard to 298 00:28:57,63 --> 00:29:02,30 that I know you're saying we got to the numbers he's calculated all the numbers on 299 00:29:02,34 --> 00:29:06,87 him one more going to rely on him and we got to that we'll go back to that after 300 00:29:06,88 --> 00:29:10,57 depending upon what happens so if you can just hold come back right because it's 301 00:29:10,58 --> 00:29:11,77 not really a point of order it's 302 00:29:11,78 --> 00:29:25,31 a debate. You 303 00:29:25,40 --> 00:29:28,34 know she's saying it was then we suspended get the numbers. 304 00:29:33,66 --> 00:29:36,39 No we wouldn't you be doing a temperature not 305 00:29:36,40 --> 00:29:41,69 a vote and that's what I'm apprehensive about. The question is this is whether or 306 00:29:41,70 --> 00:29:46,64 not the the it would be unorthodox but to get 307 00:29:46,65 --> 00:29:50,34 a temperature of the room and then if the temperature of the room was that here 308 00:29:50,35 --> 00:29:55,30 they're interested in this and would suspend go to and get him number and be able 309 00:29:55,31 --> 00:30:01,97 to. Because like I said there's an issue with time. But you 310 00:30:01,98 --> 00:30:08,12 can't. They want to I don't want any of that out of this article I'm going to you 311 00:30:08,13 --> 00:30:10,27 know just letting them know that's the risk. 312 00:30:31,19 --> 00:30:31,59 The people. 313 00:31:01,83 --> 00:31:02,24 And. 314 00:31:19,74 --> 00:31:26,68 He. Isn't gentleman Mr von SEC is withdrawing 315 00:31:26,69 --> 00:31:33,22 his motion. Right because it wasn't 316 00:31:33,23 --> 00:31:38,54 a call and. He's withdrawn his motion because the issue came into play is that what 317 00:31:38,55 --> 00:31:42,16 he was looking to propose was to do a three percent to everyone X. 318 00:31:42,20 --> 00:31:46,79 And then and then whatever the color is the color is you just can't do that that's 319 00:31:46,80 --> 00:31:52,77 what you just said. You just said that then I will withdraw Aren't you not 320 00:31:52,78 --> 00:31:58,30 withdrawing. OK Well then what you're proposing is. 321 00:32:00,03 --> 00:32:01,76 Three percent across the board is 322 00:32:01,77 --> 00:32:07,39 a cola. OK Well that's what I asked you and you said no I said Are you asking for 323 00:32:07,40 --> 00:32:09,09 three percent COLA increase. 324 00:32:15,84 --> 00:32:19,83 OK. So he's not withdrawing his motion it's now 325 00:32:20,01 --> 00:32:23,98 a motion to amend what did you write I need to see the motion because that was what 326 00:32:23,99 --> 00:32:25,29 I understood the motion to be 327 00:32:25,84 --> 00:32:32,77 a three percent cost of living increase right. You know. 328 00:32:34,96 --> 00:32:41,44 He says just. Distance. Right but there is no 329 00:32:42,28 --> 00:32:47,97 but the prior Byler exist. It's not amended if it's the it doesn't pass the viler 330 00:32:47,98 --> 00:32:54,02 still in place so what you're proposing you can't do it's not yeah if you can't do 331 00:32:54,03 --> 00:32:59,45 it it's just in it's an impossibility to do because of the fact that. Because of 332 00:32:59,46 --> 00:33:01,32 the fact that it's you looking to do 333 00:33:01,33 --> 00:33:07,22 a three percent and no steps is what you're saying and the steps are already in the 334 00:33:07,23 --> 00:33:07,52 bottle. 335 00:33:19,33 --> 00:33:19,57 From 336 00:33:19,78 --> 00:34:21,40 a proposed amendment to the wage. You 337 00:34:21,41 --> 00:34:21,46 know. 338 00:34:34,66 --> 00:34:41,29 All right gentlemen if I may. This is going to you by the way this is 339 00:34:41,78 --> 00:34:43,54 presented to me is Section eight which is 340 00:34:43,55 --> 00:34:50,29 a member of the by law in under Section eight subsection. And he has that and we go 341 00:34:50,30 --> 00:34:51,15 all the way back to. 342 00:34:58,21 --> 00:35:03,44 OK So the way Jim personnel by law Tony Kingston's wage and personnel by law. 343 00:35:05,98 --> 00:35:11,75 Section eight subsection reads any proposed amendment to the wage in personnel by 344 00:35:11,76 --> 00:35:16,62 law cannot be presented at town meeting without its having been submitted to the 345 00:35:16,64 --> 00:35:21,69 board within the prescribed time limit any requests which were submitted to the 346 00:35:21,69 --> 00:35:26,08 board within the prescribed time limit and upon which the boy did not act favorably 347 00:35:26,27 --> 00:35:31,75 may be presented by the requestor at town meeting so in regard to that so I guess 348 00:35:31,76 --> 00:35:38,05 my question is. No you can't do it that's right it's when you're down but my 349 00:35:38,06 --> 00:35:44,49 question is then. You're proposing an 350 00:35:44,50 --> 00:35:49,52 amendment that I got at five minutes of seven tonight has it been presented in 351 00:35:49,53 --> 00:35:54,87 weight in voted by the way to personnel boy. Yes she's used She's moving this is 352 00:35:55,18 --> 00:36:01,57 they're moving the their motion was and he will he says the first. They're saying 353 00:36:01,58 --> 00:36:02,88 the motion was on the table 354 00:36:02,89 --> 00:36:08,43 a couple of days ago the numbers changed the the numbers of the motion the motion 355 00:36:08,47 --> 00:36:13,21 the motion is presented for the first time tonight so that's when the motion 356 00:36:13,22 --> 00:36:17,91 becomes affected so they're not presenting an amendment they're presenting their 357 00:36:17,92 --> 00:36:22,45 initial motion they're seeking to amend the wage and personnel by law so now this 358 00:36:22,46 --> 00:36:27,33 and I'm just asking my question is this was this motion voted by the wage 359 00:36:27,34 --> 00:36:34,26 a person down to present Why does what was voted previously was what we've 360 00:36:34,27 --> 00:36:39,43 had and then what we got I'm just I'm trying to be clear that if that's happening I 361 00:36:39,44 --> 00:36:43,78 just need to not have wage and personnel voted in favor of this we had higher 362 00:36:43,79 --> 00:36:48,88 numbers all along the numbers that we had earlier last week were lower than the 363 00:36:48,89 --> 00:36:55,45 numbers wage and personnel had. OK So 364 00:36:56,00 --> 00:37:01,45 you're saying that the theory was voted but the numbers were not right yes yes. 365 00:37:03,84 --> 00:37:07,47 That's I mean the reason I put the number is yeah the numbers which are very voting 366 00:37:07,82 --> 00:37:14,51 we classify them in them the actual numbers which I know. Everybody met on 367 00:37:14,52 --> 00:37:21,40 Monday I'm aware that many men on Monday. OK. OK Well 368 00:37:21,41 --> 00:37:23,66 that is what it is you can't make it. 369 00:37:30,38 --> 00:37:33,67 Yet you know you have you're limited because you're already close on your two 370 00:37:33,68 --> 00:37:38,63 minutes and unfortunately wiped it out as we moved on from it so and so yeah you 371 00:37:38,64 --> 00:37:43,39 can just address it. And I apologize for all this time taking this up but. 372 00:37:45,15 --> 00:37:48,42 Everybody should be you know that the whole thing is ball being equal so everybody 373 00:37:48,43 --> 00:37:53,99 should be equally treated in the town. Voting on this the way it is right now some 374 00:37:54,00 --> 00:37:57,56 people will get a ten percent increase could be up to like one thousand dollars 375 00:37:57,57 --> 00:38:03,06 a year OK I know we all want to make as much money as we can but we all the ones 376 00:38:03,07 --> 00:38:08,79 paying for and they get all the benefits of it in my eyes so I think we vote this 377 00:38:08,80 --> 00:38:14,67 down and let them come up with what the usual way are they they have done it in the 378 00:38:14,68 --> 00:38:19,45 past not try to be equal with all the times because like I said other towns could 379 00:38:19,46 --> 00:38:24,84 be paying higher to begin with so I would appreciate if you voted down Thank you 380 00:38:25,43 --> 00:38:30,92 thank you Mr Bines that Vista Kalter. And me and I'm up to you thank you madam 381 00:38:30,93 --> 00:38:35,31 moderator. The gentleman is entitle to his own opinion no one will take that away 382 00:38:35,32 --> 00:38:39,06 he's not entitled to his own facts there's no one getting 383 00:38:39,07 --> 00:38:42,61 a nine thousand dollar increase the reason this wage 384 00:38:42,62 --> 00:38:48,26 a personal recommendation is put forth is because we are in fact losing good people 385 00:38:48,45 --> 00:38:53,51 who are going to other towns and getting double digit paying creases at this town 386 00:38:53,52 --> 00:38:53,76 meeting 387 00:38:53,77 --> 00:38:57,21 a year ago the complaint with the management of this town is they couldn't keep 388 00:38:57,22 --> 00:39:02,62 good people. That was the complaint of this town meeting the cost of bringing in 389 00:39:02,63 --> 00:39:05,36 new people training them and having them leave in 390 00:39:05,37 --> 00:39:08,81 a year two years three years because they can get another ten fifteen twenty 391 00:39:08,82 --> 00:39:14,51 percent elsewhere is not a good proposition for this top all the wage 392 00:39:14,52 --> 00:39:19,91 a personal committee is doing is after years of study analysis and professional 393 00:39:19,92 --> 00:39:26,89 consultation. Is proposing wages not at the top of the market not at the bottom 394 00:39:26,89 --> 00:39:31,35 of the market where we are in many classifications but in the middle of the market 395 00:39:31,71 --> 00:39:34,89 where we can look our employees in the eye and say we're paying you 396 00:39:34,94 --> 00:39:38,36 a fair wage when good Kingston become 397 00:39:38,38 --> 00:39:43,85 a place where we don't want to be fair particularly with our own employees which 398 00:39:43,86 --> 00:39:44,15 spent 399 00:39:44,16 --> 00:39:49,22 a lot of time on the issue of parity and I would remind the gentleman that spoke if 400 00:39:49,23 --> 00:39:54,13 we're going to have an honest debate we have to use real data his opinion is 401 00:39:54,14 --> 00:40:00,86 valuable but he can't bring his own facts to that gunfight Thank you. Thank you Mr 402 00:40:00,87 --> 00:40:06,12 called their man. The Rangers yo forty two went through St. 403 00:40:07,53 --> 00:40:14,42 OK. Better yes OK forty two went through St and Mr 404 00:40:14,43 --> 00:40:19,68 Kalter couldn't have put it any better than I would have said it myself I believe 405 00:40:19,69 --> 00:40:23,80 that the time meeting voted in appropriated funds for 406 00:40:23,81 --> 00:40:27,82 a compensation study I must admit I'm a fairly new resident I've only been here 407 00:40:27,83 --> 00:40:30,09 a couple of years but they put 408 00:40:30,13 --> 00:40:35,48 a lot of time and effort into that compensation study and the wage and personnel by 409 00:40:35,49 --> 00:40:39,32 law committee put in time and effort into that study and this is what they came up 410 00:40:39,33 --> 00:40:46,09 with and if their recommendation is is thought out as the study then we have no 411 00:40:46,10 --> 00:40:52,90 choice but to support it in good conscience and you do lose good people cuz they do 412 00:40:52,91 --> 00:40:59,76 pay better in other towns there's no doubt about that but to to say that the 413 00:40:59,77 --> 00:41:06,53 money that you're paying your employees is too much or too little without facts is 414 00:41:06,57 --> 00:41:13,51 is an unfair statement but you should agree well I apologize you 415 00:41:13,52 --> 00:41:18,08 should listen to Mr call to what he said I couldn't say it any better than how he 416 00:41:18,09 --> 00:41:24,92 said it thank you thank you and people in the back there standing please thank 417 00:41:24,93 --> 00:41:31,03 you Mr Keating. They've. 418 00:41:32,62 --> 00:41:38,65 Been sort. So of course you know everyone is entitled to their own opinions but we 419 00:41:38,66 --> 00:41:42,86 want to have facts I think that's what everyone is entitled to hear and it's been 420 00:41:42,90 --> 00:41:48,02 quite a lot of discussion about people leaving due to compensation and we took 421 00:41:48,03 --> 00:41:48,75 a we took 422 00:41:48,76 --> 00:41:53,21 a look at the theory and we're not finding any evidence to support that now there's 423 00:41:53,22 --> 00:41:57,49 thirty positions listed on this plan of which twelve of these employees have left 424 00:41:57,67 --> 00:42:03,01 Kingston in the past eighteen months OK So let's let's get to the facts five 425 00:42:03,02 --> 00:42:09,89 retired they did not get higher paying jobs one was terminated one was promoted 426 00:42:10,39 --> 00:42:15,10 one left and came back at the same pay rate one left in publicly expressing 427 00:42:15,11 --> 00:42:18,91 frustration with management not his pay one who apparently left for 428 00:42:18,92 --> 00:42:24,21 a lower paying job in another community and one lever reasons that are not entirely 429 00:42:24,22 --> 00:42:30,26 clear so I've G.'s that leaves just one person left due to pay OK And in the cases 430 00:42:30,27 --> 00:42:35,39 where the employees left new ones have all been hired at rates of pay agreeable to 431 00:42:35,40 --> 00:42:40,92 those employees but now we're proposing to adjust them upward this could result in 432 00:42:40,93 --> 00:42:45,47 an unnecessary wage inflation so we need to be really careful here and analyze the 433 00:42:45,48 --> 00:42:50,20 impact of this and I think we would all agree that our employees deserve to be paid 434 00:42:50,32 --> 00:42:56,54 appropriately but we need to be fair and sustainable compensation models both for 435 00:42:56,55 --> 00:43:03,49 our employees and for you and I the taxpayers and also keep in mind that these 436 00:43:03,50 --> 00:43:08,16 compensation increases that you're hearing about tonight the actual figures are 437 00:43:08,17 --> 00:43:12,84 going to become more and more substantial in time as 438 00:43:12,85 --> 00:43:19,29 a result of compound OK so it's going to get worse we're going to pay more. You're 439 00:43:19,30 --> 00:43:24,32 going to pay more taxes and I'd argue that were presented here today with 440 00:43:24,66 --> 00:43:27,24 incomplete facts and we're trying to clear that up 441 00:43:27,43 --> 00:43:33,79 a plan and we recommend be delayed until the fall meeting. We hope that you vote no 442 00:43:33,80 --> 00:43:40,64 tonight thank you. Thank you that's right. And OK thank 443 00:43:40,65 --> 00:43:44,22 you that reminded me of something I wanted to mention one of the things in our 444 00:43:44,23 --> 00:43:50,18 current wage in personnel by law that exists today is that if somebody if somebody 445 00:43:50,19 --> 00:43:54,05 does leave because of their pay rate a new person can be hired at 446 00:43:54,06 --> 00:43:59,15 a higher pay rate you guys have no control over that it's in the by law what this 447 00:43:59,16 --> 00:44:01,56 plan does is it puts everybody at 448 00:44:01,57 --> 00:44:07,95 a market at close to market equity range so that that wouldn't happen if somebody 449 00:44:07,96 --> 00:44:11,29 left because they had a lower pay rate they wouldn't be started at 450 00:44:11,30 --> 00:44:16,69 a higher pay rate because of experience they'd be started in the hiring range the I 451 00:44:16,70 --> 00:44:20,58 just want to clarify something with the steps in the first three steps yes the 452 00:44:20,59 --> 00:44:21,15 percentage is 453 00:44:21,16 --> 00:44:25,84 a little higher but then it goes down for the rest of the tenure of the employee So 454 00:44:25,85 --> 00:44:29,28 it's different from the current step structure in that fashion where everybody gets 455 00:44:29,29 --> 00:44:32,10 the same percentage increase every step. 456 00:44:38,29 --> 00:44:43,34 I mean Stalin and then I have Miss Woodward and then. That's just 457 00:44:43,35 --> 00:44:48,02 a Fonso Mr Howell thank you Daniel Harlow thirty one how is Lane Just with regard 458 00:44:48,03 --> 00:44:52,94 to the Finance Committee. I don't know if Mr Keating was speaking on behalf of the 459 00:44:52,95 --> 00:44:57,48 Finance Committee or if there was more that could be elaborated on because it's it 460 00:44:57,49 --> 00:44:57,65 was 461 00:44:57,66 --> 00:45:02,13 a zero four one on the old numbers and I know that they haven't been able to vote 462 00:45:02,14 --> 00:45:07,43 on the new numbers because they were just presented so I don't know if there there 463 00:45:07,44 --> 00:45:11,45 was anything that could be I guess elaborate on why the original numbers were being 464 00:45:11,45 --> 00:45:17,13 . Well the new number the old numbers were because we realized that there was 465 00:45:17,17 --> 00:45:22,18 a civic errors that were made in the the numbers that we had last week so they were 466 00:45:22,19 --> 00:45:26,54 reworked by the Treasurer of the board of selectmen and on administrative Finance 467 00:45:26,55 --> 00:45:30,44 Committee they all those numbers were works so that these are the now current 468 00:45:30,45 --> 00:45:34,38 numbers that work with what they're looking to change just so you know OK. 469 00:45:37,46 --> 00:45:43,58 Canon MacKinnon thank you so I completely forgot. That once or twice. 470 00:45:44,94 --> 00:45:47,26 Thank you. This this is 471 00:45:47,27 --> 00:45:51,77 a difficult article not only because it proposes sweeping changes to our 472 00:45:51,78 --> 00:45:55,07 compensation plan but also because it affects 473 00:45:55,11 --> 00:46:00,26 a group of our valued employees and when we talk about compensation there's an 474 00:46:00,27 --> 00:46:02,72 emotional attachment to it so it becomes 475 00:46:02,78 --> 00:46:06,54 a challenge the Finance Committee has not had an opportunity as 476 00:46:06,55 --> 00:46:10,56 a full board to review the final numbers and as you heard they just came out this 477 00:46:10,57 --> 00:46:15,93 week and in terms of the the final impact however it is important for you to know 478 00:46:15,94 --> 00:46:21,16 what we know in terms of facts so let me go through some of the issues. When we 479 00:46:21,17 --> 00:46:26,04 look at this compensation plan over fifteen percent of the positions Ari receiving 480 00:46:26,05 --> 00:46:29,97 an increase of over five percent and there are several that are receiving an 481 00:46:30,01 --> 00:46:34,80 increase of over ten percent. It would be helpful if you guys had 482 00:46:34,81 --> 00:46:39,40 a copy of the sheet so you could see this data the second issue is that there are 483 00:46:39,41 --> 00:46:44,47 some positions that were not included in the study that perhaps should have been 484 00:46:44,90 --> 00:46:46,15 for example we have 485 00:46:46,16 --> 00:46:50,77 a twenty one year veteran member of our staff who works twenty four hours 486 00:46:50,78 --> 00:46:53,87 a week it is not a seasonal position it's not a per D.M. 487 00:46:53,88 --> 00:46:59,74 Position and this particular position is not included in the study and we would 488 00:46:59,75 --> 00:47:03,05 question why not so because it was not included as 489 00:47:03,06 --> 00:47:07,41 a salaried position it's not getting the adjustment that all the other employees 490 00:47:07,42 --> 00:47:11,70 are getting that his particular position is only getting the two percent COLA 491 00:47:12,31 --> 00:47:16,08 number three the pay scale that shown in the back of your book indicates that in 492 00:47:16,09 --> 00:47:20,65 the earlier years of the plan as Tammy had indicated employees would receive step 493 00:47:20,66 --> 00:47:25,68 increases between five point two and seven point four percent and it was explained 494 00:47:25,69 --> 00:47:31,53 earlier this week that those more aggressive accelerated step increases are in 495 00:47:31,57 --> 00:47:37,25 order to attract and retain new employees and pay them higher rates of pay or 496 00:47:37,26 --> 00:47:42,02 higher step increases in order to keep them here when they're out there still 497 00:47:42,03 --> 00:47:47,89 learning but then when we look at the along the outer steps of the scale the 498 00:47:47,90 --> 00:47:52,47 percentage increase for our veterans are more seasoned more experienced employees 499 00:47:52,75 --> 00:47:57,67 is comparably smaller so it would appear as though we're somehow penalizing people 500 00:47:57,68 --> 00:48:02,26 for having the experience and the wisdom in their positions and that's unfortunate 501 00:48:02,27 --> 00:48:04,80 because we have over ten department heads that have 502 00:48:04,81 --> 00:48:10,49 a collective average tenure of more than eighteen years each and I'd like to see 503 00:48:10,50 --> 00:48:16,73 them continue to stay here it was also communicated to us this week that if this 504 00:48:16,74 --> 00:48:20,17 plan was adopted that there would be no need to apply 505 00:48:20,21 --> 00:48:25,45 a few. COLA to the wage and personnel salary employees and if that's truly the case 506 00:48:25,46 --> 00:48:29,43 then I would argue that the by laws needs to be amended tonight to include that 507 00:48:29,44 --> 00:48:34,80 language so that we're not debating it next year. Number five many communities 508 00:48:34,89 --> 00:48:35,40 often have 509 00:48:35,41 --> 00:48:40,14 a phase in provision for substantial compensation changes they try to accomplish 510 00:48:40,15 --> 00:48:40,51 them over 511 00:48:40,52 --> 00:48:45,20 a two or three year period in order to minimize the impact on the residents who pay 512 00:48:45,21 --> 00:48:47,30 for those increases and that might be 513 00:48:47,31 --> 00:48:51,91 a an appropriate course of action for us to consider in fact Plymouth has recently 514 00:48:51,92 --> 00:48:56,28 come completed their compensation study just this past August and in the 515 00:48:56,29 --> 00:49:01,37 consultants final report delivered to the town of Plymouth that says if the plan is 516 00:49:01,38 --> 00:49:04,43 too costly to do in one fiscal year than the consultants recommend 517 00:49:04,44 --> 00:49:10,80 a two year implementation period. Number six this compensation plan looks at direct 518 00:49:10,84 --> 00:49:15,67 compensation but does it take into consideration the value of our benefits for 519 00:49:15,68 --> 00:49:20,24 total compensation plan. Number seven it was stated that the plaintiffs ask how 520 00:49:20,25 --> 00:49:25,03 many you have to more cuz I was hired as your kind of rep and so wrap it up it was 521 00:49:25,04 --> 00:49:29,04 stated that the plan brings us into parity with other Plymouth County or other 522 00:49:29,05 --> 00:49:33,28 communities and again the question is Where does it bring us in comparison to those 523 00:49:33,29 --> 00:49:38,43 communities are we in the top ten or are we in the top five it's simply unclear we 524 00:49:38,48 --> 00:49:43,87 are not entirely sure and this particular plan does not bring us closer to the 525 00:49:43,88 --> 00:49:48,96 merit based paste system that we so desperately need here in the town of Kingston 526 00:49:48,97 --> 00:49:51,24 So the study that was authorized 527 00:49:51,25 --> 00:49:54,90 a couple years ago my understanding is that there are seven thousand dollars left 528 00:49:54,91 --> 00:49:59,27 in that particular article and we may want to consider reinvesting those funds in 529 00:49:59,28 --> 00:50:00,13 order to develop 530 00:50:00,14 --> 00:50:06,64 a bylaw that gets us to the merit based pay system that we desperately need so 531 00:50:06,68 --> 00:50:10,96 while this proposal has been several years in the making there are some issues or 532 00:50:10,97 --> 00:50:15,26 are still questions with it and so it doesn't seem entirely ready to present 533 00:50:15,27 --> 00:50:19,73 a town meeting and in fact at the meeting that we did have on on Monday Mr culture 534 00:50:19,74 --> 00:50:24,60 had propose. That the article be delayed until fall town meeting and I would ask 535 00:50:24,61 --> 00:50:28,84 that we all support Mr culture's recommendation in doing that so that we can 536 00:50:28,85 --> 00:50:31,52 finalize these details and make sure that we come up with 537 00:50:31,53 --> 00:50:35,28 a fair and equitable plan Thank you no thank you I missed 538 00:50:35,29 --> 00:50:40,19 a hollow back to you with thank you. So I appreciate the explanation I didn't 539 00:50:40,23 --> 00:50:44,49 expect it to be as and. Again I don't understand I was 540 00:50:44,50 --> 00:50:48,72 a public body were voting on numbers that were even really presented at the first 541 00:50:48,78 --> 00:50:54,11 meeting and then it got. Bumped to tonight's meeting and the numbers are just being 542 00:50:54,12 --> 00:50:59,77 presented to the public now. Again I just don't understand how that how that that's 543 00:50:59,78 --> 00:51:04,38 acceptable in in the public's mind to vote favorably to something I also don't 544 00:51:04,39 --> 00:51:06,90 understand how if it was based on 545 00:51:06,91 --> 00:51:11,09 a study from two thousand and fourteen. How do the numbers change since the May 546 00:51:11,10 --> 00:51:17,53 fifth number. I know there was factual errors but it gets back to did the study but 547 00:51:17,54 --> 00:51:21,94 did the company that we hired to do this study did they find the factual errors or 548 00:51:21,95 --> 00:51:26,08 did we find the factual errors I dunno I think you're wrong on that and this money 549 00:51:26,09 --> 00:51:29,31 can address that but I got the numbers last week had nothing to do with the study 550 00:51:29,32 --> 00:51:30,54 in the I was 551 00:51:30,55 --> 00:51:36,29 a Ms Mary so when we first ran our numbers in wage and personnel we came out with 552 00:51:36,30 --> 00:51:40,32 a very high number we got numbers from the Treasurer's office going through the 553 00:51:40,33 --> 00:51:43,21 payroll system that showed the difference we were looking for the difference 554 00:51:43,22 --> 00:51:46,99 between what somebody would get if we did nothing and what somebody would get if we 555 00:51:47,00 --> 00:51:48,82 did this it took 556 00:51:48,86 --> 00:51:52,60 a lot of back and forth over many weeks to get the numbers that we were provided 557 00:51:52,61 --> 00:51:59,49 with yesterday. Thank you Mr Howard I'm sure and I'll wrap up 558 00:52:00,37 --> 00:52:06,58 but I appreciate Mr McKinnon facts I appreciate Mr Keating scratch on. Why 559 00:52:06,59 --> 00:52:12,25 employees of have left that being said again I have great concern because if my 560 00:52:12,26 --> 00:52:16,64 numbers are correct I believe there's been one department that received 561 00:52:16,65 --> 00:52:19,93 a thirty four percent increase in pay since twenty fourteen in the receiving 562 00:52:19,94 --> 00:52:25,21 another five percent plus this year again that's unsustainable I would encourage 563 00:52:25,22 --> 00:52:28,85 everybody to vote no on this wage and personal article thank you thank you Mr 564 00:52:28,86 --> 00:52:32,71 hollow I know how this would. Look I'm following. 