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Poster: picfixer Date: Jan 11, 2019 5:00pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Does Archive.org archive or does it destroy?

Good question, Moongleam. Another good question is why hasn't admin replied to your posts on this issue?

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jan 12, 2019 10:23pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Does Archive.org archive or does it destroy?

It is possible, although unlikely, that the uploader of each of these asked for the take-down. It's now too late to determine whether all of these were uploaded by the same person.

Here's another possibility. When the Archive discovers that a user has uploaded numerous copyrighted films, they indiscriminately delete everything that he has uploaded without checking copyright status. This, of course, could result in the removal of public domain movies.

Here's another question. When someone claims to be the "copyright holder" of an item on the Archive and demands its removal, does the Archive attempt to determine whether the item is under copyright? Or do they unquestioningly take the item down?

For example, would each of the following be taken down at the demand of a "copyright holder"?

The film Detour (1945)
The film Behind Green Lights (1946)
The book Moby Dick by Herman Melville
The book Oliver Twist by Charles Dickens

Are the people at the Archive completely devoid of any ability or desire to determine whether an item is in the public domain?

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Jan 14, 2019 8:13pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Does Archive.org archive or does it destroy?

I do understand your frustration. I would think that the Archive staff takes most of the copyright claims at face value, as they've said, they have no real copyright experts or lawyers on staff. I've seen instances where items are taken down for seemingly arbitrary reasons, and tend not to respond to queries as to why. I can only tell you what I think is likely, because I've asked similar question and gotten no response.

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jan 18, 2019 2:58am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Does Archive.org archive or does it destroy?

The "copyright holder" of a work released in the U.S. before 1964 ought to be required to show the copyright renewal and to show where that renewal can be found and verified.

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Poster: picfixer Date: Jan 18, 2019 11:22am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Does Archive.org archive or does it destroy?

Bravo, Moongleam!

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jan 18, 2019 2:51am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Does Archive.org archive or does it destroy?

In other words:

Each of the following would be taken down at the demand of a "copyright holder".

The film Detour (1945)
The film Behind Green Lights (1946)
The book Moby Dick by Herman Melville
The book Oliver Twist by Charles Dickens

The people at the Archive are completely devoid of any ability or desire to determine whether an item is in the public domain.

Any work at the Archive may be destroyed at any time without any explanation.

All works at the Archive may be destroyed tomorrow without any explanation.

Nobody ought to trust that the Archive will archive and preserve anything.

Archive.org ought to be renamed Annihilate.org.


This post was modified by Moongleam on 2019-01-18 10:51:50