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Poster: robcat2075 Date: Nov 4, 2007 11:16pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Thief of Bagdad Organ Score

I'm rather sure that's a modern performance by Gaylord Carter. There's no way that's PD.

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Poster: RadioFreePeru Date: Nov 5, 2007 4:57am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Thief of Bagdad Organ Score

No notice= no copyright.
While I have not conducted an analysis of the organ score, the film was capped exactly as broadcast on TV, frame to frame. The only copyright reference is the original one from when the film was first made. When "added" or "modern" materials THAT ARE UNDER COPYRIGHT are used, the broadcaster is obliged to include notice thereof, if no notice, no copyright.
Nor do the "subtitles" bear a copyright notice, for the simple reason that they are added by the Argentine station to English language movies at a hceap cheap price and are often inaccurate and of low quality, for which reason neither the station nor the provder wants to take the credit.

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Poster: robcat2075 Date: Nov 5, 2007 11:08am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Thief of Bagdad Organ Score

All of those arguments are false.

Failing to include a copyright notice when rebroadcasting someone else's work does not cause the whole work to fall into the public domain. If that were true I could take any movie, snip out the copyright notice, broadcast it and say "it's public domain!" Obviously absurd.

Adding poor quality subtitles without a copyright notice will not cause the work to fall into the public domain either.

This is merely a broadcast of Kino's restoration DVD which included the copyrighted organ performance of Gaylord Carter. A copy of that broadcast will not be legitimately public domain.
The uploading of copyrighted works like this endangers the mission of the Archive which is to make available genuinely PD movies.

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Poster: jonc Date: Nov 5, 2007 7:50pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Thief of Bagdad Organ Score

In fact producers were obligated to provide a copyright notice for many years. Failure to oblige voided any copyright claims. This was the law as recently as 1992, and many films have gone PD that way.

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Poster: robcat2075 Date: Nov 5, 2007 10:42pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Thief of Bagdad Organ Score

This version by Kino *was* properly released with a copyright notice for the music . Rent the VHS or DVD and it will be there, fulfilling its legal obligation.

There is no basis for claiming that the soundtrack falls into PD because a South American television station (who is not the copyright holder) broadcasts it and omits the copyright notice for the music while doing so.

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Poster: Plan 9 Date: Nov 6, 2007 2:20am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Thief of Bagdad Organ Score

robcat, such a copyright notice would be present on the disc or cassette, would it not?
If so, couldn't you prove your point by renting it, scanning it, and then uploading the scan here for everyone to see?

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Poster: robcat2075 Date: Nov 14, 2007 8:31pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Thief of Bagdad Organ Score

Yes it's possible, although I've rented the movie previously and don't need to see it again. Kino has also replaced the Gaylord Carter version of the film in their catalog with one with a score by the Monte Alto Orchestra. So obtaining it for this debate would probably mean locating a particular DVD on the used market. Just to prove something that is pretty obvious already.

The fact that Kino sells a new version doesn't mean the previous version's score has become PD, however.