565 00:52:38,77 --> 00:52:41,27 This would work so I made you 566 00:52:41,28 --> 00:52:47,71 a wooden board and the right. Susan would worth one thirty six gross street and I 567 00:52:47,72 --> 00:52:50,44 have been to Kingston resident for more than twenty six years in 568 00:52:50,48 --> 00:52:54,15 a department head for our town for over one thousand years I have tremendous 569 00:52:54,16 --> 00:52:59,08 integrity and professionalism incredible work ethic and I work to create fiscal 570 00:52:59,09 --> 00:53:04,24 responsibility and have created fiscal opportunities we're talking about some facts 571 00:53:04,25 --> 00:53:08,54 so I'd like to share some with you the majority of wage and personnel employees is 572 00:53:08,55 --> 00:53:12,95 comprise. Ised of your department heads your leaders of your organization's the 573 00:53:12,96 --> 00:53:17,11 individuals responsible and expected to manage all the work being voted at this 574 00:53:17,12 --> 00:53:21,68 town meeting the Kingston Town and employees union contracts are reviewed and 575 00:53:21,69 --> 00:53:26,92 revised every three years therefore their compensation compensation schedule is 576 00:53:26,93 --> 00:53:32,83 reviewed every three years another fact wage and personnel employees have gone more 577 00:53:32,84 --> 00:53:38,57 than twenty years without a compensation review twenty years without any type of 578 00:53:38,58 --> 00:53:43,09 a review other than the normal standard increase the current wage and personnel 579 00:53:43,10 --> 00:53:47,03 compensation schedule is in equitable among them please and I'll give you 580 00:53:47,04 --> 00:53:47,94 a personal fact 581 00:53:48,43 --> 00:53:52,40 a dollar amount was given at Saudis town meeting for the average department head 582 00:53:52,41 --> 00:53:56,84 salary to be about seventy seven thousand dollars per year I would like to indicate 583 00:53:56,90 --> 00:53:57,27 that I've been 584 00:53:57,28 --> 00:54:02,15 a department head for over nineteen years I make currently six thousand dollars 585 00:54:02,22 --> 00:54:07,57 less than the average department head in this town so this is not about my salary 586 00:54:07,62 --> 00:54:12,55 but it is an indication of the inequities of our current compensation schedule 587 00:54:12,62 --> 00:54:16,89 which is what we're talking about it the average for department heads is seventy 588 00:54:16,90 --> 00:54:21,90 seven thousand dollars and the second longest serving department head see is Stuart 589 00:54:21,91 --> 00:54:24,82 the library director has a longer standing of 590 00:54:24,83 --> 00:54:29,26 a full time department head the NIH is making approximately six thousand dollars 591 00:54:29,27 --> 00:54:35,14 less than the average for our own organization that fact is an indicator of the an 592 00:54:35,62 --> 00:54:40,99 inherent inequity in the current compensation schedule as people have already said 593 00:54:41,10 --> 00:54:47,27 people have left we have lost history experience and town knowledge. The fact as 594 00:54:47,28 --> 00:54:49,66 new employees are hired they will have 595 00:54:49,67 --> 00:54:53,88 a learning curve period needed to understand the processes and procedures to 596 00:54:53,89 --> 00:54:58,85 understand how the department works during this process productivity decreases 597 00:54:59,19 --> 00:55:04,92 efficiencies are lost opportunities are lost such as applying for grants creating 598 00:55:04,93 --> 00:55:10,01 community partnerships creating volunteer opportunities and fiscal opportunities 599 00:55:10,53 --> 00:55:14,83 fiscal responsibility is important to all of us many of our department heads have 600 00:55:14,84 --> 00:55:19,71 shown tremendous fiscal responsibility and create have created fiscal opportunities 601 00:55:19,97 --> 00:55:22,71 and partnerships during their tenure here as 602 00:55:22,72 --> 00:55:27,00 a department head I have been instrumental in creating fiscal responsibility more 603 00:55:27,01 --> 00:55:31,62 than four million six hundred eighty thousand dollars in fiscal opportunities from 604 00:55:31,63 --> 00:55:37,18 one department which include securing over one million fifty thousand dollars in 605 00:55:37,19 --> 00:55:41,71 grant monies awarded to the town and also being the project manager of many of 606 00:55:41,72 --> 00:55:46,63 those projects raising and managing more than three hundred fifty thousand dollars 607 00:55:46,72 --> 00:55:51,72 in user fees raising and managing more than three million three hundred twenty five 608 00:55:51,73 --> 00:55:56,11 thousand dollars in program fees and program management being 609 00:55:56,12 --> 00:56:00,18 a fiscally responsible department we have been efficient in project management 610 00:56:00,48 --> 00:56:05,23 bidding and partnerships and have the opportunity to turn money back from completed 611 00:56:05,24 --> 00:56:10,85 projects that are worth if you can wrap and that is fiscal responsibility for 612 00:56:10,86 --> 00:56:15,41 million six hundred eighty thousand dollars in fiscal opportunities having 613 00:56:15,42 --> 00:56:19,67 department heads with Experience Corps knowledge town history in the working 614 00:56:19,68 --> 00:56:23,32 relationships of the organizations and community partnerships creates the 615 00:56:23,33 --> 00:56:27,94 opportunity for continued fiscal opportunities these individuals in the wage and 616 00:56:27,95 --> 00:56:29,36 personnel want to be 617 00:56:29,37 --> 00:56:33,64 a part of that process and want to find solutions to problems this compensation 618 00:56:33,65 --> 00:56:35,10 schedule and this article is 619 00:56:35,11 --> 00:56:39,83 a start to maintaining retention among employees and creating fiscal responsibility 620 00:56:40,21 --> 00:56:44,01 that is why I urge you to vote in favor of this article and know that your vote 621 00:56:44,07 --> 00:56:48,92 will determine the direction of our community thank you you. Thank. 622 00:56:52,24 --> 00:56:58,41 Fine thank you. I would encourage folks not to support this article the main reason 623 00:56:58,45 --> 00:57:03,13 for that is that I believe that this is mainly presented on what I would consider 624 00:57:03,14 --> 00:57:04,84 to be a false notion we've heard 625 00:57:04,85 --> 00:57:09,77 a lot about employee retention and trying to keep folks here and the false notion 626 00:57:09,78 --> 00:57:14,65 that I referred to is that somehow money is going to boost employee retention I 627 00:57:14,66 --> 00:57:18,89 would argue that that is not the case part of what I do in my line of work is to 628 00:57:18,90 --> 00:57:24,05 help small and medium sized businesses improving grow and work on employee 629 00:57:24,06 --> 00:57:25,87 retention and three times 630 00:57:25,88 --> 00:57:28,86 a year I go to this little place down in Orlando Florida so you might have heard of 631 00:57:28,87 --> 00:57:33,29 it it's called Disneyworld and I company business is down there they visit Disney 632 00:57:33,30 --> 00:57:37,56 to try to learn the Disney world model and how Disney employees over seventy five 633 00:57:37,57 --> 00:57:42,22 thousand people in one location and how they focus on employee retention and I will 634 00:57:42,23 --> 00:57:45,57 tell you that I spent three days there at a time two to three times 635 00:57:45,58 --> 00:57:50,99 a year and not once have I heard someone from Disney World talk about salary they 636 00:57:51,00 --> 00:57:55,48 talk about employee recognition they talk about morale they talk about respect they 637 00:57:55,49 --> 00:57:56,69 talk about creating 638 00:57:56,83 --> 00:58:00,67 a friendly and happy environment for their for their people it's not about the 639 00:58:00,68 --> 00:58:05,90 money so when we hear talk about making it fair and paying more money and keeping 640 00:58:05,91 --> 00:58:10,67 people here we have to understand what the ramifications of this are in terms of 641 00:58:10,68 --> 00:58:15,87 morale and I would argue that it's twofold how this affects morale on one level you 642 00:58:15,88 --> 00:58:21,35 have within the article itself and an ink an equal increase across the board in 643 00:58:21,36 --> 00:58:24,96 terms of some folks getting one percentage and other folks getting another 644 00:58:24,97 --> 00:58:29,80 percentage in terms of an increase the second fold to that is what we voted on at 645 00:58:29,81 --> 00:58:34,34 the last town meeting regarding the town clerk the Treasurer and the collector who 646 00:58:34,67 --> 00:58:39,17 asked for an increase and were not given it so we have to think about what's going 647 00:58:39,18 --> 00:58:44,17 to happen with them morale if this is approved and there is wasn't so again if you 648 00:58:44,18 --> 00:58:48,36 want to argue with me that's fine but if you want to argue with Disney World I 649 00:58:48,37 --> 00:58:48,82 think you'd have 650 00:58:48,83 --> 00:58:53,70 a hard time because I think their success is pretty well established so they get it 651 00:58:53,76 --> 00:58:58,16 they know what employer attention is all about and it's not about salary Thank you 652 00:58:58,16 --> 00:59:04,02 . This theory. 653 00:59:07,75 --> 00:59:12,06 Just want to pull some from the conversation together and wrap it up in 654 00:59:12,07 --> 00:59:18,09 a nice little package Monday night we did meet chair of finance committee the 655 00:59:18,10 --> 00:59:18,59 treasurer 656 00:59:18,60 --> 00:59:24,76 a town administrator. Representatives from wage and personnel to me Mari myself 657 00:59:25,26 --> 00:59:26,51 and we talked about 658 00:59:26,52 --> 00:59:31,66 a lot of things that night we talked about what's working what can be done better 659 00:59:31,84 --> 00:59:38,53 but like tonight the focus was on this article in what is the 660 00:59:38,54 --> 00:59:45,25 correct amount of money any other discussion about marriage or any of that was 661 00:59:45,26 --> 00:59:49,57 nothing more than that we were taught that we are focusing on the Sokal missed 662 00:59:49,58 --> 00:59:55,06 a call to had conversations we all had different discussions about different things 663 00:59:55,07 --> 01:00:01,43 but at the end of the night we all walked out agreeing to the number. That was 664 01:00:01,47 --> 01:00:02,86 presented that night with 665 01:00:02,87 --> 01:00:09,38 a couple of modifications this article. In the consultant the 666 01:00:09,39 --> 01:00:14,50 consultant was hired to look at one of three schedules B two B. 667 01:00:14,50 --> 01:00:19,91 Two is the salaried employees not the wage and personnel just the salaried 668 01:00:19,92 --> 01:00:24,78 employees which are typically department heads they were not asked to look at 669 01:00:25,17 --> 01:00:27,81 should we rewrite the Byelaws in make it 670 01:00:27,82 --> 01:00:34,71 a merit based by law that wasn't part of this again it was simple where are 671 01:00:34,71 --> 01:00:40,75 we today how do we compete with other towns to be an average paying employer 672 01:00:41,31 --> 01:00:48,07 nothing more nothing less to retain. Dedicated employees as Miss Woodward said 673 01:00:48,82 --> 01:00:55,54 the. It's that simple whether you agree with the 674 01:00:55,55 --> 01:01:00,16 amount of not that's what we're voting we're not voting if it should be merit we're 675 01:01:00,17 --> 01:01:04,84 not voting anything else do you do you think the forty one thousand dollars 676 01:01:04,85 --> 01:01:06,21 difference is 677 01:01:06,22 --> 01:01:12,11 a fear price to pay for the employees we have if you don't vote no if you do vote 678 01:01:12,12 --> 01:01:18,73 yes and we can continue Want to the next article. All 679 01:01:18,74 --> 01:01:24,83 right. After. Mr Colton Mr Copas gone housing 680 01:01:25,45 --> 01:01:31,19 Mr Beard. Sorry. DAVID FULLER to thank you Amy Holmes I'm up to 681 01:01:31,20 --> 01:01:34,15 a motion to move the question. So I have 682 01:01:34,16 --> 01:01:38,42 a motion to move the question I mean every second on that in 683 01:01:38,43 --> 01:01:44,49 a second isn't gentleman all those in favor of moving the question say I. All those 684 01:01:44,50 --> 01:01:50,37 opposed. Right that motion carries with you majority vote. 685 01:01:51,74 --> 01:01:58,56 Moving back now in moving the motion on Article ten all those in favor. Say 686 01:01:58,57 --> 01:02:03,06 aye. All those opposed. Is. 687 01:02:09,69 --> 01:02:13,37 Just confirming the vote I'm going to count it if I tell it with Stefano and. 688 01:02:23,03 --> 01:02:29,22 All those in favor of the article I mean the motion on Article ten wager these I 689 01:02:29,23 --> 01:02:36,08 don't know what are these grey. You're 690 01:02:36,09 --> 01:02:42,05 on your wage young region president didn't know that OK so I. Merrily would you 691 01:02:42,06 --> 01:02:48,86 step up in undertaken because you've done it before. You can come 692 01:02:48,87 --> 01:02:55,29 forward and just get sworn in. Please ladies thank you Mr bows I appreciate that 693 01:02:55,52 --> 01:02:58,26 please read write and do you solemnly swear to faithfully perform your duties as 694 01:02:58,27 --> 01:03:03,40 a talent and this in your town meeting for this article time thank you all right so 695 01:03:03,41 --> 01:03:05,82 if Dave if you can just fill in on what she's counting. 696 01:03:13,16 --> 01:03:18,21 Who is everybody do or if you're going to vote you need to be seated that there are 697 01:03:18,22 --> 01:03:24,20 your election workers OK. All right so I'm just about as I just need to know there 698 01:03:24,20 --> 01:03:29,38 are recusal all those in favor of the motion on Article ten great cut. 699 01:04:11,24 --> 01:04:17,88 Miss cars are doing your sixty one Mr Peping Mr Pepys thirty Mr 700 01:04:17,89 --> 01:04:24,74 Armstrong Mr Armstrong is twenty two thank you. All those in 701 01:04:24,78 --> 01:04:29,27 opposition to the motion and I nickel ten great Cod in the year please. 702 01:04:51,67 --> 01:04:51,91 No. 703 01:05:00,74 --> 01:05:06,78 Mrs Miss cars are doing Ms Cazador is sixteen Mr Peping. 704 01:05:07,89 --> 01:05:14,77 Mr Pepys twenty seven and Mr Armstrong. Mr Armstrong is thirty cents. 705 01:05:17,45 --> 01:05:20,60 Ladies and gentlemen the motion carries with the majority vote with one hundred 706 01:05:20,61 --> 01:05:22,87 thirteen in favor and seventy nine in opposition. 707 01:05:28,73 --> 01:05:33,42 All right so now going on to our third article for the evening is moving up to 708 01:05:33,43 --> 01:05:40,03 article that articles are not back up but to Article. Statical sixteen. 709 01:05:43,51 --> 01:05:48,68 And now just to be clear we have broken Article sixteen into three motions at my 710 01:05:48,69 --> 01:05:55,07 direct. Because that's the way we've always really done it so. 711 01:05:56,38 --> 01:06:01,39 What we're going to have here is Mr Dalton's going to move and then there will be 712 01:06:01,40 --> 01:06:03,62 mentors for into 713 01:06:03,63 --> 01:06:10,77 a motion to me body to be aware of what we're doing. Signs 714 01:06:10,77 --> 01:06:16,33 . No no. Mr Dalton. 715 01:06:19,09 --> 01:06:23,16 Move that the town appropriate reserve for fiscal year two thousand and nineteen 716 01:06:23,17 --> 01:06:27,80 community preservation fund annual revenue amounts the amounts recommended by the 717 01:06:27,81 --> 01:06:32,03 Community Preservation Committee for open space reserved historic resources 718 01:06:32,04 --> 01:06:37,34 reserved community housing reserved administrative expenses as follows and 719 01:06:37,35 --> 01:06:42,09 a reserve open space twenty seven thousand eight hundred twenty dollars under 720 01:06:42,10 --> 01:06:46,63 historic preservation twenty seven thousand eight hundred twenty dollars and to 721 01:06:46,64 --> 01:06:50,89 community housing twenty seven thousand eight hundred twenty dollars for 722 01:06:50,90 --> 01:06:55,63 a total of eighty three thousand four hundred sixty dollars and appropriate 723 01:06:55,64 --> 01:07:00,93 administrative expenses personal services so sixty six hundred thirty dollars 724 01:07:01,42 --> 01:07:04,08 Expenses sixty three hundred seventy dollars for 725 01:07:04,09 --> 01:07:09,65 a total of thirteen thousand dollars total reserve and expenses ninety six thousand 726 01:07:09,66 --> 01:07:14,20 four hundred sixty dollars. You have a second here in 727 01:07:14,21 --> 01:07:20,94 a second on that if you can. If you can address those in one case. 728 01:07:22,06 --> 01:07:28,99 These are the annual figures the Community Preservation Act requires us to. Discuss 729 01:07:29,00 --> 01:07:35,90 a town meeting the Act requires us to put in. A minimum of ten percent of 730 01:07:35,91 --> 01:07:40,49 our expected revenue for the incoming year into the three buckets the open space 731 01:07:41,19 --> 01:07:46,19 fund the historic preservation fun and the Community Housing fun that's indicated 732 01:07:46,20 --> 01:07:50,50 by those amounts to either all identical and they're the estimated ten percent of 733 01:07:50,51 --> 01:07:56,95 the incoming revenue for this year the administrative expenses in the Community 734 01:07:56,96 --> 01:08:03,32 Preservation Act allows the committee to designate up to five percent of the 735 01:08:03,33 --> 01:08:09,06 incoming revenue towards administrative expenses and as for sectarian any other 736 01:08:09,30 --> 01:08:12,68 appraisals or anything else that goes on during the year that we need expenses for 737 01:08:12,68 --> 01:08:17,89 . This money any MY it's left over in the administrative expenses each year is 738 01:08:17,90 --> 01:08:20,23 returned back to the regular C.P.A. 739 01:08:20,24 --> 01:08:20,79 Fund. 740 01:08:27,92 --> 01:08:33,42 And thank you. Mr Johnson. 741 01:08:35,97 --> 01:08:41,81 Peter Blanchard three three from the states. And I will confuse this for the. 742 01:08:43,80 --> 01:08:48,91 Annual. Expenditures on what you know what is exactly that can be added to 743 01:08:48,92 --> 01:08:51,79 community housing twenty seven that's from C.P.C. 744 01:08:51,80 --> 01:08:57,68 Going to community housing correct OK It's the annual one that we put all the money 745 01:08:57,69 --> 01:09:01,80 that we get that goes into the three buckets OK but on here does get and then you 746 01:09:01,81 --> 01:09:03,58 vote the expenses of the C.P.C. 747 01:09:04,19 --> 01:09:07,84 But all here is all in further time appropriates one hundred twenty five thousand 748 01:09:07,85 --> 01:09:12,46 to assist the purchase of the Stephen Drew house Ninon A No that has not been moved 749 01:09:12,47 --> 01:09:16,11 there's going to be three motions this is only for the buckets in the 750 01:09:16,12 --> 01:09:20,52 administrative expenses this is the first motion the second motion will be the 751 01:09:20,53 --> 01:09:25,34 twenty five thousand dollars. Item and then the third motion will be the hundred 752 01:09:25,35 --> 01:09:29,01 twenty five thousand dollars OK it was in the book of thank you that yeah that's 753 01:09:29,02 --> 01:09:32,57 why I said we were breaking out because I found it to be too confusing for them all 754 01:09:32,58 --> 01:09:39,35 to be moved as one one fell swoop I thank you. Thank you saying no 755 01:09:39,36 --> 01:09:46,29 further debate all those in favor of motion one on Article sixteen say I. All those 756 01:09:46,30 --> 01:09:51,19 opposed. Motion carries with 757 01:09:51,20 --> 01:09:57,06 a majority vote. Motion to Mr Dalton. 758 01:09:58,56 --> 01:10:02,05 Moved to town appropriate twenty five thousand dollars from the Community 759 01:10:02,06 --> 01:10:05,34 Preservation our community housing reserve fund for 760 01:10:05,35 --> 01:10:09,99 a consultant to update and complete the Kingston affordable housing plan said 761 01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:13,63 project to be under the supervision of the Kingston planning board in town planner 762 01:10:14,28 --> 01:10:18,64 all expenses subject to final review and approval by the Community Preservation 763 01:10:18,65 --> 01:10:25,47 Committee prior to submittal for payment. That being seconded I 764 01:10:25,48 --> 01:10:30,03 believe by town planner Mr Downey with the famous name. 765 01:10:36,13 --> 01:10:37,60 By happenstance or you happen to be 766 01:10:37,61 --> 01:10:43,87 a junior over. Mr Downey if you can address 767 01:10:44,78 --> 01:10:51,61 the twenty five thousand please yes. So we're asking for the twenty five thousand 768 01:10:51,62 --> 01:10:57,14 to update the housing production plan which we currently OK sorry I'm asking for 769 01:10:57,15 --> 01:10:58,49 the twenty five thousand dollars to hire 770 01:10:58,50 --> 01:11:03,50 a consultant to update the production plan which we currently have in place but 771 01:11:03,51 --> 01:11:08,67 they expire every five years. The last one was in acted and April of two thousand 772 01:11:08,68 --> 01:11:14,75 and fourteen and expires of April two thousand nine hundred. This plan will 773 01:11:14,76 --> 01:11:18,24 identify the housing needs of the community identify appropriate sites for 774 01:11:18,25 --> 01:11:22,31 development crews strategy to Mabel the town to meet its affordable housing needs 775 01:11:22,36 --> 01:11:22,44 in 776 01:11:22,45 --> 01:11:29,27 a manner that is consistent with Chapter forty be. Particularly important I think is 777 01:11:29,28 --> 01:11:34,94 that the housing reduction plan if approved in certified. Will give communities 778 01:11:34,95 --> 01:11:37,16 that are under the ten percent threshold of Chapter forty B. 779 01:11:37,68 --> 01:11:42,04 Which Kingston currently is. The control to deny 780 01:11:42,08 --> 01:11:48,56 a comprehensive permit. Which would give the community more control over what gets 781 01:11:48,57 --> 01:11:55,48 built and where we built it. And I know what I'm asking that I want to prove the 782 01:11:55,49 --> 01:11:56,92 twenty five thousand to 783 01:11:56,93 --> 01:12:02,08 a data housing production plant Thank you Mr Downey if you can hold tight just in 784 01:12:02,09 --> 01:12:09,02 case you need to answer any questions. I just want to make sure I got 785 01:12:09,03 --> 01:12:15,91 a second on that I did at the beginning of the. Mission. We 786 01:12:15,92 --> 01:12:20,11 just voted on the first one but we didn't get any response from the selectmen or 787 01:12:20,12 --> 01:12:23,96 from the finance committee on oh I'm sorry I didn't get to and I think we need to 788 01:12:23,97 --> 01:12:27,46 examine all of that and let me do that first and then you can address yeah I 789 01:12:27,47 --> 01:12:32,26 apologize. If we got to the first article which you already voted Finance Committee 790 01:12:32,27 --> 01:12:37,20 had voted favorable action on this motion Finance Committee voted on favorable zero 791 01:12:37,21 --> 01:12:41,28 five zero as to the affordable housing plan and what it's like and so. 792 01:12:47,09 --> 01:12:53,65 OK supported them was favorable five zero zero. On this motion Yeah 793 01:12:54,82 --> 01:13:01,75 OK Thank you Michelle and I'm sorry I omitted that. Mr hollow you know how thirty 794 01:13:01,76 --> 01:13:07,82 one how inflamed two quick questions one is when did the Board of Selectmen vote on 795 01:13:07,82 --> 01:13:14,70 . Their favorable. This year you can you tell us was that the meeting 796 01:13:14,71 --> 01:13:18,66 earlier this evening or on the floor on the floor boards like we've got it on the 797 01:13:18,67 --> 01:13:23,26 floor just now as I would on the floor means I'm sorry yes right here now during 798 01:13:23,27 --> 01:13:28,60 the debate the next question is why did the Finance Committee vote unfavorably. 799 01:13:30,22 --> 01:13:36,75 Does this one thing. Good evening 800 01:13:37,61 --> 01:13:43,74 we talked in the first motion name and now Susan month for tonight on straight into 801 01:13:43,84 --> 01:13:47,86 we talk to the first motion about the three buckets last year two thousand and 802 01:13:47,87 --> 01:13:48,81 seventeen we had 803 01:13:48,82 --> 01:13:54,74 a vote about one of those buckets six hundred thousand dollars went to housing to 804 01:13:55,20 --> 01:13:59,24 create a plan the article was number thirty seven and as 805 01:13:59,25 --> 01:14:05,29 a result of that article the we the town of Kingston Massachusetts Community 806 01:14:05,30 --> 01:14:10,94 Preservation Act grant agreement was created and under that contract Section three 807 01:14:10,95 --> 01:14:16,35 age said that the housing plan had to be created the issue that the. 808 01:14:17,96 --> 01:14:22,20 Time has with this is they got the money last year and it wasn't created that's why 809 01:14:22,21 --> 01:14:27,74 we do not support it because it has already been. Appropriated last year 810 01:14:29,58 --> 01:14:35,42 thank you. Can I as I was going to say mislead us now that you were part of that 811 01:14:35,43 --> 01:14:41,59 right if you mind getting up and let us know about that if I may Gene Landis Naaman 812 01:14:41,60 --> 01:14:47,52 affordable housing trust trustee the amount that was voted last year at town 813 01:14:47,53 --> 01:14:53,81 meeting was for us to create affordable housing. The contract that we just signed 814 01:14:53,82 --> 01:14:55,13 with the C.P.C. 815 01:14:55,14 --> 01:15:01,01 In the Board of Selectmen does not require the affordable housing trust to prepare 816 01:15:01,02 --> 01:15:06,78 this plan this is something that town is required to do through the planning board 817 01:15:06,78 --> 01:15:13,31 . It is not under the auspices of the affordable housing trust the money we have is 818 01:15:13,32 --> 01:15:18,18 to build or purchase affordable housing not this is 819 01:15:18,19 --> 01:15:23,95 a whole separate item required by the state has to do with forty B. Z.B. 820 01:15:24,78 --> 01:15:30,12 And the planning board it's not the Affordable Housing Trust thank you one second 821 01:15:30,13 --> 01:15:37,10 Town Council essentially again you have to move. Up in essentially with 822 01:15:37,11 --> 01:15:40,92 an affordable housing plan that's get certified it can be used as 823 01:15:40,93 --> 01:15:42,59 a defense if there's a forty B. 824 01:15:42,60 --> 01:15:48,36 Project that's proposed and it's not within the confines of the plan you can use 825 01:15:48,37 --> 01:15:48,71 that as 826 01:15:48,72 --> 01:15:53,05 a defense of the project and that's the purpose of the plan OK but I think the 827 01:15:53,06 --> 01:15:57,58 question is this month and you cited something I need God to the article that was 828 01:15:57,59 --> 01:16:03,57 voted last year. Thirty seven of the two thousand seven hundred town meeting OK And 829 01:16:03,58 --> 01:16:08,34 so what Section A You're reading in the guide to their obligation well you perform 830 01:16:08,35 --> 01:16:15,28 this I think you indicated it was the. That the had two hundred three eight housing 831 01:16:15,29 --> 01:16:21,24 plan there was an agreement that had to be signed and in the contract section and 832 01:16:21,31 --> 01:16:22,70 park in real time you don't I have 833 01:16:22,71 --> 01:16:29,25 a. Part of the contract in order to the grant in order to get the six hundred 834 01:16:29,26 --> 01:16:34,22 thousand dollars it was listed out that the affordable housing protection plan had 835 01:16:34,23 --> 01:16:38,87 to be completed. And it had to be updated and completed at least 836 01:16:38,88 --> 01:16:44,81 a three year plan. OK But the question comes into play is does it indicate in there 837 01:16:44,82 --> 01:16:48,76 what it's paid for one second is done how it's because I'm trying to go right to 838 01:16:48,77 --> 01:16:52,62 the cut the document would you like me to read it but no it does say how it's 839 01:16:52,63 --> 01:16:53,17 financed. 