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Poster: brewster Date: Feb 25, 2018 8:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Deep Elem Blues


Found a couple of 78rpm versions of Deep Elem Blues that are great, and then found the Dead did it, and acoustic. Gosh I love this:

Dead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx1LqnIJLj8

2 very different versions:
https://archive.org/details/78_deep-elem-blues_shelton-brothers-bob-and-joe-b-shelton-j-shelton_gbia0027631b

https://archive.org/details/78_deep-elem-blues_dick-stabile-and-his-orchestra-billy-wilson-b-shelton-j-shelton_gbia0029354b

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Poster: Vermoontains Date: Mar 7, 2018 2:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deep Elem Blues

I saw Deadco do it in Dallas in December and I liked it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVZXt55dZs4

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Poster: wlg3 Date: Feb 26, 2018 6:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deep Elem Blues

It goes back even further, past the Sheltons:

https://archive.org/details/Georgia_Crackers-Georgia_Black_Bottom




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Poster: brewster Date: Feb 26, 2018 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deep Elem Blues


Thank you! that song is apparently from 1927 (according to the re-release record album notes it is apparently from).

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Feb 27, 2018 1:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deep Elem Blues

I owe you this much (and more), Brewster, so I won't be 'shutting my trap' today. I've always said, "taping is taking direct action." It's rebellious. It's definitely political. I was caught taping shows twice in the early '70s, and there's lots of consequences for that. Also political, whether or not, and how to publish, release, and share your recordings.

Which brings me to my comment for you. I don't have DeadBase. I'm not able to rake through the Deep Elem tracks and compare. But I do recommend Grateful Dead acoustic set at Fillmore East on Sept 20, 1970. Deep Elem (track 2) is sung beautifully by Jerry and it's played with David Nelson on mandolin. Billy is drumming. Phil plays electric bass. Jerry and Bobby are playing acoustic. As far as I'm concerned, this show ranks the GD into Newgrass music superstardom.

As for this mix, I defer to Bear. In Bear's very lengthy 1991 interview with David Gans, when asked, Bear describes how he mixed and taped the band in the early years. He discusses the Fillmore East setup, mixer, and taping there. In his description, the mix he uses is very separated. And that's exactly the way these tapes sound, and, in my mind, why that is.

As for this recording, check out the Notes section in this lineage's version of the same show: "This is a restored version of shind: 97364; MR > R (Buddy Miller)" So, if I'm reading/intrepreting things correctly, this means Buddy Miller was taping from the SBD in the broom closet. I only heard about him taping the April 1971 shows like that. So, when I first played these 1970 tapes just a couple of months ago, I noticed this stuff and almost came outta my shoes. Admittedly, I've been chomping at the bit to say so. And, if I'm wrong, so what.

My 1975 tapes of Vassar Clements's Hillbilly Jazz band have Deep Elem Blues played on both nights. Sorry I bent the LMA rules 10 years ago by putting these out there, Brewster. You did say you liked Deep Elem. At my suggestion, a guy at Lossless Legs recently sent a note to Vassar Clements's music asking for permission. Hope it helps us rest at ease.

This post was modified by Monte B Cowboy on 2018-02-27 21:17:03

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Poster: CarrionCrow Date: Feb 28, 2018 10:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deep Elem Blues

Excellent of you to call out and link us to the fabulous acoustic set of 9-20-70. Deep elem of course is one of the best versions for what you highlight about the added players. Also, that is Jerry on the piano in To Lay Me Down and him on pedal steel in the haunting Together Again. Anyway I rank this higher than Harpur which like 9-20-70 pairs an great acoustic set with a mind blowing electric set. These were the infamous “Evenings With The Grateful Dead” bill graham branded shows that I saw most of - including this show.

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Feb 28, 2018 12:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deep Elem Blues

Earl Powell is the one who pointed out to me that Buddy Miller was credited for taping GD in 70-71. I didn't get "it". I only knew about 71. Earl also pointed out Buddy's magazine interview in April, 2012.
Cowboy &Indians magazine: What about those styles of music — blues, bluegrass, and country — spoke to you? You could have just as easily gone into rock-and-roll.

Buddy Miller: I did, too. Everybody liked The Beatles, and I was way into the Grateful Dead, too, who actually turned a lot of people onto country music through the back door. And I would go see them play at the Fillmore; then we’d go to a bluegrass festival in Culpeper [Virginia], and I went to Woodstock. Everything was good music. I didn’t think about putting it into bins.
I've always said how GD impacted me hugely and then I converted to cowboy. So, there "it" is: Buddy and I exactly agree about GD's cowboy effect.

It certainly affected both of us. I launched my electronics career on this basis. Then electronics gigs were deleted from our continent. Buddy's interview has been deleted. His tapes live on. And so should this history, imo. Thanks to Brewster and IA's Wayback Machine for capturing Buddy's interview. I've linked to it. Follow the link below.

I've undeleted our GD cowboy roots. Want to know how/why I taped Vassar's Hillbilly Jazz band playing two Deep Elems? It was a GD-influenced hippie-cowboy sequence of accidents-on-purpose. Or, as I like to put "it" (and my lifestyle): happy-go-lucky!

I've documented everything I just said — https://archive.org/post/1068378/one-thing-we-need-is-a-left-handed-fiddle-player

...except for the "electronics gigs deleted" part. Using my 'trailgrub' handle, I've documented our electronics outsourcing history in The Intercept's comment section — https://theintercept.com/2018/02/25/conservatives-public-sector-unions-janus/?commentId=8518cb87-27a9-4390-9cc2-83a9283f7ac9

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Poster: pdm59 Date: Feb 27, 2018 5:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deep Elem Blues

Monte,
Always fun to hear your thoughts. Yourself and a strong contingent of others here entertain, educate and share the existential river that is The Dead! It seems that there will be no end to discovery of everything the Dead brings and gives to the human condition.
Everyone at this forum shares. This passes down to acquaintances, offspring, anyone who can access the web.
I imagine that Dead is playing 24 hours a day across our planet and I have no idea when that may stop.
Thanks to all, and thanks to the Grateful Dead for happening.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Feb 26, 2018 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deep Elem Blues

Lately I've been thinking about these songs - like this, Cold Rain & Snow, Minglewood Blues, Don't Ease Me In - the songs they took all the way from the jug band and morphed into rock'n'roll barn-burners, played on some of the world's largest stages. That in itself is pretty remarkable

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Feb 25, 2018 10:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deep Elem Blues

Very nice !