840 01:17:00,46 --> 01:17:04,99 It was I'm going to get the six hundred thousand dollars OK Mr Dalton is that what 841 01:17:05,00 --> 01:17:10,51 you're clarifying. Thank you clarifying what the language in the trust is. 842 01:17:11,54 --> 01:17:15,97 Misandry Can you give that to consul please think. Thank you. 843 01:17:20,15 --> 01:17:26,82 OK one second I forget. That was with him and Michelle means that sounds we have 844 01:17:26,99 --> 01:17:33,83 some really have it yes Mr Dalton and then I'll go over there gets to. The the 845 01:17:34,04 --> 01:17:39,27 grand agreement that was. Recorded signed by the C.B.C. 846 01:17:39,28 --> 01:17:40,03 And struck me in 847 01:17:40,04 --> 01:17:45,23 a house you can barely hear you in there move it I just think the grant agreement 848 01:17:45,24 --> 01:17:51,09 does require that the. Affordable Housing Trust that's one of the agreements for 849 01:17:51,10 --> 01:17:56,10 the funding of that six hundred thousand dollars last year that they work toward 850 01:17:56,14 --> 01:18:02,65 and. Submit basically this affordable housing plan. This 851 01:18:03,74 --> 01:18:10,40 this article here that was put out by. The previous town planner and with 852 01:18:10,40 --> 01:18:17,25 the I believe with members of that formal Housing Trust was put in 853 01:18:17,27 --> 01:18:22,63 there so that would be more expeditious get the plan done and that six hundred 854 01:18:22,64 --> 01:18:27,91 thousand dollars that's in that account would go towards housing and not towards 855 01:18:27,92 --> 01:18:34,43 the plane. It's that they've got this money now aside there 856 01:18:34,99 --> 01:18:41,82 to use on housing and we felt that it would be better that the money come from 857 01:18:41,91 --> 01:18:47,58 this account now in front of you. So that it wouldn't take from that amount of 858 01:18:47,59 --> 01:18:48,55 money that we approve 859 01:18:48,56 --> 01:18:54,48 a housing plan is important we feel it's important to do so that's why this 860 01:18:54,49 --> 01:18:58,37 difference but the Grant does require them to do it if they don't get the money if 861 01:18:58,38 --> 01:19:01,91 we don't approve money tonight they will have to go in they'll have to use money 862 01:19:02,18 --> 01:19:05,71 from House approved money for housing that we already approved for affordable 863 01:19:05,72 --> 01:19:09,16 housing in this town so I don't encourage you to vote for this. 864 01:19:15,13 --> 01:19:19,67 Because it's. Is that you know anything that's raised is. 865 01:19:24,61 --> 01:19:30,86 So the trust is required. Or if it's not you know one second so kinds of you can 866 01:19:30,87 --> 01:19:35,18 advise you know I just I get it are you saying that the trust fund that provision 867 01:19:35,60 --> 01:19:41,98 is obligated to hire the consultant do the job if if this money isn't appropriated 868 01:19:41,99 --> 01:19:44,99 tonight they will have to pull from the six hundred thousand dollars that was 869 01:19:44,100 --> 01:19:50,02 appropriated last year it's you know you need to move it right up to you know you 870 01:19:50,03 --> 01:19:54,21 know you know OK if I took 871 01:19:54,22 --> 01:20:01,22 a look at the agreement and if this money is not appropriated tonight Mr What's 872 01:20:01,89 --> 01:20:07,49 Dalton I'm sorry Mr Dalton is absolutely correct it states in here that it's 873 01:20:07,50 --> 01:20:10,96 a requirement of the grant and it would have to be pulled from the six hundred 874 01:20:10,97 --> 01:20:14,65 thousand dollars that was appropriated last year. OK. 875 01:20:18,55 --> 01:20:25,35 OK you know. Mr Bontoc Peter was like three three five 876 01:20:25,36 --> 01:20:26,66 states move the question. 877 01:20:32,48 --> 01:20:35,47 OK In general I have a move this question I have 878 01:20:35,48 --> 01:20:42,05 a second all those in favor say aye All those opposed. This 879 01:20:42,34 --> 01:20:45,19 motion to move the questioning carries with 880 01:20:45,20 --> 01:20:50,92 a majority vote of. Lazing gentleman on motion to under 881 01:20:51,62 --> 01:20:56,60 sixteen all those in favor say aye. All those opposed. 882 01:20:58,51 --> 01:21:02,23 Let's count it. As. 883 01:21:06,89 --> 01:21:13,50 Mr Basil's back on. All those in favor of the motion to want to Article 884 01:21:13,80 --> 01:21:20,68 sixteen major breakout in the air. You need to know who's counting you when 885 01:21:20,69 --> 01:21:26,22 seconds. You want to take this back. 886 01:21:44,69 --> 01:21:47,23 I just want to make sure Mr Pepy or Mr I have as 887 01:21:47,24 --> 01:21:53,55 a Did anybody get this to do all. I thought he would be considered on us. 888 01:21:56,17 --> 01:21:56,62 I'll take 889 01:21:56,63 --> 01:22:01,90 a I said Mr Bounce is taken and I. Just want to make sure that somebody got him 890 01:22:01,96 --> 01:22:08,48 forty nine because usually some easy off I mean I missed about Mr popping Mr bet Mr 891 01:22:08,49 --> 01:22:14,02 Pepys twenty nine Mr Armstrong Mr Armstrong's twenty one ladies and gentlemen all 892 01:22:14,03 --> 01:22:19,65 those in opposition to motion to under articles. Sixteenth's. 893 01:22:43,58 --> 01:22:50,35 Mr Bassler twenty six Mr Bassler is twenty six Mr patting Mr Pepys twenty 894 01:22:50,36 --> 01:22:55,22 five Mr Armstrong. Mr Armstrong is thirty eight. 895 01:23:02,76 --> 01:23:08,01 The motion carries we are majority. Position. 896 01:23:20,23 --> 01:23:26,10 You can do it. Right. You can reconsider and. 897 01:23:33,33 --> 01:23:39,22 You have to reconsider him an event. Takes place tonight you can do. 898 01:23:44,92 --> 01:23:48,100 On two you can reconsider now or later do it after. 899 01:23:56,12 --> 01:24:03,08 Three. Move the town appropriate 900 01:24:03,09 --> 01:24:06,48 one hundred twenty five thousand dollars to assist in the purchase of the Stephen 901 01:24:06,49 --> 01:24:11,38 Drew House circa seven hundred sixty located at fifty one Landing Road Kings to 902 01:24:11,39 --> 01:24:16,01 Massachusetts by the Jones or a landing environmental Heritage Center that's 903 01:24:16,02 --> 01:24:20,87 a J R L E H C for the Study of the Marine Environmental and related eco system is 904 01:24:20,88 --> 01:24:24,80 presented at town meeting and recommended by the Community Preservation Committee 905 01:24:25,38 --> 01:24:29,14 and to make this appropriation the summer seventy six thousand seven hundred six 906 01:24:29,15 --> 01:24:33,93 dollars sixteen cents be transferred from the UN designated community preservation 907 01:24:33,94 --> 01:24:38,00 fund balance and forty eight thousand two hundred ninety three dollars eighty four 908 01:24:38,01 --> 01:24:43,14 cents from the Community Preservation Act to start preservation fund balance said 909 01:24:43,15 --> 01:24:46,68 project to be under the supervision of the jones for lending environmental heritage 910 01:24:46,69 --> 01:24:50,09 center board of directors said appropriations showing quote 911 01:24:50,10 --> 01:24:53,55 a requirement that the Board of Selectmen shall either accept. Or in the 912 01:24:53,56 --> 01:24:54,59 alternative grant to 913 01:24:54,60 --> 01:24:59,68 a qualifying third party historic preservation restriction on said parcel of land 914 01:25:00,08 --> 01:25:03,82 meeting the requirements of M. G.L. Chapter forty four B. 915 01:25:03,86 --> 01:25:10,20 Section twelve and jail chapter one eighty four as may be deemed appropriate all 916 01:25:10,21 --> 01:25:12,08 transfer of funds shall be subject to 917 01:25:12,09 --> 01:25:16,47 a signed grant agreement town of Kingston Massachusetts Community Preservation Act 918 01:25:16,48 --> 01:25:20,86 grant agreement for Stephen Drew heritage house purchase among the Jonesville 919 01:25:20,87 --> 01:25:24,65 landing environmental Heritage Center board of directors the Kingston board of 920 01:25:24,66 --> 01:25:29,23 selectmen and the Kingston Community Preservation Committee that further describes 921 01:25:29,24 --> 01:25:36,12 required practices conditions and expectation of the use of the funds. Receiving 922 01:25:36,13 --> 01:25:41,06 a second on the. Yes. 923 01:25:48,71 --> 01:25:53,58 No we amended that it was one thirty two was wrong it's actually Section twelve 924 01:25:53,95 --> 01:25:58,23 Yeah thank you though. There is. 925 01:26:01,62 --> 01:26:08,37 So ladies and gentlemen if I may board of selectmen vote. OK 926 01:26:08,77 --> 01:26:13,19 So Board of Selectmen is holding their vote until the day Finance Committee voted 927 01:26:13,69 --> 01:26:19,05 on favorable zero five zero and at this time I'd like to call Mr Brock. 928 01:26:23,54 --> 01:26:24,83 And he has 929 01:26:24,84 --> 01:26:29,25 a presentation but there's also this is the handout that goes that you got out at 930 01:26:29,26 --> 01:26:35,75 the beginning this is the motion under the sod it that's the handout. So if 931 01:26:36,29 --> 01:26:41,18 Mr Welch is Bryan yeah OK we need to move. 932 01:26:52,84 --> 01:26:53,49 A muscle right. 933 01:27:27,27 --> 01:27:32,07 Hi I'm Ken Brock eight Elm Street on the number of the historic commission and 934 01:27:32,34 --> 01:27:38,84 guide you through that historic true house purchase proposal just bear with me well 935 01:27:38,93 --> 01:27:41,97 we're going to go through the slides really quickly with. 936 01:27:47,45 --> 01:27:48,43 Shore which is 937 01:27:48,44 --> 01:27:50,71 a better oh. Oh 938 01:28:00,85 --> 01:28:07,69 . OK. Can you hear 939 01:28:07,73 --> 01:28:11,88 Yeah all right so introduce the project and how the town will benefit from it. 940 01:28:13,15 --> 01:28:17,84 Steps following hopeful town meeting approval tonight and the Jones river landings 941 01:28:17,85 --> 01:28:21,75 visions for its use in public engagement and 942 01:28:21,88 --> 01:28:26,09 a little bit about the landings foreman of role in this town's history you've 943 01:28:26,10 --> 01:28:29,17 probably or hopefully you've seen the handout was just has 944 01:28:29,18 --> 01:28:33,66 a great introduction to it and some really neat graphics we're talking about the 945 01:28:33,67 --> 01:28:38,35 acquisition of fifty one Landing Road by the Jones River Landing environmental 946 01:28:38,36 --> 01:28:43,13 Heritage Center for short just to be brief I'll refer to them as J R L or the 947 01:28:43,14 --> 01:28:49,23 landing center the nonprofit J R L and its parent the watershed Association have 948 01:28:49,24 --> 01:28:55,11 a proven track record of public stewardship benefiting the town's cultural and 949 01:28:55,12 --> 01:29:00,18 equal article resources Jr Ellis requesting this one hundred twenty five thousand 950 01:29:00,59 --> 01:29:05,23 appropriation from the town's community preservation fund. It's 951 01:29:05,24 --> 01:29:10,76 a federal style home and it was the center of the plant landings historic shipyards 952 01:29:10,76 --> 01:29:12,87 . Just for 953 01:29:12,88 --> 01:29:17,90 a quick grounding the town seal with the break independence which was built very 954 01:29:17,91 --> 01:29:23,49 close to where the true House is and the seal not only signifies the shipbuilding 955 01:29:23,50 --> 01:29:29,39 center but it really signifies the town's identity. Shipbuilding began in the early 956 01:29:29,40 --> 01:29:35,33 seventeenth hundreds near or at the landing hundred seventy bustles built after the 957 01:29:35,34 --> 01:29:40,81 Revolutionary War up till the end of the eighteen hundreds of up to ships as big as 958 01:29:40,82 --> 01:29:47,68 six hundred tons or more. These merchant vessels from Kingston sailed the world and 959 01:29:47,69 --> 01:29:51,70 there are many stories of fuel which I know course we're not going to go into here 960 01:29:51,71 --> 01:29:58,63 but more importantly to this town was shipbuilding was crucial to the industries 961 01:29:58,76 --> 01:30:02,80 for one hundred twenty years plus just consider that for 962 01:30:02,81 --> 01:30:09,02 a moment one hundred twenty years all the ponds and streams and towns with the 963 01:30:09,16 --> 01:30:11,90 various Mills Rocky look with 964 01:30:11,91 --> 01:30:16,41 a great salt works and where the ships were rigged on the wharf if the ship 965 01:30:16,42 --> 01:30:21,40 building was the life's blood center of this community and I want to point out that 966 01:30:21,45 --> 01:30:23,08 this is not this is not 967 01:30:23,12 --> 01:30:29,66 a stale past thing the traditions have continued at the landing 968 01:30:30,02 --> 01:30:34,15 boat yard it's the. Largest long as 969 01:30:34,16 --> 01:30:40,64 a Sunni continuous full yard in the United States. This just shows you briefly some 970 01:30:40,65 --> 01:30:45,82 documentation Stephen Drew was the occupant who we're talking about Doris Johnson 971 01:30:45,83 --> 01:30:52,11 did this back from the seventy's that some of the historic background. So the Drews 972 01:30:52,12 --> 01:30:52,30 had 973 01:30:52,31 --> 01:31:00,05 a dynasty in shipbuilding and there were five brothers Stevens uncles who worked 974 01:31:00,06 --> 01:31:05,41 on the bridge independence for our fledgling Continental Navy Stephen himself was 975 01:31:05,42 --> 01:31:11,13 a ship right in an owner sloops and schooners and the house was built between 976 01:31:11,14 --> 01:31:16,93 a. Seven hundred sixty and seven hundred eighty five. And it is at times it serves 977 01:31:16,94 --> 01:31:19,52 both as a shipyard store and 978 01:31:19,53 --> 01:31:25,36 a sail off the landing was first part of Major Bradford's farm and the first wharf 979 01:31:25,37 --> 01:31:32,13 appears to have been built near the railroad bridge. Is this illustration 980 01:31:32,19 --> 01:31:37,44 really gets to the heart of it at the lower center the tallest building is the 981 01:31:37,45 --> 01:31:42,32 house we're talking about that's the true home just in front of that closer to the 982 01:31:42,33 --> 01:31:43,81 river there's likely 983 01:31:43,82 --> 01:31:49,24 a sale loft there's other buildings in the yard around there you can see the Pratt 984 01:31:49,25 --> 01:31:53,74 her house on the upper right center so if you're not familiar with the landscape 985 01:31:53,75 --> 01:31:58,61 I'm not assuming anyone is not but you can see the railroad bridge and the bend in 986 01:31:58,62 --> 01:32:05,23 the river. This was the lifeblood of the town. So what's in it for you what's in 987 01:32:05,24 --> 01:32:08,15 a post town appropriation of the C.P.A. 988 01:32:08,16 --> 01:32:09,53 Funds requires 989 01:32:09,57 --> 01:32:16,49 a preservation restriction in perpetuity to restrict inappropriate changes being 990 01:32:16,50 --> 01:32:22,49 made to the property it expands and ensures public access to the river and this 991 01:32:22,50 --> 01:32:28,89 means walkers bikers hikers along the bay circuit trail who will be go aside 992 01:32:29,65 --> 01:32:35,83 the true house and then along the waterfront it expands opportunities for residents 993 01:32:36,13 --> 01:32:43,03 to connect with our history and the ecology of the river. You know. 994 01:32:51,90 --> 01:32:57,82 To our end and finally it reunites and preserves that the shipbuilding heritage. 995 01:32:59,93 --> 01:33:05,08 And some other benefits on the landing center plans to have open houses and other 996 01:33:05,09 --> 01:33:10,61 community events celebrating the history in conjunction with the Bradford house 997 01:33:10,89 --> 01:33:16,16 Jones River Village historical society it also helped the town participate in two 998 01:33:16,17 --> 01:33:20,94 thousand and twenty with fun and as we gear up for our own three hundredth 999 01:33:20,95 --> 01:33:27,69 anniversary of the photo on the left you may know it's the replica shallop that 1000 01:33:27,73 --> 01:33:33,52 went up the Jones river and in marking the near four hundred years as we come up OK 1001 01:33:33,70 --> 01:33:38,26 here's what we're talking about with the plot plan the footprint of fifty one 1002 01:33:38,27 --> 01:33:44,85 landing Rovers at the lower left and you have the landing boat sheds above that the 1003 01:33:44,86 --> 01:33:50,87 green arrow shows you where the public access would be the bay circuit trail going 1004 01:33:50,88 --> 01:33:56,57 between the buildings and then along the waterfront. Another view of that from 1005 01:33:56,58 --> 01:34:03,41 above there is the bay circuit trail and the middle orange flag is actually the 1006 01:34:03,49 --> 01:34:08,22 showing the true house and you can see the trail continuing to pay farm. 1007 01:34:10,08 --> 01:34:14,61 Steps after approval of grant agreement would need to be signed between the 1008 01:34:14,62 --> 01:34:16,04 selectmen C.P.C. 1009 01:34:16,34 --> 01:34:22,60 And the Jr landing board which will stipulate public access as part of the bay 1010 01:34:22,61 --> 01:34:27,71 circuit trail be recorded or put in a member of an excuse me 1011 01:34:27,72 --> 01:34:34,05 a memorandum of understanding. The preservation restriction as noted in the closing 1012 01:34:34,06 --> 01:34:39,28 is into supported by the end of the year next as part of the four hundred seventy 1013 01:34:39,29 --> 01:34:45,23 five thousand purchase price but to have more than six sixty thousand would go to 1014 01:34:45,24 --> 01:34:51,08 the town for overdue taxes interest and legal costs of the tax title on the 1015 01:34:51,09 --> 01:34:57,26 property. And it will also help the landing. Get in line for additional grants. 1016 01:34:58,92 --> 01:35:01,28 A quick break down see the purchase price of 1017 01:35:01,29 --> 01:35:05,51 a twenty five thousand appropriation to help secure the purchase and sales 1018 01:35:05,52 --> 01:35:11,70 agreement on the house. Leveraging the funds to obtain additional matching grants 1019 01:35:12,56 --> 01:35:17,94 the mortgage in addition to the purchase of landing estimates eighty to one hundred 1020 01:35:17,95 --> 01:35:24,83 thousand in repairs including the chimney the roof. A view from the back 1021 01:35:25,35 --> 01:35:31,11 and you might note the incline of the hill. So 1022 01:35:31,48 --> 01:35:38,37 opportunities first to expand the landing centers relationship with education first 1023 01:35:38,38 --> 01:35:39,69 by partnering with 1024 01:35:39,70 --> 01:35:44,29 a university or college to provide value for housing for students who are studying 1025 01:35:44,30 --> 01:35:45,09 the estuary 1026 01:35:45,48 --> 01:35:52,41 a river or watershed also provide ongoing science and data to help all of 1027 01:35:52,42 --> 01:35:58,28 us to adapt and plan for the rising sea level and changing marine environments 1028 01:35:59,14 --> 01:36:05,82 also to be joining the two separate parcels the true House and the historic boat 1029 01:36:05,83 --> 01:36:07,71 yard. Of 1030 01:36:07,72 --> 01:36:12,88 a view from the broad her house driveway and your support will preserve 1031 01:36:12,89 --> 01:36:18,46 a keystone of our heritage and shore public that access to the river provide 1032 01:36:18,47 --> 01:36:24,47 ongoing stewardship of it to heritage and ecology and it dance tourism in an area 1033 01:36:24,48 --> 01:36:28,35 that was important to the founding of this country and help local businesses with 1034 01:36:28,36 --> 01:36:33,11 that and provide education and stewardship of this remarkable area. 1035 01:36:37,08 --> 01:36:39,93 And just at the another view that it's not showing so well but 1036 01:36:39,94 --> 01:36:45,50 a painting showing the river there you just read that and for yourself from eight 1037 01:36:45,51 --> 01:36:46,20 hundred fourteen 1038 01:36:46,21 --> 01:36:52,97 a description of the center of the community. Thank you very much I'll try to 1039 01:36:53,27 --> 01:36:59,59 answer questions and I'm sure members of the watershed board or perhaps the landing 1040 01:36:59,60 --> 01:37:02,40 board as well hidden. The sister's new. 1041 01:37:50,22 --> 01:37:53,89 I'd like to think by the way lazing gentlemen that gentleman is Brian he's our 1042 01:37:54,11 --> 01:37:57,51 facilities person here at Kingston intermediate school we can't do Tommy without 1043 01:37:57,52 --> 01:37:59,08 him so thank you Brian if you. 1044 01:38:04,77 --> 01:38:10,65 Didn't know. We were hoping to turn down the temperature to yes. 1045 01:38:11,90 --> 01:38:18,63 Indeed OK. If I can now before we 1046 01:38:18,64 --> 01:38:25,64 start with anyone speaking Mr Brock I know that Marjorie in the plant had 1047 01:38:25,86 --> 01:38:31,06 and I we would kill her first Marjorie unfortunately had I been caught I came in 1048 01:38:31,07 --> 01:38:33,39 the incident and she was in I.C.U. She's now out of I.C.U. 1049 01:38:33,54 --> 01:38:35,11 Thank you but if you can read 1050 01:38:35,12 --> 01:38:40,46 a very brief statement that she had got English if you may Mr Brock and explain who 1051 01:38:40,47 --> 01:38:45,56 she is Marshall Plan to is the homeowner in this is to the residents of the town 1052 01:38:45,57 --> 01:38:52,07 short know. Here Kingston residents I am very excited that the home I have raised 1053 01:38:52,08 --> 01:38:56,75 my family and lived in for nearly fifty years is being considered to be purchased 1054 01:38:56,96 --> 01:39:01,67 for historical and educational purposes to know that this property you will be 1055 01:39:01,68 --> 01:39:05,84 reunited with the boat yard next door and will continue to be part of Kingston's 1056 01:39:05,85 --> 01:39:11,02 history in our country's history is comforting in these times where new homes and 1057 01:39:11,03 --> 01:39:12,22 businesses are taking over 1058 01:39:12,23 --> 01:39:16,51 a small community combined with some of the losses for private sales of 1059 01:39:16,52 --> 01:39:21,31 a few of our historic sites leaves us very little to pass on to generations to come 1060 01:39:22,11 --> 01:39:28,85 I hope that our community feels as I do supports this article Marshall thank you Mr 1061 01:39:28,86 --> 01:39:35,82 Brock moving on to. Yes I heard you speak of preservation 1062 01:39:35,83 --> 01:39:42,08 agreements several times in your presentation I want to just remind the town that 1063 01:39:42,09 --> 01:39:43,64 once we enter into 1064 01:39:43,65 --> 01:39:48,82 a preservation agreement we're looking at what we did the other day thirty five 1065 01:39:48,83 --> 01:39:54,09 thousand for gutters I think it was fifty at one point nine thousand dollars on the 1066 01:39:54,10 --> 01:39:55,52 font school for 1067 01:39:55,74 --> 01:40:02,27 a window and they did four of them these are all we cannot do anything with this 1068 01:40:02,28 --> 01:40:08,52 building without the state giving an OK and they want it the way they want it so 1069 01:40:09,11 --> 01:40:13,49 you know just keep that in mind I believe that's the case with the preservation. 1070 01:40:15,19 --> 01:40:19,02 Restriction thank you one second on can you address that hesitation destruction. 1071 01:40:20,07 --> 01:40:25,92 And allocation of. Strange. Sounds you since it's. 1072 01:40:26,94 --> 01:40:33,77 It's not the it's Thanks Terry OK so. OK but I need her to be telling them OK 1073 01:40:34,21 --> 01:40:40,26 so so well I have to comport with. A static again sorry the 1074 01:40:40,27 --> 01:40:45,78 a static exterior would have to comport with historical requirements. 1075 01:40:47,74 --> 01:40:52,74 Can I. One question two if I may before you go on the Sherman. The issue with 1076 01:40:53,07 --> 01:40:57,99 a question that I know is probably in people's mind if in fact say hypothetically 1077 01:40:58,00 --> 01:41:02,94 we vote this article it passes the one twenty five's available is that one twenty 1078 01:41:02,95 --> 01:41:04,95 five used if in fact the building is 1079 01:41:04,96 --> 01:41:10,90 a purchase. No if you're not purchasing the building not one of everybody to make 1080 01:41:10,91 --> 01:41:15,16 sure because it's that other secondary that would be secondary condition back to 1081 01:41:15,17 --> 01:41:20,20 Michigan Well back to the original question once we buy this home what are we into 1082 01:41:21,45 --> 01:41:28,18 one second yes. Correct. 1083 01:41:32,91 --> 01:41:38,85 Thank you and next time you can get up an address that. The issue is. 1084 01:41:40,05 --> 01:41:40,22 In 1085 01:41:40,23 --> 01:41:45,96 a gang Go ahead Mr Sherman I see Miss MacKinnon's hand up on this I know you are dressing 1086 01:41:45,97 --> 01:41:50,79 Tom Well I guess you better when I'm not curious about are we going to hear next 1087 01:41:50,92 --> 01:41:53,37 year what we need to do X.Y.Z. 1088 01:41:54,03 --> 01:41:57,41 Well she ONE SECOND MAN Don't start yelling out please if you want to get up and 1089 01:41:57,42 --> 01:42:02,33 answer we will do that there is respect go ahead she's correct in that we're just 1090 01:42:02,34 --> 01:42:06,27 contributing to the purchase we're just getting to it is one second it's 1091 01:42:06,28 --> 01:42:08,94 a contributing to the purchase but it's also part of the purchase of the 1092 01:42:08,95 --> 01:42:14,31 preservation right the restriction will apply Yes So will the town of Kingston have 1093 01:42:14,32 --> 01:42:20,05 any liability in the future because of the preservation we've got ing exterior or 1094 01:42:20,06 --> 01:42:24,21 anything like she was saying the gutters in the windows and things like that so 1095 01:42:24,22 --> 01:42:28,41 there's there's no obligation you could obviously later on decide you want to 1096 01:42:28,42 --> 01:42:33,25 contribute more to is preserve the historic nature of the structure but there's no 1097 01:42:33,26 --> 01:42:37,84 obligation but any changes that would be made to the house would have to comport 1098 01:42:37,85 --> 01:42:44,79 with historic requirements. OK and that includes the Jones river that will be 1099 01:42:44,80 --> 01:42:48,41 buying the property the same thing they have to comport with the same preservation 1100 01:42:48,42 --> 01:42:51,77 That's right OK Mr Chairman OK Thank you. 1101 01:42:56,47 --> 01:43:00,49 Mr Bond sack and then I know I think and then it was Mr Hallinan over to me and 1102 01:43:00,50 --> 01:43:05,94 Peter Bondra three three from the states. I just want to make a point and also 1103 01:43:05,95 --> 01:43:12,40 a few questions whoever buys is held. The sixty thousand will still go to take them 1104 01:43:13,45 --> 01:43:19,62 because that's all we have to be satisfied before it can be sold the why question 1105 01:43:19,66 --> 01:43:24,44 is one of the questions is the. That's for sure before I get one hundred twenty 1106 01:43:24,45 --> 01:43:31,15 four thousand from us. Community Preservation can 1107 01:43:31,16 --> 01:43:35,10 understand you see the writing to them I know you're trying to read too but. For 1108 01:43:35,11 --> 01:43:39,56 young I couldn't hear you you know you moved away to as you might like. 1109 01:43:42,27 --> 01:43:46,43 Seventy six seven zero six sixteen from the designated Community Preservation fun 1110 01:43:46,62 --> 01:43:51,62 How much do we have in that fund right now. Don't you have. 1111 01:44:00,40 --> 01:44:07,28 That money your for the my Yeah. That seventy six thousand you're 1112 01:44:07,36 --> 01:44:14,35 going to that was from the. Under-educated was it. Does I get one second coming 1113 01:44:14,36 --> 01:44:19,60 difficult time Mr Dalton people can tell you in the back so maybe if you just raise 1114 01:44:19,61 --> 01:44:25,90 your voice to write OK there were two accounts listed in that article sums coming 1115 01:44:25,91 --> 01:44:30,04 from the UN designated fund which has an approximate four hundred ninety thousand 1116 01:44:30,05 --> 01:44:35,52 dollars at the moment and the remainder is coming from the historical resources 1117 01:44:35,53 --> 01:44:42,17 fund which currently has about forty eight thousand dollars in it OK thank you does 1118 01:44:42,18 --> 01:44:49,05 anybody know what the assessed value of this house has. Got me 1119 01:44:49,06 --> 01:44:53,71 thinking that my house is what I don't know what the assessed value with. I believe 1120 01:44:53,89 --> 01:44:55,15 could be corrected by 1121 01:44:55,16 --> 01:45:00,69 a board member it's in the neighborhood of three hundred sixty five thousand. 1122 01:45:02,47 --> 01:45:05,23 Three hundred sixty five assessed is that just 1123 01:45:05,24 --> 01:45:11,85 a guess or enough to matter. That's an appraisal Yeah no is that he's asking the 1124 01:45:11,86 --> 01:45:15,10 assess which is separate the town of Kingston the appraised value given set by an 1125 01:45:15,11 --> 01:45:20,54 appraiser so it's missed on cause they don't do you have the assessed value. 1126 01:45:25,18 --> 01:45:26,04 That's the appraisal. 1127 01:45:33,10 --> 01:45:40,07 All right how about you go on to. OK 1128 01:45:40,08 --> 01:45:43,94 great thanks how about if we I'm come back to Assassin you continue on what you 1129 01:45:43,95 --> 01:45:50,25 doing. You stepping away I mean and that's great you're done 1130 01:45:50,91 --> 01:45:56,63 I don't mean that sound that way. Well so we'll go back to assess Well Missler not 1131 01:45:56,64 --> 01:46:00,43 just looking that up on nine I believe so I believe it's three forty four is what 1132 01:46:00,44 --> 01:46:04,42 I'm hearing behind me three forty four is confirmed the assessed value is three 1133 01:46:04,43 --> 01:46:09,17 hundred forty four thousand and this to how Mr Bines that back on the assess. 1134 01:46:11,76 --> 01:46:15,94 Those three forty four so we're going to pay one hundred thirty something over the 1135 01:46:15,95 --> 01:46:21,44 Says into the mike again. Oh yeah for three hundred forty four thousand assessed 1136 01:46:21,45 --> 01:46:27,03 we're going to pay one hundred thirty thousand overstressed value. And I'm going to 1137 01:46:27,04 --> 01:46:27,22 take 1138 01:46:27,23 --> 01:46:32,18 a guess here because where it's behind on taxes it's probably not in the greatest 1139 01:46:32,19 --> 01:46:36,79 of shape I don't know I have not seen it but usual troubles behind attaches to 1140 01:46:36,80 --> 01:46:37,95 house doesn't usually get 1141 01:46:37,96 --> 01:46:42,93 a good upkeep so that way they're now paying over one hundred thirty thousand over 1142 01:46:42,94 --> 01:46:48,38 such value so I want to say is anybody remember this boat that we spent one hundred 1143 01:46:48,39 --> 01:46:54,50 fifty thousand dollars on. Twelve foot fourteen foot boat to be rebuilt 1144 01:46:55,44 --> 01:46:59,06 this is I believe will be the same problem they will come back to asking for more 1145 01:46:59,07 --> 01:47:04,20 money I think we should hang on to this and put it back to put it towards other 1146 01:47:04,21 --> 01:47:06,03 projects that the C.P.C. 1147 01:47:06,29 --> 01:47:11,23 Are there for thank you thank you Mr Bond this adult and I believe that this cause 1148 01:47:11,24 --> 01:47:13,71 it to you came forward with an appraisal you had then 1149 01:47:13,72 --> 01:47:19,21 a phase by OK So can you give us the appraised value and when the appraisal was 1150 01:47:19,22 --> 01:47:24,49 done. Jones or 1151 01:47:24,50 --> 01:47:28,63 a landing had an appraisal done on the property in January of this year phrase 1152 01:47:28,64 --> 01:47:34,51 value came in at three hundred sixty five thousand dollars OK and I might just 1153 01:47:34,52 --> 01:47:40,59 remind you that we're not buying the property. And we're not paying the money above 1154 01:47:40,60 --> 01:47:41,66 this it's a jones for 1155 01:47:41,67 --> 01:47:46,07 a landing it's coming up with the money we're putting up we're voting maybe one 1156 01:47:46,08 --> 01:47:49,94 hundred twenty five thousand dollars for preservation restriction of his property 1157 01:47:49,95 --> 01:47:56,27 to keep that area as it is now we know nothing to them in the future on that. Thank 1158 01:47:56,28 --> 01:48:01,81 you Mr Dalton back Mr Hallam do you know how thirty one how inflamed everybody hear 1159 01:48:01,82 --> 01:48:08,25 me Yes OK Just make sure. I don't understand that because in the presentations of 1160 01:48:08,26 --> 01:48:11,22 the purchases before seventy five understand being done by the jointer landing. 1161 01:48:12,73 --> 01:48:15,86 They were contributing one hundred twenty five thousand to that so we're taking 1162 01:48:16,51 --> 01:48:22,35 public taxpayer funds and giving it to a private entity to purchase 1163 01:48:22,36 --> 01:48:26,53 a property of four hundred seventy five thousand is that correct Well C.P.A. 1164 01:48:26,54 --> 01:48:30,24 Funds aren't subject to C.P.A. 1165 01:48:30,25 --> 01:48:34,82 Funds aren't subject to the amendment you can it's part there's 1166 01:48:34,83 --> 01:48:38,75 a public purpose in preserving historic properties whether or not they're owned by 1167 01:48:38,76 --> 01:48:40,72 the time around or whether or not they're owned by 1168 01:48:40,73 --> 01:48:46,51 a private property so it's actually pretty common to contribute to private property 1169 01:48:46,52 --> 01:48:52,25 upkeep in certain circumstances. So in other words the difference being is that 1170 01:48:52,26 --> 01:48:53,72 we're not because it's C.P.A. 1171 01:48:53,73 --> 01:48:55,19 Funds it's 1172 01:48:55,20 --> 01:48:59,16 a different era analysis and we got to using funds owned by the town of Kingston 1173 01:48:59,45 --> 01:49:04,36 week to let people. And so councils address it that it is permissive and it isn't 1174 01:49:04,37 --> 01:49:05,37 uncommon to C.P.S. 1175 01:49:05,63 --> 01:49:10,01 I know it may be permissive by just making sure it's taxpayer money that's going 1176 01:49:10,02 --> 01:49:14,33 there. I just want to make it clear on the record that it is taxpayer money that's 1177 01:49:14,34 --> 01:49:16,98 going. To C.B.C. 1178 01:49:16,99 --> 01:49:23,34 Fans. I do have a question there's 1179 01:49:23,35 --> 01:49:27,86 a comment about the public access isn't there already public access directly next 1180 01:49:27,87 --> 01:49:33,23 door to this property. That actually is quite expansive public access at the John 1181 01:49:33,24 --> 01:49:40,02 drilling I believe it self. We are you referring to right 1182 01:49:40,03 --> 01:49:44,90 next to the property that's going to be purchased Jones River Landing It is not 1183 01:49:44,91 --> 01:49:50,42 what that the got of the boat yeah OK That was younger than the boat that is not 1184 01:49:50,43 --> 01:49:55,71 publicly held right where my gavel yet is not publicly held but doesn't allow for 1185 01:49:55,72 --> 01:50:00,03 public access know it's private property I thought it I thought my gosh anyway that 1186 01:50:00,04 --> 01:50:00,60 it had 1187 01:50:00,64 --> 01:50:07,07 a lot of you have access. As your public access in that immediate vicinity to the 1188 01:50:07,08 --> 01:50:13,91 judge or let's put it that way. Yeah mulligans. 1189 01:50:15,11 --> 01:50:17,80 Voted early. And then I had 1190 01:50:17,81 --> 01:50:23,06 a question for the Finance Committee as to what their opinion was and why they took 1191 01:50:23,07 --> 01:50:24,76 the notion of they did thank you. 1192 01:50:33,98 --> 01:50:38,18 Thank you Mr Harlow we live in a town that's rich in history we have done 1193 01:50:38,19 --> 01:50:42,51 a great deal of work and have invested millions upon millions of dollars in 1194 01:50:42,52 --> 01:50:47,71 preserving that history and yes some would argue that it's our duty to safeguard 1195 01:50:47,72 --> 01:50:52,55 that legacy However the Finance Committee's unfavorable vote on this article 1196 01:50:52,60 --> 01:50:58,30 reflects our opposition to using public funds for private investments we believe 1197 01:50:58,31 --> 01:51:03,98 that public tax dollars should support public programs and services this project 1198 01:51:03,99 --> 01:51:06,20 seeks to give one hundred twenty five thousand dollars to 1199 01:51:06,21 --> 01:51:08,36 a private entity to allow them to purchase 1200 01:51:08,37 --> 01:51:12,99 a piece of property to be added to their real estate portfolio the town has no 1201 01:51:13,00 --> 01:51:17,51 ownership rights to this property and there's nothing preventing the private group 1202 01:51:17,61 --> 01:51:22,10 from turning around and selling that property. The sale price as we heard is four 1203 01:51:22,11 --> 01:51:26,02 hundred seventy five thousand dollars and the appraisal came in at three hundred 1204 01:51:26,03 --> 01:51:31,82 sixty five thousand the home is in foreclosure and needs eighty to one hundred 1205 01:51:31,83 --> 01:51:38,30 thousand dollars in repairs and restoration. Are we going to see future C.P. 1206 01:51:38,43 --> 01:51:39,27 C.P.C. 1207 01:51:39,31 --> 01:51:44,98 Applications to cover the cost of additional restorations we don't know but we need 1208 01:51:44,99 --> 01:51:48,69 to take a holistic approach when we think about these things that that may be 1209 01:51:48,70 --> 01:51:53,68 a possibility and the town will recover the sixty thousand dollars in back taxes 1210 01:51:53,94 --> 01:51:59,17 regardless of who purchases the property. We also learned that the private group 1211 01:51:59,21 --> 01:52:03,76 already holds over seven hundred thousand dollars in real estate assets this 1212 01:52:03,77 --> 01:52:06,55 request would allow them to increase their real estate holdings to over 1213 01:52:06,56 --> 01:52:11,96 a million dollars with the use of public tax dollars we were also told that this 1214 01:52:11,97 --> 01:52:17,00 group will be moving forward with the purchase with or without the town funds we 1215 01:52:17,01 --> 01:52:22,73 would support them moving forward but not with the use of public tax dollars Lastly 1216 01:52:22,74 --> 01:52:26,84 we will remind everybody that last year this town meeting authorized 1217 01:52:26,85 --> 01:52:28,77 a study on the old burial ground 1218 01:52:28,78 --> 01:52:34,05 a cemetery with the expectation that restoration efforts will follow we discussed 1219 01:52:34,09 --> 01:52:36,63 that those restoration efforts could cost upwards of 1220 01:52:36,64 --> 01:52:41,36 a million dollars So we would argue that this is an example of where we need to 1221 01:52:41,37 --> 01:52:41,55 make 1222 01:52:41,56 --> 01:52:46,64 a decision and say no to more projects and till we have saved the sufficient funding 1223 01:52:46,87 --> 01:52:53,16 to cover the projects of the town's town owned property so for these reasons the 1224 01:52:53,17 --> 01:52:57,60 Finance Committee has voted unfavorable on this article. I think it was you know. 1225 01:53:00,24 --> 01:53:03,95 When you I'm going to ask town council to just address I want everybody to 1226 01:53:03,96 --> 01:53:08,63 understand preservation restrictions in what the town would be purchasing only 1227 01:53:08,64 --> 01:53:11,83 because I deal with them obviously in my practice but I'm sure 1228 01:53:11,84 --> 01:53:17,36 a lot of you don't so yeah the things in the guide to how they apply and if there's 1229 01:53:17,37 --> 01:53:22,24 a sense would say so thank you so historic restrictions run with the land and what 1230 01:53:22,25 --> 01:53:27,84 that means is subsequent purchasers are also subject to that restriction and your 1231 01:53:27,85 --> 01:53:33,49 second question I believe was if yes if Jones river the private entity goes forward 1232 01:53:33,50 --> 01:53:35,31 with the purchase without the C.P.A. 1233 01:53:35,32 --> 01:53:39,06 Funds then in less they have their own volition want to assert 1234 01:53:39,07 --> 01:53:44,63 a historic restriction on it which I doubt they would there would be no historic 1235 01:53:44,64 --> 01:53:50,39 restriction on the property. I just never did understand that the Historic 1236 01:53:50,40 --> 01:53:54,28 Preservation is for the town to buy to have those kinds of agents for that building 1237 01:53:54,29 --> 01:53:56,63 to remain. One second. 1238 01:54:01,21 --> 01:54:01,96 And we got it is 1239 01:54:01,97 --> 01:54:08,21 a private entry. Oh OK yes then that you know of yes yes shot 1240 01:54:08,99 --> 01:54:11,84 and it doesn't make it public and we got to leave and I just want to make like I 1241 01:54:11,85 --> 01:54:14,54 just would just would like to clarify speak it's been used 1242 01:54:14,55 --> 01:54:20,59 a lot here on Jones River Landing environmental Heritage Center it's not of 1243 01:54:20,63 --> 01:54:22,27 a private entity or 1244 01:54:22,28 --> 01:54:29,11 a you know framing this as the town. Appropriating two way 1245 01:54:29,69 --> 01:54:31,90 of you know private entity like like 1246 01:54:31,91 --> 01:54:38,18 a business ownership. You know similar interests is not what's happening. In the 1247 01:54:38,19 --> 01:54:41,49 landing center. There's as 1248 01:54:41,50 --> 01:54:44,97 a long track record of most you don't need to hear me say this but it is worth 1249 01:54:44,98 --> 01:54:50,08 pointing out with you know almost thirty years with the watershed associations 1250 01:54:50,09 --> 01:54:56,40 starting there but. Partnering with the town for public 1251 01:54:56,41 --> 01:55:03,34 stewardship of resources and so it's not you know I just have to push back on that 1252 01:55:03,35 --> 01:55:06,91 because we're not talking about an appropriation to 1253 01:55:07,31 --> 01:55:10,07 a private entity there are five A one C. 1254 01:55:10,08 --> 01:55:15,86 Three charity OK that's what we're looking for five hundred one c public charity 1255 01:55:15,87 --> 01:55:20,00 ladies and gentlemen. Just for everybody to make sure that they understand all the 1256 01:55:20,01 --> 01:55:27,01 facts I'm certain. I'm Barbara Burr to all 1257 01:55:27,02 --> 01:55:29,51 them Street in Kingston I'm 1258 01:55:29,52 --> 01:55:36,47 a board member of the J R W A The i'm just to clarify and 1259 01:55:36,51 --> 01:55:43,33 to. Add to or was just said. This organization 1260 01:55:44,18 --> 01:55:44,77 has 1261 01:55:44,88 --> 01:55:51,33 a track record. Of serving the town and the community through 1262 01:55:51,34 --> 01:55:56,55 education. Through shipbuilding where they're building 1263 01:55:56,56 --> 01:56:03,44 a lobster boat right now and it was an open house to come and look at it 1264 01:56:03,45 --> 01:56:10,26 less and less frightening. The town has 1265 01:56:11,30 --> 01:56:18,20 really focused on. Nothing but serving the community as far as this. 1266 01:56:19,23 --> 01:56:26,17 Boat goes. This is not that boat was not associated in any way with 1267 01:56:26,18 --> 01:56:32,97 the landing that boat. The boat that we had built 1268 01:56:33,26 --> 01:56:37,99 was done with some seventy five volunteers over 1269 01:56:37,100 --> 01:56:44,94 a course of five or six years and. Did 1270 01:56:44,95 --> 01:56:51,88 not cost the town one dollar. The Peter 1271 01:56:51,89 --> 01:56:58,76 Aaron Stam who is the ex captain of the Mayflower has been teaching at 1272 01:56:58,77 --> 01:57:04,15 the. Landing for several years. 1273 01:57:05,72 --> 01:57:11,02 That has had students building boats. And. 1274 01:57:12,60 --> 01:57:15,80 I just want to make that clear that this is not 1275 01:57:15,81 --> 01:57:22,61 a private organization in the sense that. If it's making money 1276 01:57:22,62 --> 01:57:25,46 or looking to to. 1277 01:57:29,57 --> 01:57:36,15 Do something with the house other than to preserve it as an historic entity 1278 01:57:36,64 --> 01:57:43,51 thank you thank you Mr Finance and then man you and then I'll go to Mr Don. I 1279 01:57:43,52 --> 01:57:47,15 want to get my We're going to use them and you're going to correctly is it accurate 1280 01:57:47,16 --> 01:57:50,45 that into the microphone we can hear you is it accurate that regardless of who 1281 01:57:50,46 --> 01:57:55,77 purchases this property is subject to be maintained historically in that whole that 1282 01:57:55,78 --> 01:58:02,50 whole thing that you know if if if we don't contribute we not me 1283 01:58:02,76 --> 01:58:07,55 the tonic Kingston does not contribute you're not getting that historic race 1284 01:58:07,69 --> 01:58:12,56 restriction unless Jones River decided unilaterally to do it of their own volition 1285 01:58:12,57 --> 01:58:16,41 but there's no reason for them to do so OK so by using the C.P.A. 1286 01:58:16,42 --> 01:58:20,31 Funds you're required to put in this historic race restriction that runs with the 1287 01:58:20,32 --> 01:58:22,60 land. As 1288 01:58:22,61 --> 01:58:26,42 a point of clarification on that does it matter how much is put in like if we put 1289 01:58:26,43 --> 01:58:28,26 in one dollar to the restrictions apply. 1290 01:58:33,76 --> 01:58:36,91 So no I mean any dollar of C.P.A. 1291 01:58:36,92 --> 01:58:42,61 Funds that gets put in. Would result in the historic restriction if if Jones are 1292 01:58:42,62 --> 01:58:47,80 very green they may decline the money then yeah OK pretty sure they knew if it were 1293 01:58:47,81 --> 01:58:52,71 a dollar or something you know. I'd like to make an amendment to the motion. 1294 01:58:55,53 --> 01:59:01,20 If you going to move it's. Never going to go through our I would think you know but 1295 01:59:01,24 --> 01:59:04,05 I just wanted to speak to the point of of 1296 01:59:04,12 --> 01:59:08,67 a private entity using public funds I would just like to ask all the voters here 1297 01:59:08,87 --> 01:59:10,78 how many of you here hold assets worth over 1298 01:59:10,79 --> 01:59:14,64 a million dollars How many of you here receive correspondence from the town 1299 01:59:14,68 --> 01:59:19,14 offering to give you money the correspondence I get from the town is my tax bill my 1300 01:59:19,15 --> 01:59:22,21 water bill asking for money so I think it would be 1301 01:59:22,22 --> 01:59:25,46 a very nice gesture to just hand out one hundred twenty five thousand dollars to 1302 01:59:25,47 --> 01:59:28,88 a private entity but I'd like to be the next private in the in line to get one 1303 01:59:28,89 --> 01:59:31,84 hundred twenty five thousand dollars from the town something tells me that's not 1304 01:59:31,85 --> 01:59:35,93 going to happen so our encourage all vote against it thank you thank you Mr const 1305 01:59:36,05 --> 01:59:42,81 on. Come on if we can get it down we want to get the debate because we would like 1306 01:59:42,82 --> 01:59:49,71 to maybe try to get through all the articles. And then is to 1307 01:59:49,72 --> 01:59:56,17 do. Carol will say twenty nine whopping road can you just clarify that this money 1308 01:59:56,18 --> 02:00:01,24 is already there in the bucket that the town voted to put it in for just this 1309 02:00:01,25 --> 02:00:08,18 purpose is that accurate to say no it's not so seventy thousand 1310 02:00:08,19 --> 02:00:12,99 dollars is from undesignated community preservation fund into that you've got to 1311 02:00:13,00 --> 02:00:19,93 move this up to here. I'm really shouting seventy six thousand seven hundred 1312 02:00:20,24 --> 02:00:25,91 dollars is from undoes it needed whereas forty eight thousand is from the historic 1313 02:00:25,92 --> 02:00:30,21 private preservation balance so that bucket OK what happens if I may just explain 1314 02:00:30,22 --> 02:00:33,79 that to. When we put the money in the bucket when the buckets aren't used then the 1315 02:00:33,80 --> 02:00:34,67 money goes into an there's 1316 02:00:34,68 --> 02:00:38,89 a good Right OK So we're still there and it's not we're not going to be raising our 1317 02:00:38,90 --> 02:00:43,78 taxes now to pay for this is that correct correct this is all C.P.C. 1318 02:00:43,79 --> 02:00:50,40 Money thank you. Mr 1319 02:00:50,41 --> 02:00:56,11 Dalton And number two times the of either way. Number two times of year out after 1320 02:00:56,12 --> 02:01:01,69 the set A couple points there one is as the slaves brought after the funds are 1321 02:01:01,70 --> 02:01:07,44 there again microphone sign these Demick the people who have been hearing people 1322 02:01:07,45 --> 02:01:14,24 can hear in the back OK all of these are public. Funded. By the town here 1323 02:01:14,54 --> 02:01:15,17 the C.P.A. 1324 02:01:15,18 --> 02:01:20,59 Funds are there for that purpose now some are designated like we just did tonight 1325 02:01:20,75 --> 02:01:25,82 the three buckets that was just Orca ones are going towards as the price the rest 1326 02:01:25,95 --> 02:01:30,45 go into the designated But just because they're on designated It means that they 1327 02:01:30,46 --> 02:01:35,92 are for any of the projects categories that we have historic preservation open 1328 02:01:35,93 --> 02:01:41,80 space affordable housing or recreation so those funds up for that purpose that's 1329 02:01:41,81 --> 02:01:43,76 why we feel that this is 1330 02:01:43,77 --> 02:01:47,20 a good use of these funds because that's what we put them in the buckets for that's 1331 02:01:47,21 --> 02:01:51,98 what we put in that's what we put this money in there for the other thing is the 1332 02:01:51,99 --> 02:01:58,86 public funds for private or semi-private or. Nonprofit groups or whatever 1333 02:01:59,21 --> 02:02:03,44 we're providing funding and what do we get out of it we're getting out of the views 1334 02:02:03,45 --> 02:02:07,77 of that property for the rest of our lives and our children's lives that house will 1335 02:02:07,78 --> 02:02:12,81 be there will be part of that context of this court shipyard for the rest of our 1336 02:02:12,82 --> 02:02:17,80 lives the town and the preservation of that access to the river we're getting 1337 02:02:17,81 --> 02:02:24,70 something for that money. The town gets the rights for the access forever if 1338 02:02:24,71 --> 02:02:26,42 we get to a C.P.A. 1339 02:02:26,60 --> 02:02:30,75 Request later it's people come to us for money later and the committee thinks it's 1340 02:02:30,76 --> 02:02:36,85 worth it we bring it to town meeting if you don't like it you voted down. So we 1341 02:02:36,86 --> 02:02:42,97 don't see that happening and I don't see us recommending it really because. Right 1342 02:02:42,98 --> 02:02:46,50 now we're getting something for our money we're getting the preservation F. 1343 02:02:46,51 --> 02:02:51,26 Building in the. That area forever but when they come later if they didn't get this 1344 02:02:51,58 --> 02:02:55,26 after if we voted in tonight and we put that P.R. 1345 02:02:55,27 --> 02:02:59,16 On it the preservation restriction on it the access to the river right we've got 1346 02:02:59,17 --> 02:03:02,56 what we're getting now that there's not much more that they can give us that we 1347 02:03:02,57 --> 02:03:07,05 want to give money for so you could vote it down the future you can vote down 1348 02:03:07,06 --> 02:03:12,78 tonight just like this so don't worry about them coming for more they do be here 1349 02:03:12,79 --> 02:03:16,88 and vote down but I don't think that's going to happen we're getting what we want 1350 02:03:16,89 --> 02:03:21,19 with this money tonight we have an opportunity if that house goes to someone else 1351 02:03:21,72 --> 02:03:25,40 we don't have that opportunity they can do what they want with the house that house 1352 02:03:25,75 --> 02:03:29,11 who knows what's going to happen to it hopefully the person that buys it or gets it 1353 02:03:29,37 --> 02:03:34,60 if we if the Jones related doesn't get it we'll treat it accordingly but that's not 1354 02:03:34,61 --> 02:03:38,21 guaranteed and you know that they go to Duxbury and see the huge house being torn 1355 02:03:38,22 --> 02:03:40,97 down so we're thinking we're getting 1356 02:03:40,98 --> 02:03:45,62 a good value for that money here from money that's designated for that purpose and 1357 02:03:45,63 --> 02:03:51,11 that's why we think we should go for it tonight thank you Mr Dalton ma'am. Ma'am 1358 02:03:52,11 --> 02:03:58,53 Ellen cook seventy Elm Street my question to begin with was that fact that the 1359 02:03:58,54 --> 02:04:05,42 community preservation funds are only to be used to preserve our history and our 1360 02:04:05,92 --> 02:04:12,37 and you know the preservation here in the community. I feel very 1361 02:04:12,38 --> 02:04:13,55 fortunate to live in 1362 02:04:13,56 --> 02:04:19,06 a town that's so rich in history we have these funds and I can't think of 1363 02:04:19,07 --> 02:04:23,58 a better use for them than to preserve something like this thank you this 1364 02:04:23,59 --> 02:04:30,48 a Keating. And then your next name. QUESTION OK well I recognized 1365 02:04:30,49 --> 02:04:34,64 her so I'm going to her and then I'll move your question thank you Amy Belmore 1366 02:04:34,65 --> 02:04:37,66 fifty four evergreen street I was hoping someone could just speak 1367 02:04:37,67 --> 02:04:41,99 a little bit more about the research and education that would be taking place in 1368 02:04:42,00 --> 02:04:47,00 that building and I asked that question in the context of McCain and suggested 1369 02:04:47,01 --> 02:04:52,97 earlier that there wasn't value in terms of public service to this building and I 1370 02:04:53,01 --> 02:04:57,85 would argue differently than that with warming waters with sea level rise with the 1371 02:04:57,86 --> 02:05:02,52 needs to really understand our ecosystems at this time and going forward I would 1372 02:05:02,53 --> 02:05:06,41 love to hear more and I understand and I actually know the work of the Johns really 1373 02:05:06,42 --> 02:05:08,27 ending and have known them for 1374 02:05:08,28 --> 02:05:11,22 a while but I would love to hear more about the work that would take place in that 1375 02:05:11,23 --> 02:05:15,32 building so that people could understand that there is public value in public 1376 02:05:15,33 --> 02:05:21,33 service to this offering OK Mr Bracken you were approached that limited basis 1377 02:05:21,37 --> 02:05:22,47 things in 1378 02:05:22,48 --> 02:05:26,22 a very general sense and I would defer to you know one of the winning board members 1379 02:05:26,23 --> 02:05:29,58 for more detail but what do you want them to speak are you going to speak I'm just 1380 02:05:30,04 --> 02:05:33,17 going to answer OK so who do you want to speak who can answer that. 1381 02:05:37,21 --> 02:05:37,60 Thank you. 1382 02:05:47,43 --> 02:05:54,04 The. Readings everybody. Can you hear me 1383 02:05:54,05 --> 02:06:00,47 now yeah. Thank you for entertaining this article we really appreciate it so 1384 02:06:00,83 --> 02:06:07,40 the idea that we have for this house is to expand our ecology 1385 02:06:07,41 --> 02:06:08,85 program by having 1386 02:06:08,86 --> 02:06:14,97 a contract with one of the universities of higher learning in our area or in the 1387 02:06:14,98 --> 02:06:21,82 interior that would send masters and doctoral students to this house Tuesday 1388 02:06:21,83 --> 02:06:23,96 for a day a week 1389 02:06:23,97 --> 02:06:30,59 a month three years we don't care to advance whatever science they're working on 1390 02:06:30,86 --> 02:06:36,11 to advance our knowledge of the river the bay what's happening as 1391 02:06:36,12 --> 02:06:41,60 a result of climate change and to share it with the community at large meaning the 1392 02:06:41,61 --> 02:06:48,47 region we think it would be that fascinating and fabulous opportunity for them 1393 02:06:48,72 --> 02:06:55,65 we think it is necessary and needed for us and because we have boats at the 1394 02:06:55,66 --> 02:07:00,67 landing and because we have an ecology program and public programming we think that 1395 02:07:00,68 --> 02:07:06,58 we can take that those opportunities that we're giving to others and enrich the 1396 02:07:06,59 --> 02:07:12,25 town spirit of understanding of their river of the river stewardship of the river 1397 02:07:12,47 --> 02:07:14,12 and our chances for 1398 02:07:14,13 --> 02:07:20,41 a better life tomorrow thank you thank you Mr. I miss the Keatings of the question 1399 02:07:20,83 --> 02:07:27,66 all those Did somebody say Point of order. I well I'm doing my job 1400 02:07:27,92 --> 02:07:32,98 now on the motion to move the question I Mr Keating did I have 1401 02:07:32,99 --> 02:07:38,19 a second on that motion of the president. I have 1402 02:07:38,20 --> 02:07:43,14 a second on that all those in favor of moving the question say I was all those 1403 02:07:43,15 --> 02:07:49,78 opposed. Motion carries with majority vote Hasan Jack Johnson on motion 1404 02:07:49,79 --> 02:07:56,64 three under Article sixteen all those in favor say aye aye aye All those 1405 02:07:56,65 --> 02:08:03,58 opposed. To it's type and I'm going to call it I mean 1406 02:08:03,59 --> 02:08:05,89 it I think it's whenever we're counted. 1407 02:08:11,06 --> 02:08:16,63 That's it's. Just. Sorry I'm so sorry. 1408 02:08:21,38 --> 02:08:27,31 Sorry gonta the vote sorry but he was moving it on quickly sound. This is the vote 1409 02:08:27,41 --> 02:08:30,58 this is the this is the vote we already took I already took 1410 02:08:30,59 --> 02:08:35,24 a verbal vote lays in John and we're now in voting nothing else can happen by 1411 02:08:35,25 --> 02:08:41,72 voting OK just to be clear. All those in favor of motion three under 1412 02:08:42,30 --> 02:08:44,88 sixteen raise your great cod. 1413 02:09:22,17 --> 02:09:28,78 Mr Badler seventy Mr Bassler seventy Mr Peping Mr Pepys thirty one Mr 1414 02:09:28,79 --> 02:09:35,46 Armstrong in strong strong as twenty nine all those in opposition to motion three 1415 02:09:35,47 --> 02:09:37,45 under Article sixteen great guy. 1416 02:09:48,11 --> 02:09:48,36 Thank you. 1417 02:10:02,72 --> 02:10:09,62 Mr Basil or. Mr Bowers there is eight Mr Peping. Mr Pepe is twenty 1418 02:10:09,63 --> 02:10:16,24 three Mr Armstrong. Mr Armstrong is thirty one. Ladies and 1419 02:10:16,25 --> 02:10:19,68 gentlemen the motion carries with majority vote one hundred thirty in favor and 1420 02:10:19,69 --> 02:10:26,58 sixty two in opposition. To time. Cannot be good 1421 02:10:26,59 --> 02:10:32,08 business to do pushing pushing Kerry's majority. Maison John 1422 02:10:32,09 --> 02:10:34,24 a minister adult has 1423 02:10:34,25 --> 02:10:39,15 a motion to reconsider. I have 1424 02:10:39,16 --> 02:10:45,80 a second on that motion to reconsider on on on the motion three so I should've been 1425 02:10:45,81 --> 02:10:51,80 clear on that this is motion to reconsider motion three on Article sixteen. 1426 02:10:58,39 --> 02:11:00,83 Having a second on that lays And John in a boat 1427 02:11:00,98 --> 02:11:06,06 a boat. You want to motion I mean I vote two on 1428 02:11:06,07 --> 02:11:11,45 a motion to reconsider means if you vote yes you want to reopen debate and debate 1429 02:11:11,46 --> 02:11:13,63 the motion again all right so 1430 02:11:13,64 --> 02:11:19,28 a yes vote means we open debate and debate it again I know vote is close to seven 1431 02:11:19,29 --> 02:11:24,53 he's got those motion to reconsider all those in favor of motion to reconsider say 1432 02:11:24,54 --> 02:11:31,19 I. All those opposed. Motion to reconsider. 1433 02:11:33,04 --> 02:11:39,78 Does not carry. Right. Moving on come on again kinds of. Moving on 1434 02:11:39,79 --> 02:11:46,34 topical twenty four. But. 1435 02:11:52,61 --> 02:11:55,88 Let me just go back to I need to get back up to it to be one second to get there 1436 02:11:56,54 --> 02:12:01,20 yes yes we're going to do two motions and we're going to figure out yet so I've got 1437 02:12:01,21 --> 02:12:06,32 to meet here. We did this the first night we were not knocking these out so we have 1438 02:12:06,33 --> 02:12:12,81 motion one and then we made the. Yes. We can see. 1439 02:12:14,60 --> 02:12:18,06 It here because you were the ones you guys recommended it because otherwise we end 1440 02:12:18,07 --> 02:12:18,36 up with 1441 02:12:18,37 --> 02:12:23,60 a majority yeah yeah yeah two thirds vote yes I will have we're trying to go to war 1442 02:12:23,69 --> 02:12:29,19 yeah you're right you're right and just happens OK so. I ladies and gentlemen 1443 02:12:29,20 --> 02:12:34,72 moving on to Article twenty four McMullan we're breaking this one again between 1444 02:12:34,73 --> 02:12:39,42 recommendation of moderator and town council because of the nature of votes in the 1445 02:12:39,43 --> 02:12:45,47 tally of votes on this one this is going to be two motions. Motion one as you will 1446 02:12:45,48 --> 02:12:50,57 see will be the first part of the motion and then motion two will stop. 1447 02:12:52,49 --> 02:12:58,48 And we got to the actual. You know it's first. Writes. 1448 02:13:00,43 --> 02:13:04,38 I'm sorry it's clear if I just say that the first motion is there is 1449 02:13:04,39 --> 02:13:09,64 a general by law change amendment and then the second motion which in says and 1450 02:13:09,65 --> 02:13:14,93 further to amend the zoning by law because there are two different voting 1451 02:13:14,97 --> 02:13:19,89 classifications So those are going to be the two motions and if you can move the 1452 02:13:19,90 --> 02:13:26,06 first motion should move to the town amend that's how to Kingston general bylaws. 1453 02:13:28,23 --> 02:13:33,10 You can't I mean is there anything cable can do about that. And we get some volume 1454 02:13:33,10 --> 02:13:39,05 . You need to point it to adjourn mouses what people say I mean I know but that. 1455 02:13:41,14 --> 02:13:41,38 Is 1456 02:13:41,43 --> 02:13:48,48 a lot of noise. Well. Thank you Mr Clarke 1457 02:13:49,40 --> 02:13:54,71 We can hear it all believe it or not. Go ahead Miss McFarland All right I'm going 1458 02:13:54,72 --> 02:14:00,51 to try again is that better yes perfect All righty all right know that the town I'm 1459 02:14:00,52 --> 02:14:07,01 in the town of Kingston general bylaws to amend Chapter six public peace and safety 1460 02:14:07,29 --> 02:14:14,10 to add an. You Article seven marijuana which would prohibit public consumption of 1461 02:14:14,11 --> 02:14:20,95 marijuana and all types of recreational marijuana establishments as 1462 02:14:20,96 --> 02:14:24,19 defined in general Law Chapter ninety four G. 1463 02:14:24,20 --> 02:14:30,46 Section one including marijuana cultivator marijuana testing facility 1464 02:14:30,74 --> 02:14:36,16 marijuana product manufacturer marijuana retailer or any other type of licensed 1465 02:14:36,17 --> 02:14:42,34 marijuana related business in the town of Kingston as printed in the warrant. Do I 1466 02:14:42,35 --> 02:14:44,68 have a second. I have 1467 02:14:44,69 --> 02:14:51,04 a second on that. Fine Board of Selectmen vote. You're waiting for today 1468 02:14:51,84 --> 02:14:54,22 if you could just let me know if you make 1469 02:14:54,23 --> 02:14:58,03 a vote before then you know because when things once it goes to move 1470 02:14:58,04 --> 02:15:02,01 a question you are losing it. Miss We have 1471 02:15:02,02 --> 02:15:07,53 a second on that respect found if you can address your motion one sure this is 1472 02:15:07,54 --> 02:15:14,03 pretty self-explanatory it prohibits people from smoking marijuana or in the in 1473 02:15:14,04 --> 02:15:20,60 public places parks and things like that pretty much just like you would liquor. In 1474 02:15:20,61 --> 02:15:27,16 the second part bans. All types of recreational establishment sales listed 1475 02:15:27,45 --> 02:15:34,22 so that that business would not be able to take place in Kingston. That was 1476 02:15:34,23 --> 02:15:39,58 very sustained and thank you and wonderfully explained so thank you very much for 1477 02:15:39,59 --> 02:15:46,48 that Ms McFarlane. All right coming over here. Yes 1478 02:15:46,73 --> 02:15:52,39 just. By the way Point of order is just whether what's moving is illegal irrelevant 1479 02:15:52,40 --> 02:15:55,81 or frivolous what's happened so I mean I think this point of order is getting 1480 02:15:55,82 --> 02:15:59,46 a little out of control and people using it every which way but not OK well I don't 1481 02:15:59,47 --> 02:16:02,30 know if you know you know me I apologize we're going to probably I'm trying to 1482 02:16:02,31 --> 02:16:06,77 understand what is being separated so is six seven one and six seven two together 1483 02:16:07,02 --> 02:16:10,58 are those issues going to be voted on and debated separately right said you know 1484 02:16:10,59 --> 02:16:14,99 how in you know in you want you have it right here you have motion one on the 1485 02:16:15,00 --> 02:16:20,14 bottom it says most move and it says move that the timing so it goes all the way up 1486 02:16:20,15 --> 02:16:24,14 through and that's just the general by law change and then it says in further this 1487 02:16:24,15 --> 02:16:28,96 only by law which then does all of the article so so what you're referring to is 1488 02:16:29,03 --> 02:16:35,66 this article and this motion includes six seven one three six seven four those are 1489 02:16:35,67 --> 02:16:41,53 all general by law provisions requiring a majority vote so and then you draw 1490 02:16:41,54 --> 02:16:46,18 a line and get to zoning which is going to be says Honestly OK yeah not 1491 02:16:46,19 --> 02:16:50,33 a moderator if I may what is the that was a point of order that was 1492 02:16:50,34 --> 02:16:56,80 a point of order what I just did yes OK that was the point I. Think you. 1493 02:16:57,82 --> 02:17:03,67 Got in the back thank you yes. It's all right that's all you got the OK it's now 1494 02:17:03,68 --> 02:17:07,92 classified Is there any other clarification that what's the proper procedure to try 1495 02:17:07,93 --> 02:17:14,65 to separate from the vote we are to did it. So happening right now he wants just 1496 02:17:14,66 --> 02:17:19,11 let me just say let me put it like this if someone is in favor of the Bushman's but 1497 02:17:19,12 --> 02:17:23,39 is against smoking in public and how can we vote on those issues separately OK with 1498 02:17:23,40 --> 02:17:26,60 and that you have to wait such a turn OK OK So you're 1499 02:17:26,61 --> 02:17:33,07 a few minutes OK. You're up to full or two thirty three Country Club away 1500 02:17:33,49 --> 02:17:36,68 as this article has is bound to have 1501 02:17:36,69 --> 02:17:41,66 a lot of discussion and as it is nine twenty two in child care is ended I asked to 1502 02:17:41,67 --> 02:17:48,13 move the article to the next Wednesday to go to Article twenty eight next. So the 1503 02:17:48,14 --> 02:17:53,48 question comes from the I think the question comes in and keep. In. 1504 02:17:56,84 --> 02:18:02,19 Mind. When the emotions she. 1505 02:18:04,82 --> 02:18:08,84 Should. Have. To live. 1506 02:18:12,48 --> 02:18:18,97 With and so. Don't really have the. Song which 1507 02:18:19,85 --> 02:18:26,19 so many out and so on is like. What everybody wants to moderate because. 1508 02:18:28,31 --> 02:18:33,18 It's trying to discuss issues with Town Council the issue that we have is this the 1509 02:18:33,19 --> 02:18:39,04 motion has been moved it is now on the table so we are debating it now so if the 1510 02:18:39,08 --> 02:18:42,36 well we didn't do that last night concern let me finish and I'm going to explain it 1511 02:18:42,37 --> 02:18:48,98 to you OK if you had filed if you had moved prior to the moving of the motion then 1512 02:18:48,99 --> 02:18:53,13 we could move it but it's already on the table it's now here and it's before the 1513 02:18:53,14 --> 02:18:57,88 board it's before the members so that's what happens I understand what you are 1514 02:18:57,89 --> 02:19:02,15 reading everybody one second I understand what you're saying that the prior the 1515 02:19:02,16 --> 02:19:06,91 motions to reconsider or amend the prior opening motion that everything's called 1516 02:19:06,92 --> 02:19:12,34 out of order blah blah blah those were all done before the motion was. Moved it has 1517 02:19:12,35 --> 02:19:17,24 to happen before the motion is moved Madam moderators respectfully disagree the 1518 02:19:17,25 --> 02:19:23,60 same thing happened last week in the same order and and and it was moved so there 1519 02:19:23,61 --> 02:19:27,74 is precedent for this action now I think cause and there is precedent for this 1520 02:19:27,75 --> 02:19:28,99 action not 1521 02:19:29,00 --> 02:19:33,58 a moderator Thank you Mr Foley there isn't because I'm explaining I think I'm going 1522 02:19:33,59 --> 02:19:37,55 to gather you down if you don't let me speak I said from the beginning one person 1523 02:19:37,56 --> 02:19:42,78 at a time so one moment now the last time we had 1524 02:19:42,82 --> 02:19:47,36 a potential error with the bylaw that needed to be studied by town council that's 1525 02:19:47,37 --> 02:19:52,51 an extreme exception that's not what you doing here what you're saying is that this 1526 02:19:52,52 --> 02:19:53,05 is going to take 1527 02:19:53,06 --> 02:19:57,56 a while let's debate it next week and what I'm saying is that's not the same we we 1528 02:19:57,57 --> 02:20:01,28 put that went in put it in late in suspended that hearing because there was an 1529 02:20:01,32 --> 02:20:04,37 issue very specifically on the legality of 1530 02:20:04,38 --> 02:20:08,24 a bylaw so I am ruling it you cannot make a motion OK and 1531 02:20:08,25 --> 02:20:13,32 a moderator and I respectfully disagree Thank you you are you are you are editing 1532 02:20:13,33 --> 02:20:17,79 up motions from last I'm not last week you are now but without the only one that 1533 02:20:17,80 --> 02:20:19,17 was I my modem not 1534 02:20:19,18 --> 02:20:24,87 a question I motion to move the question too late you already debated south now 1535 02:20:24,88 --> 02:20:31,12 ladies and gentlemen that time is off so it will be debated sow 1536 02:20:31,56 --> 02:20:37,24 moving on. But casket fifty five South Street 1537 02:20:38,08 --> 02:20:42,23 a common theme at town meeting this year is been that we are in the top one third 1538 02:20:42,24 --> 02:20:47,69 of property tax rates in the state the lack of revenue we have is Mr Pelly due to 1539 02:20:47,70 --> 02:20:52,69 the lack of commercial businesses contributing to the tax base prevents us from 1540 02:20:52,70 --> 02:20:59,63 doing all the things that our residents want. So what's the problem with marijuana 1541 02:21:00,65 --> 02:21:03,42 in one thousand seventy marijuana was first listed as 1542 02:21:03,43 --> 02:21:08,74 a Schedule one substance not because of sound science but because of the lack of it 1543 02:21:08,74 --> 02:21:14,00 . The assistant secretary of Health said at the time since there is still 1544 02:21:14,01 --> 02:21:18,85 a considerable void in our knowledge of the plan and effects of the active drug 1545 02:21:18,86 --> 02:21:23,08 contained in it I recommendation is that marijuana be retained as 1546 02:21:23,09 --> 02:21:29,72 a Schedule one at least until the completion of certain studies now underway to 1547 02:21:29,73 --> 02:21:35,13 resolve the issue since it was now a schedule one substance the research came to 1548 02:21:35,14 --> 02:21:41,32 a screeching halt compelling evidence exists that in fact classifying marijuana as 1549 02:21:41,33 --> 02:21:43,15 a Schedule one substance was 1550 02:21:43,16 --> 02:21:48,17 a political decision and interview with John Ehrlichman counsel an assistant to 1551 02:21:48,18 --> 02:21:53,74 President Nixon for domestic affairs shed light on the subject when he said we know 1552 02:21:53,75 --> 02:22:00,09 we could make it illegal to either be black or against the war but by getting the 1553 02:22:00,10 --> 02:22:05,17 public to associate hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin and then 1554 02:22:05,18 --> 02:22:10,53 criminalizing both heavily we could disrupt those communities Earl can said we 1555 02:22:10,54 --> 02:22:15,41 could arrest their leaders raid their homes break up their meetings and follow fi 1556 02:22:15,42 --> 02:22:19,74 them night after night and the Evening News did we know we were lying about the 1557 02:22:19,75 --> 02:22:24,53 drug of course we did let that sink in it was 1558 02:22:24,54 --> 02:22:28,42 a license lack of science that resulted in marijuana being listed as 1559 02:22:28,43 --> 02:22:34,78 a Schedule one substance OK So what do scientists say today Dr Sanjay Gupta 1560 02:22:35,25 --> 02:22:37,48 chief medical correspondent for C.N.N. 1561 02:22:37,70 --> 02:22:37,95 Wrote 1562 02:22:37,96 --> 02:22:43,72 a Time magazine article in two thousand and nine titled Why I would vote no on pot 1563 02:22:44,34 --> 02:22:48,14 he then reviewed the science from around the world because it was 1564 02:22:48,15 --> 02:22:53,06 a Schedule one substance pot was illegal and almost no such scientific research was 1565 02:22:53,07 --> 02:22:58,35 being done in America. The result of his research but doesn't have 1566 02:22:58,39 --> 02:23:03,70 a high potential for abuse there are very legitimate medical applications sometimes 1567 02:23:03,71 --> 02:23:08,83 the only thing that works he has concluded that marijuana reduces opioid overdoses 1568 02:23:09,21 --> 02:23:13,62 because it's affected that managing pain and the symptoms of opioid withdrawal 1569 02:23:14,53 --> 02:23:20,82 opioids change the brain making it harder to stop marijuana heals the brain this is 1570 02:23:20,83 --> 02:23:24,12 from a doctor has studied it. But why is this still 1571 02:23:24,13 --> 02:23:26,46 a Schedule one substance let's take 1572 02:23:26,47 --> 02:23:31,88 a look at Big Pharma the anti-pot campaigns being fought all isn't on you Mr Cossey 1573 02:23:31,93 --> 02:23:38,31 going to be on any time so keep going I wrap it up. Come back OK if we make the 1574 02:23:38,32 --> 02:23:43,54 sale of pot illegal in Kingston It won't stop one person from using it they simply 1575 02:23:43,55 --> 02:23:48,56 will drive to Plymouth or any other town with sales illegal they will pay the tax 1576 02:23:48,57 --> 02:23:52,63 at that town instead of Kingston if they get the munchies they will buy their pizza 1577 02:23:52,64 --> 02:23:57,51 or chips in that town instead of going to the father Reckitt I taught high school 1578 02:23:57,52 --> 02:24:02,14 for forty years and as such I have done research and know quite well the dangers of 1579 02:24:02,15 --> 02:24:07,24 marijuana use for young people. Alcohol is illegal for young people until they turn 1580 02:24:07,25 --> 02:24:11,70 twenty one tobacco was also be legal for young people until they're eighteen and 1581 02:24:11,71 --> 02:24:16,26 then some cases in twenty one to know this that is appropriate some of the tax 1582 02:24:16,27 --> 02:24:20,48 revenue could be used to educate children and their parents as to potential harm of 1583 02:24:20,49 --> 02:24:24,37 using marijuana to young and by the way cigarettes you know call 1584 02:24:24,38 --> 02:24:29,14 a significantly more addictive than pot and they are available all over town think 1585 02:24:29,15 --> 02:24:36,06 it is the constant. Violence Act. And I thought. You just end up you 1586 02:24:36,07 --> 02:24:39,29 know Bonser three from the state. I have 1587 02:24:39,30 --> 02:24:45,79 a problem with the wording on this. Six dash dash one no 1588 02:24:45,80 --> 02:24:51,58 personal small congestion otherwise use our consumer want to try harder to whatever 1589 02:24:51,59 --> 02:24:57,67 the hell that is. While it up on any street I think it should be any public street 1590 02:24:57,71 --> 02:25:03,90 any public sideway and even public for way any public passageway any public stay is 1591 02:25:04,57 --> 02:25:10,56 the way it's worded you Nabila smoke this injustice or use it for medical purposes 1592 02:25:10,83 --> 02:25:17,11 anywhere. That I have said enough for you OK town council again without me I mean 1593 02:25:17,12 --> 02:25:23,89 you know on the price. Private consumption is allowed under ninety four G. 1594 02:25:23,90 --> 02:25:29,85 And under the Act that was approved in two thousand and sixteen by vote this is 1595 02:25:29,86 --> 02:25:35,36 just for public places where public has access Well that's why I believe it should 1596 02:25:35,37 --> 02:25:37,100 be public because if this is going to become 1597 02:25:38,01 --> 02:25:44,54 a by law that's the law OK I will have rather see it if it passes which I hope it 1598 02:25:44,55 --> 02:25:50,52 doesn't by the way. That it needs to say public because any time they want they 1599 02:25:50,53 --> 02:25:53,47 could turn around on you and Larry if I may write 1600 02:25:53,48 --> 02:25:57,22 a book on SEC It's actually says it in the beginning it says which would prohibit 1601 02:25:57,23 --> 02:26:02,52 public consumption of marijuana in all types of recreational So it's public 1602 02:26:02,53 --> 02:26:07,38 consumption and then it goes into all right here we take the streets to sidewalk to 1603 02:26:07,39 --> 02:26:12,33 public ways because if the same thing public consumption interest we were 1604 02:26:12,34 --> 02:26:16,45 a public consumption but the way it's worded I believe we should free public 1605 02:26:17,19 --> 02:26:23,82 between every And for every other public. Public way. Right. 1606 02:26:27,87 --> 02:26:28,15 To make 1607 02:26:28,16 --> 02:26:35,07 a motion for. The 1608 02:26:35,08 --> 02:26:41,36 right home and second. Doesn't need it and that's interesting because this is but 1609 02:26:41,37 --> 02:26:45,88 this is what becomes the statute. In Me God forbid this is. 1610 02:26:53,75 --> 02:26:54,46 Where you can if it's 1611 02:26:54,47 --> 02:27:00,48 a public sidewalk you not only can't smoke in public. But the difference being is 1612 02:27:00,49 --> 02:27:05,11 a public waits as any street sidewalk public way footways down space or that in 1613 02:27:05,12 --> 02:27:10,86 a region and use no street crime where there is no private street. Is 1614 02:27:10,87 --> 02:27:13,66 a private way. It's 1615 02:27:13,67 --> 02:27:18,09 a distinction and Our Gang consumption OK but then what about the difference 1616 02:27:18,10 --> 02:27:20,92 between what counts what town councils indicating 1617 02:27:20,93 --> 02:27:25,03 a Xian is that there are no private streets there are private ways but there are no 1618 02:27:25,04 --> 02:27:31,50 private streets all streets are considered public and that's statutory. So. 1619 02:27:33,09 --> 02:27:39,91 You can in one sentence and meet Yeah OK so you want to amend it to read well 1620 02:27:39,92 --> 02:27:43,52 in upon any and you want public before every item right. 1621 02:27:46,99 --> 02:27:51,30 Correct I'm just trying to be clear on what you're amending and everything in front 1622 02:27:51,31 --> 02:27:52,64 of so public school house 1623 02:27:52,65 --> 02:27:57,38 a public school grounds public cemetery public parking lots you want to in front of 1624 02:27:57,38 --> 02:27:57,38 . 1625 02:28:15,12 --> 02:28:19,08 The second no lays down we're discussing some Anybody can wait there has also the 1626 02:28:19,09 --> 02:28:25,80 issue the reason that Utah really the reason why they put. Stink shin between here 1627 02:28:25,81 --> 02:28:32,75 you the reason why they listed public way in that in the legislation 1628 02:28:32,76 --> 02:28:35,89 in the by law is to distinguish between that in 1629 02:28:35,90 --> 02:28:40,20 a private way OK persona what you're saying is he can if he adds and just says to 1630 02:28:40,21 --> 02:28:45,50 the do it while in or upon any public colon with that work if you have public oh 1631 02:28:45,51 --> 02:28:49,80 and yeah and then it would be all of them yeah OK so it would be right here to 1632 02:28:50,40 --> 02:28:51,48 public Cohen I'm not 1633 02:28:51,49 --> 02:28:54,95 a moderator they don't put public in front of the building as well if you yeah we 1634 02:28:54,96 --> 02:28:58,56 read it we know if she's the only interruption publicly we've got 1635 02:28:58,57 --> 02:29:04,55 a public. Public So if we do public and then home OK 1636 02:29:05,42 --> 02:29:12,21 so your motion to amend would be to amend seven six staff seven dash 1637 02:29:12,22 --> 02:29:18,98 one adding public after the first any. And in 1638 02:29:18,99 --> 02:29:20,20 a coal and public in 1639 02:29:20,21 --> 02:29:26,06 a colon after first and. You're going to write it. You going to write it off. 1640 02:29:27,84 --> 02:29:34,30 You have a paper. Here. It's 1641 02:29:34,31 --> 02:29:37,03 a statue let me do it I'm sorry it's become good as long. 1642 02:29:41,93 --> 02:29:42,12 As. 1643 02:29:55,46 --> 02:29:58,40 There's. No right. 1644 02:30:21,73 --> 02:30:22,11 OK. 1645 02:30:32,38 --> 02:30:35,12 OK. So we have 1646 02:30:35,13 --> 02:30:40,97 a motion to amend in the motion to amend would be to add the word public before the 1647 02:30:40,98 --> 02:30:45,43 first any in sixty seven dosh one so that in then 1648 02:30:45,44 --> 02:30:52,36 a colon in order to designate that it would only be public. All of the other 1649 02:30:52,37 --> 02:30:58,97 items listed so any private anything else is excluded from that designation so can 1650 02:30:58,98 --> 02:31:03,88 you sign that Mr Johnson OK Thank you. Because. 1651 02:31:05,90 --> 02:31:11,33 This is. So. 1652 02:31:14,81 --> 02:31:21,38 It's one. Second the second I'm so sick 1653 02:31:21,39 --> 02:31:26,83 someone I know it's a pain but yeah. Hi Ladies and gentlemen so we also have 1654 02:31:26,84 --> 02:31:31,37 a friendly amendment under the word misspelling of the word marijuana. In that one 1655 02:31:31,38 --> 02:31:36,79 because it would be it's not marijuana it's marijuana so. 1656 02:31:39,76 --> 02:31:45,28 You can spell it. Yeah but keep it consistent because it's just ink and yes Libyans 1657 02:31:45,82 --> 02:31:49,87 and I use the we use the jack consuls actually telling us legally it's spelled both 1658 02:31:49,88 --> 02:31:52,60 ways. So that's 1659 02:31:52,61 --> 02:31:57,24 a friendly amendment if you have that one and you can just know it. All right so 1660 02:31:57,25 --> 02:32:01,65 with that maze John we have the motion to amend to I have a second. Here in 1661 02:32:01,66 --> 02:32:07,10 a second on that motion to our men I think Mr Bond seconds addressed it any further 1662 02:32:07,11 --> 02:32:12,93 discussion on the motion to amend. Now seeing nine all those in favor of the motion 1663 02:32:12,94 --> 02:32:19,26 to amend say I All those opposed. Motion to amend carries 1664 02:32:20,05 --> 02:32:20,22 with 1665 02:32:20,23 --> 02:32:32,20 a majority vote. Yeah but you're like this tight so yeah. Mr 1666 02:32:32,21 --> 02:32:38,63 Cosco Yes. I just want to just finish up my shot here 1667 02:32:39,59 --> 02:32:44,03 with the last show we talked about how the taxes will go into 1668 02:32:44,04 --> 02:32:48,10 a trial but my wife. If we do this there's 1669 02:32:48,11 --> 02:32:52,95 a lot you know marijuana we all know it's been around forever OK I spoke to when I 1670 02:32:52,96 --> 02:32:53,08 was 1671 02:32:53,09 --> 02:32:59,34 a kid I don't smoke anymore because I get paranoid so I don't do it. But you got to 1672 02:32:59,35 --> 02:33:05,36 remember to not only will bring detaches in town but it will stop the people or 1673 02:33:05,37 --> 02:33:11,70 slow down the people who are selling it illegally and not paying taxes. So they're 1674 02:33:11,71 --> 02:33:13,63 going to come over here to here we will have 1675 02:33:13,64 --> 02:33:19,76 a regulated should be regulated priced place to go chill and again it would also be 1676 02:33:20,00 --> 02:33:26,35 known what is in the pot you still got these private guys out there going to grown 1677 02:33:26,36 --> 02:33:30,38 on their own you don't know what they're putting in there and not paying taxes on 1678 02:33:30,39 --> 02:33:32,83 the money that they put in their pockets I think that's I think that's 1679 02:33:32,84 --> 02:33:36,50 a big consideration thank you thank you Mr Van Zandt. 1680 02:33:48,17 --> 02:33:51,53 And. Dennis Randall thirty nine when history. 1681 02:33:55,60 --> 02:34:00,17 This article is is disturbing in that we have 1682 02:34:00,21 --> 02:34:06,22 a. Six point six dash seven dash one is talking about. 1683 02:34:07,63 --> 02:34:10,100 Public consumption forbidden which is that's understandable we have the same 1684 02:34:11,01 --> 02:34:15,29 process with alcohol we don't allow as 1685 02:34:15,30 --> 02:34:22,22 a rule public consumption of alcohol on public property however with alcohol the 1686 02:34:22,23 --> 02:34:25,06 fight is fifty dollars marijuana as 1687 02:34:25,07 --> 02:34:29,42 a SWAT team and three hundred office that's not really sending the Quite right kind 1688 02:34:29,43 --> 02:34:35,93 of message I propose that we amend that to adopt language precisely the same 1689 02:34:36,78 --> 02:34:41,75 as we currently have for the prohibited prohibit of the consumption of alcohol in 1690 02:34:41,76 --> 02:34:48,64 public places and that is the way to. Thank you. 1691 02:34:50,13 --> 02:34:56,99 Allow them. Then it would reduce falls. Over second if that's the motor 1692 02:34:57,00 --> 02:35:02,67 is pleasure Article seven marijuana no person to show consume any marijuana product 1693 02:35:02,68 --> 02:35:04,05 or T.H.C. 1694 02:35:04,06 --> 02:35:08,58 In essence I can read out the word as defined in Mass General watch Shepherd ninety 1695 02:35:08,59 --> 02:35:12,78 four nine forty six bash one as amended while 1696 02:35:12,82 --> 02:35:18,19 a enter upon any public way any way in which the public has right of access to any 1697 02:35:18,20 --> 02:35:22,85 place in which members of the public have access as invitees and licensees or any 1698 02:35:22,86 --> 02:35:28,28 municipal property without consent of the Board of Selectmen or be while in or upon 1699 02:35:28,29 --> 02:35:32,82 private land building structure or place while consent of the owner or person who 1700 02:35:32,83 --> 02:35:36,00 control their of any person violated this by 1701 02:35:36,01 --> 02:35:41,42 a law show upon conviction be fined not more than fifty dollars for each offense 1702 02:35:42,04 --> 02:35:46,12 that ladies and gentlemen I know you got your motion with that hold on and so first 1703 02:35:46,13 --> 02:35:47,01 of all if I may make 1704 02:35:47,02 --> 02:35:51,13 a friendly amendment you have here nine for Chapter nine forty six it should be 1705 02:35:51,14 --> 02:35:56,79 nine forty six G nine ninety four nine I'm sorry ninety four G. 1706 02:35:56,80 --> 02:36:02,85 Section so if I can make that section one. Ninety four and it's they just put one 1707 02:36:02,86 --> 02:36:08,74 in section whatever. And now Mr Armey and I just want to be clear by making this 1708 02:36:08,75 --> 02:36:15,27 motion you are actually moving to delete six seven dash one six dash seven dash two 1709 02:36:15,44 --> 02:36:20,69 sixty seven dust three and six test seven dash four and substituting in your 1710 02:36:20,70 --> 02:36:26,48 language on the arm motion OK All right so lazy gentleman what he's doing is moving 1711 02:36:26,71 --> 02:36:31,03 to basically eliminate this all of the section that's listed there under Article 1712 02:36:31,04 --> 02:36:35,67 seven and to move as he's proposed in the motion so. 1713 02:36:39,75 --> 02:36:45,44 And. I need a second on the. Right hearing 1714 02:36:45,45 --> 02:36:52,23 a second on that. Just. Why even watching. 1715 02:36:54,10 --> 02:36:58,30 It was change exists only once he's going clearly changing that's what was going 1716 02:36:58,31 --> 02:37:03,91 that's changing it you want to get rid of prohibition right Mr Randall Randall you 1717 02:37:03,92 --> 02:37:07,76 want to eliminate the probation piece to speak like. 1718 02:37:11,42 --> 02:37:17,58 That yes you may Mr Rangel mindful the time constraints. We have already voted as 1719 02:37:17,59 --> 02:37:22,94 a commonwealth on the disposition of recreational marijuana The fact is marijuana 1720 02:37:22,95 --> 02:37:23,09 has 1721 02:37:23,10 --> 02:37:30,25 a five thousand year history at least here. Since since we first came to these shores 1722 02:37:30,66 --> 02:37:35,69 marijuana has been regulated for exactly fifty nine years we managed to fight 1723 02:37:35,70 --> 02:37:37,22 a revolution build 1724 02:37:37,23 --> 02:37:42,71 a mighty ships in the world clear clear continent from the tyranny of slavery all 1725 02:37:42,72 --> 02:37:46,07 without having to resort to the prohibition of marijuana because it was it's 1726 02:37:46,08 --> 02:37:47,09 a but it's 1727 02:37:47,10 --> 02:37:52,26 a real purpose it has been here for thousands of years we now have resumed 1728 02:37:52,27 --> 02:37:57,27 commonsense I'm suggesting that yes we need to control public consumption the same 1729 02:37:57,28 --> 02:38:02,78 way the bylaw is speaking to alcohol in public places sets 1730 02:38:02,79 --> 02:38:06,33 a standard of behavior without being draconian about it is said Don't drink 1731 02:38:06,34 --> 02:38:09,56 publicly we also know that a fourth of July with a wink and 1732 02:38:09,57 --> 02:38:12,60 a nod Please look the other way it is 1733 02:38:12,61 --> 02:38:16,80 a standard of behavior we're not criminalizing it we voted to do criminalize 1734 02:38:16,81 --> 02:38:21,94 marijuana if you read the language and you by law before you now it has the police 1735 02:38:21,95 --> 02:38:26,33 involved it has. All sorts of it it's 1736 02:38:26,34 --> 02:38:32,22 a step backwards Please vote common sense vote the same control as we have for of 1737 02:38:32,47 --> 02:38:36,86 alcohol and tobacco Thank you Mr Randall I have that on so that's 1738 02:38:36,87 --> 02:38:39,28 a second on that town council has approved in 1739 02:38:39,29 --> 02:38:41,99 a sense that it's legally can be done. 1740 02:38:46,83 --> 02:38:53,05 And. Yet. All right so this is now debate on the motion to 1741 02:38:53,06 --> 02:38:59,27 a man and whether or not the amendment should go through guiding. Mr Randall's 1742 02:38:59,77 --> 02:39:03,92 motion to eliminate and now actually Mr Me and I need to actually sign it please we 1743 02:39:03,93 --> 02:39:10,09 need to come back up and sign. It To eliminate the 1744 02:39:10,37 --> 02:39:17,28 prohibition aspect of it. Mr hollow. Not forgive me I'm not on 1745 02:39:17,29 --> 02:39:19,79 that one right so anybody is not debating the motion to 1746 02:39:19,80 --> 02:39:23,78 a man step aside so anybody who wants to debate the motion of man I can at least 1747 02:39:23,78 --> 02:39:27,86 see anybody going OK So no no debate on the motion to 1748 02:39:27,87 --> 02:39:31,03 a man so all those in favor of the motion to 1749 02:39:31,03 --> 02:39:38,03 a man say I. All those opposed. Let's count it think it was 1750 02:39:38,05 --> 02:39:39,05 me on 1751 02:39:39,07 --> 02:39:46,62 a twenty seven. Which might. Mean 1752 02:39:47,21 --> 02:39:50,28 you know just to hear just because this is 1753 02:39:50,28 --> 02:39:57,23 a gentleman this is only. Here it is OK so I lost my ticket I lay 1754 02:39:57,24 --> 02:39:57,33 in 1755 02:39:57,34 --> 02:40:02,71 a zombie keep it down because they tell us get accountant it can be distracting all 1756 02:40:02,72 --> 02:40:08,36 those in favor of the motion to amend this tremendous motion to amend break on the 1757 02:40:08,37 --> 02:40:09,14 air please. 1758 02:40:20,65 --> 02:40:21,02 And you. 1759 02:40:40,35 --> 02:40:46,10 Does Mr Bazley forty five Mr Bacile has forty five Mr Peping. 1760 02:40:47,18 --> 02:40:53,73 Mr Pepy thirty two Mr Armstrong thought he four are all those in 1761 02:40:53,74 --> 02:40:56,76 opposition of the motion to amend the great God. 1762 02:41:12,43 --> 02:41:19,43 Yes. This is the first of the 1763 02:41:19,44 --> 02:41:26,07 question. Was and it is OK got it. Mr 1764 02:41:26,08 --> 02:41:32,75 Bassler thirteen Mr Bassler is thirteen Mr Peping. Mr Pepys 1765 02:41:32,76 --> 02:41:39,67 thirteen. Mr Armstrong once I'm sorry twelve twelve Thank 1766 02:41:39,68 --> 02:41:45,42 you. That's thirty eight plays and gentlemen the motion carries with one hundred 1767 02:41:45,43 --> 02:41:48,59 seventeen in favor and thirty eight no opposition. 1768 02:41:56,88 --> 02:42:03,70 OK now that we have this more limited. Prevision 1769 02:42:04,47 --> 02:42:10,49 debate on the new motion as it stands Mr Howland doing all of thirty one hours lane 1770 02:42:10,88 --> 02:42:11,57 believe this would be 1771 02:42:11,58 --> 02:42:16,88 a question more for town council in years past town councils consistently said that 1772 02:42:17,28 --> 02:42:21,77 if the bar was it's not expressly permitted and it's not in the bylaws to expressly 1773 02:42:22,17 --> 02:42:24,98 prohibited so my question is why are we even voting on 1774 02:42:24,99 --> 02:42:30,84 a prohibition if it's not in the bylaws expressly permitted. The statute on the 1775 02:42:30,85 --> 02:42:32,38 statute ninety four G. 1776 02:42:32,39 --> 02:42:34,40 Requires you if you are doing 1777 02:42:34,41 --> 02:42:41,02 a probation it requires you to do it by by law for no towns for towns that voted in 1778 02:42:41,03 --> 02:42:43,96 favor and question for in two thousand and sixteen they would have to do 1779 02:42:43,97 --> 02:42:48,15 a by law to ballot to prohibit and so hence that's the reason for having a 1780 02:42:48,51 --> 02:42:50,55 a by law Thank you thank you. 1781 02:42:55,61 --> 02:42:57,40 Janet Stanford fifty three have 1782 02:42:57,41 --> 02:43:04,33 a green story first I'd like to just clarify something after I spoke at the last 1783 02:43:04,34 --> 02:43:06,53 town meeting last week someone made 1784 02:43:06,54 --> 02:43:11,54 a comment and yes it without getting personal I gathered that person down it was 1785 02:43:11,55 --> 02:43:16,33 completely inappropriate it was appalling and it never should have been stated in 1786 02:43:16,34 --> 02:43:21,59 this public room so I am polyp Gys to you Mr Sanford for that comment being made to 1787 02:43:21,60 --> 02:43:27,13 you and I just want you to know that it will not ever happen again OK just so that 1788 02:43:27,14 --> 02:43:32,17 you do that but so if you can move on from that but can I just publicly say I don't 1789 02:43:32,18 --> 02:43:36,70 smoke I don't use marijuana I think if they could have gone without being said but 1790 02:43:36,71 --> 02:43:43,30 that's fine. Right thank you OK I just wanted the chance to say that 1791 02:43:43,34 --> 02:43:44,45 certainly I think 1792 02:43:44,46 --> 02:43:47,85 a lot of people here have made up their minds already so I'm not really going to 1793 02:43:47,86 --> 02:43:53,35 speak too much on this. Obviously in favor of the ban and. 1794 02:43:54,73 --> 02:43:59,87 One thing I will say that when we met about this months ago whether or not to 1795 02:43:59,88 --> 02:44:02,45 continue the mark Torey him I remember 1796 02:44:02,46 --> 02:44:07,85 a lot of people are concerned about the medical aspect medical marijuana and again 1797 02:44:07,86 --> 02:44:12,14 for one I want to say I'm not against that I and but there is 1798 02:44:12,15 --> 02:44:17,61 a facility in Plymouth now rate in the industrial park and it's there people want 1799 02:44:17,62 --> 02:44:23,50 to use it they don't have to travel hours and hours away and I don't feel that we 1800 02:44:23,51 --> 02:44:23,71 need 1801 02:44:23,72 --> 02:44:29,30 a store here in Kingston I really don't want my kids to be riding on the school bus 1802 02:44:29,36 --> 02:44:34,00 passing a store that has. The edibles that 1803 02:44:34,01 --> 02:44:39,61 a RAP LIKE has and gummy beers and all that I just don't think we need it here. 1804 02:44:41,69 --> 02:44:46,03 That's all I really have to say tonight thank you. Mr David just so that you 1805 02:44:46,04 --> 02:44:51,41 understand the motion as amended does not prohibit. The prohibition has been 1806 02:44:51,42 --> 02:44:57,01 a limited eliminated by that motion to amend. I don't understand that. 1807 02:44:58,55 --> 02:45:01,97 I'll have Town Council explain I had said that very specifically that this motion 1808 02:45:01,98 --> 02:45:02,70 to a man and 1809 02:45:03,01 --> 02:45:09,39 a limb UNAIDS the prohibition so the current motion on the table does not have 1810 02:45:09,40 --> 02:45:16,04 a prohibition so Council can explain if you need so when Mr Mr Randall was it 1811 02:45:16,05 --> 02:45:22,05 Yandell move to amend he. Asked that 1812 02:45:22,16 --> 02:45:28,60 sections six seven one through six seven four be deleted and 1813 02:45:28,61 --> 02:45:34,03 replaced with his provision which he read to you which were related to public 1814 02:45:34,04 --> 02:45:35,30 consumption and 1815 02:45:35,31 --> 02:45:40,25 a fifty dollar fine and it mirrors your existing by law for alcohol consumption in 1816 02:45:40,26 --> 02:45:47,24 public places and so by eliminating sections subsections two and three 1817 02:45:47,51 --> 02:45:52,95 the prohibition or Section two actually the prohibition is now off the table 1818 02:45:52,99 --> 02:45:59,24 because the motion has amend it been amended so now what you would be voting on if 1819 02:45:59,25 --> 02:46:02,71 you were to vote this question would be to create 1820 02:46:02,72 --> 02:46:09,63 a by law which simply prohibits public consumption but by virtue of that 1821 02:46:09,64 --> 02:46:12,93 because the statute requires for a prohibition you to pass 1822 02:46:12,94 --> 02:46:18,59 a by law you allow marijuana establishments which are your retailers your 1823 02:46:18,60 --> 02:46:24,86 cultivators your manufacturers and your testing facilities. So I wanted everybody 1824 02:46:24,87 --> 02:46:29,32 to run this transfer on one second I have so I wanted everybody to be clear because 1825 02:46:29,33 --> 02:46:33,68 what you said Mysie and that I realize that you weren't clear on that that the new 1826 02:46:33,69 --> 02:46:40,42 a motion on the table is that prohibition for public consumption 1827 02:46:41,01 --> 02:46:44,38 but that the prohibition against and that's if everybody turns to the book and 1828 02:46:44,39 --> 02:46:50,59 looks at six that's the one that's two. That the recreational marijuana or stylish 1829 02:46:50,60 --> 02:46:55,72 ones prohibited is now removed and not in the article is John Strong under the 1830 02:46:55,73 --> 02:47:00,20 general performance we haven't gotten to zoning by law yet correct or so just for 1831 02:47:00,21 --> 02:47:02,51 the normal just for the general by own language 1832 02:47:02,52 --> 02:47:07,32 a separate line we're doing room and board. But we've got a yes there's 1833 02:47:07,33 --> 02:47:10,81 a separate in the zoning by law that's great if Council explain the difference 1834 02:47:10,82 --> 02:47:14,67 between because we haven't voted the zoning by law yet we broke these out as two 1835 02:47:14,68 --> 02:47:21,28 separate bylaws so there are there's zoning but zoning bylaws require two thirds 1836 02:47:21,29 --> 02:47:27,29 majority to pass and general bylaws only quire require majority so that's why we 1837 02:47:27,30 --> 02:47:34,10 chose to split the question so theoretically you could pass Mr 1838 02:47:34,11 --> 02:47:41,01 Randall's article and then still passes zoning by law which would prohibit 1839 02:47:41,05 --> 02:47:46,55 the uses within the town. So so that's a possibility but you would have 1840 02:47:46,56 --> 02:47:53,29 a higher quantum of vote the reason why we put forward to by law as 1841 02:47:53,35 --> 02:47:55,73 a general and as zoning is the A.G. 1842 02:47:55,74 --> 02:48:00,67 Recommends that is zoning by law accompany the general by law to ensure it's 1843 02:48:00,68 --> 02:48:06,47 affective because what there is is there is case law there that says you can't call 1844 02:48:06,48 --> 02:48:10,42 it zoning by law general by law just because the quantum of vote is easier to 1845 02:48:10,43 --> 02:48:15,48 achieve and those kinds of bylaws are stricken down so what they said if you want 1846 02:48:15,49 --> 02:48:20,63 to absolutely prohibit you should pass both but the zoning obviously would would 1847 02:48:20,64 --> 02:48:26,19 serve that purpose because you have the higher quantum of votes. Thank you. 1848 02:48:31,20 --> 02:48:37,65 Yes Mr. I would encourage folks not to support this it's unfortunate because the 1849 02:48:37,66 --> 02:48:41,41 motion that I was going to make was going to be to amend to separate out the four 1850 02:48:41,42 --> 02:48:45,67 separate articles for the very reason that I for one take no issue with the 1851 02:48:45,68 --> 02:48:50,02 establishment going in but I do take issue with the public consumption I understand 1852 02:48:50,03 --> 02:48:56,56 that this motion before us now prohibits public consumption to the tune of alcohol 1853 02:48:56,57 --> 02:49:00,46 which the motion or and self recognize is not exactly 1854 02:49:00,47 --> 02:49:05,38 a prohibition so to speak on certain holidays for example as you alluded to we get 1855 02:49:05,75 --> 02:49:07,20 you know a week and a nod and 1856 02:49:07,54 --> 02:49:11,76 a look in the other direction from authorities so I think for me the big 1857 02:49:11,77 --> 02:49:15,90 distinction is again I have no issue with establishment going in but I take issue 1858 02:49:15,91 --> 02:49:19,39 with public consumption and I think there's one thing that's very important that we 1859 02:49:19,40 --> 02:49:19,97 should point out as 1860 02:49:19,98 --> 02:49:24,82 a distinction between alcohol and marijuana is that if someone sitting next to me 1861 02:49:24,83 --> 02:49:24,89 or 1862 02:49:24,90 --> 02:49:29,10 a few seats over drinking alcohol you know they might bother you or something but it's 1863 02:49:29,11 --> 02:49:32,75 not actually affecting you want to biological level but if someone smoking 1864 02:49:32,76 --> 02:49:37,25 marijuana now you're breathing that in so I take serious issue with the public 1865 02:49:37,26 --> 02:49:41,76 consumption and as was mentioned Fourth of July I don't want to be out with my kids 1866 02:49:41,77 --> 02:49:44,50 on Fourth of July down at the beach and have someone you know 1867 02:49:44,54 --> 02:49:49,74 a few chairs down or whatever smoking marijuana having it blown in my direction and 1868 02:49:49,75 --> 02:49:50,52 I get I understand it's 1869 02:49:50,53 --> 02:49:55,04 a fine line in terms of where you know one person's rights begin another person's 1870 02:49:55,05 --> 02:49:59,61 rights and I understand that and again that's why I think that you know with 1871 02:49:59,62 --> 02:50:03,05 alcohol no big deal you know someone's drinking it's with them but when someone 1872 02:50:03,06 --> 02:50:07,53 smoking it it's affecting people around them so now this is kind of become an all 1873 02:50:07,54 --> 02:50:11,74 or nothing situation where you either African of be all in or all out or as I 1874 02:50:11,75 --> 02:50:16,48 wanted to separate Amal all of individually so you could vote differently on those 1875 02:50:16,49 --> 02:50:19,68 issues because I think it's important for us to understand there's 1876 02:50:19,69 --> 02:50:23,30 a big difference between establishment going on in town and then P. 1877 02:50:23,30 --> 02:50:28,11 . Well being able to essentially smoke in public so Mr Fine as you say you know the 1878 02:50:28,12 --> 02:50:33,41 amendment stands for no public consumption it's saying that cannot happen what you 1879 02:50:33,42 --> 02:50:37,33 said on Fourth of July at the beach I understand that I'm getting that I understand 1880 02:50:37,34 --> 02:50:40,26 it on the paper it cannot happen but I also understand that for fifty bucks on the 1881 02:50:40,27 --> 02:50:43,62 Fourth of July most people take the chance and so you know there's paper and then 1882 02:50:43,63 --> 02:50:49,96 there's reality so. That's how I feel about it thank you thank you Mr font I 1883 02:50:50,52 --> 02:50:52,09 feel I'm in a loving Norman's way I have 1884 02:50:52,10 --> 02:50:58,02 a question for town council about even still the amended wording for six seven one 1885 02:50:58,97 --> 02:51:00,39 I'm worried that there is 1886 02:51:00,43 --> 02:51:07,12 a conflict in two separate bits of law and the wording of it specifically we have 1887 02:51:07,13 --> 02:51:12,15 the recreational law which was passed by vote in the state and then presumably we 1888 02:51:12,16 --> 02:51:18,28 had some prior legislation around medical uses of marijuana in marijuana derived 1889 02:51:18,29 --> 02:51:24,85 products. The term is no person shall smoke yeah OK done no we don't want people 1890 02:51:24,86 --> 02:51:30,77 smoking pot in public but ingest and we're talking about tetrahydrocannabinol Zz 1891 02:51:30,95 --> 02:51:33,88 which are it's a very specific term for 1892 02:51:33,89 --> 02:51:39,14 a family of chemical chemicals including drugs that commune medically prescribe and 1893 02:51:39,15 --> 02:51:42,36 I'm afraid that the wording of this means that somebody with 1894 02:51:42,37 --> 02:51:44,15 a legitimate medical mission with 1895 02:51:44,16 --> 02:51:49,02 a legitimate prescription from their doctor can not for example you know if they're 1896 02:51:49,03 --> 02:51:53,68 walking in in the Kingston collection and they're having back pain the way this law 1897 02:51:53,69 --> 02:51:57,80 is worded they can't reach and pop open their prescription pill bottle and take 1898 02:51:57,81 --> 02:52:01,99 a pill to deal with it but if they were taking oxy codomain or some other 1899 02:52:02,03 --> 02:52:05,92 prescribed and you know others could schedule medication they would be able to do 1900 02:52:05,93 --> 02:52:07,79 that in public so I worry that we're setting up 1901 02:52:07,80 --> 02:52:12,52 a double standard here in terms of the way the law works could you comment on that 1902 02:52:12,53 --> 02:52:13,68 please so if you have 1903 02:52:13,69 --> 02:52:18,39 a medical prescription you would show that to the police officer who approached you 1904 02:52:18,39 --> 02:52:22,81 . But then I could still get a fifty dollars fine of somebody having 1905 02:52:22,82 --> 02:52:29,39 a bad day. I don't think it would be held in court if you were to challenge with 1906 02:52:29,40 --> 02:52:33,54 other respect there's what you think but then there's what's written on the books 1907 02:52:33,58 --> 02:52:35,30 no no what she's saying is on the books 1908 02:52:35,31 --> 02:52:40,28 a medical certificate allows you to use it if you get the ticket from the police 1909 02:52:40,29 --> 02:52:43,89 officer it would be appealable to the district court and it would be overturned. 1910 02:52:45,10 --> 02:52:47,13 That's that's an awful lot of present off 1911 02:52:47,14 --> 02:52:51,83 a burden that you're posing and someone to have to go through all of that then so 1912 02:52:51,84 --> 02:52:56,69 anyway that's the second piece settle at is I get that there is 1913 02:52:56,70 --> 02:53:01,77 a lot of people in town who are fearful of these kinds of establishment. I've been 1914 02:53:01,89 --> 02:53:05,14 raised by about a couple of hippies and my wife was raised by 1915 02:53:05,15 --> 02:53:10,18 a couple of accounts we come from very different world views on the use of you know 1916 02:53:10,23 --> 02:53:15,84 sub controlled substances what I will say is I'll share personal be very brief I 1917 02:53:15,85 --> 02:53:18,15 went to visit my brother who lives in Colorado Springs 1918 02:53:18,23 --> 02:53:21,93 a few months ago we drove twenty minutes out of town to one of the legal 1919 02:53:21,94 --> 02:53:24,07 recreational dispensary is there it was in 1920 02:53:24,08 --> 02:53:29,07 a nondescript office park my brother's brand new Highlander was the cheapest car in 1921 02:53:29,08 --> 02:53:32,84 the parking lot by far you walked into the establishment there was 1922 02:53:32,85 --> 02:53:34,52 a bulletproof door you 1923 02:53:34,56 --> 02:53:38,69 a locked door you could not get in until everybody you were with presented ID legal 1924 02:53:38,70 --> 02:53:43,33 state ID showing that you were of age you them walked in and before anybody at the 1925 02:53:43,34 --> 02:53:47,34 counter would talk to you again you had to show them Idea second time that is 1926 02:53:47,35 --> 02:53:52,32 a way higher standard that we could very easily enforce then even our state liquor 1927 02:53:52,33 --> 02:53:56,79 stores you know for the evening pose for tobacco sales it was clean it was well it 1928 02:53:56,80 --> 02:54:00,42 was safe there were no cops outside there were no people sprawled out on the 1929 02:54:00,43 --> 02:54:03,87 sidewalk or anything dramatic it was completely nondescript in 1930 02:54:03,88 --> 02:54:10,22 a totally normal transaction so I would say the fear is that people have maybe 1931 02:54:10,51 --> 02:54:16,03 grounded in something that isn't real so I think you. Mean. 1932 02:54:17,32 --> 02:54:21,01 So you went you were after she was in line sorry maybe I'm just 1933 02:54:21,02 --> 02:54:25,33 a good fill in for John Kerry I know but I went to her writing calling you go ahead 1934 02:54:26,07 --> 02:54:26,76 and I'm going to do 1935 02:54:26,77 --> 02:54:30,88 a follow up to it he just said by the medical marijuana and I know you said that 1936 02:54:30,89 --> 02:54:37,45 they can they had the script to be able to use the stuff but it's toxin here by any 1937 02:54:37,46 --> 02:54:43,84 facility that is set up there there's no one room anywhere for medical marijuana in 1938 02:54:43,85 --> 02:54:50,66 the future. They're in how do they talk about recreational and then it says any 1939 02:54:50,67 --> 02:54:56,51 related. Marijuana related business in the town of Kingston I know but you're again 1940 02:54:56,52 --> 02:55:01,76 are you citing six down seven dash two I'm citing the one hundred sixty seven no 1941 02:55:01,77 --> 02:55:03,61 dash for and the what's underneath that doesn't 1942 02:55:03,62 --> 02:55:07,75 a number in front of medical marijuana zoning by law since we were not there that's 1943 02:55:07,76 --> 02:55:13,55 the next about Believe it or not that's the next I. Got what you compile that now 1944 02:55:13,56 --> 02:55:20,20 is your name again my name is Irene two twenty one whopping road Thank you. So 1945 02:55:20,21 --> 02:55:24,86 much when you. Hear the Marriott John is 1946 02:55:24,87 --> 02:55:30,81 a Mariel thank you fill in for John Krieger like to move the question thank you I 1947 02:55:30,82 --> 02:55:30,96 have 1948 02:55:30,97 --> 02:55:36,53 a second on that on these and gentlemen although that want to move the motion one 1949 02:55:36,54 --> 02:55:37,19 or move the question 1950 02:55:37,20 --> 02:55:44,05 a motion one say I. All those opposed motion carries with 1951 02:55:44,06 --> 02:55:50,97 majority vote. Lazing gentlemen on the amended motion one again 1952 02:55:50,98 --> 02:55:57,47 this is motion one that has stricken six counts seven dash one sixty seven dash two 1953 02:55:57,69 --> 02:56:01,73 sixty seven dash three sixty seven dash four and it's 1954 02:56:02,14 --> 02:56:07,28 a prohibition against public consumption OK That's what's on the table. 1955 02:56:11,08 --> 02:56:17,10 Yes we have not heard from the selectmen on this. All right I asked him if you 1956 02:56:17,11 --> 02:56:23,10 voted. For to cite minutes favorable for zero one. 1957 02:56:24,32 --> 02:56:29,82 Got it. It's not a. Yeah it's not 1958 02:56:29,83 --> 02:56:31,57 a finance committee didn't take 1959 02:56:31,58 --> 02:56:38,53 a vote to begin with. It's. The downplays and gentlemen 1960 02:56:38,83 --> 02:56:45,18 on the amended motion one I know how to cook twenty four all those in favor say aye 1961 02:56:45,18 --> 02:56:52,17 . I'm it the motions underway folks so unless you're saying the motion is illegal. 1962 02:56:54,73 --> 02:57:01,58 Thank you. Got it so I. Move 1963 02:57:01,59 --> 02:57:01,99 that I got 1964 02:57:02,00 --> 02:57:08,42 a call seven marijuana or be as follows No person shall consume any marijuana 1965 02:57:08,43 --> 02:57:13,40 product or touch or hydro cannot cannibal or whatever takes thing as defined in 1966 02:57:13,41 --> 02:57:16,26 Maryland and G.H. Chapter ninety four G. 1967 02:57:16,27 --> 02:57:22,90 Section one as amended while colon A in or upon any 1968 02:57:22,91 --> 02:57:25,79 public way or any way to which the public has 1969 02:57:25,80 --> 02:57:31,02 a right of access or any place to which members of the public have access as 1970 02:57:31,03 --> 02:57:35,81 invitees or licensees or any municipal property without the consent of the Board of 1971 02:57:35,82 --> 02:57:37,43 Selectmen or B. 1972 02:57:37,67 --> 02:57:42,29 While in or upon privately and building structures of places without the consent of 1973 02:57:42,30 --> 02:57:48,06 the owner or person in control there on any person violating this by law shall upon 1974 02:57:48,07 --> 02:57:53,88 conviction be fine no more than not more than fifty dollars for each offense OK. 1975 02:57:55,45 --> 02:57:58,78 Certainly. All right so all those. 1976 02:58:06,49 --> 02:58:13,44 There's no general by law. No no there's no general by law you 1977 02:58:13,45 --> 02:58:19,04 have no means to prohibit you would have to pass have by law whether it be 1978 02:58:19,05 --> 02:58:21,35 a general bylaw or zoning by law but 1979 02:58:21,36 --> 02:58:25,06 a by law would have to be in place to prohibit it in the town of Kingston. 1980 02:58:28,25 --> 02:58:34,86 We'd have to see what happens on the zone and by law. But 1981 02:58:34,87 --> 02:58:40,98 currently if the zoning bylaw were to fail there marijuana menace would be allowed 1982 02:58:40,99 --> 02:58:47,61 in the town of Kingston. All those 1983 02:58:48,22 --> 02:58:54,35 gentlemen calling for the motion one under Article twenty four all those in favor 1984 02:58:54,36 --> 02:58:59,74 say aye aye aye All those opposed. Motion carries. 1985 02:59:01,45 --> 02:59:05,99 With majority vote. Now going on Miss MacFarlane I know it's been 1986 02:59:06,00 --> 02:59:07,48 a while but your emotion number. 1987 02:59:17,92 --> 02:59:24,72 So not so right now they voted to prohibit public consumption but currently if 1988 02:59:24,73 --> 02:59:29,51 nothing further were to take place marijuana establishments would be allowed in the 1989 02:59:29,52 --> 02:59:32,60 town of Kingston. If 1990 02:59:32,93 --> 02:59:37,25 a post prohibition is the town wants to put forward 1991 02:59:37,26 --> 02:59:42,62 a prohibition the only way to do that now is through this passage of this zoning by 1992 02:59:42,63 --> 02:59:49,39 law. Now you're moving motion number to the second part. 1993 02:59:52,04 --> 02:59:57,27 As it's written move and further to amend the zoning bylaws as printed in the 1994 02:59:57,28 --> 03:00:02,28 warrant actually if I can you would be moved at the time and then the zoning by 1995 03:00:02,29 --> 03:00:06,26 laws is printed in the wind except the amendment Yes thank you do I have 1996 03:00:06,27 --> 03:00:09,72 a second on that motion number two. I'm having 1997 03:00:09,73 --> 03:00:16,01 a second. Filing if you want to address that and not really could I don't know. 1998 03:00:17,44 --> 03:00:22,82 Certainly that's why I know you're so right into the microphone So essentially if 1999 03:00:22,83 --> 03:00:28,29 you read if you read the Warren article in your in your booklet. 2000 03:00:29,60 --> 03:00:36,39 Amends the zoning by law four point two point four point four which is 2001 03:00:36,81 --> 03:00:40,18 and it lists marijuana establishments and just so you know because you don't have 2002 03:00:40,19 --> 03:00:43,13 the benefit of the violent front of you what that is is 2003 03:00:43,14 --> 03:00:49,43 a list of prohibited uses in the town of Kingston So if you were to vote 2004 03:00:49,59 --> 03:00:56,05 yes on this motion if two thirds of you were to vote yes on this motion it would 2005 03:00:56,06 --> 03:01:01,70 prohibit marijuana as stablish Ment's in the town of Kingston if you were to vote 2006 03:01:01,71 --> 03:01:08,24 no marijuana stablish are allowed. OK. OK So 2007 03:01:08,25 --> 03:01:13,00 everybody's got it we've kind of debated it everybody I think understands it so we 2008 03:01:13,01 --> 03:01:16,95 can limit debate Mr hollow but let's try to limit the day because I think it's just 2009 03:01:17,10 --> 03:01:20,55 I think we all know that it's been kind of date debated It's the language as it's 2010 03:01:20,56 --> 03:01:23,54 written in the charging of Harlowe thirty one how is laying out it's the language 2011 03:01:23,55 --> 03:01:29,72 as it's written in in the exactly the one that says marijuana prohibited down 2012 03:01:30,03 --> 03:01:34,55 zoning by law right but if you look on page twenty two it says six there are seven 2013 03:01:34,56 --> 03:01:41,49 dash one I don't have twenty one to do because I know what the twenty two is. So. 2014 03:01:44,78 --> 03:01:51,65 I haven't seen the book to be honest with you this time. Running to 2015 03:01:51,94 --> 03:01:58,16 write every four point two point four point four marijuana establishments as 2016 03:01:58,17 --> 03:02:01,48 defined in G.L. Chapter ninety four G. 2017 03:02:01,49 --> 03:02:07,88 Section one as may be amended from time to time. Let me let me see can I just see 2018 03:02:07,89 --> 03:02:14,87 the From. Right so if you look at four point two point four point 2019 03:02:14,88 --> 03:02:21,87 four that's encompassed in the list of prohibited uses in the town of Kingston So 2020 03:02:21,88 --> 03:02:26,89 I want to see action that starts with marijuana prohibited dash zoning by law all 2021 03:02:26,90 --> 03:02:31,33 the way down to the line right before where it says Board of Selectmen no vote. 2022 03:02:34,38 --> 03:02:40,59 But that's what was just moved. OK. 2023 03:02:42,79 --> 03:02:48,05 Well what we're moving is to amend the zoning bylaws printed in the warrant which 2024 03:02:48,06 --> 03:02:54,60 is right here which is just marijuana prohibit zoning by law and it starts to see 2025 03:02:54,64 --> 03:03:01,56 you know OK yeah OK i just one clarification Thank you. Which 2026 03:03:01,57 --> 03:03:08,17 they should it's to see if. It's written that was. You know and. 2027 03:03:09,95 --> 03:03:16,92 Well the. Yeah yeah OK. Do you have to like there's only about one has to be 2028 03:03:16,93 --> 03:03:23,91 amended if we want to pass it yeah right OK yeah OK. You 2029 03:03:23,92 --> 03:03:30,14 want to go now or. OK So Miss Muffet and then we'll go over here. OK I just want to 2030 03:03:30,15 --> 03:03:35,11 clarify the establishment Should we are going to have to amend it to pass it 2031 03:03:35,34 --> 03:03:40,23 already but can you. Know yes this motion is 2032 03:03:40,24 --> 03:03:44,54 a motion to amend the zoning by law so yes in order for this to pass were amending 2033 03:03:44,55 --> 03:03:49,63 the zoning by law to add this in OK Yes so we don't have to amend the motion no 2034 03:03:49,64 --> 03:03:54,40 we're not amending the motion just talking about amending the design was OK so. 2035 03:03:57,24 --> 03:04:03,07 I as far as the establishment's what we're talking about here is being able to go 2036 03:04:03,08 --> 03:04:09,16 into a retail establishment purchase and leave. Right is there a is there 2037 03:04:09,17 --> 03:04:10,62 a more broad definition of 2038 03:04:10,63 --> 03:04:17,41 a myth like use on site like say no no no OK it was so we define 2039 03:04:17,53 --> 03:04:21,79 social consumption establishment which is you're on premise so you're 2040 03:04:21,80 --> 03:04:26,65 a bar for marijuana are not part of this that's 2041 03:04:26,66 --> 03:04:31,08 a whole separate measure that would have to be approved so in the way you do that 2042 03:04:31,09 --> 03:04:32,35 is actually through 2043 03:04:32,36 --> 03:04:38,90 a ballot measure at the state election OK so it couldn't even be moved now more 2044 03:04:38,91 --> 03:04:40,79 importantly C.C.C. 2045 03:04:40,80 --> 03:04:46,68 Has deferred and not made any regulations related to social consumption 2046 03:04:46,69 --> 03:04:53,19 establishment so your bar rooms this marijuana establishments include marijuana 2047 03:04:53,20 --> 03:04:59,74 retailers so your package stores your manufacturers so the folks who 2048 03:04:59,75 --> 03:05:06,36 take the marijuana product and convert it into your edibles or your. You know 2049 03:05:06,37 --> 03:05:11,20 whatever and your testers who test the T.H.C. 2050 03:05:11,21 --> 03:05:16,01 Levels and you're cultivators which are the folks that grow it. 2051 03:05:19,33 --> 03:05:26,06 OK. Beach Road first I want to comment on 2052 03:05:26,07 --> 03:05:31,22 something that Mr Stillman said earlier he described an experience in Colorado 2053 03:05:31,35 --> 03:05:36,53 which the trade marijuana astonishment is being very kind of just 2054 03:05:36,57 --> 03:05:40,74 a regular strip mall and I get all that but right now nothing in this addresses 2055 03:05:40,75 --> 03:05:44,66 signage issues where these will be placed It's just saying that we can have these 2056 03:05:44,67 --> 03:05:48,83 establishments so I said I want anyone everyone to think that if you guys want to 2057 03:05:48,84 --> 03:05:52,73 succeed we should really be thoughtful and not hasty about this and make sure we 2058 03:05:52,74 --> 03:05:57,64 address things like signage and location and proximity to other establishments 2059 03:05:57,65 --> 03:05:58,84 because if you put it in 2060 03:05:58,85 --> 03:06:02,26 a strip mall who's going to want to maybe move in beside it in the strip mall who's 2061 03:06:02,27 --> 03:06:07,32 going to want to deal with other issues that might go along with it unless we think 2062 03:06:07,33 --> 03:06:13,84 through it and now I have one question for town council in the back over here. If 2063 03:06:13,85 --> 03:06:20,80 we do go if this. Moratorium does pass it's hot it's not what I'm sorry but 2064 03:06:20,84 --> 03:06:25,18 OK so if we don't everyone votes yes and there is not established meant that can be 2065 03:06:25,48 --> 03:06:29,37 brought into this kind of this point in time how long would it be until someone 2066 03:06:29,62 --> 03:06:33,90 could bring forward another motion because this is also new to our state so why not 2067 03:06:33,91 --> 03:06:37,92 let other communities try this out other community see what works or doesn't work 2068 03:06:38,10 --> 03:06:40,16 and then if it becomes as commonplace as say 2069 03:06:40,17 --> 03:06:43,81 a liquor store and all the kids have been worked out in our state could someone 2070 03:06:43,82 --> 03:06:47,27 bring it forward again in two years and then talk about it then once we have some 2071 03:06:47,28 --> 03:06:52,13 kind of tried and true ways so first let me go to your first part of your 2072 03:06:53,01 --> 03:06:59,38 discussion on on whether or not number one we could do it fought fully tonight to 2073 03:06:59,43 --> 03:07:03,97 put other parameters around the siting of marijuana establishments we couldn't 2074 03:07:03,98 --> 03:07:04,63 because there isn't 2075 03:07:04,64 --> 03:07:08,64 a public hearing it would be I'm sorry to step on your toes but outside of the 2076 03:07:08,65 --> 03:07:15,22 scope and not permissible OK so just don't try to do that tonight I'm not I'm more 2077 03:07:15,35 --> 03:07:20,08 OK we should think through this and along OK and to the second point of your 2078 03:07:20,09 --> 03:07:25,48 question so there are some gaps in the statute and one of those questions that 2079 03:07:25,49 --> 03:07:29,80 remains outstanding is when what happens if 2080 03:07:29,81 --> 03:07:35,26 a town were to vote to prohibit for example and how long is that effective and when 2081 03:07:35,27 --> 03:07:36,25 can you bring back 2082 03:07:36,29 --> 03:07:42,25 a new amendment and that remains unanswered so we can look to other areas 2083 03:07:42,26 --> 03:07:49,09 a lot to try to to get. Make an educated guess of how it would play out and so 2084 03:07:49,10 --> 03:07:54,72 for example with some local option statutes which are those those statutes that are 2085 03:07:54,91 --> 03:07:58,97 set out in the general laws they're not your bylaws but the town accept them there 2086 03:07:58,98 --> 03:08:03,90 are certain there are certain sunset periods so that you may have to wait three 2087 03:08:03,91 --> 03:08:10,70 years but we've thought about that too in our office and we think that 2088 03:08:10,89 --> 03:08:14,56 the sure shot to to reverse what you've done in 2089 03:08:14,57 --> 03:08:18,69 a town meeting is to respectful act that would have to go through the legislature 2090 03:08:18,70 --> 03:08:22,84 and then you're guaranteed really because it has the full force of state law as 2091 03:08:22,85 --> 03:08:25,66 opposed to just a local bylaw so there there should be 2092 03:08:25,67 --> 03:08:30,32 a mechanism but unfortunately it's not spelled out in the statute and since this is 2093 03:08:30,33 --> 03:08:35,23 a brand new statute we don't have any case law to look at. But there is 2094 03:08:35,24 --> 03:08:41,09 a mechanism that the other possibility I think that we would put forward is. The 2095 03:08:41,10 --> 03:08:47,87 same way you go in is the same the same way you go out so. Because Kingston is 2096 03:08:47,88 --> 03:08:54,72 a no town you're allowed to do measures through ballot as opposed to I mean by law 2097 03:08:54,73 --> 03:08:59,29 excuse me as opposed to by law and ballot so we would try to do 2098 03:08:59,30 --> 03:09:05,14 a another by law put that forward Thank you so again I want to ask is not 2099 03:09:05,15 --> 03:09:08,44 a permanent thing and that I want everyone to just be thoughtful and at least let 2100 03:09:08,45 --> 03:09:14,99 some other towns experience this before we jump in THANK YOU THANK YOU. I just want 2101 03:09:15,00 --> 03:09:20,72 to clarify one of the issues I think there was some confusion over the four dash to 2102 03:09:20,73 --> 03:09:25,58 dash for dash for when it's saying that marijuana establishment as defined it's the 2103 03:09:25,97 --> 03:09:31,29 how we're citing the statute how marijuana establishment in the fine so it's not 2104 03:09:31,30 --> 03:09:36,07 different in our statute or out by law than it is as defined by the Massachusetts 2105 03:09:36,34 --> 03:09:41,25 state legislature OK so I just want to stay in that So if you're trying to find 2106 03:09:41,54 --> 03:09:41,93 what is 2107 03:09:41,94 --> 03:09:48,86 a marijuana establish it's actually in the statute. There 2108 03:09:48,87 --> 03:09:55,66 we have it in. OK if everybody's not is everybody seen the section so it's saying 2109 03:09:55,67 --> 03:10:00,09 that it marijuana establishment is defined by ninety four G. 2110 03:10:00,10 --> 03:10:05,75 Section one including marijuana cultivators marijuana testing facilities marijuana 2111 03:10:05,76 --> 03:10:11,14 product manufacturers marijuana retailers or any other type of licensed marijuana 2112 03:10:11,15 --> 03:10:13,42 related business so this would place 2113 03:10:13,43 --> 03:10:19,28 a prohibition against all of those establishment so by voting on this tonight you 2114 03:10:19,29 --> 03:10:19,93 would be voting 2115 03:10:19,94 --> 03:10:24,74 a prohibition against marijuana establishment right to be only by law to be clear 2116 03:10:24,84 --> 03:10:26,11 so ninety four G. 2117 03:10:26,12 --> 03:10:26,38 Has 2118 03:10:26,39 --> 03:10:31,26 a list of definitions and one of those definitions is marijuana establishment so that's 2119 03:10:31,27 --> 03:10:36,07 a term of art it's not just we're saying facilities or places it's 2120 03:10:36,08 --> 03:10:41,89 a term of art and includes all those four pieces Thank you yes. 2121 03:10:43,22 --> 03:10:48,75 Fifty five so straight up with a question and move the question. I have 2122 03:10:48,76 --> 03:10:52,38 a second on the move the question all those in favor of moving the question say I. 2123 03:10:53,39 --> 03:10:57,14 All those oppose motion carries with 2124 03:10:57,56 --> 03:11:04,51 a minimal opposition. Hasan gentleman now this is going to be 2125 03:11:05,30 --> 03:11:10,18 motion to under Article twenty four which is the zoning by law so 2126 03:11:10,19 --> 03:11:11,37 a YES vote will vote 2127 03:11:11,38 --> 03:11:15,45 a prohibition against marijuana establishments and this is going to require 2128 03:11:15,46 --> 03:11:21,87 a two thirds vote. So all those in favor say aye. All those 2129 03:11:21,88 --> 03:11:28,21 opposed. OK. We're going to count it. 2130 03:11:38,15 --> 03:11:44,84 Means. Yes concert just wants me to reaffirm with you all 2131 03:11:44,85 --> 03:11:51,14 again ladies and gentlemen chess that the. Yass vote 2132 03:11:51,67 --> 03:11:57,27 is for prohibition I know vote is against prohibition meaning that they can come to 2133 03:11:57,28 --> 03:12:04,07 time so to speak OK yes votes on for motion to under Article twenty four break 2134 03:12:04,08 --> 03:12:04,64 on the air. 2135 03:12:34,37 --> 03:12:41,14 Mr Bazley thirty Mr Bazley thirty eight Mr Peping Mr Bacile I mean Mr Pepys 2136 03:12:41,15 --> 03:12:47,39 thirty five Mr Armstrong Mr Armstrong is seventeen. Of those in 2137 03:12:47,40 --> 03:12:52,92 opposition to motion to wonder if you don't want to listen article twenty four 2138 03:12:53,40 --> 03:12:54,12 break on the. 2139 03:13:28,68 --> 03:13:35,61 Mr Bassler thirty five Mr Basil is thirty five Mr Papo. Mr Pepe is 2140 03:13:35,62 --> 03:13:39,71 fourteen Mr Armstrong Mr Armstrong is thirty. 2141 03:13:47,70 --> 03:13:51,67 Plays in John I'm in the motion does not carry with the majority with less than 2142 03:13:51,67 --> 03:13:57,08 a two thirds vote with one hundred sixty nine voters voting ninety in opposition 2143 03:13:57,08 --> 03:14:01,35 seventy I mean ninety in favor seventy nine in opposition it would have required 2144 03:14:01,37 --> 03:14:06,36 one hundred twelve votes under thirteen actually. Motion to reconsider the motion 2145 03:14:06,38 --> 03:14:07,07 to reconsider. 2146 03:14:19,25 --> 03:14:24,26 All right I have a motion to reconsider. So I have a second I have 2147 03:14:24,27 --> 03:14:26,79 a second on that lays in Jan I mean if you want 2148 03:14:26,80 --> 03:14:31,21 a motion to reconsider it means you want to open up debate and we debated again 2149 03:14:31,63 --> 03:14:34,39 that would be a yes vote and no vote would be the end of 2150 03:14:34,40 --> 03:14:39,96 a permanently. Majority. 2151 03:14:42,96 --> 03:14:49,52 To majority vote. So all those in favor of reconsideration say aye. All those 2152 03:14:49,53 --> 03:14:53,85 opposed. Motion does not carry. 2153 03:15:04,13 --> 03:15:04,87 A gun and. 2154 03:15:13,37 --> 03:15:19,78 Just for the zoning. Yes Mr Randall has 2155 03:15:19,79 --> 03:15:26,35 a motion. And it was Mr. I think. 2156 03:15:28,01 --> 03:15:30,26 That's his son. Means. 2157 03:15:37,05 --> 03:15:38,97 Might So we have a motion to reconsider on 2158 03:15:38,98 --> 03:15:45,33 a motion when on to Article twenty four all those second. Having 2159 03:15:45,34 --> 03:15:50,49 a second on that please and gentlemen again a motion to reconsider would be 2160 03:15:50,72 --> 03:15:56,45 a. To reopen debate in the debate it would be a yes vote 2161 03:15:56,46 --> 03:16:00,77 a no vote is to end debate for either all those in favor of reconsideration vote 2162 03:16:00,78 --> 03:16:07,63 yes I mean say I. All those opposed. Motion does not carry with 2163 03:16:07,64 --> 03:16:14,30 unanimous for the first time tonight in opposition. I miss my little union response 2164 03:16:14,31 --> 03:16:14,59 once in 2165 03:16:14,60 --> 03:16:21,51 a while. And I think that's what Mr Fine thanks going to 2166 03:16:21,52 --> 03:16:28,44 do. Next scheduled day. So you go there was 2167 03:16:28,45 --> 03:16:31,37 no no I know you know me and some of that would be 2168 03:16:31,38 --> 03:16:37,75 a motion to adjourn to we actually have me twenty third two thousand and seventeen 2169 03:16:37,76 --> 03:16:44,74 at seven pm. OK I asked two thousand and eighteen what I say seventeen Yes 2170 03:16:45,45 --> 03:16:50,43 and I don't hear the future. I need so May twenty third two thousand and eighteen 2171 03:16:50,44 --> 03:16:53,58 which is by the way Wednesday. And I have 2172 03:16:53,59 --> 03:16:58,80 a second on that Silesian gentlemen to adjourn I'm going to vote yes to not adjourn 2173 03:16:58,81 --> 03:17:04,10 your vote now all those in favor of adjournment say aye. All those opposed. 2174 03:17:06,03 --> 03:17:09,05 And I we got to count it I will tell you I'm taking about from Great. 2175 03:17:24,34 --> 03:17:28,91 Hi Ladies and gentlemen we have the motion to adjourn all those in favor German 2176 03:17:29,13 --> 03:17:29,75 gray cod. 2177 03:17:36,15 --> 03:17:36,65 To get you. 2178 03:17:48,86 --> 03:17:49,08 So. 2179 03:17:58,37 --> 03:18:05,34 Mr Rich Mr Basma seventeen Mr Bazley is seventeen Mr Peping Mr Pappy's 2180 03:18:05,35 --> 03:18:12,27 fourteen Mr Armstrong. Mr Armstrong is twenty five days 2181 03:18:12,28 --> 03:18:14,12 and gentlemen all those in opposition to 2182 03:18:14,13 --> 03:18:28,39 a German great times yes. Thank 2183 03:18:28,39 --> 03:18:35,06 . You. For that just yet 2184 03:18:36,04 --> 03:18:36,27 it was. 2185 03:18:43,29 --> 03:18:44,51 This one. 2186 03:18:50,88 --> 03:18:57,81 Just. Like. Mr Bassler forty six 2187 03:18:58,02 --> 03:19:04,40 Mr Basil is forty six Mr I'm capping. Mr Pappy's twenty nine I'm Mr 2188 03:19:04,41 --> 03:19:11,36 Armstrong twenty two twenty two. Motion 2189 03:19:11,37 --> 03:19:14,85 does not carry with ninety seven in opposition and fifty six in favor. 2190 03:19:21,09 --> 03:19:24,52 So lazing gentlemen the next thought of when we move to eight I am going to take 2191 03:19:24,53 --> 03:19:28,87 a brief recess for the restroom is will be moving on to Article twenty eight. 2192 03:19:54,00 --> 03:19:54,19 Go. 2193 03:20:01,39 --> 03:20:07,31 Home lol over. 2194 03:20:13,05 --> 03:20:18,30 Me think I am in contact order after I brief restroom break it is now. 2195 03:20:19,75 --> 03:20:24,01 Ten thirty five pm and calling for Mr Warren for 2196 03:20:24,02 --> 03:20:30,81 a motion for Article twenty eight. Thinking. 2197 03:20:32,06 --> 03:20:37,11 He's. The Leader. 2198 03:20:39,80 --> 03:20:44,48 You may move there. Move that the town appropriate seven hundred twenty five 2199 03:20:44,49 --> 03:20:48,81 thousand dollars to exercise the town's options under the provision of general 2200 03:20:48,82 --> 03:20:52,77 watch after sixty one and authorized the Board of Selectmen to purchase 2201 03:20:52,78 --> 03:20:57,83 a parcel of land consisting of thirty two point nine five acres more or less 2202 03:20:57,87 --> 03:20:58,50 according to 2203 03:20:58,51 --> 03:21:02,26 a plan recorded as Plan number three thirty five of one thousand nine hundred 2204 03:21:02,27 --> 03:21:06,63 ninety nine in the Plymouth County registry of deeds at Book one six one 2205 03:21:06,64 --> 03:21:12,27 a one page forty two hearing as required under General Law Chapter sixty one 2206 03:21:12,51 --> 03:21:19,41 sections change yet so that was provided however right sorry that's OK provided 2207 03:21:19,42 --> 03:21:25,10 however that any such purchase shall be one subject to an affirmative vote 2208 03:21:25,11 --> 03:21:27,61 following a public hearing as required under G.L. 2209 03:21:27,90 --> 03:21:32,75 Chapter sixty one Section eight subject to an appraisal that confirms the purchase 2210 03:21:32,76 --> 03:21:36,95 price as being the approximate value of the property and with respect to such 2211 03:21:36,96 --> 03:21:40,63 appraisal to appropriate the additional sum of five thousand dollars to fund the 2212 03:21:40,64 --> 03:21:45,03 same and subject to customary contingencies including an inspection 2213 03:21:45,04 --> 03:21:49,83 a contingency in it do we negotiated purchase and sale agreement and further that 2214 03:21:49,84 --> 03:21:55,77 the selectmen shall be authorized to assign such right to purchase to another 2215 03:21:55,78 --> 03:21:58,76 municipal municipal and duty in Kingston or 2216 03:21:58,77 --> 03:22:03,11 a qualified nonprofit conservation organization as permitted under General Law 2217 03:22:03,12 --> 03:22:08,27 Chapter sixty one and execute any and all instruments necessary to effectuate such 2218 03:22:08,28 --> 03:22:13,64 purchase and accept any and all gifts to offset the purchase price and to meet this 2219 03:22:13,65 --> 03:22:18,63 appropriation and that I'm sorry appropriation the treasurer with the approval of 2220 03:22:18,64 --> 03:22:22,29 the Board of Selectmen is authorized to borrow seven hundred twenty five thousand 2221 03:22:22,30 --> 03:22:27,02 dollars in accordance with the provisions under General watch after forty four S. 2222 03:22:27,03 --> 03:22:33,34 As seven and eight were pursuer and or pursuant to any enabling authority any 2223 03:22:33,35 --> 03:22:37,78 premium received upon the sale of any bonds or notes approved by this vote less any 2224 03:22:37,79 --> 03:22:43,65 such premium applied to the premium of the cost. Issuance of such bonds or notes 2225 03:22:43,72 --> 03:22:48,10 may be applied to the payment costs approved by this vote in accordance with 2226 03:22:48,11 --> 03:22:51,82 Chapter forty four Section twenty of the general laws thereby reducing the amount 2227 03:22:51,83 --> 03:22:55,14 authorized to be borrowed to pay such costs by 2228 03:22:55,15 --> 03:23:00,28 a like amount and then after the amendment to do said the word other after pursuant 2229 03:23:00,29 --> 03:23:05,45 to any other enabling authority except in thank you so I hearing 2230 03:23:05,46 --> 03:23:11,81 a second on that. Did the board of selectmen go. 2231 03:23:13,61 --> 03:23:18,71 OK It's like when hasn't voted Capital Planning Committee has voted on favorable 2232 03:23:18,72 --> 03:23:24,51 action three two zero. It's favorable three two zero is what I have is it. 2233 03:23:32,69 --> 03:23:36,28 OK. If you want one. 2234 03:23:40,79 --> 03:23:41,14 I haven't 2235 03:23:41,15 --> 03:23:45,96 a second on that sorry Mr Horbury and I'm you may address the motion met moderator 2236 03:23:45,97 --> 03:23:51,64 I'd like to invite our chairman Alain fury to come up and. Certainly here in 2237 03:23:51,65 --> 03:23:58,45 seventy three and get. This property of Country 2238 03:23:58,46 --> 03:24:03,00 Club way in India upon his States the train station the O'Donnell property 2239 03:24:03,25 --> 03:24:07,80 approximately fifty acres of town only and the awful periods in apostle owned by 2240 03:24:07,81 --> 03:24:12,12 the waste water department the property is considered land locked at the time would 2241 03:24:12,13 --> 03:24:18,98 have access from the awful pit the Postle owned by the waste water department. How 2242 03:24:18,99 --> 03:24:23,23 can we afford seven hundred twenty five thousand dollars for thirty two point four 2243 03:24:23,27 --> 03:24:26,05 acres of land we can afford this because it's 2244 03:24:26,06 --> 03:24:32,45 a one time expense. We don't need to pay seven hundred twenty five thousand dollars 2245 03:24:32,46 --> 03:24:35,66 each year for the next twelve years with 2246 03:24:35,67 --> 03:24:41,14 a proposed sixty four unit development one school aged child in each home for the 2247 03:24:41,15 --> 03:24:46,13 annual cost of ten thousand dollars per child we would be paying six hundred forty 2248 03:24:46,14 --> 03:24:49,74 thousand dollars each year this isn't 2249 03:24:49,75 --> 03:24:53,03 a discussion about the number of children that we live in the book that will live 2250 03:24:53,04 --> 03:24:59,03 in the proposed development but the fact that there will be expenses with each 2251 03:24:59,04 --> 03:25:04,12 school age child year after year we can buy the only and for 2252 03:25:04,13 --> 03:25:09,59 a one time expense of seven hundred twenty five thousand dollars at the Fall town 2253 03:25:09,60 --> 03:25:14,50 meeting this body voted to use eight hundred twenty thousand dollars of free cash 2254 03:25:14,83 --> 03:25:20,23 for the Grays beach project. Grants will reimburse Kingston seven hundred ninety 2255 03:25:20,24 --> 03:25:25,08 seven thousand dollars of the eight hundred twenty thousand in that money will be 2256 03:25:25,09 --> 03:25:30,47 returned to free cash if you choose to do so we could pay for the property in full 2257 03:25:30,48 --> 03:25:34,45 next year with the grant money I would recommend that though but 2258 03:25:34,46 --> 03:25:40,90 a portion of the money may make sense we can do this the Treasurer has estimated 2259 03:25:40,91 --> 03:25:45,71 a five year of being in our alone costing approximately one hundred seventy five 2260 03:25:45,72 --> 03:25:49,16 thousand dollars a year including interest if we took 2261 03:25:49,17 --> 03:25:53,91 a third of the available grant money from next spring and reduce the loan by two 2262 03:25:53,92 --> 03:25:58,31 hundred sixty five thousand the remaining balance would be four hundred sixty 2263 03:25:58,32 --> 03:26:04,03 thousand dollars plus interest again for thirty two acres of land still leaving 2264 03:26:04,04 --> 03:26:04,59 over a half 2265 03:26:04,60 --> 03:26:10,52 a million dollars of free cash to be utilized on not we can use free cash to pay 2266 03:26:10,53 --> 03:26:13,76 the debt going forward at the cost of the taxes 2267 03:26:14,36 --> 03:26:19,18 a portion of the land could be used for back up leeching fields and additional 2268 03:26:19,19 --> 03:26:23,93 leaching fields for economic development for the wastewater treatment plant not 2269 03:26:23,94 --> 03:26:30,27 a treatment plant but leeching fields the land could stay as is green open space 2270 03:26:30,79 --> 03:26:32,25 alien could stay as it is 2271 03:26:32,32 --> 03:26:37,92 a buffer for the train station. Abhi utilize for different town initiatives such as 2272 03:26:37,93 --> 03:26:43,28 solo I mentioned four ways to land could be valuable to the town you may have your 2273 03:26:43,29 --> 03:26:48,18 own reasons for supporting the purchase of this land we have this opportunity 2274 03:26:48,19 --> 03:26:52,75 because the property owner which used to sell the property in the town has first 2275 03:26:52,76 --> 03:26:59,01 right of refusal we have forty one days left June twenty seventh to complete this 2276 03:26:59,02 --> 03:27:04,21 process if we don't the developer will please support this side of the. 2277 03:27:06,34 --> 03:27:13,09 Thank you. To our Country Club 2278 03:27:13,10 --> 03:27:18,13 way it was noted on Facebook recently by one of our elected officials that the only 2279 03:27:18,14 --> 03:27:22,57 reason I care about this project is because I'm directly affected I just want to 2280 03:27:22,58 --> 03:27:23,90 for the record to say if this was 2281 03:27:23,91 --> 03:27:28,47 a tall timber zur ocean hill or McFarland farms or Gurnet woods or any of the other 2282 03:27:28,48 --> 03:27:33,63 plants subdivisions in this town my position would be exactly the same and most 2283 03:27:33,64 --> 03:27:36,86 importantly my vote would be the same so I hope that you at least listen to my 2284 03:27:36,87 --> 03:27:42,48 words and judge me on that rather than where I love I've been in town for over 2285 03:27:42,49 --> 03:27:46,53 twenty years and have grown really fond of our open space and 2286 03:27:46,54 --> 03:27:51,11 a recreational opportunities the redeveloped fields behind this building I think is 2287 03:27:51,12 --> 03:27:51,30 just 2288 03:27:51,31 --> 03:27:57,62 a testament to that. I can recall now twenty years that we've had an opportunity to 2289 03:27:57,63 --> 03:28:03,74 preserve acquire and preserve thirty three acres of virgin forest land. Land that's 2290 03:28:03,75 --> 03:28:09,86 actually the habitat for endangered wildlife and when opportunity passes it passes 2291 03:28:09,87 --> 03:28:15,72 for good and so I think for a lot of us that recent alone makes sense to spend 2292 03:28:15,76 --> 03:28:21,55 a little over one percent of our budgets to preserve our our forest lands. But I 2293 03:28:21,56 --> 03:28:26,59 understand for some of you it takes more and you know as the the sort commissioner 2294 03:28:26,60 --> 03:28:31,74 basically said is that you are leaching fields right now are fifteen years old they 2295 03:28:31,75 --> 03:28:37,98 have an estimated annual or economic life of twenty years or more and so at some 2296 03:28:37,99 --> 03:28:43,10 point we're going to need additional capacity in this area remaining is open space 2297 03:28:43,11 --> 03:28:47,78 provides that capacity and so in addition to protecting our open space in our 2298 03:28:47,79 --> 03:28:52,47 fourth when we have an opportunity to prepare our infrastructure of arts or of our 2299 03:28:52,48 --> 03:28:57,41 sources from going forward I think combining those two alone make an awful lot of 2300 03:28:57,42 --> 03:28:59,64 sense but there's 2301 03:28:59,65 --> 03:29:03,73 a developer that's been telling spokes that you know there's an alternative that 2302 03:29:03,77 --> 03:29:08,21 somehow is supposed to benefit us when as far as to say well you know if the town 2303 03:29:08,22 --> 03:29:09,65 acquires this property they're going to put 2304 03:29:09,66 --> 03:29:14,42 a wastewater treatment plant that they're not true the return is came into the 2305 03:29:14,43 --> 03:29:18,60 board of selectmen meeting and said you know if the town tries to access this 2306 03:29:18,61 --> 03:29:23,34 property Fred Tunsberg is going to sue the town for its attorney was there and said 2307 03:29:23,63 --> 03:29:27,89 Here's the letter I gave them we have no intention suing them and they said Well 2308 03:29:27,90 --> 03:29:33,12 those those litigation costs will will cripple the town and attorney Tollman 2309 03:29:33,13 --> 03:29:37,69 basically said look our agreement with the town allows us to make decisions that 2310 03:29:37,70 --> 03:29:42,17 are independent of litigation costs because our retainer covers those and he 2311 03:29:42,18 --> 03:29:43,63 basically said look if you're going to make 2312 03:29:43,64 --> 03:29:49,01 a fortune in taxes here but is the is the chairman of the Board of Selectmen points 2313 03:29:49,02 --> 03:29:49,88 out if 2314 03:29:49,89 --> 03:29:54,74 a third of those homes have two kids or more we could zero in tax revenue from that 2315 03:29:54,74 --> 03:29:59,76 . And so there are four bedroom homes I mean my wife and I didn't look for 2316 03:29:59,77 --> 03:30:02,69 a four bedroom home until we had three kids I mean I don't know 2317 03:30:02,70 --> 03:30:06,84 a lot of empty nesters are looking for three and four bedroom homes likely to be 2318 03:30:06,85 --> 03:30:11,38 families likely to have children likely to cost the town more than we're going to 2319 03:30:11,39 --> 03:30:16,68 make in tax revenue so you sort of think who's going to win with this developer is 2320 03:30:16,69 --> 03:30:21,86 going to win because it's a hugely lucrative project so much so that he can afford 2321 03:30:21,90 --> 03:30:26,57 a four hundred twenty five thousand dollars bond to Fred tons bird to basically put 2322 03:30:26,58 --> 03:30:30,84 a Band-Aid on the roads to try to get the neighbors to convince that the roads are 2323 03:30:30,85 --> 03:30:34,02 going to be fixed but that bandaids going to go on you know 2324 03:30:34,06 --> 03:30:39,52 a woman that because reconstructive surgery. We're going to end up in the same 2325 03:30:39,53 --> 03:30:44,53 place at the end of this construction bad roads based on construction vehicles that 2326 03:30:44,54 --> 03:30:49,26 are be coming up and down our roads for four years as they do construction and what 2327 03:30:49,27 --> 03:30:52,37 we're going to end up with is eighty homes on 2328 03:30:52,38 --> 03:30:58,54 a blind ninety degree corner Do we really need eighty additional homes with no 2329 03:30:58,55 --> 03:31:02,42 retail or do we want those homes by the T.V. 2330 03:31:02,43 --> 03:31:07,66 Station or do we want those homes America Donal's property I suggest that it makes 2331 03:31:07,70 --> 03:31:14,13 way more sense protect art and preserve our open space to plan for our our future 2332 03:31:14,14 --> 03:31:20,59 infrastructure and I encourage all the vote yes for this thank you Mr Wright. Thank 2333 03:31:20,60 --> 03:31:20,99 you once 2334 03:31:21,00 --> 03:31:27,99 a. Bit of banter to retreat from the faith question of 2335 03:31:28,00 --> 03:31:30,90 have is. I have 2336 03:31:30,91 --> 03:31:37,22 a problem by know when and why it was the time pay for it not the enterprise one of 2337 03:31:37,23 --> 03:31:44,15 the sort of promised. Mr. I assume you responding is so 2338 03:31:44,16 --> 03:31:48,82 commission. Correct and the opening was what is selectman going forward and 2339 03:31:48,86 --> 03:31:51,85 probably going to be so a commission a. The so 2340 03:31:51,86 --> 03:31:56,66 a custom is have paid to satisfy D.P.'s mandate to clean up the waste water 2341 03:31:57,02 --> 03:32:01,47 waterways of the town of Kingston Kingston Bay Jones' river in the streams in the 2342 03:32:01,48 --> 03:32:07,89 area anything more than that is for economic development is it the so what custom 2343 03:32:07,90 --> 03:32:12,99 is responsibility to provide economic development for the time around as I stated 2344 03:32:13,57 --> 03:32:17,93 it would be good to have backup leaching fields but this also provides an 2345 03:32:17,94 --> 03:32:22,89 opportunity for additional leaching fields for economic development down the line 2346 03:32:23,46 --> 03:32:23,73 where 2347 03:32:23,74 --> 03:32:30,06 a community we sharing costs that are beneficial to all economic development is 2348 03:32:30,07 --> 03:32:36,39 beneficial to all of us unless we want everything to be use abased if so should 2349 03:32:36,41 --> 03:32:36,99 parents pay 2350 03:32:36,100 --> 03:32:43,57 a user fee per child to use the schools with twelve hundred students in town. And 2351 03:32:43,58 --> 03:32:48,26 a school budget of twenty four million dollars That would be twenty thousand 2352 03:32:48,27 --> 03:32:53,73 dollars per child per year if you don't think it's fair for twelve hundred families 2353 03:32:53,74 --> 03:32:58,06 to pay for the school budget why would it be fear for fifteen hundred so 2354 03:32:58,07 --> 03:33:02,35 a custom is to pay seven hundred twenty five thousand dollars for the town's 2355 03:33:02,55 --> 03:33:08,68 economic development Thank you. But he wants to travel it's really not lost upon 2356 03:33:08,69 --> 03:33:14,47 second if you don't have a special reserve. And if you do how much is 2357 03:33:14,48 --> 03:33:21,10 a. Well I guess the first would be is can you I was asked I don't have an hour 2358 03:33:21,57 --> 03:33:23,90 and I got it I'm asking you to explain what 2359 03:33:23,91 --> 03:33:29,24 a reserve fund is just so that people know the difference we have money set aside 2360 03:33:29,40 --> 03:33:35,84 to pay for capital expenses in addition to the leasing fields being fifteen years 2361 03:33:35,85 --> 03:33:41,20 old the equipment is now fifteen years old so going forward we have 2362 03:33:41,21 --> 03:33:44,63 a plan outlined in approved by D.P. 2363 03:33:44,67 --> 03:33:49,03 To be spending upwards of two or three hundred thousand dollars each and every year 2364 03:33:49,04 --> 03:33:53,37 for the next five years just to maintain the fifteen year old equipment to make 2365 03:33:53,38 --> 03:33:58,86 sure that we keep maintaining it nobody hears anything about sewer problems or 2366 03:33:58,87 --> 03:34:03,95 sewage issues because they do a I was going to say that they do 2367 03:34:03,96 --> 03:34:08,09 a very good job. Of maintaining it that takes 2368 03:34:08,10 --> 03:34:12,98 a lot of hard work and effort how much money do we have in reserve approximately 2369 03:34:12,99 --> 03:34:16,77 a million dollars if you do the math to a three hundred thousand dollars 2370 03:34:16,78 --> 03:34:18,40 a year in five years that's 2371 03:34:18,41 --> 03:34:24,19 a million five. Now you keep getting money for the reserve correct George is going 2372 03:34:24,20 --> 03:34:30,47 to go through me please what are you asking next morning yes so what your next 2373 03:34:30,48 --> 03:34:34,58 question. My next question is have 2374 03:34:34,62 --> 03:34:39,80 a will do we have all the Legion Fields the leaching fields right now underneath 2375 03:34:39,81 --> 03:34:46,81 the driving range at the golf course. And how far is half from the plant. I'm 2376 03:34:46,82 --> 03:34:51,50 just curious to see if you look at any other locations all of them well it may help 2377 03:34:51,51 --> 03:34:54,97 you to know that had the driving range not been 2378 03:34:54,98 --> 03:35:00,90 a doable plan back when this the sort of the the sewer was being mapped out the 2379 03:35:00,91 --> 03:35:07,25 vision you Davis property was the second site that is why we are looking to what to 2380 03:35:07,26 --> 03:35:09,01 this as another alternative for 2381 03:35:09,02 --> 03:35:14,35 a site it had been warnings have been done there it is on its D.P. 2382 03:35:14,36 --> 03:35:19,62 Second choice for the town of Kingston's leaching fields. And so I'm just curious 2383 03:35:20,37 --> 03:35:25,30 half of the question yes OK I'm just curious because you're going on very hot on 2384 03:35:25,31 --> 03:35:28,27 the road I don't know if that's too far I don't know enough to bother but there was 2385 03:35:28,28 --> 03:35:32,25 thirty two acres of land for sale there for six hundred thousand has been on the 2386 03:35:32,26 --> 03:35:36,73 market for two years I just don't know if you guys want from closer you get 2387 03:35:36,74 --> 03:35:40,83 something follow I don't know how that would work to be able to do it but you know 2388 03:35:40,84 --> 03:35:41,89 this is it across 2389 03:35:41,90 --> 03:35:48,81 a one hundred twenty five or one second one second to think fury just the thirty. 2390 03:35:49,84 --> 03:35:55,08 Point Street property. If a sewer line passes by 2391 03:35:55,09 --> 03:36:00,12 a house mass general law that that person needs to hook up so I don't think 2392 03:36:00,13 --> 03:36:04,87 everybody between the plant extending it down Hawthorne road would appreciate the 2393 03:36:04,88 --> 03:36:11,88 fact that now you have to hook up to. The closer field is the better it is for 2394 03:36:11,89 --> 03:36:18,21 maintenance and and upkeep. Just cos just you know 2395 03:36:18,62 --> 03:36:19,49 putting a pipe down 2396 03:36:19,50 --> 03:36:27,45 a road is not inexpensive. OK. Jeanne 2397 03:36:27,46 --> 03:36:34,35 Calment twenty Helen's plane motion to call the question please. All 2398 03:36:34,36 --> 03:36:34,80 right I have 2399 03:36:34,81 --> 03:36:40,01 a motion to move the question that's being seconded Hazan John and all those in 2400 03:36:40,02 --> 03:36:46,81 favor of moving the question say I. All those opposed. Motion 2401 03:36:46,82 --> 03:36:53,72 carries the majority of. Just everybody No This requires 2402 03:36:53,73 --> 03:36:57,35 a two thirds of right. So 2403 03:36:57,66 --> 03:37:04,65 a motion on Article twenty eight. All those in favor says I. All those 2404 03:37:04,66 --> 03:37:11,14 opposed. Ways and gentlemen. I'm going to motion 2405 03:37:11,15 --> 03:37:16,01 carries with a two thirds vote. Playing 2406 03:37:16,21 --> 03:37:23,11 a game on. A two thirds vote to play a. Clip by the moderator on 2407 03:37:23,12 --> 03:37:26,38 a voice. Motion to reconsider. 2408 03:37:30,88 --> 03:37:32,58 Motion to reconsider. 2409 03:37:38,32 --> 03:37:42,93 Particle twenty that been seconded again ladies and gentlemen 2410 03:37:42,97 --> 03:37:49,51 a motion to reconsider would be to reopen debate and discuss it again and further 2411 03:37:50,42 --> 03:37:55,19 a no vote would be to end debate for. All those in favor of 2412 03:37:55,20 --> 03:38:01,73 a motion to reconsider say I. All those opposed. Motion does not caring 2413 03:38:02,25 --> 03:38:02,79 and I did make 2414 03:38:02,80 --> 03:38:09,67 a motion to close the meeting. We just. Get out of 2415 03:38:09,68 --> 03:38:13,60 here. One second we had 2416 03:38:13,61 --> 03:38:17,92 a motion to adjourn Mr Kimmie I amend that to say 2417 03:38:17,93 --> 03:38:24,14 a motion to adjourn until May twenty third two thousand and eighteen at seven pm at 2418 03:38:24,15 --> 03:38:30,39 the Kingston intermediate school. You accept that amendment Yes Thank you Dr 2419 03:38:30,40 --> 03:38:33,52 a second on that motion to adjourn. I have 2420 03:38:33,53 --> 03:38:36,71 a second on that Mazen John in all those in favor of 2421 03:38:36,72 --> 03:38:43,14 a German say-I. All those opposed. Moshing carries with the majority. 2422 03:38:53,97 --> 03:38:54,70 Group. 2423 03:39:01,10 --> 03:39:03,77 Home on. 2424 03:39:25,64 --> 03:39:26,32 The Go. 2425 03:39:32,76 --> 03:39:35,43 Home on.